#indieweb 2017-01-08

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Loqi [indieweb] "My new social media POSSE" by Kris Shaffer on 2017-01-07 http://boffosocko.com/2017/01/07/my-new-social-media-posse/
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sensiblemn I posted my crypto key fingerprints on a static page on my Known site today: https://freekurt.com/pages/fingerprints
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rhiaro Zegnat: re: facebook photo tagging - some people don't want their face/name connection made known to facebook itself. Possibly futile, but that can motivate untagging
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KartikPrabhu I do that too
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KartikPrabhu untag myself
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Loqi [indieweb] "Day 18 - Maple and Spruce" on 2017-01-08
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aaronpk aw no link?
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aaronpk i don't even know what part of that chain is failing
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aaronpk superfeedr isn't finding whatever it calls a "permalink" in my atom feed which is generated by granary
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aaronpk anyway here's the link https://aaronparecki.com/2017/01/07/14/day18
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Loqi [Aaron Parecki] Day 18 - Maple and Spruce https://aaronparecki.com/2017/01/07/14/photo.jpg
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tantek what is untag?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "untag" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek what is person-tag?
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Loqi A person tag (AKA people tag) is a person mention that is also a tag on a post that refers to a specific person by URL rather than just a word or phrase, and is done as an explicit tag by the user, beyond just mentioning a person via hyperlink / h-card / or @-name https://indieweb.org/person-tag
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miklb out of curiosity, has anyone built a h-card as a service? Bunch of input fields and then spit out the markup?
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aaronpk for v1 yeah http://microformats.org/code/hcard/creator
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miklb interesting. forking that and doing an mf2 version would make a good IWC project
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gRegorLove I can't seem to find the exact setting now, but I'm pretty sure I have it so people can't tag me on FB. Maybe it's just that it asks for approval first.
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gRegorLove photo tags, that is
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miklb gRegorLove I have that. Won't show up in my timeline until I approve the tag
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miklb maybe al tags actually
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gRegorLove What is h-card as a service?
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Loqi h-card as a service is a prototype web service replacement for wiki profile pages and irc-people https://indieweb.org/h-card_as_a_service
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gRegorLove shaners was asking if anyone wanted to take that over ^^
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@CaptainKurtis @kevinmarks correct. I misspoke. I really think you'd enjoy @indiewebcamp a lot tho @aral. Very prescient movement! http://Indieweb.org (twitter.com/_/status/817971630223802369)
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Loqi [indieweb] "I’ve discovered a spectacular tool for owning my own bookmarks and replacing Pocket and InstaPaper!" by Chris Aldrich on 2016-12-17 http://boffosocko.com/2016/12/17/ive-discovered-a-spectacular-tool-for-owning-my-own-bookmarks-and-replacing-pocket-and-instapaper/
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Loqi [indieweb] "Homebrew Website Club Los Angeles notes, December 28, 2016" by Chris Aldrich on 2016-12-29 http://boffosocko.com/2016/12/28/homebrew-website-club-los-angeles-notes-december-28-2016/
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Loqi [indieweb] "RSS Feeds: A Follow up on My IndieWeb Commitment 2017" by Chris Aldrich on 2016-12-19 http://boffosocko.com/2016/12/18/rss-feeds-a-follow-up-on-my-indieweb-commitment-2017/
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Loqi [indieweb] "PressForward as an IndieWeb WordPress-based RSS Feed Reader & Pocket/Instapaper Replacement" by Chris Aldrich on 2016-12-31 http://boffosocko.com/2016/12/31/pressforward-as-an-indieweb-wordpress-based-rss-feed-reader-pocketinstapaper-replacement/
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Loqi [indieweb] "How to Own & Display Your Twitter Archive on Your Website in Under 10 Minutes" by Chris Aldrich on 2016-12-05 http://boffosocko.com/2016/12/05/how-to-own-display-your-twitter-archive-on-your-website-in-under-10-minutes/
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Loqi [indieweb] "I Love Webmentions" by Chris Aldrich on 2016-11-28 http://boffosocko.com/2016/11/28/i-love-webmentions/
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Loqi [indieweb] "My IndieWeb Commitment 2017" by Chris Aldrich on 2016-12-10 http://boffosocko.com/2016/12/10/my-indieweb-commitment-2017/
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Loqi [indieweb] "First owned like from Flickr" by Chris Aldrich on 2016-11-02 http://boffosocko.com/2016/11/02/first-owned-like-from-flickr/
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Loqi [indieweb] "Notes, Highlights, and Marginalia: From E-books to Online" by Chris Aldrich on 2016-10-24 http://boffosocko.com/2016/10/24/notes-highlights-and-marginalia/
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Loqi [indieweb] "Notes from Day 2 of Dodging the Memory Hole: Saving Online News | Friday, October 14, 2016" by Chris Aldrich on 2016-10-15 http://boffosocko.com/2016/10/15/notes-from-day-2-of-dodging-the-memory-hole-saving-online-news-friday-october-14-2016/
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Loqi [indieweb] "How many social media related accounts can one person have on the web?!" by Chris Aldrich on 2016-10-18 http://boffosocko.com/2016/10/17/how-many-social-media-related-accounts-can-one-person-have-on-the-web/
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Loqi [indieweb] "Notes from Day 1 of Dodging the Memory Hole: Saving Online News | Thursday, October 13, 2016" by Chris Aldrich on 2016-10-14 http://boffosocko.com/2016/10/13/notes-from-day-1-of-dodging-the-memory-hole-saving-online-news-thursday-october-13-2016/
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Loqi [indieweb] "Homebrew Website Club — Los Angeles" by Chris Aldrich on 2016-09-22 http://boffosocko.com/2016/09/22/homebrew-website-club-los-angeles-09-21-16/
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gRegorLove Whoa
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bupkes gosh
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chrisaldrich What was that?!
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Loqi That! (or "that ^" or "that ^^^") is a rarely seen reply often emphasizing agreement with a This post, but sometimes[1] merely emphasizing agreement with a previous reply https://indieweb.org/that
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gRegorLove Haha
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Loqi hahaha
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bupkes weird. seems to have stopped now.
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gRegorLove Websub pings I guess, but not sure why
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Zegnat rhiaro, the only way I can see for you not wanting Facebook to know what you look like would be to petition the poster and/or facebook to remove the actual photograph. Untagging (which only happens after you are already tagged!) feels very futile. KartikPrabhu, what is your reason for untagging yourself from photographs?
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KartikPrabhu I don't like photos of myself
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KartikPrabhu :)
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Zegnat gRegorLove, miklb, I do that too. I review tags. But hiding something from my timeline or from “Photos of [name]” does not remove the actual tag, so has no impact for the original tagger.
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Zegnat KartikPrabhu, I guess that’s as good a reason as any. So if I ever want to add tags to an IWC photograph, if we ever meet, I’ll have to do that outside of Facebook or risk losing your name. (That would be an example where I don’t like that Facebook removes tags I added to photographs.)
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KartikPrabhu I am known to make exceptions, it is not a steadfast rule
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Zegnat I guess Facebook sees tags as a way for bringing in the other person and share the photograph with the other person’s audience. While I see the tags as a way of remembering names, like writing names on the back of printed photographs.
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KartikPrabhu yeah, I also don't like that bit. My photo at some event/place getting shared with my entire "audience"
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@loopdouble @bsuichies Agree - but indieweb idea is for listening and convo too (perhaps 'notes' not best word) - just decentralized rather than siloed. (twitter.com/_/status/818030389935669248)
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voxpelli hmm, I'm moving from http to https – I just updated my Atom feed to point to correct place while maintaining old <id>-tags
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voxpelli But: Wonder what I should do about u-uid
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voxpelli Those will change from http to https and thus everyone who doesn't do any normalization to treat http and https as the same will think of the posts as new ones :/
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@ChrisAldrich @realkimhansen @kevinmarks May need to dust off my signal processing skills and do something about that to add to http://indieweb.org/podcast (twitter.com/_/status/818047019235340288)
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voxpelli I guess I'll just go ahead and do the move – no notes on /https, /h-entry or on the Microformats /h-entry about how one would deal with a http to https move in regards to keeping the same uid:s
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Zegnat The URL changes, and as per permalinks, that kinda means you have moved the post (created a new one, removed the old one)
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Zegnat It is one of the problems with your URL being the unique identifier
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voxpelli Zegnat: yeah, though h-entries typically always have their URL as their uid – I solved it for the Atom items
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Zegnat I had a non-URL p-uid for about a week, I might go back to that
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voxpelli doesn't feel verynice eitehr though :/
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voxpelli then again – I now many who ignore uid:s completely because such hidden metadata can just as well accidentally hide actual changes as it can accidentally show as an actual change
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voxpelli as a client one should probably never solely rely on it but just see it as one data point among many that one can use to deduplicate posts
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petermolnar you could do scheme-less url for uuid
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Zegnat Can you use URLs if you want something like IPFS?
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Zegnat Well, I am stepping out, time to start the trip back to the Netherlands
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voxpelli petermolnar: wouldn't u-uid resolve the schema-lessness to something with a schema?
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voxpelli I guess most people would resolve any u-* to an absolute URL
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voxpelli which would make a schema-less url less unique than one with a schema
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@clacke @marcoarment Is your microblog free software with optional paid hosting, like wordpress? Is it IndieWeb -- basically Known but for micro? (twitter.com/_/status/818070124515069952)
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petermolnar Zegnat in theory, one could use filesystem-like relative urls for ipfs
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KevinMarks If the http 301s to the https, isn't that showing that they moved?
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aaronpk only if you fetch it
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KevinMarks Right, but that would imply not changing the old ones, just the new ones
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voxpelli For individual posts it won't be a problem, the h-feeds are the issue, unless they fetch each post and dedupe or dedupe independent of schemes, they will now have received duplicates
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aaronpk is KevinMarks suggesting not changing the uid on the old posts?
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aaronpk keep uid as http on the old posts and only set it to https for the new ones?
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KevinMarks That's what I was thinking - then if they're handling 301 right they will replace the http version with the https one
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voxpelli Yeah, though that would be quite complex, to have posts at different dates be linked to different base urls in the h-feed
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aaronpk sounds like a database problem
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voxpelli I have no database :P I have Jekyll
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voxpelli So all just files and Liquid templates
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aaronpk s/database/data store/
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aaronpk add a property "uid" into the storage file so you aren't building it dynamically?
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voxpelli well, embedding domains into the data store is typically something I avoid and something mostly eg WordPress does
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aaronpk true but this is a great example of why it's sometimes necessary
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voxpelli I'm more inclined to tell people using the uid to disregard the protocol of any uid :/
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aaronpk what happens when you actually move your whole site to a new domain tho?
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voxpelli I intend to never do that
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aaronpk store the protocol in the post file so you can write just that part dynamically?
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voxpelli I guess it will also depend on the deduce mechanism of clients – as I also moved my feed to https and how it will dedupe across different feeds etc
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voxpelli s/deduce/dedupe/
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voxpelli What is dedupe?
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Loqi https://indieweb.org/dedupe
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voxpelli That wasn't indie reader deduplication, that was Webmentions deduping :/ Somewhat similar, yet not totally
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voxpelli Would be great to have a write up on what Woodwind etc does
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voxpelli I only know what Bloglovin did, and that I can't share
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@egoexpress @jkphl Wie ist denn der #HWC-Terminstatus für Nürnberg? Laut https://indieweb.org/Events ist ab 11.1. jede Woche ein Treffen. :) (twitter.com/_/status/818152110252433409)
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aaronpk snarfed: have you updated bridgy for the new twitter api counting stuff?
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aaronpk i'm seeing abbreviated text coming from bridgy
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aaronpk oh i guess it's only truncating the display text inside the <a> tag
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snarfed aaronpk: gory details in https://github.com/snarfed/granary/issues/89 . let me know if you're seeing something wrong
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aaronpk thx
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aaronpk i just updated Loqi's tweet expansion here
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@voxpelli @kejsarmakten Redan många inom https://indieweb.org/ som interagerar mellan flertalet olika implementationer –… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/818174409370431497 (twitter.com/_/status/818174409370431497)
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@voxpelli @kejsarmakten Crosspost löses genom https://indieweb.org/POSSE och tjänster såsom https://brid.gy/ (twitter.com/_/status/818174805266616324)
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@voxpelli @kejsarmakten Största indieweb-plattformen är @withknown – som WordPress fast för sociala webben (twitter.com/_/status/818175172628905985)
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@wpclickpop PressForward as an IndieWeb WordPress-based RSS Feed Reader & #wordpress,#plugin,#wpplugin, http://boffosocko.com/2016/12/31/pressforward-as-an-indieweb-wordpress-based-rss-feed-reader-pocketinstapaper-replacement/ https://twitter.com/wpclickpop/status/818184231671230465/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/818184231671230465)
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GWG Bah
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Loqi [indieweb] "@clacke, I think @marcoarment was refering to @manton2's effort here https://marco.org/2017/01/07/indie-microblogging-kickstarter; it does sound like @withknown w/ a reader-first perspective and using IndieWeb principles [http://indieweb.org]." by Chris Aldrich on 2017-01-08 http://stream.boffosocko.com/2017/clacke-i-think-marcoarment-was-refering-to-manton2s-effort-here
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@raretrack @sebastiangreger Reading this belatedly! Do you think @withknown #Known bookmarks do a similar thing? e.g. https://raretrack.uk/2017/takeaways-from-indiewebcamp-brighton-2016-sebastian-greger #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/818199553946120192)
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@mathpunk @evemassacre @claudiakincaid Concepts/readings that inspire me: http://indieweb.org/POSSE https://medium.com/@jkriss/anti-capitalist-human-scale-software-and-why-it-matters-5936a372b9d%23.3y6d2muyc https://medium.com/@jkriss/human-scale-technology-75da763eb03%23.fcsawys9b (twitter.com/_/status/818201178223702016)
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Loqi [indieweb] "Chris, as an #indieweb end user I've never been able to work out how to do what you've done here - i.e. "like" a post" by Rob Fairhead on 2017-01-08 http://raretrack.uk/2017/chris-as-an-indieweb-end-user-ive-never-been-able
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Loqi [indieweb] "Takeaways from IndieWebCamp Brighton 2016 // Sebastian Greger" by Rob Fairhead on 2017-01-08 https://sebastiangreger.net/2016/09/takeaways-indiewebcamp-brighton-2016/
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KartikPrabhu is the like-UI not obvious on Known? ^
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KartikPrabhu what is likes?
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Loqi likes are sometimes part of the information about a post displayed on the post itself, sometimes in a post footer, like a total number like responses, icons of recent likers, or even a datetime ordered list of likes https://indieweb.org/likes
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KartikPrabhu are likes markedup as "p-comment" too?
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gRegorLove Working on backcompat parsing fixes for php-mf2 is ... tricky
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Loqi [indieweb] "Rob, there's a plugin for that! You can find a bunch of extensions in http://docs.withknown.com/en/latest/plugins/community/ For likes and reposts, you'll want Kyle Mahan's "Reactions" plugin. Once that's" by Chris Aldrich on 2017-01-08 http://stream.boffosocko.com/2017/rob-theres-a-plugin-for-that-you-can-find-a
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chrisaldrich KartikPrabhu: Known doesn't have "likes" built into core, it's a plugin
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GWG Afternoon all
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KartikPrabhu yeah just realised that from your reply
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KartikPrabhu seriously Loqi, y u no +v me?
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Loqi http://meme.loqi.me/m/4mEPqH6w.jpg
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chrisaldrich Howdy GWG. Saw your disappointment earlier when your WordPress sense went off only to realize it was a retweet.
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KartikPrabhu lol
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GWG ChrisAldrich: It wasn't that.
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chrisaldrich So it was that it was a post by me??? ;p
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GWG It was the volume of retweets on something I'd already seen.
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chrisaldrich KartikPrabhu, I just realized you had a huge volume of QM work in addition to your indieweb work. Can't wait to read some of it over the coming year.
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GWG It's more the.. "Oh, a new Indieweb comment...Darn, I've seen this one 8 times already"
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KartikPrabhu QM?
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chrisaldrich quantum mechanics
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KartikPrabhu I barely have quantum mechanics work :) physics yes but all calssical
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chrisaldrich or was that the "other" KartikPrabhu? I saw it was all physics, but thought I saw a few QM-related pieces in there when I bookmarked it on arXiv
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snarfed gRegorLove: how's php-mf2's test suite?
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KartikPrabhu ChrisAldrich: you can find my stuff here: https://kartikprabhu.com/papers
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KartikPrabhu linked to the arxiv
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KartikPrabhu oh yeah there is some quantum stuff with collaborators
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gRegorLove snarfed: We just merged (but not yet released) https://github.com/microformats/tests so it's using the same test suite as Node and Python versions
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chrisaldrich alright, back to removing holiday decorations for another hour...
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snarfed gRegorLove++ awesome!
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Loqi gregorlove has 74 karma in this channel (97 overall)
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gRegorLove They all pretty much fail, but I think a lot of them are minor things, like php-mf2 puts the "T" separator in times but the test suite doesn't expect it.
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gRegorLove Working on some php-mf2 backlog, then on making more of those tests pass.
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gRegorLove All of the internal php-mf2 tests (202 of them) pass though
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snarfed testing++
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Loqi testing has 18 karma in this channel (20 overall)
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KartikPrabhu does anyone show the "origin" of a like on their posts? As in "XYZ liked on Twitter"
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KartikPrabhu what is likes?
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Loqi likes are sometimes part of the information about a post displayed on the post itself, sometimes in a post footer, like a total number like responses, icons of recent likers, or even a datetime ordered list of likes https://indieweb.org/likes
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aaronpk is that like when you PESOS a like?
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aaronpk or like something that is a twitter post?
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KartikPrabhu or backfed from Twitter etc...
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aaronpk oh showing likes of my posts?
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KartikPrabhu yeah
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aaronpk I used to show a twitter/facebook/instagram icon overlayed on the profile photo
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KartikPrabhu hmm
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aaronpk i show mine in a facepile though so I don't even have text like "so and so liked a post"
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aaronpk i think snarfed.org shows that though
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aaronpk yeah "via facebook.com"
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KartikPrabhu ok will look
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GWG aaronpk: snarfed uses the Semantic Linkbacks plugin. I think he does some custom CSS though
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snarfed yup
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GWG snarfed: pfefferle and I could never quite agree on what to do to improve display on that. We both agree what the elements are, but not how to implement.
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gRegorLove I used to show "liked this on twitter"
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gRegorLove Same layout as a comment. Took too much space.
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gRegorLove For a while I also tried to group comments + likes from the same person: https://indieweb.org/User:Gregorlove.com/webmention#Display_Concepts
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aaronpk oh interesting
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GWG The WordPress problem is more multifaceted in doing that.
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KartikPrabhu also currently I link "likes, mentions and reposts" to the person's profile/site. I don't like that for some reason
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snarfed new year, time to update bridgy stats. pretty proud of the optimizations and cost reduction over the last year: https://snarfed.org/cost_vs_users.png
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@JavaScriptJJ @jbjohansson working on @indiescripter's new #indieweb website https://twitter.com/JavaScriptJJ/status/818235391387910144/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/818235391387910144)
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KartikPrabhu snarfed++ nice work
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aaronpk snarfed++ nice
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Loqi snarfed has 247 karma in this channel (251 overall)
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aaronpk what is a like?
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aaronpk what is likes
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Loqi likes are sometimes part of the information about a post displayed on the post itself, sometimes in a post footer, like a total number like responses, icons of recent likers, or even a datetime ordered list of likes https://indieweb.org/likes
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aaronpk time to decide whether i want to show the contents of things I "like"" as well as "repost"
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aaronpk i like having the full contents appear on my site, and it's also a way of "backing up" the things that I like
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@100daysindieweb Day 19: Automatically fetching reposted content #100DaysOfIndieWeb: https://aaronparecki.com/2017/01/08/7/day-19-reposts (twitter.com/_/status/818238274384707584)
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GWG aaronpk: You make me want to work on my version of x-ray again.
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miklb evening
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GWG Evening
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@JavaScriptJJ . @jbjohansson working on @indiescripter's new #indieweb website https://twitter.com/JavaScriptJJ/status/818243497668931584/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/818243497668931584)
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@JavaScriptJJ . @jbjohansson working on @indiescripter's new #indieweb website https://twitter.com/JavaScriptJJ/status/818245436276293632/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/818245436276293632)