#indieweb 2017-01-28

2017-01-28 UTC
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[acegiak_net]
Other people who have developed feed readers: how often do you poll how many urls?
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tantek
hey it works!!!
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tantek
polling--
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Loqi
polling has -3 karma
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tantek
acegiak, were I to poll, I might do it 1/day
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acegiak
I'm trying to work out how to make WhisperFollow less process intensive
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acegiak
Maybe I need to re-look at making sure it's pubsubhubbub reviewer works properly.
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tantek
that makes sense
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acegiak
s/view/ciev/
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tantek
s/it's/its
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tantek
shows himself the door
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KevinMarks1
can you make it less process intensive by monitoring how much effort it is taking at a time, and doing it in clumps?
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KevinMarks1
if you have a websub/pubsubhubbub endpoint, you can poll that once a day certainly
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snarfed
[acegiak_net]: use an existing feed fetching service! they're generally all good and free or cheap. superfeedr, feedly, feedsapi, newsblur, google's, etc.
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KevinMarks
Is there a feed fetching service that does the Polling and sends you websub compatible notifications?
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tantek
KevinMarks: pretty sure superfeedr does exactly that
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[acegiak_net]
GWG: interesting. Currently I'm using a cron job
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[acegiak_net]
snarfed: I feel like feed fetching srevices would add more complication to what I'm trying to do rather than less?
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[acegiak_net]
though I think it's an issue of simplicity vs efficiency here
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[acegiak_net]
the simpler my code is the more heavy it will be
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snarfed
and for big enough users, heavy breaks entirely
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[acegiak_net]
yeah
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snarfed
a service will take more work up front but way fewer bugs/maintenance and scale better long term
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[acegiak_net]
and the thing is I'm expecting to see posts pretty soon after they've been posted
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[acegiak_net]
snarfed: until that service goes away?
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snarfed
but it is a clearer win for a hosted service than a self-hosted plugin like wf
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snarfed
[acegiak_net]: eh sure, then you port
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[acegiak_net]
yeah, makes sense
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aaronpk
Superfeedr is super easy to set up, it's kind of great
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[acegiak_net]
does it handle mf2?
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Loqi
Subscribers
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[acegiak_net]
awesome!
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tantek
really having trouble figuring out a workflow for reposting (or quoting) video from Twitter
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GWG
acegiak: I'm going to try to do a PR for the issue that pfefferle closed.
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KevinMarks
They are mp4, but you may need to fiddle about to get a url
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tantek
and to get a poster frame
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tantek
the entire process of quoting a video post is too hard
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tantek
ok had to search for a poster image elsewhere. bootstrapping content via Bridgy Publish and hotlinking is tricky. Let's see how this works.
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[kevinmarks]
If you do etag/last modified fetching you could subscribe to more than one websub update notifier and you'd only spend 1 rtt for the 304
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snarfed
!tell tantek hope you saw that bridgy publish can quote tweet now. https://brid.gy/about#quote-tweet
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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acegiak
GWG: cool! If there's a hook then I'll use that for my person tag plugin
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GWG
acegiak: I think it is better in the long run to make it more flexible.
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GWG
acegiak: I had the idea of doing something with webmentions to home and archive pages.
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GWG
acegiak: You inspired me. This should solve your problem: https://github.com/pfefferle/wordpress-webmention/pull/117
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[acegiak_net]
cool!
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[acegiak_net]
ugh. wrasslin with the new rest api system
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GWG
[acegiak_net]: What's wrong?
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[acegiak_net]
acegiak.net uploaded a file: Untitled
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[acegiak_net]
can't get it to pass the variables from the route to the function
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GWG
What are you trying to build?
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[acegiak_net]
rebuilding whisperfollow to use the new wordpress rest api
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[acegiak_net]
Ok! Got whisperfollow working with the new inbuilt wordpress rest-api
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[acegiak_net]
ugh. tumblr api, why do you suck so much?
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@jbjohansson
@malcolmblaney G'day Malcolm, bingo in same indieweb test playground. I'm Adelaidean & happens my sister in Brisbane https://webmention.rocks/test/22
(twitter.com/_/status/825321082110373889)
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@megarush1024
RTFM-ing indieweb docs again, and playing with micropub endpoints and Bridgy Publish. Share this:FacebookTwitter (http://www.arush.io/?name=43555
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@malcolmblaney
@jbjohansson great! Let me know if you're ever in Brisbane and want to talk #indieweb :-)
(twitter.com/_/status/825334701875343360)
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cdevroe
Good Saturday morning to everyone. Going to take another crack at adding some indieweb underpinnings to my WordPress powered site this morning.
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Loqi
cdevroe: tantek left you a message 2 days, 13 hours ago: take another look at https://indieweb.org/WordPress_with_Bridgy and see if it makes it any easier, and definitely speak up when you see steps that you've run into trouble with before
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cdevroe
@tantek Wow, this page looks amazing. Going to read every word over coffee.
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GWG
Morning cdevroe
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jeremycherfas
Hi Colin; long time no see, at least on ADN.
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cdevroe
Morning GWG and jeremycherfas
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jeremycherfas
Best of luck with WP and webmentions. Too complex for me, at this stage.
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GWG
That is the problem we are hoping to solve. I am hoping that cdevroe comes up with some suggestions to make it easier for the next person to understand
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cdevroe
I had webmentions working fine (I thought). But some don’t come through I guess.
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cdevroe
My first thing to tackle will be to get POSSE working
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GWG
cdevroe, dev version or stable?
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cdevroe
Of WP?
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GWG
Of Webmentions
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cdevroe
Oh, I don’t know.
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cdevroe
Whatever the plugin is.
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cdevroe
I didn’t know there were two
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GWG
pfefferle split Webmention plumbing from Microformat parsing
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GWG
Both have a Github release that is not in the WordPress.org repository yet
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GWG
cdevroe, that is a split I would prefer to remerge.
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cdevroe
OK, hopping into it right now. I had to send a propsoal.
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cdevroe
who works on Saturdays?
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GWG
cdevroe, weekends aren't as sacred as they once were
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jeremycherfas
What’s a weekend?
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GWG
jeremycherfas: Exactly.
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jeremycherfas
Actually, that’s not entirely fair. Weekends is when I do things I want to do, rather than things I have to do. But the things themselves are almost identical.
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GWG
jeremycherfas: I was more commented on blurred lines.
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GWG
Anyway, today for me, I have some non-Indieweb stuff to do, but I would like to do some Indieweb stuff
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jeremycherfas
Yup. All understood.
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Loqi
[indieweb] "Thanks for the kind words, Chris! It was good talking to you yesterday. I'm also optimistic about IndieWeb's future!" by Jonathan LaCour on 2017-01-27 https://cleverdevil.io/2017/thanks-for-the-kind-words-chris-it-was-good-talking
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cdevroe
This is a very specific way to word this: “Bridgy allows you to leverage your site's ability to send webmentions to trigger Bridgy to syndicate copies of your content “
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cdevroe
So Bridgy sends the request to Twitter/FB
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cdevroe
Not the plugin?
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cdevroe
I suppose that saves people from needing to create API keys.
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GWG
cdevroe: Exactly. The plugin is just a UI for it. I wrote the plugin, but snarfed is the maintainer of Bridgy.
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cdevroe
this is probably the biggest “ah ha!” moment for me in this document
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cdevroe
“Prior to beginning to set up Bridgy, know that it relies on some prior set up or installed plugins. For the sake of the details below, we'll presume you've got the IndieWeb WordPress plugin installed"
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cdevroe
Bridgy’s site doesn’t say that at all when you sign up.
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cdevroe
It may somewhere on the site, but not when you first log into it.
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cdevroe
I did not find this to be true at all…. “Bridgy attempts to be as helpful as possible in the set up process, so if you've got something missing or not configured properly, it will typically tell you what is wrong and include links and documentation for fixing them.”
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GWG
Well, the Bridgy Publish plugin, while snarfed noted his appreciation of it, isn't in the Bridgy documentation.
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cdevroe
When I tried Bridgy the other day, everything seemed to work. No errors at all anywhere. And nothing worked.
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GWG
cdevroe: snarfed pointed out to me the other day that my plugin wasn't returning his error messages
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GWG
I intend to address that in future. The error messages go into the PHP Error Log, but do not get presented to the user.
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GWG
That is a good first step, but not helpful.
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cdevroe
Yes, most WP people wouldn’t know how to find that error log.
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cdevroe
“most” Not sure if that is true. Many.
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GWG
cdevroe, WordPress lacks error logging of its own
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cdevroe
Believe me I know.
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@nsteinmetz
@elpep tu as regardé les réflexions chez indieweb ? Ils ont peut être des débuts / bouts de réponse à certaines questions ?
(twitter.com/_/status/825352412013662208)
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GWG
I will figure out something
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cdevroe
I would _love_ for this to work. About to post a status that hopefully also goes to Facebook.
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cdevroe
*crosses fingers*
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cdevroe
Trying to wrap my head around “syndication links”. It just gives me an empty box to type URLs into? Lots to learn over here.
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cdevroe
"Adds optional syndication links for various sites. Syndication is the act of posting your content on other sites."
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cdevroe
So… to a layman that may seem like "Twitter"
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cdevroe
But I don’t think it is.
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cdevroe
"Syndication Links by default will add links to the content. You can disable this for theme support."
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cdevroe
12 years of WordPress experience I have no idea what that means.
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GWG
cdevroe, Bridgy Publish automatically updates that box. So do several other plugins.
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jeremycherfas
From what I’ve seen around, I think it means that it shows, in your WP post, that it has been syndicated and where.
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GWG
But I am working on the plugin now, so I am happy to accept textual changes
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cdevroe
@jeremycherfas Interesting.
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GWG
Basically, theme support is referring to if you call it in your theme, so I can see how I can rewrite that
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cdevroe
GWG … “If your post is syndicated to other platforms such as Twitter or Facebook this plugin will automatically add links to those posts. Other plugins may also automatically add links using this plugin’s functionality as well.”
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GWG
I will have it in
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cdevroe
“If you’d rather this plugin not automatically add links to your content and you’d prefer to add these links manually using a function in your WordPress theme, disable this plugin and add <?php function_name(); ?> anywhere within THE LOOP” (with THE LOOP being linked to the Codex)
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cdevroe
GWG Btw, once I have my head wrapped fully around this I can send PRs on Github for updates like this.
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GWG
cdevroe, I would love that
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GWG
I am going to be doing work on the plugin, so some of them might end up in conflict today.
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GWG
But I will take a moment and update the README. I've drastically changed the settings page.
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GWG
It now has 4 display options, a setting to show on front page or not, etc.
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cdevroe
So, I have Bridgy Publish, Indieweb, Semantic-Linkbacks, Syndication Links, and Webmention turned on. Do I need anythign else for Bridgy to publish to FB/Twitter?
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cdevroe
That is the only thing I want to get working this morning.
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cdevroe
(Going flying in an hour)
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GWG
You don't need Semantic Linkbacks for that, but everything else...it shoudl work. I tested it. But if there are problems I want to know why.
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GWG
(Flying?)
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cdevroe
Phantom 4 Pro.
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cdevroe
And, a friend is bringing their Inspire 2. Another friend a Phantom 3 Pro and Phantom 4. Lots of gear showing up this morning.
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cdevroe
OK… posting
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cdevroe
Posted. No errors. Waiting to see if they show up
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cdevroe
So far nothing.
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jeremycherfas
I can’t stand the suspense
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cdevroe
GWG What do I check to see why it didn’t work?
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sebsel
well I get a 502 on http://cdevroe.com/2017/01/28/4378/, that's one thing...
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Loqi
Looking forward to flying today. I'll be sharing my flights via Instagram Stories starting in less than an hour.
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sebsel
oh, Loqi didn't.
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jeremycherfas
Sewems like it worked.
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Loqi
loqi has 54 karma in this channel (412 overall)
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cdevroe
@sebsel Hmmmm What could that mean?
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cdevroe
That is an odd error
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sebsel
I refreshed before I made a screenshot, sorry. But it had a text about a too complex request / page :/
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cdevroe
GWG It’d be great if the Bridgy Publish plugin would at least tell me the tweets were not sent. Unsure if that is possible with the Bridgy API though
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cdevroe
@sebsel I’m on WP Engine. Though, hopefully not for long
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GWG
cdevroe: That was snarfed's feedback. It should say in the error log, but he suggested I pipe that to the UI.
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cdevroe
I keep getting charged overages there.
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cdevroe
Should this page show anything? https://brid.gy/twitter/cdevroe
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sebsel
Yeah, the body of the response on the webmention you send to Brid.gy/publish has a lot of info.
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cdevroe
The VERY bottom looks like an error
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cdevroe
couldn’t find link
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cdevroe
Very useful information there. ;-)
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sebsel
this is very #indieweb-dev though :)
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cdevroe
@sebsel What might that mean?
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GWG
cdevroe: The dev discussions usually move to the #indieweb-dev chatroom
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sebsel
yeah, it works like this: you send a Webmention to Brid.gy/publish, Brid.gy checks for a link to a service, and then it publishes.
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sebsel
So your post needs a link to brid.gy/publish/twitter
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GWG
cdevroe: Either way, the link is supposed to be automatically added to the the_content filter...which works for myself, worked with miklb...
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GWG
That is basically 50% of what the checkbox does.
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GWG
So, I'm wondering why it isn't going.
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cdevroe
@sebsel I see!! I didn’t realize that. There is a checkbox on the Post screen for Facebook and Twitter. I didn’t realize it needed a link.
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cdevroe
GWB Based on what sebsel said. I may know why
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cdevroe
That bit of information he just gave is huge
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sebsel
It prevents other people to post on your behalf, for example, I see this as well and I have that button too: https://seblog.nl/temp/media-endpoint/469592-schermafbeelding-2017-01-28-om-16.10.03.jpg
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GWG
cdevroe: So you were using the brid.gy interface to publish, as opposed to just using the checkbox?
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cdevroe
@sebsel I suppose I just figured that only MY site had access to post through Bridgy as me.
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cdevroe
GWG: Do the plugins hook into the_content() ?
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cdevroe
GWG: No
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GWG
cdevroe: Correct. No other realistic way to do it. I suppose I could add the link to the HTML header, but...
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cdevroe
This is likely why
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cdevroe
PHP, incoming
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cdevroe
<article id="post-<?php the_ID(); ?>" <?php post_class( 'h-entry' ); ?>>
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cdevroe
echo '<div class="p-name e-content">' . wpautop(get_the_content()) . '</div><time class="dt-published" datetime="'.get_the_date('Y-m-d H:i:s').'"><a class="status-date u-url" href="' . get_the_permalink() . '" title="Permalink to this status update">' . get_the_date('g:ia \o\n F jS, Y') . '</a></time>';
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cdevroe
</article>
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cdevroe
Sorry for the paste
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cdevroe
But, that is my PHP for my theme
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cdevroe
I don’t use the_content() on status
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sebsel
lol, this is soo #dev :)
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cdevroe
sebsel: Please forgive me this one trespass on a Saturday morning
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cdevroe
I’ll make it up to you
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GWG
cdevroe: That would explain it, yes.
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cdevroe
Progress
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cdevroe
Thanks to sebsel
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Loqi
hehe
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GWG
I'll have to contemplate that use case.
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cdevroe
OK, so if I were to use the_content() on statuses the plugin would add the appropriate link (assuming hidden somehow) and Bridgy would see it and post.
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cdevroe
I do, however, use the_content on Standard post formats.
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GWG
cdevroe: you could also just apply_filters( 'the_content' ).
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cdevroe
GWG How are the links added, out of curiosity?
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cdevroe
I guess I can look at the plugin source
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cdevroe
But, will there just be random links on that page?
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cdevroe
In my content?
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GWG
cdevroe: Yes, but no text, so completely invisible.
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cdevroe
Understood
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cdevroe
<a href=“whatever”></a>
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cdevroe
right?
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cdevroe
What an interesting way to do this.
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cdevroe
I don’t think I’d ever think this was how it worked.
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cdevroe
Hence my confusion.
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GWG
cdevroe: https://brid.gy/about#publishing Exactly the way Bridgy itself suggests.
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cdevroe
well, this was a good morning of progress in my understanding of how this works
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GWG
cdevroe: Unless you call the syndication links display code directly, it also uses the_content.
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cdevroe
Yes. But out of context, when I read that, I didn’t fully grok how the plugin was doing that.
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GWG
I really wish WordPress would get a metadata filter placement.
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cdevroe
Thanks to GWG sebel tantek and anyone else that has been helping me.
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cdevroe
I’m getting there!
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cdevroe
I’m off to fly. TTYL
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GWG
cdevroe: You just gave me a lot of feedback I didn't even consider, so...
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GWG
cdevroe++
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Loqi
cdevroe has 7 karma
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GWG
100 Karma and you can redeem it for admission to an Indiewebcamp.
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cdevroe
sebsel: I owe you your favorite beverage for allowing me to spew dev stuff in here.
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sebsel
cdevroe it's ok :) glad to be of some help
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@kevinmarks
«Cette approche-là existe déjà ou à déjà été tentée. » -@elpep https://nrkn.fr/blog/2017/01/28/noir-sur-blanc/ #indieweb
(twitter.com/_/status/825368547064897536)
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Loqi
[indieweb] "«Cette approche-là existe déjà ou à déjà été tentée. » -@elpep https://nrkn.fr/blog/2017/01/28/noir-sur-blanc/ #indieweb" by Kevin Marks on 2017-01-28 http://known.kevinmarks.com/2017/cette-approche-l%C3%A0-existe-d%C3%A9j%C3%A0-ou-%C3%A0-d%C3%A9j%C3%A0-%C3%A9t%C3%A9-tent%C3%A9e--elpep
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KevinMarks
It's hard to quote a French essay at tweet length
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@elpep
@kevinmarks @nsteinmetz Absolument. ;-) Il y a de nombreuses pièces du puzzle fournies par #indieweb
(twitter.com/_/status/825380931422806016)
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sebsel
Oh, it sounds like a good first entry for https://news.indieweb.org/fr KevinMarks_!
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@pi1ch
fun #indieweb tidbit - could not renew my LetsEncrypt cert until I added memory on my Digital Ocean droplet. 512mb not enough apparently
(twitter.com/_/status/825387523186712576)
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miklb
false
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GWG
miklb: False?
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miklb
that tweet
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GWG
How is it an indieweb tidbit anyway?
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miklb
if hosting your own site & serving https is considered IndieWeb
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miklb
in other news, I think I need to rewrite my markup. I tried to skate, but still not getting the results I want.
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miklb
specifically https://brid.gy/about#link my syndicated notes w/out a link aren't getting the replies associated
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KevinMarks_
Good idea, sebsel
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KevinMarks_
It's a really good post, though it stretched my French reading skills
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@HongPong
If you're codey Subscribe to https://github.com/hongpong I am working on Webmention #indieweb at #sprintweekend #Drupal @Drupal_Boston right now
(twitter.com/_/status/825414068961959936)
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KevinMarks1
gillmor gang time
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@davidmead
Updating my old blog to the latest self-hosted @withknown version. Just want to see the changes a year has brought. #indieweb Syndicated…
(twitter.com/_/status/825422667713019904)
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Loqi
[indieweb] "Repost of Feidt, Dan Feidt  ◀️'s tweet" by Chris Aldrich on 2017-01-28 http://stream.boffosocko.com/2017/repost-of-feidt-dan-feidt-s-tweet-a458f77923
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miklb
anyone around to maybe help me debug Bridgy not seeing a linkback? https://miklb.com/687-2/ theres's a link to the original tweet, tweet has responses, however, bridgy isn't showing that the responses having a webmention target
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Loqi
[miklb] Deploying my 1st node app on Ubuntu. Is /opt the best place for the files? Finding very little info on subject. #lazyweb
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miklb
I've re-polled the site, but still showing last syndication link found 4+ weeks ago
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gRegorLove
Ooh, Bridgy supports quote tweets? Time to try it out.
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gRegorLove
!tell snarfed The suggested HTML for the quote tweets seems a bit off. Is it enough to wrap the tweet's u-url in the h-cite, with the rest of the original tweet in a blockquote?
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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gRegorLove
experiments
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gRegorLove
!tell snarfed Got "Twitter API error: 'unicode' object has no attribute 'get'" when previewing Bridgy Publish on the web (third time; first two previewed fine)
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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gRegorLove
!tell snarfed Ok, switching around my markup seemed to fix that error, but when I published it didn't quote the tweet, instead prefixed the quoted tweet with ">". This is the post as I'd *like* the markup to be: https://gregorlove.com/2017/01/i-joined-the-aclu-today/
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi
[gRegor Morrill] I joined the ACLU today and encourage you to donate. Send @sacca your receipt; he is matching up to $75K. We filed suit against @RealDonaldTrump's #MuslimBan ACLU and Other Groups Challenge Trump Immigration Ban After Refugees Detained at Airpor...
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gRegorLove
I ended up quote tweeting it natively on Twitter
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snarfed
gRegorLove: thx will look
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Loqi
snarfed: gRegorLove left you a message 15 minutes ago: The suggested HTML for the quote tweets seems a bit off. Is it enough to wrap the tweet's u-url in the h-cite, with the rest of the original tweet in a blockquote?
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Loqi
snarfed: gRegorLove left you a message 10 minutes ago: Got "Twitter API error: 'unicode' object has no attribute 'get'" when previewing Bridgy Publish on the web (third time; first two previewed fine)
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snarfed
miklb: what does your crawl log say?
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miklb
snarfed looking at it ow, didn't realize there was one
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snarfed
and yes gRegorLove that markup should be enough. https://indieweb.org/quotation#How_to_markup doesn't have a full example so i interpreted
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miklb
snarfed maybe it's having a problem with h-feed?
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gRegorLove
So perhaps if I explicitly put the p-name only around my comment on the QT
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gRegorLove
Guessing bridgy does some magic to convert blockquote to >
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gRegorLove
No h-feed on my permalinks. I don't think?
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gRegorLove
Oh, separate conversation.
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gRegorLove
Don't mind me
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snarfed
miklb: bridgy doesn't know where your permalinks are, only your front page. looks like it didn't find any h-feed or top level h-entries
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miklb
snarfed OK. at least now I know where t to debug. Thanks!
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snarfed
np gl!
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snarfed
gRegorLove: good point though, bridgy should drop the content inside the h-cite. mind filing an issue!
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@TerminalPixel
Day 26 of #100DaysOfCode: Fixed a small bug in my #indieweb micropub #chatbot It now returns the link to the post on creation
(twitter.com/_/status/825468626790592512)
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@jbjohansson
.@acegiak @malcolmblaney Hi, neighbour! I'm doing #indieweb topics on my @indiescripter protected (no spambots) account if you're interested
(twitter.com/_/status/825478938096857088)
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chrisaldrich
what is IndieMark?
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Loqi
IndieMark is a set of metrics for measuring the indieweb-ness of a site, and a step-by-step approach to incrementally adopting indieweb features on your site https://indieweb.org/IndieMark
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GWG
Evening.
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