#indieweb 2017-01-09

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GWG Does anyone keep their Youtube or Netflix watching history?
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tantek GWG, good q. I wonder if there are documented ways to export or get a realtime feed
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tantek what is youtube
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Loqi YouTube is a video hosting silo that has known issues https://indieweb.org/youtube
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GWG Youtube I believe does have a watch history in their API
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tantek GWG did we come up with a term for a post saying you watched a video?
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tantek a viewing?
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tantek what is a viewing?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "viewing" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek apparently not
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GWG We used Watch, similar to Listen
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tantek watching is /watch
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tantek viewing is /watch
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Loqi ok
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tantek what is netflix?
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Loqi Netflix is a subscription service for on-demand streaming video https://indieweb.org/Netflix
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miklb git commit -m "good enough
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miklb now to finish configuring the server and flip the switch
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@andrewsreading ✌ @Reading "The IndieWeb community has it nailed: #selfdogfood" http://ing.am/p/4z25 (twitter.com/_/status/818305088678662145)
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miklb GWG are you familiar with this plugin? https://beau.blog/2017/01/social-importer-upgrade/
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GWG petermolnar I think used to use Keyring Social Importer.
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GWG I would have made people users myself.
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miklb I haven't looked at it yet, just came across that update post. Still finishing configuring new server. Just switched IP address on A record
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miklb that was a fail. Try again in am.
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voxpelli !tell KartikPrabhu Regarding showing "from Twitter" – was toying with https://indieweb.org/h-x-app and such to try and get "from Twitter via Brid.gy" to give Brid.gy some visibility and cred
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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KartikPrabhu i show "via Bridgy" on replies, but it isn't markedup in anyway
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@IndieWebCampDE Der erste Homebrew Website Club des Jahres findet übermorgen, am 11.1.2017, u.a. in Nürnberg statt. Schau vorbei! https://indieweb.org/events/2017-01-11-homebrew-website-club (twitter.com/_/status/818374154386898946)
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@jkphl First Homebrew Website Club 2017 is happening on Wednesday. Drop by — let's bring it on! https://indieweb.org/events/2017-01-11-homebrew-website-club (twitter.com/_/status/818374498588233728)
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Loqi [indieweb] "Chris, as an #indieweb end user I've never been able to work out how to do what you've done here - i.e. "like" a post" by Rob Fairhead on 2017-01-08 http://www.raretrack.uk/2017/chris-as-an-indieweb-end-user-ive-never-been-able
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Loqi [indieweb] "Interroger nos pratiques de publication en ligne" by Antoine on 2017-01-09 https://www.quaternum.net//2017/01/06/interroger-nos-pratiques-de-publication-en-ligne/
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petermolnar !tell miklb https://wordpress.org/plugins/keyring-social-importers/ - this is a semi-official automattic plugin written by an employee
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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@jezdez Not sure I’m missing something about #indieweb software projects, almost all seem to be single-developer-projects, except Wordpress I guess? (twitter.com/_/status/818392250090721280)
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@petermolnar @jezdez #indieweb is a collection of solutions aiming for the same goal by many people. Join to talk at https://chat.indieweb.org/2017-01-09%23bottom (twitter.com/_/status/818394254842195968)
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jezdez petermolnar: already here :)
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petermolnar oh, hey
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jezdez hello!
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petermolnar so, what makes you think this is a single/small number of devs project? :)
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jezdez I should clarify that I don't think indieweb itself is that
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jezdez but I meant the software projects that people have written for their websites that are documented on the indieweb wiki
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jezdez wordpress and known seem to the exceptions
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jezdez *be
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petermolnar the truth is most probably that people with specific/personal solutions are lazy to write docs
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petermolnar eg. I've recently moved from wordpress, but I'm yet to document that on the wiki
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jezdez yeah, documentation is certainly part of it
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jezdez FTR, I've maintained many OSS projects and worry that if I start to use some of the those indieweb projects for my own site that it'll be harder to maintain the site in the long run
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jezdez so I guess my question is: where are the serious (read: maintained, documented, tested, financially supported) indieweb projects?
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petermolnar there is no such thing
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petermolnar we have tools to verify our setup
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petermolnar such as https://webmention.rocks/
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cweiske it seems jezdez wants a turn-key solution that's still supported in 2050
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cweiske jezdez, nobody will gurantee you support for something in the long run, unless a company is behind it that makes money
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jezdez petermolnar: okay, that makes sense. forgive my question, I'm new to this and want to figure out how war the indie in indieweb goes basically :)
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jezdez cweiske: right, I guess that's what I'm asking then
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cweiske known is trying to make money, and wordpress is, too
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cweiske but the indieweb plugins for wordpress are maintained by volunteers, so there is no gurantee either
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petermolnar wordpress is mainly maintained by volunteers
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petermolnar there is automattic with money behind it, somewhat
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petermolnar but it's still mainly driven by volunteers
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cweiske the only hope you may have that enough people use something so that there will always be updates
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jezdez makes sense, and I'm no stranger to this either, being a django core developer
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cweiske petermolnar, I can't imagine that volunteers are steering the wp-as-api-with-js-frontend road
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jezdez cweiske: petermolnar: understood, and that makes sense
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petermolnar unfortunately, the js part I can :/
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petermolnar anyway, I'm fairly certain webmentions and such won't be around in 10-15 years
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jezdez what's the reception of the micro.blog kickstarter?
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jezdez is this at least partially overlapping with indieweb projects?
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petermolnar it's already founded from what I see, and yes, if implementing indieweb-friendly methods is overlap, then it does
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jezdez ok, we'll see how it goes :)
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jezdez anyways, thanks for answering those questions
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petermolnar jezdez there is something you need to understand about indieweb: this is not a monolithic project, not even a monolithic idea
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petermolnar there is http://indieweb.org/principles
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petermolnar which kind of describes the basics
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jezdez yep, and I love them
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petermolnar but deep down, it's like Perl: there is always more way to do something
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jezdez heh
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petermolnar you are right about a few people being the pulling force when it comes to reference implementations and w3c drafts
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petermolnar but many of those ideas are outcomes of indiewebcamps
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jezdez ah, that seems sensible though, writing specs in a big group of people is messy
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jezdez petermolnar: where did you move from wordpress to if I may ask?
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petermolnar I wrote a static generator
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cweiske petermolnar, paging is broken: https://petermolnar.net/
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cweiske links to https://page/2
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jezdez ah :)
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petermolnar eh
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petermolnar thanks cweiske
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petermolnar relative urls, be damned
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cweiske Jeena, https://petermolnar.net/going-static
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petermolnar jezdez https://petermolnar.net/going-static
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petermolnar lol
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cweiske wrong completion :/
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jezdez petermolnar: yay py3k!
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jezdez I was about to ask how you handle webmentions
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cweiske I've got a separate project that handles webmentions and pingbacks and currently simply sends me an e-mail, https://github.com/cweiske/stapibas
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cweiske but one thing I want to implement this year is moderation and reply display
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petermolnar I've found webmentiontools python lib
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petermolnar and extended it a bit
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petermolnar https://github.com/petermolnar/webmention-tools
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petermolnar but for sending, the unmodified is perfect as well
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petermolnar I only extended it for parsing
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petermolnar as for identifying what to send: I regex all urls and maintain a csv where the key is based on source + target + time hash
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Jeena still shure an interesting article ;)
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petermolnar for receiving I merely forward them to email for now
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petermolnar I'm planning to add comments support, the format and the old data is there, but I'll need to implement it
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petermolnar cweiske thanks for the pagination error report, fixed now
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cweiske wishes for a "that's maybe like your opinion" emoji on github
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petermolnar careful, that will call for things like 'works for me emoji'
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cweiske .. which makes sense for github.
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petermolnar this is becoming offtopic
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petermolnar but still, it's a need, just like HTTP 7xx was https://github.com/joho/7XX-rfc
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aaronpk petermolnar: https://chat.indieweb.org/2017-01-09/1483956121624000 what makes you say that?
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Loqi [petermolnar] anyway, I'm fairly certain webmentions and such won't be around in 10-15 years
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petermolnar something will superseed it
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petermolnar just like webmention superseeded pingback & the rest
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petermolnar which took approximately 10-15 years
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aaronpk Im hoping it's more like HTTP, which has slowly evolved and even HTTP2 uses the same stuff from HTTP
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tantek I think there is a good chance of that aaronpk, but it still depends on the two interdependent pieces of (1) wide adoption of Webmention (e.g. by most current/past Pingback impls), and (2) similarly Vouch
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GWG In fifteen years, a lot can happen.
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GWG tantek, by the way, accessing that YouTube and Netflix Watch History data appears to have been taken away.
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Jeena has someone implemented something like a Photo-Story datatype on their website where you can have 2-10 pictures together on one page which tell a story? Not really like a album, a bit different.
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tantek hey Jeena!
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tantek Jeena, yes, I believe acegiak had a post like that a while ago
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Jeena I'd be interested to see how they implemented it with design, etc. that is btw something no silo I'm using offers. They all jus offer albums or automatically generated stories which don't really work like I would expect
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petermolnar Jeena in technical terms how would it be different from a gallery?
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Jeena I'd say no thumbnails
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tantek there was a discussion about what makes a photo album and what doesn't
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tantek Jeena - could you confirm location for HWC Göteborg this week?
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tantek (thumbnails or not could be a difference in using responsive images, e.g. for bandwidth)
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Jeena oh is it this week already? Hm I need to check if it's not too late
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tantek yes!
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tantek :D
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aaronpk is that different from just a blog post that contains only photos?
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tantek we never really resolved it
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tantek but I think there was an aspect of overall narrative that we used to distinguish the two (article with lots of photos, vs. album)
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Jeena aaronpk, it might be technically
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Jeena but then every picture can't be liked, commented, etc.
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tantek precisely
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tantek Jeena, but that doesn't address the article vs. album distinction
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aaronpk i meant jeena's thing, not an album
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tantek aaronpk, or a /collection at that
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petermolnar a story for me sounds like /collection
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aaronpk interestingly, my implementation of albums is part of my implementation of collections, just presented slightly differently
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petermolnar a 'gallery' or 'album', imho, would be a single entity, but a collection or a story would be an entity contructed of multiple, pre-posted other entities; am I mistaken?
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Jeena mh I have the feeling that a story connects the photos much tighter together, a album is just a collection of pictures from the same event or something
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aaronpk petermolnar: my albums are a collection of photos where each photo also has its own URL (like flickr)
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aaronpk hm i really need a good interface for creating albums and adding photos to them. i'm trying to think about how to upload these pictures right now and it'll be super manual right now
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aaronpk files that away for #100days
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tantek Jeena, please see if you can determine re: HWC Göteborg in the next couple of hours
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Jeena yes
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tantek thank you!
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[terminalpixel] Yeah a nice way of posting albums would be awesome. Is there currently a standard way of assembling them? I am currently just using categories
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aaronpk [terminalpixel]: i tend to use flickr as my canonical example of handling photos and albums well
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[terminalpixel] Sorry I mean with regards to micropub. Each photo should be a photo post and then an album is a collection of these posts?
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tantek what is a photo album?
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Loqi A photo album is another name for a collection of photos https://indieweb.org/photo-album
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aaronpk ah, i haven't heard of anyone trying that with micropub yet but I plan to experiment soon :)
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[terminalpixel] Cool. I made a very very simple client a while ago that worked for me http://photopostr.tpxl.io
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aaronpk oh very cool
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aaronpk do you have an example of an album you posted with that? add it to https://indieweb.org/photo-album!
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[terminalpixel] Will do. Just need to fix the frontend of my site first :stuck_out_tongue:
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loicm Hi there. I was wondering what you were thinking of http://micro.blog
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aaronpk manton has stopped by here a couple times! seems like he's off to a good start!
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aaronpk what is micro.blog?
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Loqi micro.blog is an Indie Microblogging platform started by Manton Reece, with plans to support Webmention and Micropub https://indieweb.org/micro.blog
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cweiske https://chat.indieweb.org/2017-01-09#t1483956128028000
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Loqi [jezdez] what's the reception of the micro.blog kickstarter?
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aaronpk https://indiechat.search.cweiske.de/?q=micro.blog
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cweiske aaronpk, chat line detail pages should really show context
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aaronpk yeah that's harder with my new file-based logs
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cweiske aaronpk, you don't use file-based logs
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cweiske you always think you are, but the code does not
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cweiske and please close https://github.com/indieweb/chat.indieweb.org/issues/13
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aaronpk it's halfway done right now
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pfefferle good morning
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snarfed morning pfefferle!
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snarfed did you get much farther with wordpress-github-sync? what do you think?
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pfefferle snarfed not really, but thanks for the inderect tip ;)
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pfefferle indirect
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pfefferle snarfed have you tested it?
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snarfed not yet, but i'm thinking about it
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pfefferle I like the idea of forking posts, but doesn't want to switch to jekyll completely
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petermolnar pfefferle this is how I started out and ended up writing my static generator :D
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snarfed pfefferle: if you just want forking, there's https://wordpress.org/plugins/post-forking/
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pfefferle petermolnar too few spare time ;)
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cweiske does someone have a "fix a typo" button on their website?
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pfefferle <snarfed> but that is only for registered users I think... I played around with that plugin a couple of month ago...
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cweiske typo fixes are edits, see https://indieweb.org/edit
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KevinMarks I take pull requests on mine, and have linked to github for it sometimes
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cweiske I'd like to have a dedicated micropub client for typo fixes. It should allow you to select text on a page and a text box to input fixes
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cweiske and then create an edit on the micropub server
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snarfed cweiske++
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KevinMarks Example https://github.com/kevinmarks/kevin-marks.com/commit/a984bc9036e8e44599a4c6826b7cedf318c0827d
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pfefferle cweiske and how will you handle requests from unknown users?
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KevinMarks Jeena:a photo story would be something like the Buzzfeed editor encourages?
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cweiske pfefferle, they would select commentpara.de as their homepage
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cweiske just as they will have to do when I ever implement the comment box on my blog
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Jeena I have no idea what a Buzzfeed editor is
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pfefferle cweiske not that usable for a "normal" user
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cweiske pfefferle, depends on the UI
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cweiske if the "fix typo" form has a "my homepage" field, then that's ok in my eyes
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pfefferle cweiske but you have to also implement some kind of a review/merging process for anonymous users nevertheless
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cweiske the micropub client would then check if the user has a micropub endpoint, and when not, then automatically use commentpara.de
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cweiske sure
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cweiske but you have to do that for known users, too
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pfefferle do you? I think most of the current implementations will save the changes directly if it is a known user...
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cweiske what current implementations?
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Jeena KevinMarks, the ui could be really different from implementation to implementation, could be a slide-show, or you could scroll, or perhaps fullscreen pictures where you on your own go to the next one, or even all pictured aligned as one big picture
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KevinMarks The buzzfeed site has a post editor that encourages the photo+discussion style
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pfefferle <cweiske> the wordpress plugin
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KevinMarks https://www.buzzfeed.com/eleanorbate/the-golden-stones example form their homepage
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Jeena yeah, could be like that, but for me the text isn't essential but a nice to have
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KartikPrabhu Jeena: does this count as a photo-story: https://kartikprabhu.com/articles/mahabaleshwar-panchgani ?
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Loqi [Kartik Prabhu] Mahabaleshwar & Panchgani
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Jeena it's quite long but I'd say yes
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KartikPrabhu i just author it in HTML
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Jeena it's difficult to do that on a mobile phone or automatically from your DSLR camera
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KartikPrabhu automatically posting is not very easy
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KartikPrabhu but I understand what you mean
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Jeena I like the third row of pictures on that page, it tells a nice story, first someone waits until the kitchen opens because he is hungry, then the cooks open the kitchen and prepare everything and in the last picture they prepare food for the guy in the first picture and sell it to him
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KartikPrabhu Jeena: those are all taken on different days and are not the same person ;) so that "story" is certainly not true :P
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Jeena doesn't matter ;)
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Jeena but the guy in the two kitchen pictures is the same
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Jeena and it's the same kitchen
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KartikPrabhu here's another example: https://kartikprabhu.com/articles/occupy-chicago
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Loqi [Kartik Prabhu] Occupy Chicago
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@jkphl @calum_ryan currently planning an "IndieWeb week" around that. Of course you're welcome to join both! (twitter.com/_/status/818506356735049731)
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tantek good morning #indieweb!
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aaronpk good morning!
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Loqi morning!
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aaronpk is almost done with his project for today!
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tantek Jeena++ woohoo HWC Göteborg!
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Loqi jeena has 37 karma in this channel (44 overall)
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tantek adactio++ woohoo HWC Brighton 2017!
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tantek looks live 5 confirmed in-person HWC this week, and LA is organizing the "virtual" HWC right?
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@100daysindieweb Day 20: Instagram Support for XRay #100DaysOfIndieWeb: https://aaronparecki.com/2017/01/09/4/day-20-instagram-for-xray (twitter.com/_/status/818509039466254338)
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aaronpk and so it begins
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tantek wat
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tantek aaronpk++ neat! also it is possible to shorten those .jpg URLs - see my copy photo post from IG bookmarklet for details :) https://indieweb.org/Instagram#Single_Photo_Bookmarklet
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Loqi aaronpk has 451 karma in this channel (1173 overall)
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aaronpk ooh
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tantek I like to think I helped :)
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aaronpk that'd be nice. i kind of assumed the cachekey thing was required but i forgot that you hotlink instagram urls all the time
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tantek trackers--
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snarfed Jeena et al, here's another photo story example: https://snarfed.org/2012-07-02_sailing_the_greek_cyclades
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Loqi [Ryan Barrett] Sailing the Greek Cyclades
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snarfed source: https://github.com/snarfed/snarfed.org/blob/master/2012-07-02_sailing_the_greek_cyclades.txt
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@raretrack My #indieweb journey continues: migrated my Google Contacts to #ownCloud - sync to my phone via @davdroidapp #goodbyegoogle #ownyourdata :) (twitter.com/_/status/818516652127965184)
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Loqi [indieweb] "My #indieweb journey continues: migrated my Google Contacts to #ownCloud - sync to my phone via @davdroidapp #goodbyegoogle #ownyourdata :)" by Rob Fairhead on 2017-01-09 http://raretrack.uk/2017/my-indieweb-journey-continues-migrated-my-google-contacts-to-owncloud
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tantek I'm doing a (first) annual txt message purge from my primary mobile device. reviewing oldest threads first, capturing anything relevant elsewhere (e.g. photos), and then deleting
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tantek Does anyone else do this kind of explicit data deletion / retention process for themselves? (nevermind their webservers and access logs, user logs etc.)
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tantek another aspect of ownyourdata IMO
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snarfed tantek: sounds deliberate, ie different from just backups?
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tantek snarfed, yes, specifically, the purging aspect, specifically on devices you carry with you, to minimize exposure
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singpolyma tantek: I have my SMS go through a service that emails me all of them, so they get archived with my email archive
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tantek singpolyma how often do you delete your SMS from your mobile device then?
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tantek if they're all backed up elsewhere anyway
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singpolyma Well, never explicitly. They're probably all in the logs on my chat app unless it removes old stuff
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raretrack i don't retain SMS for more than a few days, nor email once no reason to keep
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tantek raretrack, do you then purge every week regularly? or just habitually every few days?
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raretrack habitually really, no specific schedule but probably works out weekly, often something I do whilst stuck on my train commute. I think some of this comes from my usage of David Allen's Getting Things Done / Inbox Zero principles
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tantek that makes sense
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gRegorLove What is photo story?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "photo story" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek gRegorLove: are you working on posting something like a photo story to your site?
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tantek (vis-a-vis IG stories?)
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tantek (or are we talking about two different things)
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chrisaldrich Good morning!
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chrisaldrich Does IndieWeb (or anyone in it) have a history with Dave Winer? I suspect he could be a helpful force. In this Twitter thread he indicates he thinks one of the [world's] problems is "lack of organization and education" which is something I think that IndieWeb is actually trying to do. https://twitter.com/davewiner/status/817408935221227520
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@davewiner We're worse than stuck. Twitter hasn't moved in a decade. Google owned then abandoned RSS readers. Facebook smothered linking. (twitter.com/_/status/817408935221227520)
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chrisaldrich Could be a nice opening for some outreach, especially if someone knows him.
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gRegorLove tantek: I asked because there's been several mentions of the term in chat today
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tantek ChrisAldrich, you may want to ask benwerd about that, I think he has some background
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tantek gRegorLove: except that term "photo story" was not AFAIK in today's chat before you asked, and it actually means something quite different in the way Instagram (and Snapchat?) popularized it
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chrisaldrich Thanks tantek.
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gRegorLove Yes it has
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tantek anyway, I'd hesitate to define it (or see it defined) to mean something other than the popularized meaning, I think that would be counter-productive
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gRegorLove Thus why I asked, wasn't sure what was meant exactly.
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aaronpk pretty sure "photo story" has had a meaning way before instagram/snapchat
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tantek if it has it has been surpassed / overwritten
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aaronpk o.O there was a microsoft application from 2006? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photo_Story
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Loqi Microsoft Photo Story
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raretrack wasn't it some sort of microsoft photo software aeons ago?
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tantek yes I'm sure the words "photo" and "story" were combined in the past - that's not to say that the trend of Snapchat "stories" and now Instagram "story" haven't taken over
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aaronpk i think those are called "Snapchat Stories" and "Instagram Stories"
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aaronpk https://www.lifewire.com/what-is-a-snapchat-story-3486000
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aaronpk http://blog.instagram.com/post/148348940287/160802-stories
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aaronpk "photo story" is a journalism thing
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snarfed ChrisAldrich: https://indiechat.search.cweiske.de/?q=winer&sort=score , https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?search=winer :P
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snarfed1 aaronpk just fyi S3 is 403ing your site's wm avatars right now
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aaronpk all of them?
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snarfed1 (often happens when the S3 key doesn't exist)
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aaronpk shoot i know what's going on
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aaronpk i mixed up jpg/jpeg
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snarfed1 ugh
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aaronpk i was trying to switch to writing the files as jpg instead of jpeg and i think it's broken for images it's already stored before...
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cweiske re stories: see https://indieweb.org/site-deaths#Lumia_Storyteller
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tantek what is storytlr?
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Loqi Storytlr is an open-source lifestreaming platform https://indieweb.org/Storytlr
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tantek and that ^^^
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aaronpk thx snarfed, fixed
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@joelpurra @aaronpk Will consider #indieauth, but negatively angled "why not #openid" info had (has) me thinking otherwise https://indieweb.org/OpenID (twitter.com/_/status/818533528094855168)
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gRegorLove What is lifestreaming?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "lifestreaming" yet. Would you like to create it?
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@jkphl @calum_ryan exactly do you want to go from DUS to NUE? We might even have an "IndieWeb bus" option (not sure yet) (twitter.com/_/status/818534494638669829)
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tantek should we move OpenID Shutdowns to its own page since it has grown so much?
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aaronpk i think we can probably rephrase the "why not openid" stuff too, cause openid is essentially dead, i don't think anyone would even consider using it for a new project anymore
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aaronpk that's very different from 6 years ago (!) when we first made that page
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tantek right, I'm more curious as to why anyone would get offended
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tantek "ad (has) me thinking otherwise"
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aaronpk guess we can add this to the openid shutdowns too https://twitter.com/joelpurra/status/818478406375473153
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@joelpurra My "openid.delegate" host xlogon dot net seems to be down. Are there any alternatives I can delegate http://joelpurra.com to? #openid (twitter.com/_/status/818478406375473153)
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tantek ok I'll leave the tab open and do some cleanup
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aaronpk even openid dropped openid. they're all aboard the OAuth 2 train now
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Loqi [indieweb] "Aaron is autolinking #indieweb comments now, including hashtags, which is giving me #technorati flashbacks" by Kevin Marks on 2017-01-05 http://known.kevinmarks.com/2017/aaron-is-autolinking-indieweb-comments-now-including-hashtags-which-is
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Loqi [indieweb] "The over eager retro smilies in Yaaic are always amusing #indieweb" by Kevin Marks on 2017-01-06 http://known.kevinmarks.com/2017/the-over-eager-retro-smilies-in-yaaic-are-always-amusing
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Loqi [indieweb] "“it’s clear that the broken system is ad-driven media on the internet. It simply doesn’t serve people” @ev https://blog.medium.com/renewing-mediums-focus-98f374a960be #indieweb" by Kevin Marks on 2017-01-04 http://known.kevinmarks.com/2017/its-clear-that-the-broken-system-is-ad-driven-media-on
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Loqi [indieweb] "Homebrew Website Club San Francisco 2017-01-11" by Kevin Marks on 2016-12-30 http://known.kevinmarks.com/2016/homebrew-website-club-san-francisco-2017-01-11
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Loqi [indieweb] "Introducing Shortcut | This American Life" by Chris Aldrich on 2017-01-09 http://boffosocko.com/2017/01/09/introducing-shortcut-this-american-life/
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@calum_ryan @jkphl yes, anytime after Btconf. Liking the sound of an IndieWeb bus! ..though going on the ICE? might be quicker/more laptop friendly.. (twitter.com/_/status/818539707655221254)
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aaronpk Apparently I need to update ownyourgram and X-ray to ask for Instagram' "wide color" image URLs https://engineering.instagram.com/bringing-wide-color-to-instagram-5a5481802d7d#.og36053ye
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tantek good afternoon #indieweb
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tantek what is wide color?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "wide color" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek what is Display P3?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Display P3" yet. Would you like to create it?
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aaronpk Wide color is a term used to describe images with a color range greater than the typical range of color represented by most older cameras and displays.
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Loqi ok
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aaronpk Thats all I could think of without adding more jargon
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tantek "older"? even "current" right?
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@gregorywolanski The only email hosting company I trust: https://www.fastmail.com/?STKI=15369506 #trust #email #indieweb #security https://twitter.com/gregorywolanski/status/818578913567850496/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/818578913567850496)
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tantek what is sRGB?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "sRGB" yet. Would you like to create it?
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aaronpk iphone supports wide color, not sure which model that was added
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tantek 7
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aaronpk orly... but I can see the canary image in my 6s
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tantek per first sentence of https://engineering.instagram.com/bringing-wide-color-to-instagram-5a5481802d7d
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tantek hmm
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aaronpk Ah the *camera* in the 7
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aaronpk Apparently the displays have been wide color for longer
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tantek and now I'm bringing this up in W3C CSS
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tantek since CSS colors are all sRGB
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tantek good thing we have a f2f meeting W-F this week!
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voxpelli That Instagram post finally had me dig into https://webkit.org/blog/6682/improving-color-on-the-web/ and get somewhat less confused about color profiles
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tantek what is a color profile?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "color profile" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek (from a user point of view)
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voxpelli tantek: I guess you are aware of the CSS suggestions from that post btw
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tantek voxpelli: any in particular you think are relevant?
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voxpelli tantek: color(p3 1.0 0 0) to define color in a specific color profile using real floats rather than legacy 8 bit values
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voxpelli My understanding of a color profile is that it's what used to translate the value of each rgb channel into an actual visual representation – that the rgb channels are always relative to the color profile
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voxpelli f00 is always maximum red, but maximum red is different depending on color profile
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Loqi [indieweb] "Virtual Homebrew Website Club Meetup | January 11, 2016" by Chris Aldrich on 2017-01-09 http://stream.boffosocko.com/2017/virtual-homebrew-website-club-meetup-january-11-2016
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tantek adds wide color to the CSS WG f2f agenda
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KevinMarks Safari has has colour profile support for ages - I remember making images that looked different in safari and Firefox/Chrome
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tantek KevinMarks: yes and years before Safari, IE5/Mac did
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KevinMarks Right. But both were with profiles embedded in images AFAIK
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tantek voxpelli: would you believe the spec for DCI P3 is not free? nor what Apple means by "Display P3". sigh
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tantek https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/294
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tantek (not sure if that should go #indieweb-dev or offtopic #Indiechat)
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tantek Is anyone posting photos take on an iPhone 7 device and worried (caring) about wide color?
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myfreeweb oh wide color… my desktop monitor and my nexus 5x are both 10bit
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myfreeweb the weirdest thing for me: in gaming discussions people say that HDR monitors don't exist yet, only TVs are starting to appear. so like, 10-bit is wide, but it's not HDR o_0
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GWG Evening all
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