#indieweb 2017-01-29

2017-01-29 UTC
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gRegorLove Howdy GWG
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GWG gRegorLove: What is new in the world of your website?
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gRegorLove Not much on my site other than a 2016 recap post of sorts. And soon to be writing 100 words a day.
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GWG What do you want to do?
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gRegorLove At the moment I'm working on an open source project for a dead man's switch. Automatically send a message you specify to people if you don't check in after X period of time.
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@100daysindieweb Day 39: Including a Featured Photo when Syndicating an Article #100DaysOfIndieWeb: https://aaronparecki.com/2017/01/28/14/day-39-featured-photos (twitter.com/_/status/825536788789813248)
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@ChrisAldrich Updating the getting started documentation for @WordPress at http://IndieWeb.org http://boffosocko.com/2017/01/28/updating-the-getting-started-documentation-for-wordpress-at-indieweb-org/ (twitter.com/_/status/825552000775499776)
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aaronpk apparently facebook videos have a "name" but it isn't shown in the list view, only on the permalink view
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chrisaldrich What is manual until it hurts?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "manual until it hurts" yet. Would you like to create it?
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chrisaldrich I remember a few people having this conversation the other day. How did they not create a page for it?
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KevinMarks_ manual until it hurts is an indieweb principle of resisting automation until you have done it enough times to really understand it, and know that it is worth doing
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snarfed is embarrassed to have coined that
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KevinMarks_ manual until it hurts << https://m.xkcd.com/1319/
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Loqi There was an error: Array
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KevinMarks_ Did I miss the window?
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KevinMarks_ What is manual until it hurts?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "manual until it hurts" yet. Would you like to create it?
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KevinMarks_ manual until it hurts is an indieweb principle of resisting automation until you have done it enough times to really understand it, and know that it is worth doing
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Loqi ok
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KevinMarks_ manual until it hurts << https://m.xkcd.com/1319/
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Loqi ok, I added "https://m.xkcd.com/1319/" to the "See Also" section of /manual until it hurts
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KevinMarks_ What to flesh it out, snarfed?
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snarfed KevinMarks++ your dfn captures it perfectly
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snarfed manual until it hurts << https://xkcd.com/1205/
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Loqi ok, I added "https://xkcd.com/1205/" to the "See Also" section of /manual until it hurts
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KevinMarks_ There is also the lean start-up thing of doing stuff that doesn't scale
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KevinMarks_ To understand the problem first
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chrisaldrich snarfed, care to take a crack at naming that too? ;)
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snarfed premature optimization?
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snarfed product wise
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chrisaldrich Maybe something with less thematic innuendo vis-a-vis the other one?
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snarfed nah familiar terms and analogies are powerful and useful
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KevinMarks_ manual until it hurts << http://paulgraham.com/ds.html
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Loqi ok, I added "http://paulgraham.com/ds.html" to the "See Also" section of /manual until it hurts
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aaronpk That's a great definition haha
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Loqi ahahahaha
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aaronpk KevinMarks++
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KevinMarks_ manual until it hurts << “Sometimes magic is just someone spending more time on something than anyone else might reasonably expect.” —Teller http://www.smithsonianmag.com/arts-culture/teller-reveals-his-secrets-100744801/?story=fullstory
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Loqi ok, I added "“Sometimes magic is just someone spending more time on something than anyone else might reasonably expect.” —Teller http://www.smithsonianmag.com/arts-culture/teller-reveals-his-secrets-100744801/?story=fullstory" to the "See Also" section of /manual until it hurts
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KevinMarks_ When I show webmention comments updating in real time, then explain how many computers were involved, it is like Penn and Teller doing their Blast Off trick
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@megarush1024 @Simon818 https://indieweb.org/ (twitter.com/_/status/825651933117575168)
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@chrisbergr Unfortunately it's not that easy to build a php #webmention-receiver from scratch! (w/o degree in IT-anything) #indieweb #pain (twitter.com/_/status/825672053663612929)
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hongpong good morning all - i would suggest tagging new releases for the new year on various indieweb libraries, a lot of them haven't been tagged since June even tho there are some new commtis
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voxpelli hongpong: that sounds odd, maybe add an issue on the projects you think should have a release and ask for one?
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GWG I have been making the rounds on my projects and doing bug fixes and minor updates this month. Webmention and Semantic Linkbacks had an update on their stable repository this weekend, the latter the first time in a year.
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@m_ott Done! ?? My website now has a basic weighted search. #IndieWeb #ownYourContent https://matthiasott.com/search https://twitter.com/m_ott/status/825735900038647808/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/825735900038647808)
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jeremycherfas What is weighted search
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "weighted search" yet. Would you like to create it?
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jeremycherfas No thanks.
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@ChrisAldrich @megarush1024 If you have a moment, could you add yourself to https://indieweb.org/WordPress/Examples (twitter.com/_/status/825767276062326788)
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@megarush1024 @ChrisAldrich Which section should I add myself to? I have full indieweb on arush.io and partial on http://customerservant.com. (twitter.com/_/status/825770774023827456)
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miklb__ what is h-feed
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Loqi h-feed is a microformats2 experiment with a top level feed object to contain h-entry posts https://indieweb.org/h-feed
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miklb__ hmm. not sure how to check my h-feed. My atom feed is validating
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aaronpk try subscribing to it in woodwind?
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miklb__ what is woodwind
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Loqi Woodwind is a minimalist open source indie reader by https://kylewm.com/photo.jpgKyle Mahan https://indieweb.org/Woodwind
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aaronpk sounds like we need an h-feed validator
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miklb aaronpk probably, this page https://indieweb.org/feed#How_To_Test doesn't address h-feed directly.
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miklb and woodwind is down
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aaronpk oh no really
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petermolnar check if http://pin13.net/ parsed it
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petermolnar the root item should be a h-feed with the items as children
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aaronpk yeah parsing is one thing, but interpreting the results of that is another. that's why the validator would be useful
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miklb seems like it? http://pin13.net/mf2/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmiklb.com
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aaronpk oh dear. looks like you're missing h-entry on the individual items?
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miklb hmm.
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miklb ^*&#$*&#)($* WordPress
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aaronpk ah it's all the little notes
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miklb wtf is h-as-article?
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aaronpk you have a bunch of <article> tags with mf2 properties inside, but because the <article> doesn't have h-entry, those properties end up looking like they're part of the top-level h-feed
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petermolnar miklb h-feed is an aggragator for h-entries
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petermolnar aggregator
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miklb better? http://pin13.net/mf2/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmiklb.com
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aaronpk yep but still missing a few things. there's no url property on any of the h-entrys so a reader won't know where to send the person to read the post. a bunch of the top ones are missing published dates too.
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aaronpk is trying to imagine writing a validator for this
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aaronpk and looks like you have a doubling of the "e-content" class in the notes timeline
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miklb ah, one of the IndieWeb plugins is filtering the content adding the second one
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miklb u-url for permalink?
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aaronpk yeah
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miklb brb, Textual is running at 100% CPU
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miklb \_O_/
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miklb aaronpk++
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Loqi aaronpk has 462 karma in this channel (1194 overall)
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aaronpk looking better!
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miklb at least bridgy is now parsing, so I'm not feeling so defeated. Need to tweak the notes section styling now.
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KevinMarks_ Validators are hard to get the messages right, as you need to keep track of the input lines too
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miklb yay, the same wrapper that was messing up the notes on the home page is what was messing up my replies POSSEing to Twitter.
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miklb but in a different template
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[dgold] cannot get rel=me working on his g+ thingummer
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aaronpk i can never keep track of the state of google's profile thingies and whether or not they include actual HTML markup much less rel=me
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KevinMarks_ They do include rel=me in the classic non-mobile view, which should be what crawlers see
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Loqi [indieweb] "Red Route: Do you really need Drupal for that? How to choose the right technology for your project" on 2017-01-29 http://red-route.org/articles/do-you-really-need-drupal-how-choose-right-technology-your-project
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