#indieweb 2017-01-07

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myfreeweb someone posted them on gist, if you paste them into twidere you can get polls and stuff on it
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tantek hah
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tantek also, does anyone know if micro.blog supports micropub? per: https://twitter.com/manton2/status/817469924645961728
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@manton2 @keithjgrant @davatron5000 It supports a couple APIs, and some blogging apps will already work with it for posting. Hoping to see many apps. (twitter.com/_/status/817469924645961728)
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miklb tantek he's working on it. I think he said it already supports xml-rpc
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tantek *shudder*
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tantek miklb, xml-rpc is no-go because of the password anti-pattern
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tantek (i.e. xml-rpc is pre-oauth, NO ONE should be implementing it, client or server)
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tantek (it teaches users bad habits)
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tantek what is xmlrpc
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Loqi XML-RPC is a verbose use of XML to make API calls with HTTP https://indieweb.org/xmlrpc
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myfreeweb i don't think micro.blog is available to anyone yet? kickstarter page says they will send out invites after the kickstarter ends
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miklb maybe to tap into the MarsEdit user base
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tantek that dfn needs more heat
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miklb that may be well and good, but WP still supports it
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tantek out of the box?
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tantek even on an http-only site?
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tantek that seems like a serious footgun
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miklb I think now you have to flip an option
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tantek off by default is ok
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tantek what is MarsEdit?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "MarsEdit" yet. Would you like to create it?
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miklb MarsEdit is a Mac desktop app for blogging, specifically supporting posting to your WordPress blog.
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Loqi ok
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tantek miklb is there a github repo where we can make feature requests for MarsEdit?
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tantek e.g. Micropub support?
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miklb no. It's a paid app and Danial Jalkut has said he uses Mercurial. Pretty sure closed source
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miklb s/Danial/Daniel/
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miklb He and Manton do a podcast together, which is why I make that assumption
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gRegorLove what is micro.blog?
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Loqi micro.blog is an Indie Microblogging platform started by Manton Reece, with plans to support Webmention and Micropub https://indieweb.org/micro.blog
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tantek miklb small world
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tantek what's the name of the podcast?
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miklb that I do not recall, I'm not.really a podcast listener, just have read about it for a long time.
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miklb http://www.coreint.org
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gRegorLove "XML-RPC functionality is turned on by default since WordPress 3.5." https://codex.wordpress.org/XML-RPC_Support
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gRegorLove Though some codex pages are notoriously out of date
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tantek ugh wow
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tantek that's kinda messed up
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gRegorLove https://premium.wpmudev.org/blog/xml-rpc-wordpress/
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miklb ah, it's on by default because of Jetpack
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gRegorLove Thanks for bringing it up. Need to make sure it's off on a friend's site.
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gRegorLove Thought it basically means no more app for posting, huh? That stinks.
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tantek no, have them install the micropub plugin
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tantek what is xmlrpc?
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Loqi XML-RPC is an outdated (superseded by Micropub) verbose use of XML to make API calls with HTTP that enables and implicitly encourages using your actual username and password (instead of OAuth) with client software, thus overprivileging that software, as well as possibly transmitting your password in the clear over HTTP https://indieweb.org/xmlrpc
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tantek that's better
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tantek gRegorLove: perhaps consider documenting how you turn it off here: https://indieweb.org/XML-RPC#How_to_disable
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gRegorLove GWG: Is there any way to use the WordPress mobile app with micropub?
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tantek what is freemyoauth
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Loqi Free My OAuth is a page designed to help you find who has access to your accounts on various silos https://indieweb.org/FreeMyOAuth
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tantek OAuth << [[FreeMyOAuth]]
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Loqi ok, I added "[[FreeMyOAuth]]" to the "See Also" section of /OAuth
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miklb that will probably go away at some point as the REST API gets more adoption
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aaronpk ah right they're switching to their own api
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miklb there's already a desktop app that uses the API https://github.com/Automattic/wp-desktop but since it requires Jetpack, it probably still relies on xml-rpc ?
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miklb jetpack to integrate with your self hosted WP site if I read correctly
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gRegorLove Yeah, saw mention of a Restful plugin on the stackoverflow link I added ot /XML-RPC
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[manton] I think I've mentioned to Daniel Jalkut before that he should add Micropub support to MarsEdit. Not sure whether it's on his roadmap or not yet, though. Would be great to see, I agree.
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Loqi [manton]: mblaney left you a message 3 days, 1 hour ago: I've shoe-horned websub into my rssCloud implementation, you're right that they are very similar. let me know if you're looking for inspiration.
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tantek manton! welcome!
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[manton] Hello! (Mostly been lurking but going to do a better job of participating now.)
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tantek your efforts are heroic. thank you for everything you do.
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[manton] Oh wow, thank you. Likewise. I'm a big fan of what everyone is doing here.
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snarfed [manton]++
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tantek manton++
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Loqi manton has 3 karma
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bear [manton]++
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Loqi manton has 4 karma
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tantek snarfed, I think you put a " " in front ;)
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KartikPrabhu snarfed-- for the boo boo
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snarfed wow tough crowd
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aaronpk lol
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tantek hahaha use of " " for the subkarma
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Loqi nice
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GWG I go away for a little while and miss a WordPress talk
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miklb more like a subtle WP bash
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[manton] To reiterate what was said above... Yeah, I started with XML-RPC but Micropub should be there before it rolls out to Kickstarter backers. I'll try to steer users (and developers) to Micropub.
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aaronpk that'd be awesome
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aaronpk and i'm always here if you have micropub questions!
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KartikPrabhu [manton]: any reason you started with xmlrpc? was it easier to get rolling?
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GWG miklb, isn't that many of those talks?
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miklb snickers
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GWG I am not unaware of the criticisms of WordPress
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[manton] aaronpk Thanks! (And thanks to @mblaney too since I missed that earlier message.)
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GWG milkb: How is your conversion going?
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[manton] @KartikPrabhu Right, I was just more familiar with XML-RPC at the time. I think I wrote that initial code a year ago and may not even have known about Micropub yet. Plus I personally wanted MarsEdit support since I usually use it for blogging on the Mac.
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miklb GWG I got mired in my own personal bike shed, so took a break. Going to try and do some work on it tonight/tomorrow and just flip the switch and fix broken stuff as it comes.
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GWG miklb, I am excited for you.
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miklb thanks! I've all but stopped using the Jekyll site, so just need to do it. But I've also been thinking about how I wanted to present my content for a long time, so it's been an internal battle.
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miklb but I am looking forward to being another IndieWeb WP site
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tantek miklb great! you'll be among friends and supporters here to be sure.
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tantek both GWG and snarfed are excellent examples and have quite different setups too.
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GWG Tantek, the more the merrier
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tantek GWG, seriously, and the more, the greater the chance we shake-out some of the usability / onboarding issues
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tantek would really love to see "Indiewebify your WordPress" become as simple as (simpler than) the "WordPress install"
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GWG Tantek, slow progress
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tantek GWG, we are patient and persistent
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GWG Yes
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miklb GWG if you are going to be around later, may or may not have questions. bbiab
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GWG I will likely
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miklb cheers then
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tantek what is 100daysofindieweb
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Loqi 100DaysOfIndieWeb is a challenge to ship something IndieWeb-related for 100 days https://indieweb.org/100DaysOfIndieWeb
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miklb GWG are there permalinks for the taxonomies? I think I read there were you mentioned it. /kind/note, etc?
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GWG miklb: Yes. /kind/note works.
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miklb thanks
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KevinMarks_ The example here seems almost micropub https://medium.com/@davidcelis/give-it-a-rest-use-graphql-for-your-apis-40a2761e6336#.nhncy8ox7
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aaronpk That's a pretty good summary of GraphQL
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aaronpk nb: the reason micropub works the way it does is because I'm not a fan of REST API design either
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arush @Loqi re: looking for a way out of Twitter: Yes, because I hate Twitter's UX, I hate the fact that their APIs are closing instead of opening, the blindness-specific third-party clients are substandard to say the least partly as a result of the closing APIs, and finally, following Twitter threads is a nightmare when you have to click through the UI provided by the Twitter website.
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sebsel bridgy++ it auto-@-mentions other users but not when you reply to yourself :D
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Loqi bridgy has 46 karma in this channel (52 overall)
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@m_ott @jkphl Hi Joschi! Ist das noch das aktuellste was Webmentions für Typo3 angeht? Oder kennst Du noch was anderes? https://docs.typo3.org/typo3cms/extensions/indieweb/Index.html (twitter.com/_/status/817718318790537216)
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Loqi [indieweb] "ThinkUp 1.0 and Software With Purpose - Anil Dash" by Offray Luna on 2017-01-07 http://anildash.com/2011/11/thinkup-1.0.html
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Loqi [indieweb] "ThinkUp Archives and Analyzes Your Social Media Life | Smarterware" by Offray Luna on 2017-01-07 http://smarterware.org/2011/11/thinkup-archives-and-analyzes-your-social-media-life/
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@TerminalPixel Day 006 of #100DaysOfCode: Improved my #indieweb micropub chatbot client so it requests your endpoint and token https://flowxo.com/share/bxbg7m4v (twitter.com/_/status/817739293817008128)
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voxpelli Good morning everyone!
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GWG Morning voxpelli
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[scottgruber] Morning from LA. I saw a TBD for an LA home brew mtg. Is a location set? I'd like to join for some writing time. Thx
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sebsel mtg like Magic The Gathering?
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sebsel what is hwc?
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Loqi Homebrew Website Club is a bi-weekly meetup of people passionate about or interested in creating, improving, building, designing their own website, in the same structure as the classic Homebrew Computer Club meetings https://indieweb.org/hwc
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sebsel Another Homebrew thing :)
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aaronpk (ping ChrisAldrich)
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Loqi [indieweb] "Homebrew Website Club PDX" on 2017-01-07 http://calagator.org/events/1250471294
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Loqi Homebrew Website Club PDX on Wednesday, Jan 25, 5:30pm at Velo Cult Bike Shop
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Zegnat sebsel, mtg as in “meeting” I expect
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sebsel oh sorry, trying to be helpful
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Zegnat though HWC MtG would be interesting
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sebsel I'm installing stuff on my Mac with homebrew now, so I have a third homebrew there too.
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[scottgruber] Thx aaronpk
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[scottgruber] I'm brewing coffee. :coffee: real coffee :grinning:
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@scott_gruber @ChrisAldrich Is a location for this month @IndieWebcamp LA homebrew meeting. I’d Iike to join and do some writing. Day time I’m at UCLA. (twitter.com/_/status/817768120169340928)
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[scottgruber] sebsel: thx! Made my morning.
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sebsel [scottgruber] :)
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chrisaldrich what is oembed
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Loqi oEmbed is a 2009-era JSON-based format for providing information to construct a link-preview of a page https://indieweb.org/oEmbed
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chrisaldrich What is Readability?
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Loqi Readability is a bookmarking service that will be shut down 2016-09-30 https://indieweb.org/Readability
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chrisaldrich What is Mercury?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Mercury" yet. Would you like to create it?
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chrisaldrich Mercury is and API request tool that takes any web article and returns only the relevant content — headline, author, body text, relevant images and more — free from any clutter. It’s reliable, easy-to-use and free.
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Loqi ok
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miklb ChrisAldrich link?
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chrisaldrich https://mercury.postlight.com/
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@webrocker mid to long term I'll do more POSSE, but the tweetnest solution seems to fit my needs best currently (aka have my data/archive) #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/817802190614097924)
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sebsel Mercury << https://mercury.postlight.com/
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Loqi ok, I added "https://mercury.postlight.com/" to the "See Also" section of /Mercury
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sebsel oh boy, I should STOP trying to be helpful today
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aaronpk snarfed: i just realized that I don't store whether something was a pingback or webmention in webmention.io!
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snarfed aww :(
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aaronpk even still, it's only received 13,700 non-bridgy webmentions/pingbacks
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snarfed remind me, is the HTTP endpoint different? if you keep all your server logs, could you count based on that and HTTP method?
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snarfed ah. ok then. so unless known has done >300k, we probably aren't over 1M in the wild yet :(
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aaronpk yeah the endpoint is different. i'm pretty sure the logs rotate though so i don't think i have it back very far
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snarfed np
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aaronpk interestingly, telegraph has *sent* about the same!
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aaronpk telegraph has only been around for a year as well
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snarfed actually sent, not just run discovery?
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aaronpk right!
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snarfed cool!
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aaronpk sent enough for the recipient to acknowledge it. so as long as telegraph doesn't send webmentions that wouldn't verify (it does a precheck to avoid that) then it's actually sent 13,716 successful webmentions
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snarfed also, wow. sounds like bridgy has probably sent wm.io >2x more twitter @t username mentions than all native wms combined :/
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aaronpk hahaha
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Loqi ahahahaha
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voxpelli snarfed: regarding the number I gave you yesterday – that was for everything bridgy + non-bridgy wm:s
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snarfed ok!
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voxpelli I think the majority of wm:s are from Bridgy
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Loqi [indieweb] "Comment on A Secondary Meaning for POSSE by Amanda J. Rush" by Amanda J. Rush on 2017-01-06 http://boffosocko.com/2017/01/06/a-secondary-meaning-for-posse/#comment-33417
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "Break the logjam with a simple API" http://boffosocko.com/2017/01/07/break-the-logjam-with-a-simple-api/
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sknebel (re that bookmark ^^^, doesn't the dropbox API work from the browser?)
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@call_user_func [New]pfefferle/wordpress-indieweb-press-this This plugin adds IndieWeb microformats2 markup to WordPress' press th… https://packagist.org/packages/pfefferle/wordpress-indieweb-press-this (twitter.com/_/status/817820633048326144)
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@CaptainKurtis @aral http://indieweb.org is working hard to replace Facebook & Twitter with a decentralized web 2.0. No more proprietary social silos! (twitter.com/_/status/817821891255828480)
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@ChrisAldrich @scott_gruber @IndieWebcamp I should have location early this week for 1/25, hopefully on the Westside-ish near UCLA. (twitter.com/_/status/817824162882453504)
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@ChrisAldrich @scott_gruber @IndieWebcamp We'll also have a virtual one on Google Hangouts on the 11th if you want to "phone" in. (twitter.com/_/status/817824356776677376)
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@aral @CaptainKurtis Unless something’s changed, @indiewebcamp mission is not to replace Facebook/Twitter. If something has changed, I welcome it. (twitter.com/_/status/817825100150034432)
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aaronpk oh boy
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voxpelli Malmö has spoken
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Loqi [indieweb] "Reply to Dave Rupert’s Poll with another alternative" by Chris Aldrich on 2017-01-07 http://boffosocko.com/2017/01/07/reply-to-dave-ruperts-poll-with-another-alternative/
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@ChrisAldrich @davatron5000 #4 IndieWeb: Publish on your own site, syndicate elsewhere. (The missing option.) http://boffosocko.com/2017/01/07/reply-to-dave-ruperts-poll-with-another-alternative/ (twitter.com/_/status/817827241325273089)
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Zegnat voxpelli, Malmö has spoken?
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Loqi [indieweb] "Reply to Antonio Sánchez-Padial about webmentions for academic research" by Chris Aldrich on 2017-01-07 http://boffosocko.com/2017/01/07/reply-to-antonio-sanchez-padial-about-webmentions-for-academic-research/
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Zegnat And today I am reminder why I should not bother with people tags in photos on Facebook. People can remove their tags completely, so even in private albums where I am tagging people so I will know who they are 10 years from now, they will remove themselves.
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Zegnat And, the album being private, it is completely pointless for them to remove themselves. It is not like anyone else was seeing this.
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aaronpk interesting
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Zegnat For those who do not know: when you tag someone, you cannot block them from seeing the picture, but everyone else can still be blocked from seeing it.
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Zegnat Facebook probably allows this so you can manage what shows up under “Photos of [name]”. Though that point is moot in the case of my photos, as they wouldn’t be visible to anyone.
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aaronpk sounds like a great reason to not post private photos to facebook only for yourself
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Zegnat I just don’t feel like writing my own tagging UI, and I haven’t found an application that does it well yet.
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aaronpk yeah
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sebsel not the Mac Photo app?
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Zegnat I already had Apple’s Photo app library corrupt on me once, not going to do that again
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chrisaldrich I just noticed that Instagram has added the ability to like (using a heart icon) other users' comments. #justanotherpieceofdatatoown
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aaronpk heh i just realized that one of my reposts has a reply!
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aaronpk that's not possible on twitter
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Zegnat ChrisAldrich: only in the app? Not seeing that in the web interface
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@100daysindieweb Day 18: Showing Full Repost Content in p3k #100DaysOfIndieWeb #100DaysOfCode https://aaronparecki.com/2017/01/07/5/day-18-repost-content (twitter.com/_/status/817848145069502464)
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aaronpk that took surprisingly long considering what little effect it has
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@BlueprintNMedia pfefferle/wordpress-indieweb-press-this https://www.google.com/url?rct=j&sa=t&url=https%3A%2F%2Fpackagist.org%2Fpackages%2Fpfefferle%2Fwordpress-indieweb-press-this&ct=ga&cd=CAIyGjE2MzgzNWQyYmUzMmZmNGM6Y29tOmVuOlVT&usg=AFQjCNGD1v_we3PbU_ZRtx5PG-wkTwpWaQ #WordPress #plugin (twitter.com/_/status/817849893393940481)
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snarfed aaronpk: technically twitter does know when you reply to an RT, as opposed to the original. but yeah afaik it's not surfaced in the UI
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@scott_gruber @ChrisAldrich @indiewebcamp thanks a bunch. (twitter.com/_/status/817855992020889600)
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chrisaldrich Zegnat: Yes, it appears to only be available in the Instagram app; I don't see it on the web yet.
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chrisaldrich To see the functionality on the app, you have to go the comments page for the individual post.
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gRegorLove When I click to renew Bridgy access in FB, it's just showing a blank FB-framed page
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gRegorLove Bridgy in the search box, some app ads in the right, main area is blank.
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snarfed ugh, thanks gRegorLove, will look
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gRegorLove Does visiting my "profile" on Bridgy renew it / can I check from there?
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snarfed you clicked on the notification inside FB? or the FB button on https://brid.gy/ /
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snarfed ?
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snarfed no, opening your user page doesn't renew the token
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gRegorLove First clicked the notification in FB, blank page. Reloaded and also tried clicking the notification again.
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snarfed ok. try the fb button on https://brid.gy/ ?
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gRegorLove Checked console while loading it on FB: "Load denied by X-Frame-Options: https://www.facebook.com/ does not permit framing by https://apps.facebook.com/256884317673197//facebook/start?fb_source=notification."
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snarfed heh sounds like FB broke FB :/
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gRegorLove Trying FB button on Bridgy. I'm sure that will work
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gRegorLove Is "News Activity" just the general permission for FB statuses? Don't recall that language. "News articles you've read or shared and your other news activity in apps you've logged into with Facebook."
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gRegorLove Worked, though. :)
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snarfed i expect that's user_actions.news. added because it's needed to see posts possed by some things, e.g. wp jetpack or snapp
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snarfed yay good. i'll look into the notif problem
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Loqi :D
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gRegorLove Maybe it was because that's a new permission
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snarfed looks like it was added sometime btw 2016-04 and 2015-10
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@kevinmarks @aral @CaptainKurtis @indiewebcamp defining a mission in such terms is not usually productive. An independent web is the mission. (twitter.com/_/status/817862331954667520)
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