#indiewebcamp 2016-02-18

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Calli And what's with rel="facebook" in some of the examples? Do they actually use it?
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KartikPrabhu errr so you have to publish RSS for some strange reason even though content is from the canonical web URL
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KartikPrabhu weird
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aaronpk maybe it's the mechanism they use to find new articles?
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KartikPrabhu yeah because they don't know h-feed ;)
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tantek perhaps snarfed can teach them about parsing h-feed when he meets with them
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@cleverdevil RT @withknown Mad props to our shared hosting sponsors @DreamHost, who have an awesome deal right now: https://www.dreamhost.com/ #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/700114832008187905)
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tantek hey is https://woodwind.xyz/ the canonical URL for Woodwind?
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tantek should we update /Woodwind accordingly?
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kylewm yep!
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Loqi [indieweb] "Self-hosted notifications now @withknown - I just love it #indieweb" by Ben Borges http://1-m.cc/2016/self-hosted-notifications-now-withknown---i-just-love-it-indieweb
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Loqi [indieweb] "Self-hosted notifications now @withknown - I just love it #indieweb" by Ben Borges https://1-m.cc/2016/self-hosted-notifications-now-withknown---i-just-love-it-indieweb
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@benborges_ Self-hosted notifications now @withknown - I just love it #indieweb https://twitter.com/benborges_/status/700120422126395396/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/700120422126395396)
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tantek.com edited /Woodwind (-5) "woodwind.xyz" (view diff)
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benwerd kylewm++ for the aforementioned notification feature :)
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Loqi kylewm has 295 karma
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tantek wow that shipped already?!?
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benwerd well, it's in the repo
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tantek he was just demoing it last week as a prototype!
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tantek does that mean web push notifications are coming soon too?
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benwerd web push notifications (the non-browser-specific kind) are in there
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benwerd I merged the pull request yesterday
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tantek amazing
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tantek did /notifications help at least? like with design etc.?
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benwerd tantek: kylewm should answer that - I merely merged and gazed in awe :)
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tantek.com moved /private_account to /private-account "better search URL"
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kylewm ben did clean up the design and make it look more like a feed (twitter notifications style) rather than the list of boxy notifications that i showed last week
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tantek nice. does it look good on Known mobile web?
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kylewm the /notifications page helped in a couple of ways -- useful to look at existing examples, and also hopefully i designed the data structure in a way that clustering will be possible in the future
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tantek could you add a screenshot perhaps to /notifications ?
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tantek great!
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kylewm I will screenshot, but it's not quite ready yet ;)
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kylewm still some stray bridgy markup in there
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snarfed the only kind! :P
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kylewm :D
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Loqi [indieweb] "@withknown confirmed, staticpage issue fixed : https://1-m.cc/pages/news-dj - thanks a lot for this amazing support responsiveness #indieweb" by Ben Borges https://1-m.cc/2016/withknown-confirmed-staticpage-issue-fixed--mccpagesnews-dj---thanks-a-lot
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Loqi [indieweb] "@withknown confirmed, staticpage issue fixed : https://1-m.cc/pages/news-dj - thanks a lot for this amazing support responsiveness #indieweb" by Ben Borges http://1-m.cc/2016/withknown-confirmed-staticpage-issue-fixed--mccpagesnews-dj---thanks-a-lot
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Loqi [indieweb] "Amazed at @withknown ability to fetch reactions from anyone tweeting any of my in-site urls/posts #indieweb" by Ben Borges http://1-m.cc/2016/amazed-at-withknown-ability-to-fetch-reactions-from-anyone-tweeting
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@benborges_ Amazed at @withknown ability to fetch reactions from anyone tweeting any of my in-site urls/posts #indieweb (https://1-m.cc/s/2C00x) (twitter.com/_/status/700131526646853633)
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Loqi [indieweb] "Amazed at @withknown ability to fetch reactions from anyone tweeting any of my in-site urls/posts #indieweb" by Ben Borges https://1-m.cc/2016/amazed-at-withknown-ability-to-fetch-reactions-from-anyone-tweeting
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@RikMende RT @withknown Mad props to our shared hosting sponsors @DreamHost, who have an awesome deal right now: https://www.dreamhost.com/ #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/700132825693945857)
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cassie.wtf edited /2016/MIT/Guest_List (+269) "/* Participants */" (view diff)
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Loqi [indieweb] "Going Silo-Private to Prefer the IndieWeb, Leave Silo Publics, and Pioneer Privacy on the Independent Web" http://tantek.com/2016/048/b1/going-silo-private-prefer-indieweb
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tantek note that Loqi did not mention my POSSE tweet! https://twitter.com/t/status/700145919568687104
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tantek and didn't have to because he got it from the PuSH network as it were :)
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[kevinmarks] Well, I can't retweet you
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tantek what happens if you click the "Tweet" button at the bottom of http://tantek.com/2016/048/b1/going-silo-private-prefer-indieweb ?
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@kevinmarks Going Silo-Private to Prefer the IndieWeb, Leave Silo Publics, and Pioneer Privacy on the Independent Web: http://tantek.com/2016/048/b1/going-silo-private-prefer-indieweb via @t (twitter.com/_/status/700151624799358976)
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[kevinmarks] So that works. Did you leave 6 chars for the via?
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tantek 7
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tantek same as "RT @t: "
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@H4RDNUT8 Tantek Çelik: Going Silo-Private to Prefer the IndieWeb, Leave Silo Publics, and Pioneer Privacy on the Independen… http://tantek.com/2016/048/b1/going-silo-private-prefer-indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/700154833630793728)
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tantek snarfed, btw let me know how Bridgy is doing with the private accounts / posts
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@PlanetFeeds Tantek Çelik: Going Silo-Private to Prefer the IndieWeb, Leave Silo Publics, and Pioneer Privacy on the Indepe... http://tantek.com/2016/048/b1/going-silo-private-prefer-indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/700174493407248384)
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@benwerd Tantek Çelik has made his social media profiles private, now solely publishes publicly on the independent web: http://tantek.com/2016/048/b1/going-silo-private-prefer-indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/700182890793938944)
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Loqi [indieweb] "Tantek Çelik has made his social media profiles private, now solely publishes publicly on the independent web: http://tantek.com/2016/048/b1/going-silo-private-prefer-indieweb" by Ben Werdmüller http://werd.io/2016/tantek-%c3%a7elik-has-made-his-social-media-profiles-private-now
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@dealingwith RT @benwerd Tantek Çelik has made his social media profiles private, now solely publishes publicly on the independent web: http://tantek.com/2016/048/b1/going-silo-private-prefer-indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/700183858776403968)
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@energyovertime RT @benwerd Tantek Çelik has made his social media profiles private, now solely publishes publicly on the independent web: http://tantek.com/2016/048/b1/going-silo-private-prefer-indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/700187720337924097)
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@gravitytrope RT @benwerd Tantek Çelik has made his social media profiles private, now solely publishes publicly on the independent web: http://tantek.com/2016/048/b1/going-silo-private-prefer-indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/700190901373526017)
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@gravitydrift RT @benwerd Tantek Çelik has made his social media profiles private, now solely publishes publicly on the independent web: http://tantek.com/2016/048/b1/going-silo-private-prefer-indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/700190916519145472)
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@cstanhope RT @benwerd Tantek Çelik has made his social media profiles private, now solely publishes publicly on the independent web: http://tantek.com/2016/048/b1/going-silo-private-prefer-indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/700194453567332353)
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Loqi [indieweb] "Going Silo-Private to Prefer the IndieWeb, Leave Silo Publics, and Pioneer Privacy on the ..." https://www.google.com/url?rct=j&sa=t&url=http://tantek.com/2016/048/b1/going-silo-private-prefer-indieweb&ct=ga&cd=CAIyGTcwMWY3ZGQ2YjBjYTI3NWQ6Y2w6ZW46Q0w&usg=AFQjCNFmbczJmsu84DoOcBrPb_OJlwAyZQ
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tantek what's that ^^^
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Loqi [indieweb] "Liked Tantek Çelik's Going Silo-Private to Prefer the IndieWeb, Leave Silo Publics, and Pioneer Privacy on the Independent Web" by Tino Kremer https://tinokremer.nl/2016/liked-tantek-%c3%a7eliks-going-silo-private-to-prefer-the-indieweb-leave
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Loqi [indieweb] "[toread] [priv] Going Silo-Private to Prefer the IndieWeb, Leave Silo Publics, and Pioneer Privacy on the Independent Web - Tantek" by maxbarners http://tantek.com/2016/048/b1/going-silo-private-prefer-indieweb
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@ForbiddenMatrix RT @kevinmarks Going Silo-Private to Prefer the IndieWeb, Leave Silo Publics, and Pioneer Privacy on the Independent Web: http://tantek.com/2016/048/b1/going-silo-private-prefer-indieweb via @t (twitter.com/_/status/700224409529774080)
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@earthbound19 indieweb / brid.gy test (http://earthbound.io/blog/2016/02/18/indieweb-brid-gy-test/) (twitter.com/_/status/700226937021550592)
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KevinMarks after finding 2003 etech predicting slack, I dug out a couple more: http://www.kevinmarks.com/SSABoF.txt
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KevinMarks http://www.kevinmarks.com/JournalismBoF.txt
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cweiske !tell aaronpk monocle seems to add a slash at the end of the URL: http://fotostore.cweiske.de/screenshots/2016-02-18%20monocle%20add%201.png and http://fotostore.cweiske.de/screenshots/2016-02-18%20monocle%20add%202%20slash.png
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Loqi cweiske: kylewm left you a message 11 hours, 48 minutes ago: urls are normalized for video and source tags now, and the base tag should be respected. thanks for the heads up. let me know if it's not working correctly still. http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-02-17/line/1455745965691
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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cweiske !tell aaronpk it seems to not do it when I add the http:// before my url myself
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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cweiske !tell kylewm poster, source and base href work fine.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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cweiske !tell kylewm I switched to delivering my HTML exclusively as Content-type: application/xhtml+xml, and woodwind now does not find feeds on my page anymore
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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KevinMarks that's very retro of you
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cweiske I had a htaccess switch that sent out text/html when the browser did not have application/xhtml+xml in the accept header
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cweiske because disqus broke with only xml when I tried it in 2013
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cweiske but now I ditched it, since I don't use disqus anyway
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cweiske KevinMarks, the main issue is that I mark up my code with CDATA sections, and they don't work in HTML, only in XHTML
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cweiske btw, monocle copes fine with cdata sections
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cweiske !tell aaronpk, ben_thatmustbeme, kylewm - https://indiewebcamp.com/private_posts lists you as supporting private posts. how do readers get private posts/get authed? Do you give out different feed URLs when people are authed on your page?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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KevinMarks how do they fail?
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cweiske cdata start and end sections are ignored
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cweiske in html
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cweiske so tags in cdata section are interpreted as html tags
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cweiske leaving only the text
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cweiske cdata xhtml: http://fotostore.cweiske.de/screenshots/2016-02-18%20cdata%20xhtml.png
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KevinMarks html spec says the need to be inside foreign content https://html.spec.whatwg.org/multipage/syntax.html#syntax-cdata
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KevinMarks can you wrap them in SVG?
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cweiske not really
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cweiske it's in <pre>
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cweiske cdata html: http://fotostore.cweiske.de/screenshots/2016-02-18%20cdata%20html.png
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@voycey_web Reg: Remember WordPress' Pingbacks? The W3C wants us to use them across the whole web: 'Webmentions' spec prom... http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/02/18/remember_wordpress_pingbacks_the_w3c_wants_us_to_use_them_across_the_whole_web/ (twitter.com/_/status/700268730454900736)
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@vaporware #theregister Remember WordPress' Pingbacks? The W3C wants us to use them across the whole web: 'Webmentions' s... http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/02/18/remember_wordpress_pingbacks_the_w3c_wants_us_to_use_them_across_the_whole_web/ (twitter.com/_/status/700268732426223616)
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@mikipanda RT @voycey_web Reg: Remember WordPress' Pingbacks? The W3C wants us to use them across the whole web: 'Webmentions' spec prom... http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/02/18/remember_wordpress_pingbacks_the_w3c_wants_us_to_use_them_across_the_whole_web/ (twitter.com/_/status/700270711982542848)
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@elpep Évidemment, le titre est trompeur puisque ça parle des webmentions /cc @franckpaul (twitter.com/_/status/700271128548401152)
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@a2ztechnews Remember WordPress' Pingbacks? The W3C wants us to use them across the whole web: 'Webmentions' spec promises ... http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/02/18/remember_wordpress_pingbacks_the_w3c_wants_us_to_use_them_across_the_whole_web/ (twitter.com/_/status/700274576366809088)
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michel_v it's unfair to call the "WordPress' Pingbacks"
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michel_v they originated outside of any CMS project
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michel_v it's just that b2 was the first (released) blogware to integrate them
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[kevinmarks] Who wrote the subhead there?
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Loqi [indieweb] "My #indieweb site got a brand new @letsencrypt SSL certificate ! Whooo I can finally be part of the secure web!" by Rick Mendes http://www.rmendes.net/2016/my-indieweb-site-got-a-brand-new-letsencrypt-ssl-certificate
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@RikMende My #indieweb site got a brand new @letsencrypt SSL certificate ! Whooo I can finally be part of the secure web! (https://www.rmendes.net/2016/my-indieweb-site-got-a-brand-new-letsencrypt-ssl-certificate) (twitter.com/_/status/700277848980852736)
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@morvjn RT @RikMende My #indieweb site got a brand new @letsencrypt SSL certificate ! Whooo I can finally be part of the secure web! (https://www.rmendes.net/2016/my-indieweb-site-got-a-brand-new-letsencrypt-ssl-certificate) (twitter.com/_/status/700278846206144512)
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@vividspirit Remember WordPress' Pingbacks? The W3C wants us to use them across the whole web: 'Webmentions' spec promises ... http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/02/18/remember_wordpress_pingbacks_the_w3c_wants_us_to_use_them_across_the_whole_web/ (twitter.com/_/status/700279342417342466)
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@SingaporeITServ Remember WordPress' Pingbacks? The W3C wants us to use them across the whole web: 'Webmentions' spec promises ... http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/02/18/remember_wordpress_pingbacks_the_w3c_wants_us_to_use_them_across_the_whole_web/ (twitter.com/_/status/700279344829050880)
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@IndiaITServ Remember WordPress' Pingbacks? The W3C wants us to use them across the whole web: 'Webmentions' spec promises ... http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/02/18/remember_wordpress_pingbacks_the_w3c_wants_us_to_use_them_across_the_whole_web/ (twitter.com/_/status/700279348020928512)
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@NiraleeRaval Remember WordPress' Pingbacks? The W3C wants us to use them across the whole web: 'Webmentions' spec promises ... http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/02/18/remember_wordpress_pingbacks_the_w3c_wants_us_to_use_them_across_the_whole_web/ (twitter.com/_/status/700279349811875840)
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@UnisonITSupport Remember WordPress' Pingbacks? The W3C wants us to use them across the whole web: 'Webmentions' spec promises ... http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/02/18/remember_wordpress_pingbacks_the_w3c_wants_us_to_use_them_across_the_whole_web/ (twitter.com/_/status/700279357462347776)
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@mikaelnt Remember WordPress' Pingbacks? The W3C wants us to use them across the whole web: 'Webmentions' spec promises ... http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/02/18/remember_wordpress_pingbacks_the_w3c_wants_us_to_use_them_across_the_whole_web/ (twitter.com/_/status/700279359404290049)
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@TechKnowledgeIt Remember WordPress' Pingbacks? The W3C wants us to use them across the whole web 'Webmentions' spec promises... http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/02/18/remember_wordpress_pingbacks_the_w3c_wants_us_to_use_them_across_the_whole_web/ (twitter.com/_/status/700287920956006400)
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kylewm Weird, a scathing headline on a pretty positive article
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Loqi kylewm: cweiske left you a message 2 hours, 31 minutes ago: poster, source and base href work fine. http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-02-18/line/1455788559929
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Loqi kylewm: cweiske left you a message 2 hours, 31 minutes ago: I switched to delivering my HTML exclusively as Content-type: application/xhtml+xml, and woodwind now does not find feeds on my page anymore http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-02-18/line/1455788598191
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Loqi kylewm: cweiske left you a message 2 hours, 26 minutes ago: - https://indiewebcamp.com/private_posts lists you as supporting private posts. how do readers get private posts/get authed? Do you give out different feed URLs when people are authed on your page? http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-02-18/line/1455788879341
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@IT_securitynews Remember WordPress’ Pingbacks? The W3C wants us to use them across the whole web: ‘Webmentions’ spec… http://itsecuritynews.info/2016/02/18/remember-wordpress-pingbacks-the-w3c-wants-us-to-use-them-across-the-whole-web/ #infosec (twitter.com/_/status/700299706153484288)
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petermolnar ...aaand we might need to prepare for webmentions spam after this article
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Loqi [indieweb] "my self-hosted @withknown @dreamhost #indieweb site got a smooth upgrade" by Rick Mendes http://www.rmendes.net/2016/my-self-hosted-withknown-dreamhost-indieweb-site-got-a-smooth-upgrade
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pfefferle good morning
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petermolnar hi pfefferle
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pfefferle hey petermolnar
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Loqi [mention] someone posted http://blog.henrikcarlsson.se/2016/02/please-anchor-be-a-good-citizen-of-the-open-web/ that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/silo, http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE, and http://indiewebcamp.com/PESOS https://webmention.io/notification/Y9wpCK1E4MnZbNYcQJwsEA
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petermolnar !tell tantek how do you calculate reading time on your articles? ( mine is: ceil( str_word_count( strip_tags( $text ), 0 ) / 300 ) but I'm not convinced it's really an accurate value )
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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cjk101010 hm, is there somewhere a microformats2 parser for elixir or erlang?
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cweiske petermolnar, in which way does seeing the reading time help me?
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cweiske I'm mostly annoyed when the first paragraph of a post in my feed reader is "3 minutes reading time"
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petermolnar that is a valid critic
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petermolnar to be honest, it's just a design feature and now that I think about it, I should probably show the byte length instead :)
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petermolnar I'm struggling a bit how to show if a thing in my stream has more to offer; the read time is only shown on my articles to differentiate them
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cweiske "more"?
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petermolnar unless I make it 3em and pink, it's not visible enough :D
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cweiske "more" as in a "click here to read more" link?
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petermolnar I use » at the end of the title; the "click here..." might work, but I do like the x mins to read as a design feature
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@brianoberkirch Looks like someone just got a giant delivery of dog food. http://tantek.com/2016/048/b1/going-silo-private-prefer-indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/700329048585580544)
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@redinkcreative #wordpress's pingbacks rebooted, renamed webmentions. Set to be the biggest thing ever: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/02/18/remember_wordpress_pingbacks_the_w3c_wants_us_to_use_them_across_the_whole_web/ (twitter.com/_/status/700330711740497920)
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@3p_ar Webmention, a simple way to notify any URL when you link to it on your site #WebDev https://www.w3.org/TR/2016/WD-webmention-20160112/ (twitter.com/_/status/700337990174793728)
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@i0ewx76 RT 3p_ar Webmention, a simple way to notify any URL when you link to it on your site #WebDev https://www.w3.org/TR/2016/WD-webmention-20160112/ (twitter.com/_/status/700340319380967425)
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Loqi [indieweb] "Repost of Tantek Çelik's Going Silo-Private to Prefer the IndieWeb, Leave Silo Publics, and Pioneer Privacy on the Independent Web" by Tino Kremer https://tinokremer.nl/2016/repost-of-tantek-%c3%a7eliks-going-silo-private-to-prefer-the-indieweb
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aaronpk good morning
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Loqi aaronpk: cweiske left you a message 6 hours, 32 minutes ago: monocle seems to add a slash at the end of the URL: http://fotostore.cweiske.de/screenshots/2016-02-18%20monocle%20add%201.png and http://fotostore.cweiske.de/screenshots/2016-02-18%20monocle%20add%202%20slash.png http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-02-18/line/1455788464747
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Loqi aaronpk: cweiske left you a message 6 hours, 31 minutes ago: it seems to not do it when I add the http:// before my url myself http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-02-18/line/1455788524495
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Loqi aaronpk: cweiske left you a message 6 hours, 25 minutes ago: - https://indiewebcamp.com/private_posts lists you as supporting private posts. how do readers get private posts/get authed? Do you give out different feed URLs when people are authed on your page? http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-02-18/line/1455788879341
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aaronpk I really don't like the "3 minutes reading time" trend
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aaronpk don't tell me how fast I read
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aaronpk cweiske: ah yeah that's some over-eager URL correcting happening
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aaronparecki.com edited /private_posts (+74) "/* {{aaronpk}} */" (view diff)
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aaronpk that headline is odd
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aaronpk "'Webmentions' spec promises future linkspam outbreak"
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aaronpk maybe "acknowledges" would be better?
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petermolnar aaronpk X characters or Y bytes to read would look better? ( not /s, actual question )
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aaronpk not really
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aaronpk assuming the post is all on one page, scroll bar length is a pretty good indicator
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aaronpk or i just scroll really fast to the bottom and get a sense of how long the post is
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petermolnar oh, no, I'm referring to the summary entry on a stream to continue to the article
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aaronpk hm, I think that would only be helpful if every article did it, otherwise "2300 characters" is totally arbitrary and I have no point of reference
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aaronpk i think akismet thinks bridgy is spam
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petermolnar that happened before
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aaronpk wordpress is returning 'Invalid discovery target' for those pingbacks
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aaronpk which is right after the "'true' == $comment['akismet_result']" line in wordpress
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petermolnar that won't happen with my alternative plugin
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petermolnar but that lacks other features :(
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petermolnar but apart from that, this has to be addressed
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petermolnar somehow
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petermolnar oh, wait, that's pingback & xmlrpc
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petermolnar interesting
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petermolnar that pre_check_pingback is a massive overkill
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petermolnar showing that there are tonnes of pingback spam we probably don't even know about
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aaronpk oh I know about the tons of pingback spam, believe me :P
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aaronpk you wouldn't believe the crap that gets thrown at the webmention.io pingback endpoint
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@LinuxNov Remember WordPress' Pingbacks? The W3C wants us to use them across the whole web: 'Webmentions' spec... http:/// #LinuxNov (twitter.com/_/status/700365142513442816)
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Loqi [mention] https://aaronparecki.com/ commented '@heibie There should be a "fix issue" button which magically sorts everything ou...' on a post that linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/today (https://aaronparecki.com/2016/02/18/5/)
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aaronpk oh darn
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Loqi [indienews] New post: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/02/18/remember_wordpress_pingbacks_the_w3c_wants_us_to_use_them_across_the_whole_web/ (from https://aaronparecki.com/2016/02/18/6/) http://news.indiewebcamp.com/en/www.theregister.co.uk/2016/02/18/remember_wordpress_pingbacks_the_w3c_wants_us_to_use_them_across_the_whole_web/
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@aaronpk Great writeup of #Webmention in The Register today by @luxagraf! http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/02/18/remember_wordpress_pingbacks_the_w3c_wants_us_to_use_them_across_the_whole_web/ (twitter.com/_/status/700367960641114112)
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aaronpk that cover photo tho
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aaronpk doesn't appear in the actual article, but is in the facebook meta tags
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aaronpk so my post on facebook looks like this: https://www.dropbox.com/s/pecvi91o610615r/Screenshot%202016-02-18%2009.16.15.png?dl=0
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petermolnar og:image https://regmedia.co.uk/2015/01/07/tommy_lee_jones1.jpg?x=1200&y=794
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@marcthiele RT @aaronpk Great writeup of #Webmention in The Register today by @luxagraf! http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/02/18/remember_wordpress_pingbacks_the_w3c_wants_us_to_use_them_across_the_whole_web/ (twitter.com/_/status/700368414087516160)
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Loqi [indieweb] "Remember WordPress' Pingbacks? The W3C wants us to use them across the whole web • #indieweb #openweb" by Rick Mendes http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/02/18/remember_wordpress_pingbacks_the_w3c_wants_us_to_use_them_across_the_whole_web/
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@RikMende Remember WordPress' Pingbacks? The W3C wants us to use them across the whole web • #indieweb #openweb http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/02/18/remember_wordpress_pingbacks_the_w3c_wants_us_to_use_them_across_the_whole_web/ (twitter.com/_/status/700369759796273152)
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aaronpk hehe https://twitter.com/luxagraf/status/700371125704986625
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@luxagraf @aaronpk thanks, glad you liked it. Not so sure about the subhead myself, but otherwise (twitter.com/_/status/700371125704986625)
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cweiske aaronpk, any comments on http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-02-18/line/1455788879341 ?
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aaronpk oh, yeah, i added some details on the page
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aaronpk it just sets a session cookie after you identify with indieauth
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aaronpk i want to do a version where you get a private URL you can add to a reader though
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cweiske the issue with readers will be that the "subscribe" or "follow me" button only tells the reader the page you are on
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cweiske and the reader does feed discovery itself
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cweiske which means that the reader will not see the private feed link
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cweiske how could we solve this problem?
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aaronpk yeah i haven't thought about it from the "subscribe" button perspective
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aaronpk you'd need a way for the reader to include an access token when it fetches the feed
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aaronpk which means you'd need a way to allow your reader to generate an access token for you
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heibie hi aaron. thanks for your support on twitter. already tried the "Fix Issue" Button and get the following error message https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/262007/Bildschirmfoto%202016-02-18%20um%2018.33.23.png
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aaronpk hi heibie! oh yeah, app IDs are global, so you'd need to change that to your own string
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aaronpk try changing it to use your own domain name
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aaronpk (that's the "Bundle Identifier" field)
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heibie ok. i changed it. it seems to work. cool. now i could transfer the app to my phone (after allowing access in iPhone settings for this developer account)
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aaronpk great!
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[shaners] What is logo?
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Loqi Here are several versions of the IndieWebCamp logo; for a personal logo for your site, see icon https://indiewebcamp.com/logo
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[shaners] The logo discussion seems pretty idle. Should we call it?
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[shaners] (And I’ll start the logotype treatment next week)
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aaronpk i think we were all in agreement that launching it at IWC Summit would be good
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[shaners] I thought we were in agreement about launching *some* new logo then, but which version hadn’t been agreed upon yet.
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[shaners] I only meant, are we in agreement about the most recent logomark iteration?
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@sikkdays #Webmention rules. https://twitter.com/aaronpk/status/700367960641114112 (twitter.com/_/status/700376885037903873)
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aaronpk i think so!
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[shaners] Perf.
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GWG I still find summit an interesting Choice of term
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aaronpk last week we said we were going to wait another week for feedback i think
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[shaners] Gotchoo
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[shaners] Relatedly, do you know the original who designed the Microformats logo?
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[shaners] that’s a weird sentence
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[shaners] Relatedly, do you know who designed the original Microformats logo?
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aaronpk I do not
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[shaners] !tell tantek who designed the Microformats logo?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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@ChrisAldrich RT @benwerd Tantek Çelik has made his social media profiles private, now solely publishes publicly on the independent web: http://tantek.com/2016/048/b1/going-silo-private-prefer-indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/700380206414991360)
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Loqi [indieweb] "Remember WordPress' Pingbacks? The W3C wants us to use them across the whole web •" https://twitter.com/RikMende/status/700369759796273152
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gRegorLove Pingbacks by definition are across the whole web. ?
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aaronpk editors tend to change headlines/taglines of articles like this just before press, often without the input from the author of the post
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gRegorLove Direct article link: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/02/18/remember_wordpress_pingbacks_the_w3c_wants_us_to_use_them_across_the_whole_web/
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gRegorLove Starts off rough, but getting a bit better
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@withknown Webmentions are beginning to pick up steam. We've supported them since the beginning: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/02/18/remember_wordpress_pingbacks_the_w3c_wants_us_to_use_them_across_the_whole_web/ #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/700384050972786688)
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gRegorLove Huh, links to Known, Bridgy, webmention.io, and Vouch.
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@lackaff RT @withknown Webmentions are beginning to pick up steam. We've supported them since the beginning: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/02/18/remember_wordpress_pingbacks_the_w3c_wants_us_to_use_them_across_the_whole_web/ #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/700385173800509440)
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@skry RT @withknown Webmentions are beginning to pick up steam. We've supported them since the beginning: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/02/18/remember_wordpress_pingbacks_the_w3c_wants_us_to_use_them_across_the_whole_web/ #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/700386387317682176)
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@mshook RT @withknown Webmentions are beginning to pick up steam. We've supported them since the beginning: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/02/18/remember_wordpress_pingbacks_the_w3c_wants_us_to_use_them_across_the_whole_web/ #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/700386572126937088)
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KevinMarks Dan Cederholm designed the microformats logo
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KevinMarks http://microformats.org/wiki/spread#Logo
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@ChrisAldrich Going Silo-Private to Prefer the #IndieWeb, Leave Silo Publics, and Pioneer Privacy http://tantek.com/2016/048/b1/going-silo-private-prefer-indieweb Thank you @t! (twitter.com/_/status/700388187265347585)
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Loqi [indieweb] "Going Silo-Private to Prefer the #IndieWeb, Leave Silo Publics, and Pioneer Privacy http://tantek.com/2016/048/b1/going-silo-private-prefer-indieweb Thank you @t!" by Chris Aldrich http://stream.boffosocko.com/2016/going-silo-private-to-prefer-the-indieweb-leave-silo-publics-and
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Loqi [indienews] New post: http://tantek.com/2016/048/b1/going-silo-private-prefer-indieweb (from https://aaronparecki.com/2016/02/18/9/) http://news.indiewebcamp.com/en/tantek.com/2016/048/b1/going-silo-private-prefer-indieweb
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aaronpk is submitting things to indienews so they get included in the weekly newsletter tomorrow :)
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@ChrisAldrich @alexishope @joegoldbeck In fact, here's a great example of being a canary in the coal mine from last night: http://tantek.com/2016/048/b1/going-silo-private-prefer-indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/700389631578116096)
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Loqi [indieweb] "@alexishope @joegoldbeck In fact, here's a great example of being a canary in the coal mine from last night: http://tantek.com/2016/048/b1/going-silo-private-prefer-indieweb" by Chris Aldrich http://stream.boffosocko.com/2016/alexishope-joegoldbeck-in-fact-heres-a-great-example-of-being
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@guyjames23 New post on my blog: Webmention http://www.guyjames.com/webmention/ (twitter.com/_/status/700392485856665602)
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Loqi [indieweb] "Going Silo-Private to Prefer the IndieWeb, Leave Silo Publics, and Pioneer Privacy on the Independent Web - Tantek" by Jonathan LaCour http://tantek.com/2016/048/b1/going-silo-private-prefer-indieweb
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Loqi [indieweb] "Awesome post by Tantek Çelik about going all-in on the #IndieWeb." by Jonathan LaCour http://cleverdevil.io/2016/untitled-1
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@cleverdevil Awesome post by Tantek Çelik about going all-in on the #IndieWeb. (https://cleverdevil.io/2016/untitled-1) (twitter.com/_/status/700392844750626817)
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[shaners] kevinmarks: thanks
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KevinMarks I can't remember when the orange variant used on http://microformats.org/ was made
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KevinMarks it was before 2006 though: https://www.flickr.com/photos/kevinmarks/285384771
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@erinjo Interesting to see that the W3C is considering a spec for webmentions, something built into @withknown. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/02/18/remember_wordpress_pingbacks_the_w3c_wants_us_to_use_them_across_the_whole_web/?mt=1455820670353 (twitter.com/_/status/700397004396982272)
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cleverdevil hmm... anyone having trouble signing into monocle?
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cleverdevil http://share.cleverdevil.io/Screen-Shot-2016-02-18-11-14-28.png
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aaronpk odd
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aaronpk i can still sign in. are cookies blocked?
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aaronpk cleverdevil: ooh what are you using to save screenshots?
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aaronpk that looks like something that uploads them automatically
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cleverdevil aaronpk: dropshare, connected to DreamHost DreamObjects.
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cleverdevil cookies aren't blocked, as far as I can tell.
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cleverdevil using the latest version of Known.
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cleverdevil I am able to login to Woodwind.
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cleverdevil just not Monocle.
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gRegorLove I got into Monocle OK
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gRegorLove What is dropshare?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "dropshare" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10EN
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aaronpk i wonder if we can convince dropshare to support micropub
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cleverdevil http://wiki.dreamhost.com/How_to_Use_Dropshare_with_DreamObjects
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cleverdevil that would be awesome :)
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cleverdevil also would be good to try to get Ulysses to support Micropub... they already support publishing to Medium.
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aaronpk i've been looking for a replacement for Skitch for a long time. I was using skitch to upload to my site for a while
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cleverdevil nods.
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cleverdevil for me, uploading to an object store that I map via CNAME to my domain is good enough.
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cleverdevil if I want to post something about it, I can just embed the URI into a post.
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aaronpk yeah that works pretty well
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cleverdevil hmm... I wonder if its something with my Known setup.
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cleverdevil or with Known in general?
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@jordan_web RT @withknown Webmentions are beginning to pick up steam. We've supported them since the beginning: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/02/18/remember_wordpress_pingbacks_the_w3c_wants_us_to_use_them_across_the_whole_web/ #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/700401347074592768)
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@AmateurTechno RT @withknown Webmentions are beginning to pick up steam. We've supported them since the beginning: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/02/18/remember_wordpress_pingbacks_the_w3c_wants_us_to_use_them_across_the_whole_web/ #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/700401347192037376)
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aaronpk woo hoo i have my own screenshot URLs again finally
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cleverdevil Dropshare *rocks*
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kylewm aaronpk: maybe the issue with urls with a path?
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aaronpk oh could be. let me see
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@jevdemon I didn't realize Webmentions were a W3C draft. Nice to see #indieweb on the standards track. https://www.w3.org/TR/2016/WD-webmention-20160112/ (twitter.com/_/status/700403123236409344)
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kylewm aaronpk: posse to email with backfeed?? https://aaronparecki.com/2016/02/18/11/
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aaronpk manual til it hurts
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@jevdemon @clemensv Perhaps. Webmentions are useful for distributed conversations between sites. It can also be used for POSSEing to FB, Twitter, etc (twitter.com/_/status/700407947302559745)
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tantek KevinMarks: what conference was this from? http://www.kevinmarks.com/SSABoF.txt what year?
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Loqi tantek: petermolnar left you a message 5 hours, 55 minutes ago: how do you calculate reading time on your articles? ( mine is: ceil( str_word_count( strip_tags( $text ), 0 ) / 300 ) but I'm not convinced it's really an accurate value ) http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-02-18/line/1455804782286
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Loqi tantek: [shaners] left you a message 2 hours, 6 minutes ago: who designed the Microformats logo? http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-02-18/line/1455818576342
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tantek !tell shaners @simplebits
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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Loqi [indieweb] "A piece of the #indieweb just got official http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/02/18/remember_wordpress_pingbacks_the_w3c_wants_us_to_use_them_across_the_whole_web/?mt=1455820670353" by Tino Kremer https://tinokremer.nl/2016/a-piece-of-the-indieweb-just-got-official-20160218remember_wordpress_pingbacks_the_w3c_wants_us_to_use_them_across_the_whole_webmt1455820670353
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tantek !tell shaners it was a back/forth process between me conveying concepts to represent, @simplebits doing design possibilities, sharing them with me, me saying "more like that one", and after a couple of iterations we got pretty close to the current logo, and then he did look/feel/logotype refinements until we got what we have now.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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tantek that's not a bad article, considering "The Register": www.theregister.co.uk/2016/02/18/remember_wordpress_pingbacks_the_w3c_wants_us_to_use_them_across_the_whole_web/
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tantek note how the key points on the home page were digestable by the journalist writing the article, who carried them forth: "One of the core ideas of the IndieWeb is that when you post something on the web, it should be yours. It should not belong – as your Tweets and Facebook posts do – to a corporation."
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tantek and reference to site-deaths: "Aside from the basic humanist principles of self-reliance, and political notions of property, much of the appeal in avoiding corporate silos is that eventually the companies go out of business and take all your data with them."
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tantek this is a really good summary: "This is where the Webmentions come in: the goal is to standardize a way to link together conversations across the web."
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tantek Bridgy++ got mentioned! And linked! lookout snarfed and kylewm! You've got press!
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Loqi Bridgy has 36 karma
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tantek actually that's more than not bad, that's a pretty great article
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aaronpk totally! off to a rough start with the headline and subtitle, but the article itself is good!
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cleverdevil its excellent, especially considering the audience.
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tantek aaronpk: yes the headline is link/tweet bait with reference to WordPress and W3C
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aaronpk it was written by luxagraf, who is on /irc-people
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tantek and subhead is definitely the fear-jacking approach
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tantek headling/subhead is often editor-written, not writer-written
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tantek s/headling/headline
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Loqi tantek meant to say: headline/subhead is often editor-written, not writer-written
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aaronpk https://twitter.com/luxagraf/status/700371125704986625
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@luxagraf @aaronpk thanks, glad you liked it. Not so sure about the subhead myself, but otherwise (twitter.com/_/status/700371125704986625)
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tantek the subhead is ok because he does mention Vouch (and link to it!)
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tantek that's a very well linked article
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tantek has anyone shown up from The Register article?
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@davidmead RT @erinjo Interesting to see that the W3C is considering a spec for webmentions, something built into @withknown. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/02/18/remember_wordpress_pingbacks_the_w3c_wants_us_to_use_them_across_the_whole_web/?mt=1455820670353 (twitter.com/_/status/700415684115894275)
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snarfed small bump in bridgy home page traffic, ~10-20% of total. we'll take it :P
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tantek !tell petermolnar nothing so scientific. I asked benwerd to read it, timed him, then added 50% ;)
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek !tell cweiske re: being annoyed when first paragraph. It's not, it's in an <aside>. I suggest you file a feature request with your feed reader to add better designed support for <aside> elements.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek aaronpk: why do you not like the reading time thing? I think benwerd has gotten good feedback from it. Plus, look at it as a time to beat, like a challenge ;)
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aaronpk i think i explained why?
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tantek yeah I copied benwerd because I thought it sounded good, and people tend to not read things that scroll, so saying "only 3 min" I think encourages reading
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tantek and what *is* with that cover photo aaronpk ?!? https://twitter.com/aaronpk/status/700367960641114112
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@aaronpk Great writeup of #Webmention in The Register today by @luxagraf! http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/02/18/remember_wordpress_pingbacks_the_w3c_wants_us_to_use_them_across_the_whole_web/ (twitter.com/_/status/700367960641114112)
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Loqi cweiske: tantek left you a message 3 minutes ago: re: being annoyed when first paragraph. It's not, it's in an <aside>. I suggest you file a feature request with your feed reader to add better designed support for <aside> elements. http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-02-18/line/1455827212960
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aaronpk i just timed it, and it took 35 seconds to read that post. so maybe I don't like the "3 minutes reading time" thing because it never actually reflects the time I spend reading articles
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tantek wow that's really fast
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tantek ok maybe I should drop it back down to 2 min
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KartikPrabhu I had around 1 min or 1.5 min for that
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aaronpk if I were not already familiar with most of the thinks hyperlinked, I may have spent 2 minutes interacting with it including clicking and skimming the links
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tantek right, that was my assumption
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tantek I do expect people here to read it much faster than the random person that may come across it
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aaronpk but how do I know "3 minutes reading time" has the built-in assumption of also clicking and reading things linked? ;)
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tantek aaronpk because clicking things to read later is typical behavior
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aaronpk i guess what i'm saying is i don't find that useful because I don't know what assumptions the author is making about reading times, so the time listed is pretty arbitrary from my perspective
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KartikPrabhu typical behaviour is the read headline and jump to comment something irrelevant ;)
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aaronpk KartikPrabhu++
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Loqi KartikPrabhu has 132 karma
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KartikPrabhu see the webmention article comments on register
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tantek lol KartikPrabhu. good thing I don't have a comment box :P
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tantek no I'm not going to read The Register comments thank you very much
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KartikPrabhu yup exactly!
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KartikPrabhu also putting reading times on a post seems to me to be saying "tl;dr"
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tantek OTOH might make for a good case study for why Vouch will improve upon "native" comment systems
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KartikPrabhu no one says "read in 0.5secs" on a note
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tantek KartikPrabhu: nah, having a scrollbar already says "tl;dr"
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KartikPrabhu and the scroll bar size already tells me how long it is :)
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tantek not really. could be lots of pictures :)
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cweiske aaronpk, the private webmention is gone: https://indiewebcamp.com/private-webmention#Aaron_Parecki
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tantek btw speaking of comment threads - this back/forth between Josh Russell and me on his public share of my "Going Silo-Private" post is interesting and touches on WordPress / community / "normal folk" challenges: https://www.facebook.com/thejoshr/posts/10156618246880245?pnref=story
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aaronpk yeah i'll have to restore that
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KevinMarks hm - http://fb.com/msg/indiewebcamp will open a messengre chat with indiewebcamp
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KevinMarks found via http://techcrunch.com/2016/02/18/facebook-messenger-ads/
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aaronpk since when can you private message pages?
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KevinMarks they want the customer support biz that twitter has?
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KevinMarks so tantek could register himself as a page and use it for hic contact page?
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KevinMarks apparently since f8 last year
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@fredho02 RT @aaronpk Great writeup of #Webmention in The Register today by @luxagraf! http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/02/18/remember_wordpress_pingbacks_the_w3c_wants_us_to_use_them_across_the_whole_web/ (twitter.com/_/status/700425833840840704)
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cweiske I wanted to add h-feed support to my tinytinyrss feed reader, but after reading the http://microformats.org/wiki/value-class-pattern#Date_and_time_parsing rules I stopped. this is simply not possible without using a library.
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aaronpk presumably you'd be using the php-mf2 parser, right?
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cweiske tt-rss's current feed parser is 282 lines, and supports atom and all rss types
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cweiske https://tt-rss.org/gitlab/fox/tt-rss/blob/master/classes/feedparser.php
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cweiske adding h-feed would mean adding at least 2k lines if you count the lib
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cjk101010 meh… implied properties are giving me headaches
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aaronpk what in particular?
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cjk101010 implementing the 2nd and 3rd level selectors by hand, e.g. .h-x>img:only-child[alt]:not[.h-*] or .h-x>:only-child>abbr:only-child[title]
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aaronpk oh in parsing? that's out of my realm :)
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cjk101010 yeah. there is no parser for elixir, so I thought ”žwrite your own.“ naive I was…
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cjk101010 well. tomorrow more. now it is bed time. gn8!
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mathpunk I've got static html questions, if anyone's up for fielding 'em
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mathpunk I'm trying to have MYSITE/posts as the url where my blog is
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mathpunk Just because, that's where it seems like chronological things should go, whereas MYSITE should be more of a masthead
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mathpunk but does that mean, put index.html in a "posts" subdirectory?
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mathpunk I think that I'm looking backward through history here; I'm trying to have the URL have meaning, but "URLs have meaning, they're not folders" is a newer concept, right, than "URLs are folders"
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snarfed mathpunk: kind of. they overlap.
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snarfed and yes, posts/index.html would work.
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snarfed in general, don't worry about the philosophy/semantics stuff too much, unless you really enjoy it for its own sake :P'
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mathpunk so for now, it would be okay to have my whole static site in a "posts" subdirectory, and later, I can put an index.html in the root that'll be my masthead
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mathpunk snarfed: "Enjoy" is not the right word; "compulsive" might be
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snarfed re the posts subdir approach, yes
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mathpunk rock
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@ComputerUpkeep Remember WordPress' Pingbacks? The W3C wants us to use them across the whole web: 'Webmentions' spec promises ... http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/02/18/remember_wordpress_pingbacks_the_w3c_wants_us_to_use_them_across_the_whole_web/ (twitter.com/_/status/700433219791925248)
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gRegorLove mathpunk: You'll probably want a root index.html with something in it at least, or else your homepage would return a 404
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snarfed huh. bridgy suddenly started finding and sending a lot of old instagram responses that it evidently never found
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snarfed i wonder why
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aaronpk huh yeah i just saw a bunch come through
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KevinMarks examples?
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KevinMarks maybe some encoding glitch on their end just got fixed
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petermolnar or maybe they are backdated ad-likes :)
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Loqi petermolnar: tantek left you a message 2 hours, 20 minutes ago: nothing so scientific. I asked benwerd to read it, timed him, then added 50% ;) http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-02-18/line/1455827124322
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snarfed examples: https://snarfed.org/2015-04-30_14089#comment-2597155 . plain vanilla likes from real people.
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KevinMarks hm. some kind of public/private account visibility thing?
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KevinMarks if tantek likes things on twitter, do we still see them?
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snarfed KevinMarks: i suspected the same thing too, especially since i turned on that whitelist for tantek last night (overrides the public post/account check)
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snarfed worrisome if that's the cause, since it definitely shouldn't affect other accounts, but i *think* the change is good: https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/commit/4449aa2bffa75f2a6089b6864796670bc21ad451
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aaronpk I don't think the likes I just got were from private accounts
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snarfed me neither
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snarfed but i can't tell if someone i'm following is private, on either web or app
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KevinMarks well, you can if you're not logged in/cookied
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snarfed ah true. silly though
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aaronpk yeah. I like how twitter shows the lock icon.
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KevinMarks yes, helpful
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tantek KevinMarks, what's helpful in particular?
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KevinMarks knowing when someone's account is locked, so you can consider that
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snarfed similar to G+'s warning popup when you repost a private post
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KevinMarks when I view your IG account, no clue that is it private
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KevinMarks as I follow you
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KevinMarks in incognito it says so
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tantek snarfed, G+ *lets you* repost a private post?!?
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KevinMarks I cna screen shot if you want to document it
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tantek please screenshot that and upload!
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KevinMarks to which page?
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tantek said warning popup
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snarfed tantek: sure, will add to my list
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snarfed and remember, FB and G+ aren't black/white private/public, they're shades of gray
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tantek KevinMarks: I have no idea how IG presents private vs. public
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snarfed so those reposts are usually (semi)private too
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tantek snarfed: more precisely, neither FB nor G+ support the /private-account feature
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KevinMarks I mean should I post to /instagram or /private ?
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tantek however both do support /private-posts
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snarfed tantek: right
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tantek as does Flickr
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snarfed my point is FB and G+ both have complex customizable levels of privacy per post
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snarfed not just "private"
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tantek there's an interesting variety of private / privacy models amongst silos, and it's far from clear what people actually want / like
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snarfed sure!
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tantek part of the reason I took this dive
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aaronpk if I have to temporarily shut down all the services I run for 30-40 minutes, what do you suppose would be the best time to do that?
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tantek aaronpk, I believe this is also the same question as the "what is the most inconvenient hour to hold a W3C teleconference" ;)
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aaronpk lol
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kevinmarks.com uploaded /File:instagram-private-follow.png "tantek's private instagram page on the web when viewed by a follower"
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kevinmarks.com uploaded /File:instagram-private-incognito.png "tantek's private instagram account on the web when viewed logged out."
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kevinmarks.com edited /private-account (+182) "/* Instagram */" (view diff)
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tantek aaronpk, I'd say ~00:30
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aaronpk pacific?
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tantek -0700
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aaronpk http://everytimezone.com/#2016-2-18,-210,cn3
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KevinMarks look at your traffic graphs
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tantek reasoning: if anyone has "things that happen at midnight once per day" it won't break those
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aaronpk i don't have one graph in particular i can look at
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tantek plus you stay out of the way of the 02:00 DST witching hour
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tantek and the Europeans are still having their morning tea / coffee / croissants
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aaronpk network traffic on the indieweb server is pretty much flat https://aaronparecki.com/uploads/Screen-Shot-2016-02-18-15-23-23.png
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tantek aaronpk: likely due to bots being 24x7
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KevinMarks look at edits?
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tantek unless you've inspected your UAs histogram and explicitly blocked the bad bots
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tantek human traffic gets lost in the noise compared to bad bots on websites these days
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aaronpk let's check webmention.io received mentions
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tantek it's yet another admin chore of hosting your own
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tantek we really need a clearn & concise blog post about all the meaningful ways that Webmentions are different from Pingbacks
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tantek including the strong microformats support that supporting Webmentions implies
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KartikPrabhu are all the ways documented on wiki?
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tantek not in an easily consumable form
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tantek or findable
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KartikPrabhu maybe that is step 1
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KartikPrabhu because popular articles link to the wiki often
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tantek (presumably smart) people keep dismissing it as, pingbacks failed so this will too
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tantek not realizing that 1. Pingback UX was *horrific*
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KevinMarks isn't that sil's post?
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KevinMarks http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2014/11/29/enabling-webmentions/
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aaronpk looks like slowest time on webmention.io is 11am UTC
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tantek 2. having to publish / parse microformats2 adds another layer of work for spammers, and that adds to the trade-off point where it's worth their effort (or not)
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aaronpk so 7pm pacific
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tantek uh no
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aaronpk opos backwards
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tantek 11:00 UTC = 03:00 PST
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tantek likely because of the Pacific timezone tech bias
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tantek e.g. so we can quickly answer tweets like: https://twitter.com/clemensv/status/700408204526620672
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@clemensv @jevdemon that's exactly what pingbacks for blogs were and it worked beautifully before the spammers showed up (twitter.com/_/status/700408204526620672)
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tantek pingbacks never worked "beautifully" ever anywhere
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snarfed.org uploaded /Special:Log/upload "uploaded "[[File:googleplus post.png]]""
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snarfed.org uploaded /Special:Log/upload "uploaded "[[File:googleplus repost.png]]""
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snarfed.org uploaded /Special:Log/upload "uploaded "[[File:googleplus warning.png]]""
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snarfed.org edited /privacy (+281) "/* Google Plus */ Warning when reposting a private post" (view diff)
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Loqi [indieweb] "Webmentions are beginning to pick up steam. We've supported them since the beginning: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/02/18/remember_wordpress_pingbacks_the_w3c_wants_us_to_use_them_across_the_whole_web/ #indieweb" by Ben Werdmuller http://stream.withknown.com/2016/webmentions-are-beginning-to-pick-up-steam-weve-supported-them
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gregorlove.com edited /Pinboard (+225) "Updated link/dfn, added Features section" (view diff)
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gRegorLove I'd forgotten that Pinboard was bookmarking links from my tweets and tweets that I favorite.
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gregorlove.com edited /Pinboard (+208) "/* Features */ Backup" (view diff)
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