#indieweb 2017-02-03

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davidmead Getting this message after updating indieweb plugin - Fatal error: Cannot redeclare class RelMe_Widget in /nfs/c03/h06/mnt/56448/domains/joshuajohnmead.com/html/wp-content/plugins/indieweb/includes/class-relme-widget.php on line 79
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davidmead cannot get into WP now. Any ideas?
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aaronpk that looks like wordpress?
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aaronpk (wordpress is the magic word to summon GWG)
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GWG How long ago did you update the plugins last?
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GWG Syndication Links used to have that widget before it moved in June
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davidmead this is my sons blog (hardly used) and he was updating it today
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davidmead don’t know how long since he last did it
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davidmead GWG can I just FTP in and remove that indieweb folder form the plugins?
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GWG Yes
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davidmead think that’ll allow me back in?
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GWG Yes. But I would update and then see what the conflict was
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davidmead that got me back in GWG. Think I’ll go through and reinstall, see if it happens again
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GWG Check versions on Sunday Links
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GWG Syndication
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GWG Trying to figure out how to address pfefferle's comment.
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miklb GWG I seem to recall some discussion about face piles for likes with one of the webmention plugins. Am I imagining it?
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GWG miklb: No, you are not
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miklb was it an option or another plugin?
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miklb or just discussion
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GWG miklb: The first plugin I ever wrote for the Indieweb
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GWG I stopped using it
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GWG Both pfefferle and I discussed reviving parts of it inside Semantic Linkbacks
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miklb semantic comments?
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GWG Yes
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miklb ok. thanks
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@ChrisAldrich For those interested, @mapkyca has an http://Archive.org/Wayback Machine support plugin for @WithKnown #IndieWeb https://www.marcus-povey.co.uk/2017/02/02/archive-org-wayback-machine-support-for-known/ (twitter.com/_/status/827356407297110018)
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Loqi Just generated the first draft of this week's newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2017-02-03.html I'll generate a draft again tomorrow, so please add to it before then! https://indieweb.org/this-week#How_to
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@100daysindieweb Day 44: Cleaner HTML from Quill's HTML Editor #100DaysOfIndieWeb: https://aaronparecki.com/2017/02/02/18/day-44-quill (twitter.com/_/status/827387537115144193)
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@kevinmarks @100daysindieweb Removing all html classes? What if there are embedded microformats? (twitter.com/_/status/827396653585887233)
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@kevinmarks @shellen @smc90 @CantHardyWait @sean_a_rose @pt @drafty I told you a while back, make it post via micropub, and #indieweb will help (twitter.com/_/status/827398936281255937)
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[acegiak_net] howdy indieweb, how is everyone?
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Zegnat Good morning [acegiak_net]! I am in bed with a cold (or the flu, maybe). How are you?
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@derhess @sebastiangreger and me attempt to start an #IndieWeb -inspired "Homebrew Website Club" in #Berlin on February, 8th: https://sebastiangreger.net/2017/02/homebrew-website-club-berlin-first-meeting-8-feb-2017/ (twitter.com/_/status/827448402728407040)
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Loqi [indieweb] "Comment on This has to be the most awesome Indieweb pull request I’ve seen this year. by Kyle Mahan" by Kyle Mahan on 2017-02-03 http://boffosocko.com/2017/01/30/this-has-to-be-the-most-awesome-indieweb-pull-request-ive-seen-this-year/#comment-33727
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Loqi [indieweb] "Comment on This has to be the most awesome Indieweb pull request I’ve seen this year. by Ben Werdmuller" by Ben Werdmuller on 2017-02-03 http://boffosocko.com/2017/01/30/this-has-to-be-the-most-awesome-indieweb-pull-request-ive-seen-this-year/#comment-33728
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jeremycherfas Morning.
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jeremycherfas In reply https://chat.indieweb.org/2017-02-03/1486092115583000, trying to see whether IndieHosters will create some machanism to allow installation of plugins from Known admin.
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Loqi [ChrisAldrich] For those interested, @mapkyca has an http://Archive.org/Wayback Machine support plugin for @WithKnown #IndieWeb https://www.marcus-povey.co.uk/2017/02/02/archive-org-wayback-machine-support-for-known/...
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@davednb @svensonsan so, gefunden, ich meinte den Blogeintrag über reclaim/indieweb von @diplix http://wirres.net/article/articleview/7082/1/6/ (twitter.com/_/status/827467870976212993)
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Zegnat What is IndieHosters?
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Loqi IndieHosters is a new network of independent hosters who offer CMS Software as a Service https://indieweb.org/IndieHosters
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Janice23 /join #radeon
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petermolnar https://blog.sucuri.net/2017/01/spotlight-website-security-photographers.html - this is a frightening read; I'm guessing most of us are 1st, maybe 2nd generations, but even we could be in a problematic situation when our site needs to be migrated immediately.
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petermolnar should we start including tips, options, war stories for "troubled times with your personal site" in the wiki?
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Loqi [indieweb] "Replacing Baïkal with Radicale" by Peter Molnar on 2017-01-26 https://petermolnar.net/replacing-baikal-with-radicale-for-carrdav-and-caldav
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petermolnar why did you pick that up again, Loqi?
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cweiske it seems we don't have a page for "you pick that up again". would you like to create one?
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Zegnat cweiske++ for being more Loqi than Loqi
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Loqi cweiske has 69 karma in this channel (78 overall)
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@dictvm Would have loved to check out this IndieWeb thingy happening during @btconf but I don’t have time for this stuff: https://indieweb.org/IndieAuth (twitter.com/_/status/827543822162857986)
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@petermolnar @dictvm #IndieAuth is easy: add a rel=me url to your site, your site url to a silo; that's all. Follow https://indiewebify.me/ (twitter.com/_/status/827545193956130816)
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@schmarty @dictvm IndieWeb-style RSVP is usually optional for @indiewebcamp events. There seem to be reservations here: https://ti.to/beyondtellerrand/duesseldorf-2017/with/pfaz-vun9pe (twitter.com/_/status/827547840725532672)
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@dictvm @schmarty @indiewebcamp after registration is says that I must register via IndieAuth. (twitter.com/_/status/827560234742845440)
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@schmarty @dictvm Ah. Seems like a badly-worded message. Planning page for Düsseldorf IWC gives more options: https://indieweb.org/2017/D%C3%BCsseldorf#RSVP (twitter.com/_/status/827563319364112384)
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[cleverdevil] !tell aaronpk hey, can you ping back Marissa from DreamHost about HWC in PDX when you get a chance?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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aaronpk [cleverdevil]: ah yeah sorry! yesterday I was out and about most of the day
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Loqi aaronpk: [cleverdevil] left you a message 14 minutes ago: hey, can you ping back Marissa from DreamHost about HWC in PDX when you get a chance?
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[cdevroe] GGW snarfed If I would like Bridgy to simply post the title of my blog post + link to Facebook (rather than publishing the plain text version of the post) — How can I do that using Bridgy Publish?
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tantek cdevroe like a linkblog?
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Loqi tantek: gRegorLove left you a message 1 day, 13 hours ago: https://indieweb.org/events/2017-02-08-homebrew-website-club#Where looks good to me
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Loqi tantek: calumryan left you a message 1 day, 8 hours ago: https://indieweb.org/events/2017-02-08-homebrew-website-club#Where this is better, wonder if RSVP part might be improved also, and linked to from above
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[cdevroe] tantek I suppose. I just don’t like the full text being published to Facebook since it strips out links. E.g. https://www.facebook.com/cdevroe/posts/10158237456420370?pnref=story
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[cleverdevil] aaronpk no worries :slightly_smiling_face:
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[cdevroe] tantek I want it to work the same way it handles Twitter, I guess.
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tantek cdevroe, yes I think I've run into that before too (no rich markup in the FB copy)
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tantek not sure "same way as Twitter" is the right answer either, as much of what defines that is Twitter's length limitations
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[cdevroe] Oddly enough, the more I “perfect” this process the less I believe I want to rely on Bridgy.
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[cdevroe] tantek That may be true… but Facebook has formatting limitations (unless, of course, Bridge published each post as a “Note” on Facebook)
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[cdevroe] *Bridgy
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[dgold] is the slack<->irc bridge used by the channel a publicly available thing, or an in-house jobbie?
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leg1 dgold: The teams administrator must enable it. Then everybody in the team can use it.
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aaronpk who is leg1?
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aaronpk [dgold]: it's this: https://github.com/aaronpk/Slack-IRC-Gateway but still in progress
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leg aaronpk: leg1 is leg, logged in from a different computer..
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aaronpk who is leg?
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aaronpk checks https://indieweb.org/irc-people
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leg aaronpk: ahh, so you have made en external bridge: very nice!
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aaronpk yeah he's talking about the bridge from Slack *to* freenode IRC. not just accessing a slack room from an IRC client
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aaronpk people in here with [] around their name are actually signed in on our Slack team
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[cleverdevil] That's a pretty small amount of code to accomplish something pretty useful.
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aaronpk half of it's missing (IRC to Slack) because that's part of Loqi. but that's also an even smaller amount of code cause it just send to the slack web hook
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[dgold] thanks aaronpk
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Loqi [indieweb] "For those interested, @mapkyca has an Archive.org/Wayback Machine support plugin for @WithKnown #IndieWeb https://www.marcus-povey.co.uk/2017/02/02/archive-org-wayback-machine-support-for-known/" by Chris Aldrich on 2017-02-03 http://stream.boffosocko.com/2017/for-those-interested-mapkyca-has-an-archiveorgwayback-machine-support-plugin
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tantek nice!
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tantek what is archive.org?
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Loqi The Internet Archive is a non-profit organization that is building a digital library, including archival copy of much of the public web https://indieweb.org/archive.org
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@ChrisAldrich @dagutierrez With interests in this area, you might appreciate some of what the #Indieweb community is doing: http://indieweb.org (twitter.com/_/status/827628543018430468)
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Loqi [indieweb] "@dagutierrez With interests in this area, you might appreciate some of what the #Indieweb community is doing: http://indieweb.org" by Chris Aldrich on 2017-02-03 http://stream.boffosocko.com/2017/dagutierrez-with-interests-in-this-area-you-might-appreciate-some
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tantek !tell chrisaldrich perhaps you could add the Archive.org/Wayback Machine support plugin for @WithKnown to a new Known section here after WordPress? https://indieweb.org/Internet_Archive#WordPress
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi Just generated this week's newsletter! You still have a few minutes to make changes, and I'll re-generate it 10 minutes before it gets sent out at 3pm Pacific time. https://indieweb.org/this-week/2017-02-03.html
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tantek no photos this week
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tantek ooh locations for HWC the 8th need to be updated!!!
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tantek aaronpk - this seems to happen a lot - the newsletter shows locations from /Events whereas the permalink for the event usually has a more accurate list of locations
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Zegnat tantek, definitely, I am just talking with sebsel to put the Netherlands on this coming wednesday :D
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tantek obv it's a good prod to fix the /Events listing, however not that many of us are doing that?
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aaronpk hm yes, part of our DRY problem
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Zegnat did not know to update /Events
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tantek I don't have a good answer, except to maybe ask if it's better to grab the event info from the event permalink rather than /Eventds?
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tantek Zegnat, yeah, that's because you shouldn't have to ;)
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tantek but we're still do many things manually because it hurts less than trying to actually build a working events system
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aaronpk i think originally i wasn't fetching the event pages at all, but now I am in order to get photos so it should be a small change
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tantek oh right
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tantek that makes sense
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tantek nothing like touching newsletter generation code right before it goes out
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Zegnat Added location for the Netherlands :)
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aaronpk interesting
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aaronpk the locations on the permalink are venue names, but in the list are cities
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aaronpk i can work with this
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tantek oh
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tantek hmm are they at least p-locality inside the p-location?
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aaronpk the location is an h-adr which includes the city in p-locality
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tantek that's a start at least
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tantek I suppose you could include the p-region and p-country-name if they're non-empty?
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aaronpk omg so much nesting
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aaronpk k i'm not really sure the best way to handle capitalization and such, but the cities now come from the permalinks
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aaronpk and include venue name when available
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Loqi [indieweb] "Hello, World Wide IndieWeb!" on 2017-01-23 http://keithjgrant.com/posts/2017/01/hello-indieweb/
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aaronpk can we drop the vcard markup from the event page though? I realized that's what's causing the extra h-adr nesting. i don't mind the extra nesting, but it seems bad that it's not obvious it's happening
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tantek aaronpk: permalink or /Events ?
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aaronpk permalink
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tantek let me give it a shot
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aaronpk also something weird is going on with the SF location and I can't figure it out. the city isn't showing up as part of the h-adr
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tantek oh yeah the "adr" backcompat root thing. I see the problem
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aaronpk i think it might be a backcompat parser bug
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aaronpk i have never seen good results when mixing mf1 and mf2 on the same elements with the current backcompat implementations
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KevinMarks If we used more {{}} includes would that make the updating better or worse?
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KevinMarks That's supposed to be the mediawiki answer to DRY
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tantek an answer
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aaronpk using mediawiki includes at least helps ensure the markup is consistent
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tantek using mediawiki *templates* helps with that
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tantek already found a missing /span
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tantek is fixing more things while in there
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sebsel (there is also the front page...)
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tantek so many fixes
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tantek aaronpk, there's an attempt
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aaronpk oh hey much flatter
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aaronpk rewrites his code
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aaronpk updated
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tantek do you think it's worth publishing the venue name in the newsletter?
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tantek and just fixed the abbr for state for SF
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aaronpk I do actually. I know if I was getting this newsletter regularly and saw that the venue for my city changed I would like to know
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tantek interesting. would a list format then make that more apparent than a ; delimited para?
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tantek so you could more easily scan down to your city
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aaronpk probably. this is getting long
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tantek it's just starting to look long with the venue name, city, and country/region'
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tantek compare the listings for the 8th vs the 22nd
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tantek was much more readable when it was "just" a list of cities
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tantek on https://indieweb.org/this-week/2017-02-03.html
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aaronpk yeah
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tantek hey, micro.blog hit its funding goals and stretch goal!
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tantek that's probably newsletter worthy
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tantek looks for a blog post
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[cleverdevil] Only thing you'll see that has been posted since the Kickstarter concluded was Manton's post - http://www.manton.org/2017/02/4745.html
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[cleverdevil] But, WPTavern made a good post discussing the Kickstarter after it had reached its funding, with lots of good quotes: https://wptavern.com/micro-blog-project-surges-past-65k-on-kickstarter-gains-backing-from-dreamhost
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aaronpk hm oh that was posted to indienews too long ago to make it into the newsletter
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[manton] Yeah, I've been meaning to write a longer post. Didn't get to it this week.
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tantek let's see, we got about 20 minutes right?
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aaronpk yep
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aaronpk tantek: take a look now! i made it switch to a bullet list when it includes venue names
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tantek is going to see if anyone can figure out the order of the cities from that list ;)
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aaronpk i'm counting this as my 100days project for today
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tantek hey aaronpk if I post a blog post, how long will it take you to submit a bookmark for it to Indienews ;) ?
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aaronpk about 2 seconds
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aaronpk tho you can just submit it to indienews too! Just link to https://news.indieweb.org/en in your post and your webmention sending will submit it
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Loqi Generated the final version of the newsletter! This will be sent out at 3pm Pacific time. https://indieweb.org/this-week/2017-02-03.html
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aaronpk (i can still regenerate it)
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Zegnat That list for HWC looks nice, aaronpk!
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@100daysindieweb Day 45: Better Display of Event Cities for the IndieWeb Newsletter #100DaysOfIndieWeb: https://aaronparecki.com/2017/02/03/9/day-45-indieweb-newsletter https://twitter.com/100daysindieweb/status/827651034658934784/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/827651034658934784)
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Loqi [indieweb] "Day 45: Better Display of Event Cities for the IndieWeb Newsletter #100DaysOfIndieWeb" on 2017-02-03
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tantek dang I need just a few more minutes!
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tantek marking up...
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aaronpk so close! you can do it
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tantek gonna need you to bookmark
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@t Indie Microblogging Kickstarter http://Micro.blog Hits Goal & Stretch Goal For Safe Replies! #indieweb: http://tantek.com/b/4mf1 (twitter.com/_/status/827653086298664960)
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Loqi [indieweb] "Indie Microblogging Kickstarter Micro.blog Hits Goal & Stretch Goal For Safe Replies! #indieweb" on 2017-02-03 http://tantek.com/2017/034/b1/indie-microblogging-hits-stretch-goal-indieweb
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aaronpk k
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tantek posted
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tantek boy I hope I got that right
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tantek manton ^^^
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "Indie Microblogging Kickstarter Micro.blog Hits Goal & Stretch Goal For Safe Replies! #indieweb - Tantek" http://tantek.com/2017/034/b1/indie-microblogging-hits-stretch-goal-indieweb (from https://aaronparecki.com/2017/02/03/10/)
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aaronpk let's see if we did that right
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aaronpk s/right/in time/
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tantek seriously
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aaronpk oh dear
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tantek I don't remember when I last wrote a blog post that fast
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aaronpk i am not sure what happened
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aaronpk well your post is there! but that's all
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tantek ugh
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tantek uh
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tantek hopefully not the & in the title
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tantek also I just *happened* to hit the magical max-safe-retweetable-length in my article name + permalink!
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tantek (like on the first try)
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aaronpk i have no idea what happened with the newsletter. the XML (for the email) and the HTML are different.
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tantek race condition!
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aaronpk this is what was sent out in the email http://us12.campaign-archive1.com/?u=3da16cdb35a3696d18f3d5001&id=cfb03b2da2&e=45cae2f17c
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Loqi Homebrew Website Club Meetup
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aaronpk haha whoa
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Loqi nice
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tantek oh hey it made it!
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aaronpk yep but the other 3 aren't there!
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tantek other three ... ?
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aaronpk look on https://indieweb.org/this-week/2017-02-03.html
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tantek so mine clobbered them?
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tantek er, your bookmark?
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aaronpk well also why isn't yours showing up on that html page!
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tantek wow that is very weird
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tantek well presumably you can regen the HTML page?
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aaronpk oh you know what, i think i hard-coded 3pm into here somewhere, and so running it after 3pm may have had some unintended side effects
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tantek but not resend the newsletter
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tantek ah
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tantek oops missed it by seconds then
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aaronpk yeah definitely
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tantek well, about time I wrote an actual blog post, that was a good reason to do so
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tantek especially since Manton hadn't gotten around to a "success" post yet, and the stretch goal funding is definitely worthy of raising up and celebrating
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tantek just hope I did it justice :)
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aaronpk okay fixed HTML
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tantek woot!
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Loqi :D
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aaronpk okay and gave myself an override to generate the newsletter for a specific date just in case i want to generate it after 3pm next time :)
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tantek we were so close
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tantek but hey I guess we found some bugs :)
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[manton] tantek Thanks! Great post.
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tantek :)
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[manton] This line reminded me of something I wanted to ask the group:
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[manton] > aggregator service that displays a timeline, replies, favorites etc. from multiple sites instead of a social media silo
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jonnybarnes I’ve tried making emoji on my site more accessible: https://jonnybarnes.uk/notes/DR
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Loqi [Jonny Barnes] My site is now on Laravel 5.4! ? Also emoji on my site are now more accessible ?
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[manton] Right now I just have favorites centralized. Thinking I could use Micropub for sites that support it and want a favorite notification. But curious what other people are doing to track that in a more distributed way.
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KevinMarks safe replies << http://tantek.com/2017/034/b1/indie-microblogging-hits-stretch-goal-indieweb
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Loqi ok, I added "http://tantek.com/2017/034/b1/indie-microblogging-hits-stretch-goal-indieweb" to the "See Also" section of /safe replies
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Loqi [Tantek Çelik] Indie Microblogging Kickstarter Micro.blog Hits Goal & Stretch Goal For Safe Replies! #indieweb
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tantek manton, architecturally speaking, favorites distribute just like replies. They have their own permalinks, they send (and are received as) webmentions, they follow webmention CRUD protocols.
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tantek same for reposts
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aaronpk [manton]: when you see a list of people who favorited my posts, each of those "favorites" is actually from its own permalink, and that site sent me a webmention
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aaronpk so when I want to post a "favorite" of something, I post it to my website and send a webmention. this means all of the things I've favorited appear on my website at https://aaronparecki.com/likes
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[manton] Got it, thanks. I think there's a little disconnect too because I currently view favorites more as a way to keep track of things for a user, rather than viewing a post and seeing how many favorites it has, which is more the Twitter UI.
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aaronpk where Micropub comes in is when I'm using a reader like woodwind and the reader wants to show a "favorite" button
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aaronpk woodwind *could* keep track of what i've favorited (which sounds liek what you're talking about) and it can *also* post it via micropub to my website
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KartikPrabhu [manton]: I could make a list of all of my favs on my site or by any other response type
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KartikPrabhu is that what you are asking?
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tantek manton, I think classic Twitter favorites (stars) were often used like that "way to keep track of things for a user", however two things have happened since which I think has relegated favorites to pretty much "just" likes
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tantek 1. Twitter switched favorites (stars) to likes (hearts)
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tantek 2. Instagram introduced (private) bookmarks as a "way to keep track of things for a user"
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tantek thus distinguishing that functionality from the "like" / heart functionality
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tantek Instagram's implementation (UX) is quite nice too
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[manton] aaronpk Very cool. I hadn't seen your /likes page before.
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[manton] tantek That's a great observation. I'm more in the "bookmark" camp. Possibly I should rename what I'm doing after some more feedback.
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[manton] I'm not super interested in turning Micro.blog posts (and user follower counts, for that matter) into a popularity contest. But some of that is hard to avoid, I know.
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tantek manton, I strongly praise your leanings in that way
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tantek such counts create games that create behaviors
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tantek I for one like the facepiles :)
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tantek (feels much more social than just a number)
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KartikPrabhu I keep bookmarks separate from likes
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tantek KartikPrabhu: that's my point, so does Instagram now :)
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KartikPrabhu :thumbs-up:
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[manton] tantek Yeah, good point. Shows there are real people vs. just comparing how high the number is.
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tantek exactly
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aaronpk i really like the feedback of seeing which of my friends have "liked" certain posts
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aaronpk but it's about the specific people more than the number
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tantek agreed
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aaronpk i could care less about getting 100 egg-likes on a post :P
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KartikPrabhu aaronpk: come on! eggs have feelings too ;)
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[manton] Thanks y'all. I'll think more on this for what I'm doing... It just jumped out for me while reading Tantek's post since distributed favorites wasn't really on my radar yet.
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tantek manton I just figured you were treating likes (favorites) just like replies, as first-class responses that could come from anywhere :0
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tantek :)
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tantek that is, the fundamental assumption is that any "state" contributed by a user, even "just" a like, is considered content, and thus distributable, and thus at a permalink of the user's choosing
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tantek I just checked twitter search for my domain (seeing if my blog post got any pickup at all), and found that js;dr is *still* dominating what people on twitter link to on my domain. Amazing
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tantek https://twitter.com/search?f=tweets&vertical=default&q=%22tantek.com%22%20-from%3At
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tantek oh snap: https://twitter.com/m_ott/status/820714299895218176
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@m_ott In case you ever wondered how data loss thanks to “JavaScript required” looks like… /cc @t @sarasoueidan https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C2PDTIoXgAIqpK7.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/820714299895218176)
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aaronpk nice
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KevinMarks Also, brid.gy maps twitter favorites to indie u-like-of already
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tantek KevinMarks, I think that happened *before* Twitter switched their UX from favorite (star) to like (heart)?
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KevinMarks True. I show them as stars though
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aaronpk I still show twitter favorites as stars. Maybe when I add support for reacji I will convert twitter favorites to hearts
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KevinMarks Hearts to borrow http://www.kevinmarks.com/lovetwitter.html
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Loqi Love Twitter