#indieweb 2017-02-02

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KartikPrabhu tantek: "how to export your data" sounds good
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tantek yay for validation!
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Loqi yay!
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Loqi [indieweb] "how to export… #indieweb" by Kevin Marks on 2017-02-02 http://known.kevinmarks.com/2017/how-to-export-indieweb
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KevinMarks1 interesting that contacts and bookmarks show up there
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tantek ooh interesting kevin marks, let's see what I see
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tantek kevinmarks you took that screenshot with chrome
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tantek I know this because of the first auto-suggest in your list is ... bookmarks in chrome
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tantek and mine is ... bookmarks in firefox
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tantek how are *bookmarks* the #1 thing people search to export, still?
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Loqi [indieweb] "archive my… #indieweb" by Kevin Marks on 2017-02-02 http://known.kevinmarks.com/2017/archive-my-indieweb
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KevinMarks1 thats an interesting one where the suggestions are silos
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KevinMarks1 what is archive?
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Loqi archive in the context of the indieweb refers to date-grouped (often monthly) sets of posts (AKA personal historical archives, a common form of navigation), but can sometimes mean archival copy, a copy of a web page made (often by someone other than the author) at a particular point in time https://indieweb.org/archive
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KevinMarks1 so should we add 'archive my facebook' etc there?
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tantek what does that mean?
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KevinMarks1 twitter uses 'archive' on their page; fb uses 'download a copy'
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KevinMarks1 but the page says 'start my archive'
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tantek what is an archival copy:?
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Loqi An archival copy is a copy of a web page made (often by someone other than the author) at a particular point in time, that can be used as a reference if the original disappears or is temporarily unavailable https://indieweb.org/archival_copy
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tantek KevinMarks: ^^^ more in that sense
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GWG I have returned
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tantek hears the fanfare :)
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GWG blows his kazoo
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dansup hmm, I wonder if Micro.blog will be compatible with gnu/social
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tantek dansup, depends on how much each supports standard protocols / formats
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tantek micro.blog has already committed to do so, so it's likely to have reasonably broad compatibility
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tantek I think there's still work being done on GNU Social to push things forward
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dansup cool, I am working on a similar project
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tantek but the question should not be "compatible with xyz project" but rather, "interoperably implements xyz standard protocol/format"
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dansup I agree
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dansup I wonder if activitystreams 2 will make ostatus obsolete
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KevinMarks1 gnusocial implementations do have microformat and websub support I think, though may not be wholly rolled out
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tantek dansup - really? as2 and ostatus cover quite different tech
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tantek what is ostatus?
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Loqi OStatus is a suite of protocols for distributed social networking: https://indieweb.org/OStatus
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tantek if by ostatus, you specifically mean the syndication format, Atom ActivityStreams, that's already largely obselete, first by AS1/JSON, and more recently (as in deployed), h-feed
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KevinMarks1 database-antipattern << https://twitter.com/grambulf/status/826758178272587777
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@grambulf @mipsytipsy "a database without tested restore is just a very slow cache" (I forgot where I heard this) (twitter.com/_/status/826758178272587777)
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Loqi ok, I added "https://twitter.com/grambulf/status/826758178272587777" to the "See Also" section of /database-antipattern
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snarfed tantek just fyi i can very easily turn off @t mentions for your bridgy twitter backfeed, if that makes it easier for you to get started receiving and storing wms
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snarfed (i totally get that it's useful pressure, since other people will have the same problem, etc...but it's also nice to ship and iterate and not have to solve many problems at once before shipping anything)
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snarfed up to you!
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tantek keep up the pressure
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tantek I really need to reply to the TMobile CEO's mis-use of @t though
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snarfed you could also keep using wm.io to receive and store, and just fetch from there so you could start by focusing on designing display
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snarfed (i know you've already thought through all this)
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snarfed bbi10
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tantek snarfed, yes, I plan to lean on wm.io a bit, but hopefully not too much (i.e. not at page render time)
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tantek and in order to not depend on wmio at page render time, that means I need to do some amount of caching
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tantek when a silo offers domain hosting, I'm putting that before how to export, from the perspective that approach may be one of the easier ways to get people on the indie web
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snarfed tantek++ agreed, e.g. https://indieweb.org/web_hosting#Custom_domain_silos
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Loqi tantek has 206 karma in this channel (316 overall)
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tantek e.g. /Tumblr
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tantek what is export?
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Loqi export (specifically, How to export your data) in the context of the indieweb refers to the ability to download some or all of your data from a site, typically from a silo, though also for CMS or site migration https://indieweb.org/export
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tantek what is how to export?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "how to export" yet. Would you like to create it?_D
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tantek how to export is [[export]]
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Loqi ok
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tantek what is how to export your data?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "how to export your data" yet. Would you like to create it?_E
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tantek how to export your data is [[export]]
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Loqi ok
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snarfed gRegorLove: fixed the bridgy publish quote tweet bugs. thanks again for reporting!
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tantek thinking of sorting cities in temporal order
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tantek for HWC Where
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tantek !tell jkphl is there a HWC Nürnberg next week?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek thoughts? https://indieweb.org/events/2017-02-08-homebrew-website-club#Where
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tantek especially gRegorLove
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tantek almost feel like we need an image map, literally
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MSiep Would anyone here be willing to help me troubleshoot https://indiewebify.me/validate-rel-me/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftechdesignpsych.com saying "doesn't link back" for everything except Twitter?
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KevinMarks1 or a world map with pins on
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KartikPrabhu MSiep: I could try if you're still around
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KartikPrabhu MSiep: I think G+ and Linkedin do not have rel-me in their markup
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KevinMarks1 https://batchgeo.com/map/89bf1e58d9285799d650ab2dbf92120a
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KartikPrabhu Twitter and Github are much more reliable
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KevinMarks1 G+ has got fragile there
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MSiep KartikPrabhu, KevinMarks1: Thanks. I didn't realize the sites themselves need rel=me. I thought that was just needed on my site.
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MSiep Do you think I should just not worry about it, given I've got Twitter working at least? Or should I at least try to get Facebook to work?
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KartikPrabhu I don't think there is much you can do if those sites don't use a rel-me
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KartikPrabhu the 2-way rel-me is how indiewebify.me verifies that both profiles are connected
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MSiep Good to know. I just took at look at the source code on my Twitter profile and I do see 'rel="me nofollow nopener"' there.
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KartikPrabhu MSiep: I wouldn't worry about it much and use Twitter or Github
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MSiep Does it only affect web sign in and not the other aspects of IndieWeb, like POSSE?
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KartikPrabhu right, only web sign in
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MSiep OK, good. Thanks for your help!
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KartikPrabhu it is mainly used for Indieauth, where you can log in with your website but use Twitter/Github as the authorisation provider
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KartikPrabhu try logging in to the indieweb.org wiki to test it out
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MSiep Yes I tried that before, after getting Twitter working, and it worked. I just didn't realize that once I had one of them working, it didn't really matter whether the others worked too.
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KartikPrabhu right, it is simply your choice to use the ones that work, all of them are not necessary
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MSiep This helps since I can now proceed to try to figure out, and get working, the next aspects that I haven't tried yet, primarily POSSE.
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KartikPrabhu MSiep: awesome! feel free to ask questions here. They might help to clarify things for future attempts
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MSiep Great - will do. Thanks again. :-)
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gRegorLove !tell tantek https://indieweb.org/events/2017-02-08-homebrew-website-club#Where looks good to me
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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gRegorLove !tell snarfed woot! I'll try to break something else now. ;)
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi ?
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[cdevroe] GWG I’ll create an issue for this tomorrow. But it appears Bridgy publish only works if you use WordPress Admin. Doesn’t work if you use app. So I’ll want to build that support.
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GWG [cdevroe]: What app?
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@SparkDArk1 #Janus chapter 4 is on #youtube DO U ?#audiobooks? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63_5qFaqYjI&feature=youtu.be #indieweb #authorlifemonth #scifi #NOIR #puzzle #Mindgamers (twitter.com/_/status/827053823323672576)
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Armays Hello if i have two gitlab repo, one for the front and one for the back, and one elastic beanstalk application, what is the use of nginx please ?
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KartikPrabhu Armays: I don't understand. What do you want to do?
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Armays hello KartikPrabhu
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Armays i want to deploy a web application on my amazon server
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Armays i am new to nginx
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Armays what is reallly the funcctionnalities of nginx ?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "reallly the funcctionnalities of nginx " yet. Would you like to create it?_F
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KartikPrabhu ngnix is a HTTP server. maybe this is helpful https://www.nginx.com/resources/wiki/
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Armays ok thanks KartikPrabhu i will read it
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calumryan !tell tantek https://indieweb.org/events/2017-02-08-homebrew-website-club#Where this is better, wonder if RSVP part might be improved also, and linked to from above
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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jeremycherfas Good morning
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calumryan Good morning
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Loqi *yawn*
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calumryan yay! my instagram posts now go to my micropub endpoint
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Loqi ?
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@HwcBrussels Hi folks! It's official, it's settled, our first meeting will take place on 2nd March 2017 at Huis VDH, in the center of Brussels. #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/827113764721983488)
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@HwcBrussels Join us on 2/03/17 in Brussels to explore, learn, teach each other about #privacy,#indieweb,#selfhosting and build the Internet of tomorrow! (twitter.com/_/status/827114122156326912)
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[barryf] Great work calumryan! Next step, post notes with Quill or Micropublish.
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[barryf] calumryan++
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Loqi calumryan has 4 karma
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[barryf] calumryan: The mailto in your h-card is causing issues for my MF2 parser. I think it's the use of slashes which it's objecting to.
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calumryan whoops noted, thanks barryf
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[barryf] calumryan: Great. Works now. Webmention sent.
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GWG Good morning
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[cdevroe] GWG I use the WordPress app on my iPhone to post status updates.
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[cdevroe] Good morning all.
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jeremycherfas Morning Colin
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[cdevroe] GWG I had a similar issue with my simple Twitter plugin. When a post is published using the API (Rest or MetaWeblog) there are a few idiosyncratic things that happen.
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[cdevroe] As an example: get_post_format works when posting from Admin but not via API. No idea why.
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[cdevroe] Didn’t have time to dig into that.
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GWG cdevroe, I am not sure. The Publish action is triggered by a post status change, which should happen regardless of source. I tested it with Micropub
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[cdevroe] GWG It appears that it schedules an action hook
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[cdevroe] So it would rely on someone visiting the site again
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GWG cdevroe, wp cron, yes
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[cdevroe] Is there a reason I’m not thinking of to set a cron for that?
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GWG I know snarfed had suggested that I eliminate that 5 second delay on post
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[cdevroe] Well, it is 5 seconds + however long it takes before someone visits the site.
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[cdevroe] Because the action core is dependent on a page visit.
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GWG Yes. I have my cron triggered by an actual cron job
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GWG Originally it was because several plugins were conflicting.
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GWG I probably could have addressed sam with a high priority number
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[cdevroe] I still have a lot to learn, but I look forward to contributing to these plugins.
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[cdevroe] I don’t want to be a bull in a china shop
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[cdevroe] So I’ll continue to learn before trying to take a swing at updates.
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[cdevroe] brb
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GWG cdevroe, after the next release, I will be branching as noted.
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@TerminalPixel Day 31 of #100DaysOfCode: My #indieweb site now properly supports scheduled posting. I actually wrote this 10 minutes ago (twitter.com/_/status/827155847277113344)
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cweiske !tell aaronpk - the "load more" button on https://aaronparecki.com/tag/100daysofindieweb is behaving stange
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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cweiske !tell aaronpk posts are duplicated, e.g. the cookie image post
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Armays Where can I configure on which port elastic beanstalk will listen ?
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Zegnat What is elastic beanstalk?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "elastic beanstalk" yet. Would you like to create it?_G
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Armays it's with the amazon server Zegnat
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Armays when we have git lab repositories, we can send the files to a server, and then we access the server via an url, we can buy a domain name, but how can we make the web site is in https ?
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bear Armays - the https part is handled by the web server you are using. where is your site hosted?
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Armays hello bear :) right now it is just local
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Armays i will deploy it on elastic beanstalk
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bear what web server are you using?
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Armays but i wonder how a certificate encrypts things, and what it encrypts
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Armays amazon server
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bear k, then you will need to configure a https listener for your config
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bear and you can use AWS Certificate Manager to get one
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Armays yes bear, do you know how to connect the front and the back using nginx ?
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bear yep
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bear but i'm in work meetings right now so I will be slow in responding
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Armays ok bear, could be please explain it to me when you have time ?
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bear sure can!
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bear what is nginx
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Loqi Nginx is one of the two commonly used HTTPd server projects (Apache being the other) https://indieweb.org/Nginx
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bear ^^
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Armays ok thanks bear i will study it, maybe we can talk when you have time
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Loqi [indieweb] "If all is set up properly, this will be the first micropub entry on my site. #indieweb" by dgold@ascraeus.org (Daniel Goldsmith) on 2017-01-30 https://ascraeus.org/micro/80314/
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Loqi [indieweb] "Embracing the IndieWeb" by dgold@ascraeus.org (Daniel Goldsmith) on 2017-01-25 https://ascraeus.org/embracing-the-indieweb
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[dgold] :slightly_smiling_face:
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[dgold] I'm trying to trigger brid.gy with a curl command, but it fails each time on Error: Couldn't find link to brid.gy/publish/twitter
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KevinMarks1 is that link in the post?
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[dgold] ahhhhhhhhhhh
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[dgold] hits self upside the head with the clue by four
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voxpelli [dgold]: did my fixes work out well for you?
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[dgold] @voxpelli++ - they worked out great!
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Loqi voxpelli has 89 karma in this channel (98 overall)
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[dgold] and the heroku journey was also enjoyable
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voxpelli great to hear!
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[dgold] its my own fault that I've yet to implement them in Hugo - however your end of it is golden
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[dgold] i've been spending the time getting a webhook up & running to deploy the site after a new entry via the herokuapp
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KevinMarks1 I do that on kevinmarks.com, but it feels a bit creaky
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gRegorLove Good morning, indieweb
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@ChrisAldrich I can't wait to try out Micropublish https://micropublish.net/ with @WordPress. #indieweb #micropub http://boffosocko.com/2017/02/02/i-cant-wait-to-try-out-micropublish-with-wordpress/ (twitter.com/_/status/827206319551700993)
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KevinMarks1 I suspect it would be too slow for notes
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[cdevroe] Are most of you in Slack or in IRC?
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sknebel [cdevroe]: all that appear in Slack as Bots are in IRC
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sknebel (at least I think that's how the bridge works)
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KevinMarks1 i'm on the web and in irc and slack
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KevinMarks Which can be complicated
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miklb is IRC
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Zegnat Who is [cdevroe]?
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Loqi Colin Devroe is the co-founder Plain, which makes Barley & Unmark, and Coalwork https://indiewebcamp.com/User:Cdevroe.com
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Zegnat Aah, nice, Loqi understands the slacknames :)
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GWG Afternoon
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pfefferle good morning
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[cdevroe] Zegnat I will have to update that profile.
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[cdevroe] I’m not Senior VP at Condron Media.
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[cdevroe] Sold my last company.
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GWG cdevroe, still impressive bio
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[cdevroe] haha
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Loqi nice
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[cdevroe] *now
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Zegnat “sold my last company” also makes for an impressive bio
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[cdevroe] Who is cdevroe?
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Loqi Colin Devroe is Senior Vice President at Condron Media https://indiewebcamp.com/User:Cdevroe.com
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[cdevroe] There.
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GWG cdevroe I should change mine to just some guy
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Zegnat Who is GWG?
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Loqi David Shanske is an Indieweb enthusiast from New York, working on Indieweb WordPress plugin development https://indiewebcamp.com/User:David.shanske.com
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aaronpk "just some guy" is rhiaro's bio
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Loqi aaronpk: cweiske left you a message 6 hours, 8 minutes ago: - the "load more" button on https://aaronparecki.com/tag/100daysofindieweb is behaving stange
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Loqi aaronpk: cweiske left you a message 6 hours, 8 minutes ago: posts are duplicated, e.g. the cookie image post
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Zegnat Who is rhiaro?
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Loqi https://indiewebcamp.com/User:Rhiaro.co.uk
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Zegnat No bio :(
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GWG aaronpk, I thought that was just a guy
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aaronpk oh you might be right
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[cdevroe] @aaron “just some guy” is likely more accurate for me as well.
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pfefferle Who is pfefferle?
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Loqi https://indiewebcamp.com/User:Notizblog.org
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[cdevroe] aaronpk ^
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aaronpk ohai cweiske. yeah i've noticed that sometimes too. I haven't figured it out, I think I may just drop the JS loading in the mean time, tho that probably won't solve the actual issue since the JS loading is based on the <a> link on the "load more" anyway
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GWG aaronpk, she is just A. Guy
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Loqi [indieweb] "Interesting idea #micropayments #indieweb #ownyoudomain https://twitter.com/michael_nielsen/status/827249883534888960?s=09" by Chris Aldrich on 2017-02-02 http://stream.boffosocko.com/2017/interesting-idea-micropayments-indieweb-ownyoudomain-michael_nielsenstatus827249883534888960s09
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@ChrisAldrich Interesting idea #micropayments #indieweb #ownyoudomain https://twitter.com/michael_nielsen/status/827249883534888960?s=09 (twitter.com/_/status/827251547763568643)
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[kevinmarks] Lol “Hello! You have been selected for live onboarding.
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[kevinmarks] You have been added to our publisher activation queue. A Brave Publisher Partner will contact you to complete the process.
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[kevinmarks] I'll edit my DNS record
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[kevinmarks] Can't wait? You can skip the line and edit your DNS record below:
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[kevinmarks] The estimated wait time is: 3 days.
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[kevinmarks] ”
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[kevinmarks] Nerd escape hatch
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Zegnat KevinMarks, is that Brave-the-browser?
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[kevinmarks] Yes
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voxpelli remembers the work he did at Flattr to build a social graph able to prove ownership of web site pages
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voxpelli is now intrigued by Interledger and the possible future of a decentralized monetary web that removes need for such work from Brave
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Zegnat Some really interesting stuff going on in that field for sure, voxpelli
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@kevinmarks @mmasnick we have found it useful for our open sign-up events, especially when plans change. See https://indieweb.org/rsvp for discussion (twitter.com/_/status/827285084017299456)
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KevinMarks1 changing DNS seems overkill compared to , say, adding a rel="me" link to a brave account
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aaronpk yup
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martymcguire[m] also seems like a good test for DNS spoofing?
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@kevinmarks A webmention from Medium, but it shows up as "Unknown" http://www.kevinmarks.com/microservicessummit.html - who'll add mf2 markup now @benwerd has left? #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/827299355371597825)
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Loqi [indieweb] "A webmention from Medium, but it shows up as "Unknown" http://www.kevinmarks.com/microservicessummit.html - who'll add mf2 markup now @benwerd has left? #indieweb" by Kevin Marks on 2017-02-02 http://known.kevinmarks.com/2017/a-webmention-from-medium-but-it-shows-up-as-unknown
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@kevinmarks @majelbstoat https://indieweb.org/h-entry and http://microformats.org/wiki/h-entry explain it - https://webmention.rocks/ has a set… http://known.kevinmarks.com/2017/majelbstoat-h-entry-and-wikih-entry-explain-it---has-a-set (twitter.com/_/status/827302678229159936)