#indieweb 2017-01-31

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@jbjohansson If you have Aussie followers please retweet. #indieweb #Brisbane #Queensland https://twitter.com/malcolmblaney/status/821936549566840832 (twitter.com/_/status/826219759465172992)
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KevinMarks ChrisAldrich++ for noterlive manual PR I only just noticed
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Loqi chrisaldrich has 11 karma in this channel (14 overall)
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acegiak I would love to know how to make pfefferle the primary. his fork is pretty much the main branch at this point
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acegiak I just created the original repo because it needed to be a separate repo from webmentions
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acegiak I think
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acegiak snarfed, I merged all of pfefferle's changes recently so mine is currently that+salmentions
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acegiak which I haven't had a chance to test with anyone yet
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GWG acegiak, email Github sipp
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KevinMarks1 is it time fro a salmention party?
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tantek KevinMarks: it's time to recreate SWAT0 since we don't have the original setup anymore
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tantek since it used p3kv1
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tantek s/used/depended on
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KevinMarks1 acegiak and I did try it with her site and my known a while back
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KevinMarks1 we should retry and log it, yes
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tantek yes it needs a real time screencast
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[cleverdevil] Anyone going to be at LoopConf in SLC next week, by any chance?
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tantek what is LoopConf?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "LoopConf" yet. Would you like to create it?_1
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Loqi totally
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KevinMarks1 woodwind is also down at the moment
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[cleverdevil] what is LoopConf?
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Loqi https://indieweb.org/LoopConf
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aaronpk what is LoopConf?
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Loqi LoopConf is an annual conference for developers who love WordPress https://indieweb.org/LoopConf
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aaronpk fixed it for ya :)
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[cleverdevil] Ah, now I see :slightly_smiling_face:
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[cleverdevil] Thanks.
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GWG I'm booked till March, sorry
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KevinMarks1 Noterlive.com updated with ChrisAldrich's manual link
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KevinMarks1 (wow, I hadn't deployed it in 9 months)
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[acegiak_net] KevinMarks yeah we should test salmentions once I'm not at work, it MIGHT even work for person tags this time which was the issue I had last time. I need to check the changes pfefferle made to webmentions the other day to see if that will work now
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[acegiak_net] Actually it's basically lunch time :stuck_out_tongue_closed_eyes:
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[acegiak_net] https://acegiak.net/2017/01/31/28652/
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[acegiak_net] Anyone who supports salmentions want to send me a reply to that?
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KevinMarks Hm, no webmention?
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Loqi [indieweb] "This has to be the most awesome Indieweb pull request I’ve seen this year." by Chris Aldrich on 2017-01-31 http://boffosocko.com/2017/01/30/this-has-to-be-the-most-awesome-indieweb-pull-request-ive-seen-this-year/
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@ChrisAldrich This has to be the most awesome Indieweb pull request I've seen this year. #Indieweb #DecentralizedWeb… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/826264544964124673 (twitter.com/_/status/826264544964124673)
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KevinMarks I got a 200 http://mention-tech.appspot.com
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KevinMarks But not seeing my post as a reply
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chrisaldrich crosses fingers and hopes noterlive doesn't die...
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tantek chrisaldrich: any news on HWC LA for the 8th? https://indieweb.org/events/2017-02-08-homebrew-website-club#Where
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tantek aaronpk - also for HWC PDX?
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tantek !tell Jeena is there a HWC Göteborg on 2017-02-08? https://indieweb.org/events/2017-02-08-homebrew-website-club#Where
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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aaronpk I'm working on it!
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chrisaldrich tantek: i'll try to get the details in tonight/tomorrow at the latest.
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tantek thanks chris!
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tantek managed to pre-book space at Mozilla for every HWC SF through June that he'll be around for (so far all but 1 or 2 AFAIK)
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KevinMarks Seems OK
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[acegiak_net] KevinMarks: I have moderated comments. I had to approve it
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KevinMarks Aha. Makes sense
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[acegiak_net] Just replied to you
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[acegiak_net] And now if I send an update webmention manually...
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[acegiak_net] That seems to have worked!
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[acegiak_net] https://acegiak.net/2017/01/31/28652/
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Loqi [Ashton McAllan] Salmentions test post. ?
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tantek heh
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tantek acegiak: do you moderate all comments? no matter who they're from?
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[acegiak_net] That's what I have at the moment
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KevinMarks I replied inline and re-mentioned the original. Did that get through to you?
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[acegiak_net] Oh. Looks like not. I'll check the log
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[acegiak_net] Hmm. When it's reading it's only picking up the first. Let me check that
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KevinMarks I haven't checked the markup known makes
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[acegiak_net] No it looks like the mark-up is good
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[acegiak_net] Trying to work out why this loop is breaking
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[acegiak_net] Currently wishing 3am Ashton had commented her code
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GWG [acegiak_net]: Leave 3am Ashton a nasty note?
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[acegiak_net] Yup
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Loqi [indieweb] "Comment on This has to be the most awesome Indieweb pull request I’ve seen this year. by Jeanie Aldrich" by Jeanie Aldrich on 2017-01-31 http://boffosocko.com/2017/01/30/this-has-to-be-the-most-awesome-indieweb-pull-request-ive-seen-this-year/#comment-33672
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Loqi [indieweb] "Comment on This has to be the most awesome Indieweb pull request I’ve seen this year. by Jim Pick" by Jim Pick on 2017-01-31 http://boffosocko.com/2017/01/30/this-has-to-be-the-most-awesome-indieweb-pull-request-ive-seen-this-year/#comment-33673
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Loqi [indieweb] "Comment on Owning my old Delicious Bookmarks… Sadly not today. by Chris Aldrich" by Chris Aldrich on 2017-01-31 http://boffosocko.com/2016/12/13/owning-my-old-delicious-bookmarks-sadly-not-today/#comment-33675
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@kevinmarks #indieweb changing noterlive to be more flexible about who it is citing is tonight's #100daysOfIndieWeb task (twitter.com/_/status/826299720624648192)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb which has the interesting side effect that it can be used for tweetstorms by deleting the own twitter handle in the '@' field (twitter.com/_/status/826300011524808705)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb and I can break the thread after this tweet by pressing the 'new thread' button (twitter.com/_/status/826300554301304833)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb which means http://www.noterlive.com/ is getting closer to an arbitary tweeting tool, though it still has a very cluttered UI (twitter.com/_/status/826300761327935489)
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[acegiak_net] Ok! Fixed the parsing of that second teply
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[acegiak_net] Reply*
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[acegiak_net] Turns out WordPress was detecting a duplicate comment and calling die or exit or something
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GWG Interesting.
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KevinMarks The threading is a bit odd - are they sorted by time?
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[acegiak_net] They're supposed to be but that doesn't seem to be what WordPress is doing. I'll have to look into that cause it's WEIRD
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[acegiak_net] Just realised I need to re-add my hook for sending update mentions when approving comments
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[acegiak_net] Thinking i should really make salmentions a separate plugin if webmentions and semantic linkbacks are
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KevinMarks1 I thought the feedback was 'too many plugins' rather than too few
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KevinMarks1 are the images not showing because known hasn't got file extensions?
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KevinMarks1 Content-Type: application/octet-stream
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KevinMarks1 hm
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[acegiak_net] Hmm. I haven't checked the code for the images
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@kevinmarks Day 5: Improving http://www.noterlive.com/ before the microservices summit #100DaysOfIndieWeb: http://known.kevinmarks.com/2017/day-5-improving-noterlivecom-before-the-microservices-summit-100daysofindieweb (twitter.com/_/status/826308776126881792)
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[acegiak_net] Can someone send me a reply post to this one? https://acegiak.net/2017/01/31/28654/ I want to see if KevinMarks gets an update mention when I approve the comment
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Loqi [Ashton McAllan] We can kind of fake it with manual webmentions on your end to a point.
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chrisaldrich acegiak: http://stream.boffosocko.com/2017/replying-at-ashtons-request-kevin-can-you-see-this
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KevinMarks though I don't know if known will show it
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[acegiak_net] weird that it's not showing up...
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[acegiak_net] worked once I sent the webmention manually
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[acegiak_net] kevinmarks you should have recieved an update webmention from me?
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[acegiak_net] if you can check your webmention log on known? I don't know
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GWG chrisaldrich: Did another run at Syndication Links. Still working on features.
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@kevinmarks @mala jolly good. See what indiewebify.me makes of it #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/826321625473638400)
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chrisaldrich I noticed this morning that the version I downloaded from Github last night didn't default to using the text "Syndicated to:" as noted in the documentation. Did it change at some point?
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[kevinmarks] No, it's hosted known so I don't have logs
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acegiak ah well
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acegiak I've tested the individual functions
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acegiak I wonder if I can scrobble the things I watch from my dlna server to my blog...
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cweiske what upnp server do you use?
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acegiak UMS
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acegiak I'm thinking of having a job scan the logfile
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acegiak I don't like having it do the thing where it moves files to a "watched" folder.
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acegiak not sure why that feels weird to me
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acegiak Though currently I'm just being grumpy at playstation for not providing any way to access a user's activity log
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acegiak so instead I've made it really easy to log games I play with my chatbot that now connects to matrix as well as IRC
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acegiak though that is reliant on the quality of the boardgamegeek search function so I have to know that entering "the last guardian" will get me Alpha Mission II which was also called ASO II: Last Guardian and that entering Toriko which is the japanese name for one of the characters will ACTUALLY get me The Last Guardian :/
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jeremycherfas Morning.
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@calum_ryan going to ? Homebrew Website Club London Feb 8th 18:00 https://calumryan.com/event/hwc-20170208/ http://indieweb.org/events/2017-02-08-homebrew-website-club #indieweb – all welcome unless POTUS (twitter.com/_/status/826387491037048833)
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Zegnat acegiak, does boardgamegeek do videogame search? I never knew!
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acegiak Zegnat: there's boardgamegeek, videogamegeek and RPG geek and then under the hood they are all the same database
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acegiak also: I now have a script logging the things I watch on my upnp/dlna server to my blog!
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GWG acegiak, how did the salmentions work out?
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[acegiak_net] I managed to get the base components all working but I haven't had a full test conversation yet. Also need to check how it interacts with person tags.
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[acegiak_net] Huh. Apparently my YouTube plugin isn't working
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GWG Is this the one that uses the response box in Post Kinds?
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[acegiak_net] I don't think so?
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[acegiak_net] This one just logs my YouTube history as watch scrobbles
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GWG There was one that embedded the video and used kses
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Loqi [indieweb] "@pfefferle And there in a small nutshell is both the power and the drawback of part of the movement, particularly on a platform that powers" by Chris Aldrich on 2017-01-31 http://stream.boffosocko.com/2017/pfefferle-and-there-in-a-small-nutshell-is-both-the
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@johnjohnston Enjoying reading this post about @manton2's http://micro.blog project, #WordPress and #indieweb https://wptavern.com/micro-blog-project-surges-past-65k-on-kickstarter-gains-backing-from-dreamhost (twitter.com/_/status/826478196761714689)
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@aaronpk I have high hopes for @manton2's http://micro.blog Kickstarter project! Today is it's last day! http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/manton/indie-microblogging-owning-your-short-form-writing #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/826480398280519680)
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tantek also backed, now to post about it
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Loqi [indieweb] "#100DoPP d12 I backed @manton2’s micro.blog Kickstarter. Less than a day to back it! http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/manton/indie-microblogging-owning-your-short-form-writing #indieweb" on 2017-01-31 http://tantek.com/2017/031/t1/backed-micro-blog-kickstarter-indieweb
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tantek hah now I have to add .blog to auto_link
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tantek oh snap it didn't post
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tantek er POSSE
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tantek oops something wrong with my char math!
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aaronpk that happened to me too! probably because it didn't count the .blog as a URL!
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tantek is twitter auto-linking .blog?!?
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aaronpk yeah
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tantek hmm ok so I have to fix auto_link first
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tantek that will fix my math
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@t #100DoPP d12: backed @manton2’s http://micro.blog Kickstarter! <1 day to back! http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/manton/indie-microblogging-owning-your-short-form-writing #indieweb (ttk.me t4mc1) (twitter.com/_/status/826495805481709568)
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tantek success!
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@tomwiththeweath backed @manton2's Indie Microblogging project https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/manton/indie-microblogging-owning-your-short-form-writing #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/826498938756792321)
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@Shoq MSM isn't our only problem. Facebook is too. @kevinmarks and @indiewebcamp laid out a path forward long ago. We just let the problem worsen (twitter.com/_/status/826500237745328128)
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Loqi [indieweb] "Comment on This has to be the most awesome Indieweb pull request I’ve seen this year. by andrea_r" by andrea_r on 2017-01-31 http://boffosocko.com/2017/01/30/this-has-to-be-the-most-awesome-indieweb-pull-request-ive-seen-this-year/#comment-33682
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Loqi [indieweb] "Comment on This has to be the most awesome Indieweb pull request I’ve seen this year. by NataliePatriceTucker" by NataliePatriceTucker on 2017-01-31 http://boffosocko.com/2017/01/30/this-has-to-be-the-most-awesome-indieweb-pull-request-ive-seen-this-year/#comment-33680
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Loqi [indieweb] "Comment on This has to be the most awesome Indieweb pull request I’ve seen this year. by Matthias Ott" by Matthias Ott on 2017-01-31 http://boffosocko.com/2017/01/30/this-has-to-be-the-most-awesome-indieweb-pull-request-ive-seen-this-year/#comment-33685
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Loqi [indieweb] "Comment on This has to be the most awesome Indieweb pull request I’ve seen this year. by @reiver (Charles) ⊼" by @reiver (Charles) ⊼ on 2017-01-31 http://boffosocko.com/2017/01/30/this-has-to-be-the-most-awesome-indieweb-pull-request-ive-seen-this-year/#comment-33683
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Loqi [indieweb] "Comment on This has to be the most awesome Indieweb pull request I’ve seen this year. by John Light" by John Light on 2017-01-31 http://boffosocko.com/2017/01/30/this-has-to-be-the-most-awesome-indieweb-pull-request-ive-seen-this-year/#comment-33678
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Loqi [indieweb] "Comment on This has to be the most awesome Indieweb pull request I’ve seen this year. by Amanda J. Rush" by Amanda J. Rush on 2017-01-31 http://boffosocko.com/2017/01/30/this-has-to-be-the-most-awesome-indieweb-pull-request-ive-seen-this-year/#comment-33679
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Loqi [indieweb] "Comment on This has to be the most awesome Indieweb pull request I’ve seen this year. by Sonia Astrid Solin" by Sonia Astrid Solin on 2017-01-31 http://boffosocko.com/2017/01/30/this-has-to-be-the-most-awesome-indieweb-pull-request-ive-seen-this-year/#comment-33681
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Loqi [indieweb] "Comment on This has to be the most awesome Indieweb pull request I’ve seen this year. by Michael Kirk" by Michael Kirk on 2017-01-31 http://boffosocko.com/2017/01/30/this-has-to-be-the-most-awesome-indieweb-pull-request-ive-seen-this-year/#comment-33684
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voxpelli ^ what happens there?
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aaronpk websub pings for all the comments
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voxpelli right, so the Superfeedr topic search to Loqi thing
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cdevroe GWG: I have some feedback re: the Bridgy Publish plugin now that I’ve had it installed for a few days.
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cdevroe @manton - Doubled my pledge for Micro.blog today. I hope you meet your stretch goal!
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[manton] cdevroe Thank you! (And thanks everyone for the links and support. Excited to work on this and help point more people to the IndieWeb.)
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cdevroe GWG (not sure how to leave you a message), but two main things I found that I can add to Github… 1) The plugin posts the content to Twitter/FB rather than a link back even though I have “omit link” as “never”. And, if I uncheck both Facebook and Twitter the plugin still sends a post to Twitter. Or, Bridgy does. Unsure which is the culprit. Let me know if youd like more information very glad to provide it.
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cdevroe That being said, pingbacks (or mentions) seem to be working. I just have to figure out a UI for them on my site. :) Happy
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snarfed hey pfefferle acegiak, i'm trying wp webmention and semantic-linkbacks at head, and webmentions crash and return 500. any tips on how to get a stack trace out of wordpress?
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snarfed er, sorry, moving to #indieweb-dev
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sknebel !tell cdevroe this is how you leave someone a message ;)
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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@100daysindieweb Day 42: New Sleep Posts from FitBit #100DaysOfIndieWeb: https://aaronparecki.com/2017/01/31/8/day-42-fitbit-sleep https://twitter.com/100daysindieweb/status/826531719616401409/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/826531719616401409)
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tantek what is FitBit?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "FitBit" yet. Would you like to create it?_2
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tantek what is sleep?
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Loqi sleep is a passive metrics post type that indicates how much time (and often a graph of how deeply) a person has slept https://indieweb.org/sleep
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snarfed acegiak: just fyi looks like the semantic-linkbacks crash is something in your fork that's not in pfefferle's. switching back to his fixed it.
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snarfed let me know if i can help debug!
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tantek what is microblogging?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "microblogging" yet. Would you like to create it?_3
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tantek manton, want to define that? ;) just start a sentence here with "microblogging is ..." (without quotes)
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tantek also
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tantek what is safe reply?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "safe reply" yet. Would you like to create it?_4
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Loqi [indieweb] "If all is set up properly, this will be the first micropub entry on my site. #indieweb" by dgold@ascraeus.org (Daniel Goldsmith) on 2017-01-30 https://ascraeus.org/micro/80314/
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Loqi [indieweb] "Embracing the IndieWeb" by dgold@ascraeus.org (Daniel Goldsmith) on 2017-01-25 https://ascraeus.org/embracing-the-indieweb
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tantek dgold++ nice work!
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Loqi dgold has 1 karma
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GWG cdevroe, will have a look when I can, working on the next piece. Will circle back when stable.
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[scottgruber] chrisaldrich Is there a homebrew club meeting or google hang out tomorrow in LA? I plan to do some writing for my website tomorrow night.
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chrisaldrich scottgruber, tomorrow is technically an "off" week for HWC in general with the next ones to fall on 2/8 and 2/22
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chrisaldrich If you're around though, maybe we could slap together an unofficial google hangout though.
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chrisaldrich ScottGruber, there's been a lot more WordPress activity in the last few weeks, perhaps we should have a virtual WordPress-centric HWC?
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[scottgruber] chrisaldrich Thank Chris. I’ve been doing WordPress at work and have learned a lot but for my personal site I use Perch Runway.
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chrisaldrich What is Perch Runway?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Perch Runway" yet. Would you like to create it?_5
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chrisaldrich [scottgruber] want to take a crack at it? ^^^
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[scottgruber] Its a cms, but could also be called a content management toolkit. Everything is structure content. Maybe similar to Craft CMS, but also different. https://grabaperch.com
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sebsel [scottgruber] You need to start your definition with the actual name :)
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[scottgruber] I’d be happy to start an entry. It would be url similar to this, https://indieweb.org/WordPress but https://indieweb.org/Perch right? Should there be a specific IndieWeb feature like webmentions or POSSE before posting? I’m using a twitter app to pull my tweets to my site as a PESOS, but have more to build out.
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tantek what is Perch?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Perch" yet. Would you like to create it?_6
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tantek scottgruber, I think what sebsel means is you have to start your "answer with "Perch is ..." (without quotes)
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sebsel Yeah, I read your reply as a definition. It might need some work, but if you just said 'Perch Runway is ... ' it would've made a nice stub :)
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chrisaldrich Perch is a content management system similar to Craft CMS that bills itself as "The original 'really little CMS'". It also has a developer version known as Perch Runway.
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Loqi ok
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sebsel what is Perch?
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Loqi Perch is a content management system similar to Craft CMS that bills itself as "The original 'really little CMS'" https://indieweb.org/Perch
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sebsel :)
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sebsel [scottgruber] feel free to expand! And add yourself as an example
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[scottgruber] Did a bit of editing and will add myself too.
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[scottgruber] Thanks!
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[acegiak_net] snarfed: Are you able to access your wordpress error log and apache error log?
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[acegiak_net] also is there a way to access #indieweb-dev on the slack?
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snarfed [acegiak_net]: yes, yes, no
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[acegiak_net] does anything get dumped into either of those error logs when the crash happens?
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[acegiak_net] (also my fork does throw a lot of debug lines into the error log currently, I know. I will fix once I know it's all working)
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snarfed i posted details in #indieweb-dev
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snarfed (not slack, i know)
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[acegiak_net] I'll jump onto an actual IRC client
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snarfed https://chat.indieweb.org/dev/
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tantek but accessible via IRC log
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snarfed eh no worries, i can't do much now. maybe tonight
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tantek acegiak: https://chat.indieweb.org/dev/today
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sebsel #indieweb-dev is in Slack too, but the bridge does not send messages back
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aaronpk some day
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[acegiak_net] Oh I see. It's just dev in slack
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acegiak snarfed: I don't get the error but this should fix: https://github.com/acegiak/Semantic-Linkbacks/commit/aa81307c491943ae4b803845d71768a4860a645c
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snarfed acegiak: thanks! i doubt that was the crash though.
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