#indieweb 2017-02-01

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KevinMarks1 what are safe replies?
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Loqi safe replies is a proposed feature for micro.blog to allow @ mentions but with abuse filtering of some kind https://indieweb.org/safe_replies
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KevinMarks1 tantek, if you want to redirect the singular?
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tantek thanks KevinMarks, done
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[manton] Thanks y'all. Still need to catch up on how the bot works. :slightly_smiling_face: And @KevinMarks1: finally listened to This Week in Google. Thanks for the mention!
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GWG Evening
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[acegiak_net] hi GWG
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GWG acegiak: How are Indieweb things?
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[acegiak_net] well I've got my media server scrobbling to my blog now
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[acegiak_net] so that's neat
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[techlifeweb] Experimenting with a Custom Post Type in Wordpress and it looks like webmentions aren't being sent when I use that Type
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GWG They should be.
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[techlifeweb] Yeah, I think so too. Investigating
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GWG I wrote the code that switched from directly querying the database to using WP_Query. It does filter private post types
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GWG We had a few issues with plugins modifying the query though
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[acegiak_net] OH
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[acegiak_net] APPARENTLY THE REASON MY PLUGIN ISN'T SCROBBLING YOUTUBE HISTORY IS BECAUSE GOOGLE REMOVED THAT FUNCTION FROM THEIR API
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GWG [acegiak_net]: I noticed that. We were looking last month.
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[acegiak_net] fucking hell
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[acegiak_net] I'm Livid
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GWG [acegiak_net]: What can we do about it?
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[acegiak_net] near sweet FA
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[acegiak_net] screen scrape the entire website?
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GWG Maybe KevinMarks or someone has a contact at Youtube they might be able to reach out to
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GWG I understand not being able to look at someone else's history...but your own?
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[acegiak_net] it's fucking ridiculous
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GWG [acegiak_net]: What is still left on your itch list?
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[acegiak_net] well currently: scrobbling my fucking youtube watches. Mostly it's all swat0 stuff though
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[acegiak_net] making whisperfollow nicer
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GWG How is that going? I tried it last when you first mentioned it, but that was a long while ago
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[acegiak_net] swat0? I need to do some testing with other people who can do salmentions stuff
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@bph I just backed Indie Microblogging: owning your short-form writing on @Kickstarter https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/manton/indie-microblogging-owning-your-short-form-writing?ref=thanks_tweet / Just a few more hours #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/826638716101869568)
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KartikPrabhu Loqi: messages?
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tantek woohoo! micro.blog has passed its 80k stretch goal! https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/manton/indie-microblogging-owning-your-short-form-writing
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tantek manton++
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Loqi manton has 8 karma
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Loqi yay!
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GWG Hello tantek
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tantek 8 hours left to go!
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tantek hello GWG! great seeing the updated back/forth about the WordPress plugin updates
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GWG tantek, pfefferle released the updates we've been working on since the summit/summer
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GWG And I have been working on updates to mine. And we've gotten some new participants at the same time
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acegiak hmmm
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Loqi [indieweb] "Comment on This has to be the most awesome Indieweb pull request I’ve seen this year. by Vicky Milo Schneider" by Vicky Milo Schneider on 2017-02-01 http://boffosocko.com/2017/01/30/this-has-to-be-the-most-awesome-indieweb-pull-request-ive-seen-this-year/#comment-33687
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Loqi [indieweb] "Comment on This has to be the most awesome Indieweb pull request I’ve seen this year. by IndieWebCamp" by IndieWebCamp on 2017-02-01 http://boffosocko.com/2017/01/30/this-has-to-be-the-most-awesome-indieweb-pull-request-ive-seen-this-year/#comment-33688
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acegiak I was hoping to find a secret playlist ID somewhere for my watch history but I can't find one
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acegiak and then I wanted to use python to just scrape the history page on the youtube site but that involves scripting my way throught the google login process
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acegiak *Grumpy*
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KartikPrabhu scraping is always annoying
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jeremycherfas I vaguely remember seeing something here that there was a way to connect brid.gy and twitter by putting an additional URL somehwere in twitter, but I cannot now find it. Any help appreciated.
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GWG Connect how?
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GWG You would need your website URL in your Twitter profile
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jeremycherfas I have a Twitter account that is linked to a WP account, but I also have a separate URL that uses Known, which makes it much easier to syndicated certain things. I can post from the KNown account to Twitter, but I am not receiving any back feeds.
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@bph Indie Microblogging: owning your short-form writing is popular on @Kickstarter! https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/manton/indie-microblogging-owning-your-short-form-writing?ref=project_tweet Support the #indieweb - 1 hrs to go! (twitter.com/_/status/826770864460984321)
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GWG And you set up Brid.gy?
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jeremycherfas I did, for the one “user”. For the other, I want to know where in Twitter to put the extra URL so that Brid.gy can find it.
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jeremycherfas If that’s even possible.
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GWG I think Twitter only allows one. But I haven't looked in a while.
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GWG I'm not sure of the solution for that
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jeremycherfas OK, Thanks. I know that with Instagram Brid.gy searches the website field and the profile. Maybe Twitter does the same.
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jeremycherfas I can try.
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GWG You should. If not, ask snarfed, who is the main developer. He would likely know if there is a way to use two URLs
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GWG I just don't see a place for it in the Twitter profile. I just checked.
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jeremycherfas Aha! Seems you can authorise two sites with Twitter and Brid.gy, by putting one in the Bio field. https://brid.gy/twitter/EatPodcast
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jeremycherfas Next I’ll try adding webmention support to the WP site.
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GWG That is more up my alley. I am a WordPress user
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GWG I can help with most questions on that
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GWG Good to know, re two sites. Probably should be in the about page if it isn't
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jeremycherfas Yeah, I’ll look in a moment.
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GWG If it isn't, we can file it as a suggestion
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jeremycherfas Not seeing an obvious place to put it on the indieweb wiki entry for Brid.gy
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GWG !tell snarfed Is there somewhere in the Bridgy About page where it mentions how to do multiple sites for a single Twitter account? Can't find it
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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GWG jeremycherfas: Add a section maybe?
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jeremycherfas Yup. Just skimming the Twitter page first.
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GWG Oh, and re WordPress, we were discussing recently that the setup process for adding Indieweb elements can seem overwhelming to some and looking for feedback on what confused people so we might try to do something about it. If you have any experiences to share, please do
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cweiske I once tried to setup wordpress with indieweb plugins
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cweiske installed "indieweb"
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cweiske then then I didn't know how to continue
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cweiske if I have to install deps manually
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cweiske or if they were installed automatically
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cweiske or what I have to configure to make it work
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GWG cweiske: We know. That is what we've been talking about.
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GWG cweiske: Problem is that WordPress has no dependency management
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jeremycherfas OK, I added a line here https://indieweb.org/Twitter#Reverse_Syndicating_At-Replies
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jeremycherfas I won’t be able to try for a little while, and when I do I will document my steps and difficulties.
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cweiske GWG, just wanted to tell my experience
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GWG cweiske, I know
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GWG cweiske, I did address some of your location issues.
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cdevroe I’ve got 19 comments (likes, retweets, etc.) to approve today thanks to GWG and Bridgy. Now I just need to sovle a few issues and figure out how to display those "comments".
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Loqi cdevroe: sknebel left you a message 16 hours, 57 minutes ago: this is how you leave someone a message ;)
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cdevroe @Loqi how do I leave a message?
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GWG cdevroe, how do you want to display them?
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sknebel cdevroe: sorry, I thought you'd see it right away
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GWG Oh, and it is !seen username
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sknebel the syntax is !tell <username> <message>
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cdevroe @sknebel Awesome, thank you.
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GWG Excuse me, what am I thinking
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GWG Wrong bot
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cdevroe GWG I will figure out the display for the comments. No worries there. Looking forward to that bit. The thing I need help on is; why does the Publish plugin just send the Title to twitter with no link? And, why does it publish the entire post on Facebook? And, why does it publish to Twitter even if I “uncheck” the Twitter box.
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GWG cdevroe, I have to see if I can reproduce the last one.
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cdevroe I can give you access to my blog. If that helps.
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GWG cdevroe, for now, just give me time to get back to it. It's been crazy lately outside of the Indieweb
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GWG If I need to see your setup, I will. I want to check the code first
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cdevroe Completely understand.
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cdevroe Very much looking forward to this working though, as I believe it wil help me get off of Twitter/FB more.
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cdevroe And help me to publish through my blog.
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cdevroe Which is what I want so badly!
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GWG cdevroe, me too. I wrote the UI because I wanted to get off SNAP
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GWG As pfefferle commented the other day, we'd both like Indieweb as a professional
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GWG profession
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cdevroe Patreon?
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GWG I think for now, it might not be enough to get someone supported full time indefinitely
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GWG I am also afraid that I might not enjoy it as much if it was a job rather than a hobby
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cdevroe GWG That is always the case I’ve found.
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GWG I like writing the plugins for my needs and expanding them so that others can enjoy them too
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GWG I am close to putting enough pieces together to change my workflow
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GWG My goal is improving the path I take when posting things
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GWG So in the Bridgy Publish work, I tried to support Micropub
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GWG That gets me a bunch of post UI interfaces
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cdevroe GWG Can you describe what “Omit link” means?
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cdevroe Maybe I’m reversing it?
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cdevroe I’ve updated my status pages to have the proper WordPress functions
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cdevroe http://cdevroe.com/2017/02/01/4383/
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Loqi Sick of vloggers calling everyone “guys”. And I’m a guy. 6:57am on February 1st, 2017
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cdevroe And p-bridgy-omit-link is there.
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GWG As defined by Bridgy in their about page, it means don't show a link
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GWG If it isn't omitted, it should show one.
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cdevroe OK, I took it as putting a link in the tweet
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GWG cdevroe, if you did always, that will never show a link
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cdevroe Show a link using the_content or relating to the tweet?
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cdevroe GWG I think you and I need to hop on Skype if we can ever find the time.
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GWG cdevroe, nights or weekends, EST
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cdevroe I’d like to add a hook here
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cdevroe https://github.com/dshanske/syndication-links/blob/master/includes/class-syn-meta.php#L300
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cdevroe So that I can display these links myself.
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cdevroe I’d much rather something like Jeremy has.
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jeremycherfas Not me, surely.
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cdevroe Haha. Sorry, Jeremy Keith.
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Loqi rofl
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cdevroe He has a very simple “Also on Twitter” link.
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cdevroe But it doesn’t seem like I can interupt the plugin to be able to display that on my own.
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jeremycherfas I knew that. @adactio is an inspiration.
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cdevroe Though, I suppose, I could use get_syndication_links to get them myself.
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@doweio Friendica and indieweb: development of the free web - http://stevedowe.me/?p=1081 (twitter.com/_/status/826798921410347008)
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[cdevroe] Trying out the Slack bridge.
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gRegorLove Good morning, indieweb
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aaronpk good morning!
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Loqi good morning!
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@100daysindieweb Day 43: Timezone Support for IndieNews #100DaysOfIndieWeb: https://aaronparecki.com/2017/02/01/4/day-43-timezones https://twitter.com/100daysindieweb/status/826833578130493443/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/826833578130493443)
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aaronpk yay i'm done early
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Loqi does a happy dance!
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[cdevroe] @GWG Is there an easy way to delete syndication links? They are metadata, so perhaps I can just find them and remove them.
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tantek ooh there's a HWC Berlin?
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tantek https://indieweb.org/events/2017-02-08-homebrew-website-club#Berlin
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tantek might there be one in two more weeks too?!?
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tantek https://indieweb.org/events/2017-02-22-homebrew-website-club#Where
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tantek wow aaronpk that's quite early to be done
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tantek sigh, that "Friendica and indieweb" post above is js;dr, and on WordPress too. That takes work (or are there now common js;dr WordPress themes that people are adopting?)
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tantek https://dowe.io/friendica-indieweb-development-free-web/
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aaronpk there are some wordpress themes that use a "visual editor" which ends up rendering everything via JS :-/
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KevinMarks Like those annoying blogger templates
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chrisaldrich Possibly sadder for the js;dr is their post: https://dowe.io/indieweb-wish-i/
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@sebastiangreger The attempt to start an #IndieWeb -inspired "Homebrew Website Club" in #Berlin - inaugural meeting on February 8th https://sebastiangreger.net/2017/02/homebrew-website-club-berlin-first-meeting-8-feb-2017/ (twitter.com/_/status/826845653066186752)
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@ChrisAldrich I'm tempted to perfect the concept of #IndieWebVacation for this @sebastiangreger https://twitter.com/sebastiangreger/status/826845653066186752 (twitter.com/_/status/826846228147163141)
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tantek sebsel: any chance of HWC BER 2017-02-22? I will be in Berlin then!
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tantek for https://www.w3.org/wiki/AB/2017-02-BER
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Loqi W3C Advisory Board Meeting 2017-02 Berlin
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sebsel tantek I've been in Berlin only once, and I think Nurnberg is closer, but it sounds good :)
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[techlifeweb] My wordpress custom post type still isn't sending webmentions. Must be an i undotted or t uncrossed. Have to work on it when the day job isn't in the way.
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sgreger tantek: sounds great. i don't see why this may not become into a regular thing (now indeed just testing the waters...)
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sgreger tantek: in other words, yes i see a good chance for a HWC on 22.2. (to be confirmed after next week's meeting)
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tantek woot!
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Loqi yay!
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tantek sgreger++
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Loqi sgreger has 5 karma
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tantek also
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tantek manton++ congrats on Indie Microblogging funding including the stretch goal for Safe Replies!!!
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Loqi manton has 9 karma
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tantek https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/manton/indie-microblogging-owning-your-short-form-writing
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@KeeganSLW Thinking about POSSE (https://indieweb.org/POSSE), student web publishing, and digital alchemy. #netnarr. (twitter.com/_/status/826852993194655746)
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tantek dislikes romanticizing alchemy as it was obsoleted by actual science
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@kevinmarks #indieweb trying out http://tweetscriber-app.herokuapp.com, which looks similar to http://www.noterlive.com/ (twitter.com/_/status/826856800511209472)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb this doesn't work quite the same way as it is a 2 step process to make the note and to tweet it - selectively tweeting notes lines (twitter.com/_/status/826857254947266560)
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aaronpk ooh i have exciting news
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sknebel sgreger: thanks for the initiative, already RSVPed in the wiki :)
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sknebel sgreger++
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Loqi sgreger has 6 karma
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chrisaldrich is waiting with bated breath to hear what aaronpk must be typing into chat so furiously that he forgot to hit send.
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@kevinmarks #indieweb also tweetscriber doesn't thread the tweets that you send like noterlive (twitter.com/_/status/826858938092179463)
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aaronpk working on it :)
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Loqi [indieweb] "Homebrew Website Club PDX" on 2017-02-01 http://calagator.org/events/1250471409
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Loqi Homebrew Website Club PDX on Wednesday, Feb 8, 5:30pm at Dreamhost
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aaronpk ^^^
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@ChrisAldrich @kevinmarks #indieweb Tweetscriber does have a nice UI. (twitter.com/_/status/826860508187938816)
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Loqi [indieweb] "@kevinmarks #indieweb Tweetscriber does have a nice UI." by Chris Aldrich on 2017-02-01 http://stream.boffosocko.com/2017/kevinmarks-indieweb-tweetscriber-does-have-a-nice-ui
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@ChrisAldrich @kevinmarks #indieweb I like sidebar with stream for the hashtag that allows you to pull tweets into your notes for archiving for later. (twitter.com/_/status/826860673741250562)
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Loqi [indieweb] "@kevinmarks #indieweb I like sidebar with stream for the hashtag that allows you to pull tweets into your notes for archiving for later." by Chris Aldrich on 2017-02-01 http://stream.boffosocko.com/2017/kevinmarks-indieweb-i-like-sidebar-with-stream-for-the-hashtag
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chrisaldrich aaronpk, so you called cleverdevil last week too? ;)
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aaronpk well he connected me to the pdx people :)
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chrisaldrich cleverdevil ++
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chrisaldrich cleverdevil++
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Loqi cleverdevil has 7 karma in this channel (8 overall)
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tantek chrisaldrich: nospace ;)
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chrisaldrich darn you fat finger
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@aaronpk Excited to announce that next week's Homebrew Website Club will be at Dreamhost! https://indieweb.org/events/2017-02-08-homebrew-website-club #indieweb #pdxstartupweek (twitter.com/_/status/826863077291200512)
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@ChrisAldrich #indieweb Oops, clicking Add Photo in Tweetscriber, seems to have sent the tweet instead of letting me add a photo. (twitter.com/_/status/826863115707023360)
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Loqi [indieweb] "Excited to announce that next week's Homebrew Website Club will be at Dreamhost! https://indieweb.org/events/2017-02-08-homebrew-website-..." on 2017-02-01
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aaronpk and now we're listed as part of portland startup week! http://sched.co/9ZkZ
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tantek nice work!
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aaronpk i'm going to something every day next week haha. i don't know how i'm going to have time for my projects https://portlandstartupweek2017.sched.com/aaronpk
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Loqi rofl
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@IndieWebCampDE Ein Homebrew Website Club in #Berlin? Oh ja! Hin mit euch, am 8. Februar im Betahaus Cafe, Prinzessinnenstrasse 19-… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/826865336532291591 (twitter.com/_/status/826865336532291591)
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[cdevroe] manton++ congrats on micro.blog funding
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Loqi manton has 10 karma
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[cdevroe] wishes he had a HWC to attend
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[manton] cdevroe tantek Thanks!
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gRegorLove [cdevroe]: I think GWG had a virtual, Google Hangouts one going?
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gRegorLove Mabye that was a one-time thing
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tantek cdevroe which city?
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sgreger sknebel: great, see you next week!
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KevinMarks You could start one, cdevroe
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gRegorLove Add your interest to https://indieweb.org/hwc#Up-and-coming_Meetings
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[cleverdevil] \o/
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[cleverdevil] happy to hear we were able to help out, aaronpk.
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[cleverdevil] looking to get even more involved, if we can.
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aaronpk yeah! thanks for your help!
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[cleverdevil] I'll be up in PDX at some point soon.
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[cdevroe] kevinmarks I think I’ll need to do just that.
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[cleverdevil] also, I owe chrisaldrich an email...
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[cdevroe] tantek I can get to Philadelphia, New York City and a few other larger areas pretty easily. But I think I should start one here.
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chrisaldrich thanks cleverdevil, I was just about to remind you... ;)
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chrisaldrich cdevroe, GWG, myself and some others occasionally do virtual HWC via hangouts if you'd like to join us.
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[cdevroe] I remember asking adactio if he would livestream one from Brighton but he pretty much told me “it is just people looking at their computers”. haha. I knew exactly what I was asking for! I just want to feel part of it.
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tantek cdevroe - where is "here"?
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[cdevroe] tantek My office is in Scranton, PA and I live about 20 miles away in a more rural setting
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[cdevroe] chrisaldrich I would absolutely do that!
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gRegorLove Dunder Mifflin HWC?
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chrisaldrich gRegorLove, beat me to it... LOL
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[cdevroe] gregorlove Never bring that up again
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[cdevroe] gwg Guess what? http://cdevroe.com/2017/02/01/4384/
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Loqi There isn’t a better opportunity to get things right than from the beginning. (Starting a new project.) 2:14pm on February 1st, 2017
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aaronpk ?
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gRegorLove Haha
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chrisaldrich cdevroe, Perhaps you might do both: use the virtual one to help seed/start a physical one. If you build it they will come....
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[cleverdevil] chrisaldrich: email sent!
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[cdevroe] I have a little more tidying up to do, but I got POSSE working and syndication-links
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[cdevroe] Now onto styling webmentions
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[cdevroe] chrisaldrich Believe me, I know. I’m part of every group you possibly can be for our area. :slightly_smiling_face: I’m confident I can get a HWC group going.
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tantek cdevroe, could be worse, I mean at least you're not in Odessa, Texas
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[cdevroe] haha!
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Loqi [cdevroe]: lol
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[cdevroe] I’m so excited everyone!
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[cdevroe] :slightly_smiling_face:
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[cdevroe] Now I need to get these comments to look good and make sense. http://cdevroe.com/2017/01/31/observations-about-flying-a-dji-phantom-4-pro/
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Loqi Observations about flying a DJI Phantom 4 Pro
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[cdevroe] Does anyone know if there is something that I need to change for Bridgy to include a link back to my site when I post a regular blog post?
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[cdevroe] Or, if my status is too long?
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tantek I think that's the default - you have to do something to get Bridgy to NOT do that
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[cdevroe] Whatever “that” is I guess I accidentally did it.
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[cdevroe] Perhaps I need p-url on the permalink and I do not.
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[cdevroe] Is this the official HWC url? https://indieweb.org/next-hwc
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martymcguire[m] cdevroe: that internally redirects to the next HWC date
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[cdevroe] I do have p-url on the permalink. So that isn’t it.
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[cdevroe] Trying to find a URL to direct people to. Should they wonder what this event is.
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snarfed [cdevroe]: https://brid.gy/about#omit-link . tantek is right; i'm guessing you're seeing a bug (or something) with the bridgy wp plugin
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Loqi snarfed: GWG left you a message 6 hours, 27 minutes ago: Is there somewhere in the Bridgy About page where it mentions how to do multiple sites for a single Twitter account? Can't find it
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martymcguire[m] cdevroe: i typically use https://indieweb.org/HWC
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[cdevroe] snarfed Thank you. I have it set to “Never” in the WP Plugin.
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miklb [cdevroe] you probably want "maybe" as your default then.
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snarfed GWG: yes, https://brid.gy/about#profile-links
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snarfed [cdevroe]: try previewing it on your bridgy user page. if it includes the link there, then it's the plugin
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[cdevroe] snarfed Good tip
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[cdevroe] snarfed It does… does it automatically create the wp.me link? I’d rather it not.
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[cdevroe] That may be JetPack
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[cdevroe] I can probably turn that off.
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snarfed yeah, your HTML has <link rel='shortlink' href='http://wp.me/4w5o' /> in its header, which bridgy honors
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aaronpk nice touch
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[cdevroe] Jetpack does too much
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miklb I think there's also a setting in the bridgy plugin about using shortlinks
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snarfed also looking at https://brid.gy/twitter/cdevroe#publishes , looks like the plugin told bridgy to publish your home page (via a wp.me link), not a post page, which may behave oddly in other ways too
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snarfed bridgy prevents that but evidently not through a short link. will file a bug
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snarfed cc GWG
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[cdevroe] mikirk It does, “Send Shortlinks instead of Full URL” which is not checked in my case. (But it did it anyway)
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[cdevroe] Well, I guess it didn’t “send” a shortlink. So much as Bridgy captured the shortlink when it parsed my HTML.
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snarfed right
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snarfed actually no it did send the shortlink
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snarfed https://brid.gy/log?start_time=1485976492&key=aglzfmJyaWQtZ3lyOgsSDVB1Ymxpc2hlZFBhZ2UiE2h0dHA6Ly9jZGV2cm9lLmNvbS8MCxIHUHVibGlzaBiAgICAgLmECgw
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[cdevroe] OK, I’ll turn that off
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[cdevroe] no, wait
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[cdevroe] It is off!
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[cdevroe] That is the problem when checkboxes instead of radio buttons
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snarfed right. file a bug w/the plugin?
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[cdevroe] What is off?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "off" yet. Would you like to create it?_A
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[cdevroe] What is the meaning of life?
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Loqi The Answer to the Ultimate Question of Life, The Universe, and Everything is … 42 https://indieweb.org/meaning_of_life
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[cdevroe] Perfect answer Loqi
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[cdevroe] snarfed I believe GWG is in the middle of a rewrite of sorts.
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snarfed rewriting--
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snarfed even so, can do that in a branch and still fix bugs in parallel
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[cdevroe] snarfed My quandary, so far, has been that I don’t know if what I’ve encountered is a bug or not since I’m still wrapping my head around what the intent is.
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[cdevroe] So far, the intent has been the direct opposite of what I expected to happen.
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[cdevroe] But I’ve been giving GWG feedback throughout my experience.
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snarfed understood! thanks for sticking with it
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snarfed filed https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/724
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[cdevroe] As an example; I totally thought that Bridgy Publish would post my content to Twitter/FB. I didn’t expect it to simply place the appropriate HTML in my e-content for Bridgy to come and sniff out and that Bridgy would then send that information onto the silos. That alone switched how I was thinking about every piece of this.
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snarfed understood!
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chrisaldrich [cdevroe]: if you prefer, you could handwrite the html links into your post to get it to do what you want it to do (instead of using the Bridgy Publish plugin) as that's what the plugin is doing on your behalf. It could be a good test to see if you're getting the results you want while also helping to track down any bugs in the plugin.
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chrisaldrich As I understand it, you (or bridgy publish plugin) are adding html to your post which then sends a webmention to the Bridgy site that then publishes the content on your behalf.
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snarfed honestly if you're POSSEing via a CMS like wordpress, bridgy publish isn't the ideal tool, due to exactly this problem. more: https://snarfed.org/2015-11-29_keep-bridgy-publish-dumb#Like+the+rest
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Loqi [Ryan Barrett] Keep Bridgy Publish dumb
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snarfed (er, nm that fragment, read from the beginning)
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GWG Catching up
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GWG cdevroe, I would just call the function.
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GWG cdevroe, or the data version to just get the unstyled links
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KevinMarks Cdevroe you may want u-url not p-url
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GWG cdevroe, in the post UI there is a box
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GWG cdevroe, I am happy to do anything HWC or IWC in NYC
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KevinMarks You do have u-url, so that's ok
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GWG And cdevroe, I love Scranton. Steamtown, coal mine museum
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GWG I am rewriting all my plugins one by one. They all need love
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chrisaldrich loves GWGs plugins... ;)
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GWG snarfed, sorry I missed that line in the about... I was looking for a visitor this morning
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GWG Maybe we need a silo
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GWG a silo.pub WordPress plugin
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KevinMarks1 https://twitter.com/tlhunter/status/826515686763614208
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@tlhunter Great graphic on early stages of container adoption. #msvsummit https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C3hfmhUUEAAlsym.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/826515686763614208)
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snarfed GWG: my arguments in that post all apply to silo.pub too
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tantek oops I forgot to tag my #100DoPP post for today
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tantek I suppose that means I have to come up with another one
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GWG snarfed, so what would you suggest? Other than manual POSSE
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snarfed GWG: read the post :P
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@belong_io events/2017-02-08-homebrew-website-club - IndieWeb https://indieweb.org/events/2017-02-08-homebrew-website-club (twitter.com/_/status/826886304268972033)
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GWG I did. Still trying to figure out what I might do
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GWG I have a setting that allows specifying the tweet in the Bridgy Publish plugin. But for obvious design reasons, that is problematic.
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[cdevroe] GWG That is exactly what I did. re: data function — code forthcoming via Github
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GWG cdevroe, which?
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snarfed GWG++ still glad your plugin exists! honestly i'd suggest just fixing bugs and polishing, *not* rewriting
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snarfed e.g. it published cdevroe's shortlink even though he had that option turned off. (details in irc log)
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GWG snarfed, that is my plan. I already did the mo
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GWG re intensive rewrite
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GWG snarfed, I noticed. I am missing something there
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GWG The rewrite I have been doing is of the options
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[cdevroe] GWG Believe me, I’m happy to be so much closer than I was just a few days ago.
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GWG I rethought them in all plugins
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GWG For example, Syndication Links now has a customizable size for the icons even though it could be set in CSS
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[cdevroe] Adjusted JetPack ;;; shouldn’t have shortlinks anymore.
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[cdevroe] I see no reason for them any longer. Twitter doesn’t count URLs towards the character count.
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snarfed [cdevroe]: not true afaik
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[cdevroe] srsly?
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snarfed they've been waffling on that a lot, still largely not rolled out
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[cdevroe] They are one big waffle over there.
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tantek cdevroe they still cost 23 chars per URL
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tantek and that's just twitter
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tantek see also
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snarfed and afaik the changes never included arbitrary urls, just photos and maybe quote tweets
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tantek what is a permashortlink?
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Loqi A permashortlink (abbreviated PSL) is a URL using a short-domain that expands to a permalink; on the IndieWeb, PSLs use personal short domains to expand to the same person's personal domain, thus minimizing the fragility often associated with shortlinks https://indieweb.org/permashortlink
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GWG I am just happy that I am getting so much great feedback.
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tantek in particular https://indieweb.org/permashortlink#Why
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[cdevroe] tantek Thanks. Looks like I’ll need to find a tiny domain name.
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GWG I wish I had more time to fix things
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tantek cdevroe, it's not a need per se, but there are some niceties about it
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chrisaldrich GWG, does Bridgy Publish plugin support the (wp.me XYXY) (nonlinked) back link for link discovery?
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chrisaldrich when POSSEing to Twitter, I mean?
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[cdevroe] @GWG My super quick function, based on your code, for getting the syndication links in a clean way that I can then display as I’d like on my site: https://github.com/cdevroe/wp-cdevroe/blob/master/functions.php#L34
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[cdevroe] Will likely clean it up a little. Now that I’m looking at how ugly it is.
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chrisaldrich that could certainly cut down on the Twitter URL tax.
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voxpelli chrisaldrich: creates a dependence on wp.me though
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chrisaldrich though now that I look at it, it doesn't save much: https://twitter.com/ChrisAldrich/status/816512275272056832
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@ChrisAldrich Any recipe for an apple pie that calls for less than 2 grams of cinnamon per pie is just laughable. (wp.me p4yWq5-3LDfl) (twitter.com/_/status/816512275272056832)
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GWG Chrisaldrich, it uses get shortlink, so whatever WordPress provides. If overridden by a filter that would be wp.me
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chrisaldrich wp.me short urls aren't that short anymore... 20 chars including the ()!!
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GWG cdevroe, the settings should allow for a simple display like that.
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aaronpk short URLs stopped mattering for anything except print/SMS once twitter started doing t.co
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[cdevroe] GWG Cleaned up https://github.com/cdevroe/wp-cdevroe/blob/master/functions.php#L34
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chrisaldrich neologism: shrlong URLs... short urls that over time and massive use have managed to become long again....
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GWG cdevroe, so you just want p instead of ul?
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[cdevroe] GWG The HTML that returned from the plugin was a bit malformed (in my opinion). Such as “text before” showing up within <ul> but not in a <li>. So I nixed that.
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GWG cdevroe, the development version is what I am working on this week. I should fix the bugs and release stable in a few days
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GWG Thank you for telling me about the HTML. Will fix tonight.
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GWG I have an idea about p vs li too
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GWG cdevroe, I will divide the function a bit so you can more easily change that
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[cdevroe] Perhaps the function would be modeled after the_tags or the_categories
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[cdevroe] So the_syndication_links would be structured very similarly to the_tags
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GWG cdevroe, exactly
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[cdevroe] In that there are options for how to split the values, what the separator is, whether or not it is echoed, etc.
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GWG What I was thinking
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[cdevroe] Excellent.
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GWG Also, for the next release, I think I will develop in a branch
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[cdevroe] snarfed You work quickly my friend.
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snarfed heh
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[cdevroe] GWG, if you want to push that branch to gh I can lend a hand when I pop in
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GWG cdevroe. I am developing in master, but that does affect PRs while I am making rapid changes. so I should change my behavior
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[cdevroe] GWG Yes, always good to branch so that you keep that muscle memory for projects that really need it.
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GWG I branch when I am contribing to others
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[cdevroe] I follow my workflow regardless. Even for my own personal projects.
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[cdevroe] It is official, I’m hosting Scranton’s first HWC - https://indieweb.org/events/2017-02-08-homebrew-website-club#Where - tantek
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GWG cdevroe, that is what I just decided I would start
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martymcguire[m] cdevroe++ for starting Scranton HWC! congrats!
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[cdevroe] Thank you!
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[cdevroe] sadface
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[cdevroe] No link, and no “links” in the post (which I didn’t expect) https://www.facebook.com/cdevroe/posts/10158228483280370
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[cdevroe] But that is why I want it to link back to my site.
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[cdevroe] I can’t imagine wanting to post full content to Facebook ever actually.
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[cdevroe] https://twitter.com/cdevroe/status/826895017109229578
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@cdevroe Scranton’s first Homebrew Website Club: http://cdevroe.com/?p=4386 (twitter.com/_/status/826895017109229578)
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[cdevroe] This worked, though
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[cdevroe] Yay!
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[cdevroe] One down, one to go!
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Loqi woot
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[cdevroe] Maybe I need my thinking corrected re: Facebook
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[cdevroe] chrisaldrich I just had to pull your webmentions out of spam, fyi - unsure why. Perhaps WordPress is too aggressive.
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petermolnar GWG a long while ago I started writing a posse plugin based on Keyring but never got to a working version
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petermolnar I can still say that for WP, that probably would be the best way to deal with POSSE; Keyring is a solid base for these things
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petermolnar a PESOS plugin exists already, it only needs inverting :D https://wordpress.org/plugins/keyring-social-importers/
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chrisaldrich [cdevroe] yes, akismet is pretty aggressive on them for some odd reason; try filing something to https://github.com/pfefferle/wordpress-webmention/issues/87
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chrisaldrich GWG had someone he was talking to to help improve them on akismet's side
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chrisaldrich I keep meaning to look further into Keyring as Beau has been adding some interesting things lately: https://beau.blog/2017/01/people-places/
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snarfed this works:
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snarfed return $commentdata['comment_type'] == 'webmention' ? 1 : $approved;
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snarfed add_filter('pre_comment_approved', 'unspam_webmentions', '99', 2);
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snarfed }
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snarfed function unspam_webmentions($approved, $commentdata) {
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[cdevroe] I certainly do not want them approved.
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[cdevroe] But, wouldn’t mind them being in a queue.
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[cdevroe] I don’t mind though, a good problem to have!
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snarfed [cdevroe]: out of curiosity, why not? as far as we all know, no one has seen a single native webmention spam in the wild yet, anywhere, ever
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snarfed it'll happen, but in the meantime, this is pretty convenient
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[cdevroe] snarfed True. I guess I’m still afraid from the trackback days.
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[cdevroe] When I used to get 1,000 TBs from Technorati crawlers. Remember those tantek :wink:
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[cdevroe] btw, these types of posts show why a link on Facebook would be much more valueable: https://www.facebook.com/cdevroe/posts/10158228540095370?pnref=story
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[cdevroe] Maybe I can modify the plugin until GWG gets a fix in
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chrisaldrich I meant to cut and paste that into /WordPress_with_Bridgy, sorry [cdevroe]: here's an easier cut/paste version: https://indieweb.org/WordPress_with_Bridgy#Spam
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chrisaldrich it'll make it easier for snarfed in the future to since I've seen him post it at least 4 times...
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snarfed btw [cdevroe] for wp sites, comment spam has pretty much entirely replaced trackback spam. https://snarfed.org/wordpress-spam-statistics-comments-pingbacks-trackbacks
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Loqi [Ryan Barrett] WordPress spam statistics: comments, pingbacks, trackbacks
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[cdevroe] GWG++
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Loqi slow down!
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[cdevroe] Slow down? Pfft.
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[cdevroe] I wanted to give everyone that helped me so far karma. Really appreciate the help. Besides the Facebook link I am really happy where I am so far.
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snarfed [cdevroe]++ yay
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chrisaldrich Be sure to leave your customer service feedback at https://indieweb.org/WordPress_Outreach_Club#Requests :)
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[cdevroe] chrisaldrich Did you get a webmention from this? http://cdevroe.com/2017/02/01/chris-aldrich-on-instagram-pressure/
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Loqi Chris Aldrich on Instagram pressure
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chrisaldrich doesn't look like it; though perhaps still travelling through the interwebs??
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[cdevroe] Hmm. I know it is _supposed_ to send the webmention.
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Loqi [indieweb] "WP Tavern über Micro.blog" by Matthias Pfefferle on 2017-02-01 http://notiz.blog/2017/02/01/wp-tavern-ueber-micro-blog/
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chrisaldrich cdevroe, one of the other things that you can do with Bridgy Publish when you do it manually is to send the in-reply-to so that your twitter reply gets properly linked to the original twitter conversation rather than a standalone tweet (https://twitter.com/cdevroe/status/826519305852444673)
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@cdevroe Instagram pressure http://cdevroe.com/2017/01/31/instagram-pressure/ (twitter.com/_/status/826519305852444673)
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chrisaldrich though personally in those cases I usually find it's easier to just manually POSSE to twitter.
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tantek cdevroe++ for HWC Scranton! (wow!)
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[cdevroe] chrisaldrich I shall have to learn how to do that!
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chrisaldrich can you feel the exponential growth yet tantek?
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tantek chrisaldrich, I shall have to make a graph :)
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[cdevroe] My guess is that the first HWC will bring about 6 new people to indieweb.
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[cdevroe] Not bad.
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[cdevroe] Little by little. Inch by inch.
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chrisaldrich What is IndieGraph?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "IndieGraph" yet. Would you like to create it?_B
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chrisaldrich Can I tantek tantek?^^
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tantek what is a sparkline?
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Loqi A sparkline is a small, simple, data-dense graphic with typographic resolution that is shown inline and in-context with relevant text https://indieweb.org/sparkline
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tantek :P
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chrisaldrich LOL!
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chrisaldrich And even funnier since you actually created that page...
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Loqi [indieweb] "WP Tavern über Micro.blog" by Matthias Pfefferle on 2017-02-01 http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/notizblog/~3/UDglpFzZCtQ/
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gRegorLove What is tanteking?
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Loqi Tantek-ing is a method of encouraging people to contribute to the wiki by indirectly prompting the person who first mentioned the term to create a short wiki dfn page for it https://indieweb.org/tanteking
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[kevinmarks] Did someone find a way to backdate tweets? Take a look at . (@beyoncefan666): https://twitter.com/beyoncefan666?s=09
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[kevinmarks] Or is this the "tweet both predictions while the account is private, delete incorrect one later" trick?
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aaronpk Oh that's clever
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aaronpk Check the tweet ID because from what i understand they're somewhat sequential
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tantek archive.org should defeat that
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tantek what is m.me?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "m.me" yet. Would you like to create it?_C
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tantek a-ha, archive.org has only crawled that twitter account *today*
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tantek so yeah, I bet it was private before then
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tantek what is tinyletter?
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Loqi TinyLetter is a service to organize email newsletters, with an optional blog-like web archive https://indieweb.org/TinyLetter
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tantek what is export?
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Loqi export in the context of the indieweb refers to the ability to download some or all of your data from a site, typically from a silo, though also for CMS or site migration https://indieweb.org/export
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tantek can't remember what the phrasing was we settled on for "how to export"
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Loqi [indienews/de] New post: http://notiz.blog/2017/02/01/wp-tavern-ueber-micro-blog/
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tantek what is ownyourdata
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Loqi own your data is one of the principles of the IndieWeb and is an encouragement to always post content directly to your own domain with permalinks that you control instead of posting to silos (or only posting copies of your posts to silos per POSSE, and if so, preferably both automatically & with permashortlinks back to your original posts) https://indieweb.org/ownyourdata
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tantek alright, "your data" seems like a common enough subphrase that it is worth adopting/referencing
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tantek so "How to export your data" rather than just "Export" or "How to export"
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tantek any opinions?
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tantek the goal here is to help findability, both on page, and via web search