#indieweb 2017-02-27

2017-02-27 UTC
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miklb_ i didn't know that keyring social importer also could do fitbit. That's intriguing to me, as I'm still on fence for a fitness band.
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@100daysindieweb Day 68: h-recipe Import for BarBot #100DaysOfIndieWeb: https://aaronparecki.com/2017/02/26/18/day-68-barbot-recipes https://twitter.com/100daysindieweb/status/836102580262461440/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/836102580262461440)
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jeremycherfas Good morning.
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Loqi guten morgen
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@sl007 @TrumpOnLinux Related : I meant "Grab them by the POSSE" : http://indieweb.org/posse (twitter.com/_/status/836153996956078080)
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j4y_funabashi morning all
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petermolnar morning
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petermolnar re web annotations: https://hypothes.is/blog/annotation-is-now-a-web-standard/ "because that capability can be built into the browser itself and be available as a native feature, just like web search." - that is not a native browser thing... it relies on search providers. I'm still fuzzy about this.
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Loqi [dwhly] Annotation is now a web standard
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petermolnar https://www.w3.org/TR/2017/REC-annotation-model-20170223/ - this is essentially how I store webmentions, except I use yaml+markdown
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Loqi [Robert Sanderson] Web Annotation Data Model
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Loqi [indieweb] "Comment on Transitioning from Pocket to PressForward by PressForward" by PressForward on 2017-02-27 http://boffosocko.com/2017/02/26/transitioning-from-pocket-to-pressforward/#comment-33978
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matigo Ah, so this is where jeremycherfas hides out ...
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matigo waves
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jeremycherfas waves back
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jeremycherfas Good to see you here.
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matigo v5 is going to require a better understanding of indie, and this is probably the best place to learn :P
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jeremycherfas People here are very helpful. And we party like it’s 1999, as you observed.
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matigo 1999 was fun. Everything seemed limitless ... except the line of credit on my Visa -_-
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matigo Hmm ... that was ood. Either way, I hope to slowly wade in and see how the next version of 10C can work within the ideals of the Indie Web and be more interoperable with the existing platforms out there. Luckily there's always room for more options :)
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petermolnar what is 10C?
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Loqi 10 Centuries (10C) is a blogging/microposting silo, similar in scope and intent to App.net, for posting notes of up to 1,024 bytes, and longer-form articles up to 8,192 bytes https://indieweb.org/10C
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petermolnar ah, wasted money
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matigo Where did that 1,024 bytes come from?
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jeremycherfas You mean Loqi? It’s a bot. Sometimes very clever, sometimes not so much.
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jeremycherfas Petermolnar: Do you really think appnet was wasted money? I think it showed that things are possible and that there was demand. I think Manton’s micro.blog grows out of it. So, to some extent, did 10C
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petermolnar app.net was a dream, and idea, which should have lived; however, given that it's shutting down, there was no demand
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matigo pnut.io is pretty much a clone of ADN, too. It has a growing community. Well ... I think it's growing ... :P
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matigo petermolnar: There was plenty of demand, but the founders wanted something different. When they ignored their most dedicated customers, they decided to close up shop and walk away in the hopes that someone else would do the heavy lifting to bring in the money with a generous 0% cut. Alas ...
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petermolnar I saw two kind of closedowns: a, because of no demand - thus, too much time, no money - b, because of pride, when the originators can't let go of an ideology.
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petermolnar if you do something like this and you stick to your ideas, expect to run a charity service, or adapt to the actual needs
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petermolnar the second means losing personality
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petermolnar but it will most probably work
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jeremycherfas Petermolnar: There may well hve been some ego involved, and a certain amount of stubborness. In the end, it had to either change or close, and it is closing. But I think it has inspired some interesting thoughts and projects.
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sknebel matigo: is the 1024 bytes number wrong, or why did you ask where it came from?
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matigo Wow ... all these default settings make me look like a n00b ...
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matigo That said, need to get up in a few hours for work. G'night world. Looking forward to learning more about everything in the near future :)
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jeremycherfas !tell chrisaldrich this page of yours http://boffosocko.com/2016/10/24/notes-highlights-and-marginalia/ is in some kind of endless loop for me. Reloading and reloading and reloading. In Safari.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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snarfed1 for anyone who remembers asheville (http://asheville.io/), mark has been working on it full time for ~6mos and renamed it neotoma (https://github.com/neotoma)
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Zegnat What is Asheville?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Asheville" yet. Would you like to create it?
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petermolnar "notify me when available" sure, like http://www.momentum.im/...
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petermolnar waporware
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petermolnar is having a grumpy day, sorry
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snarfed1 petermolnar: the code on github very much works. i've used it. :P
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petermolnar better, than the usual; in this case it may not be waporware, which is good, but pages with preorder/pre-sign up/prewhatever I'm sceptical with
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sknebel What is neotoma?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "neotoma" yet. Would you like to create it?
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sknebel (from a quick scan of the repos it's not easy to judge the current progress, especially since the documentation repo is the least-changed one, so not sure if relevant already)
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[eddie] !tell chrisaldrich Same thing for Chrome.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[chrisaldrich] Thanks jeremycherfas and Eddie Hinkle Fixed it. I rolled out a new feature a few days ago and the sql search I did left a few edge cases I still haven't fixed or found.
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Loqi [chrisaldrich]: jeremycherfas left you a message 52 minutes ago: this page of yours http://boffosocko.com/2016/10/24/notes-highlights-and-marginalia/ is in some kind of endless loop for me. Reloading and reloading and reloading. In Safari.
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Loqi [chrisaldrich]: [eddie] left you a message 10 minutes ago: Same thing for Chrome.
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[eddie] ?
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[eddie] jeremycherfas what tool did you use to import your Kindle notes/highlights?
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[chrisaldrich] Eddie I swear that there is an home export from the Kindle desktop app, but neither Jeremy nor I can find it again now. I'm pretty sure that Jeremy documented his process on his stream.jeremycherfas.com site
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[chrisaldrich] s/home/html
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[chrisaldrich] I've got a few posts since October myself. Some should be referenced on /read
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[eddie] :thumbsup: Thanks
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[chrisaldrich] Oops. He's got a Net not com. And if was discussed on his older site (he just switched) https://vaviblog.com/content/all/?q=Book
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[eddie] Ah, there we go! Old site. Thanks ?
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jeremycherfas Eddie: I exported the highlights as HTML from my iPhone and then did some messing around to get the Markdown right.
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[eddie] Ahh, okay ? Good to know. I read through the posts and it seemed like you went on a journey but i wasn't sure if that was where you ended up
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jeremycherfas eddie: yup, that’s where I ended up. There’s too much variability between the way different Kindle books format locations in the text to make it wasy to automate.
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[kevinmarks] This is where fragmention would work better
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dgold incidentally, while looking to do the same thing on a Kobo I found this: https://github.com/pettarin/export-kobo
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dgold haven't used it yet, but it looks promising
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[jeremycherfas] I need to do a better write up.
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[jeremycherfas] Also waiting for a new public release of Known so I can get my data out of my other site -- which is a little ironic.
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[eddie] ? That is kind of funny and ironic
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[jeremycherfas] And a teeny bit annoying.
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[jeremycherfas] What is fragmention?
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Loqi A fragmention is an extension to URL syntax that links and cites a phrase within a document by using a URL fragment consisting of the phrase itself, including whitespace https://indieweb.org/fragmention
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[jeremycherfas] Kevin marks: does the entire document need to be online? Because the texts of the books I have read is not.
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sknebel What is pocket?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "pocket" yet. Would you like to create it?
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aaronpk o.O
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aaronpk https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2017/02/27/mozilla-acquires-pocket/
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Loqi Mozilla Acquires Pocket
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[eddie] "providing people everywhere with powerful tools to discover and access high quality web content, on their terms, independent of platform or content silo.” interesting
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voxpelli wow, unexpected, but interesting
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[jeremycherfas] Very interesting.
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[eddie] Other interesting bits: "Pocket’s core team and technology will also accelerate Mozilla’s broader Context Graph initiative.” and "will become part of the Mozilla open source project."
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voxpelli "Its 25-person team will continue working independently from its office in San Francisco"
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voxpelli I'm always surprised at how large the team behinds some of these products are
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aaronpk yeah for real.
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voxpelli With 25 full time people working on IndieWeb stuff, just imagine the things that could get created – something like 10 different Micropub clients, 5 Indiereaders, 10 publishing platforms
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voxpelli Can't Mozilla just hire all of us?
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aaronpk wow they raised a lot of money
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sknebel explains how they fed 25 people, since I suspect not all that many users paid the $40/y for the ad-free version?
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sknebel s/paid/pay
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sknebel oh, right, that had offline archive and search as well, so maybe
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@ChrisAldrich Annotation is now a web standard #indieweb https://hypothes.is/blog/annotation-is-now-a-web-standard (twitter.com/_/status/836295687193128960)
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Loqi [indieweb] "Annotation is now a web standard #indieweb https://hypothes.is/blog/annotation-is-now-a-web-standard" by Chris Aldrich on 2017-02-27 http://stream.boffosocko.com/2017/annotation-is-now-a-web-standard-indieweb-blogannotation-is-now-a-web-standard
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dgold [jeremycherfas]: have you written anything up on your process re kindle?
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dgold I've just realised that the export-kobo script can output kindle-formatted highlights
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GWG Afternoon
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dgold hey hey GWG
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dgold I tried to send you pizza, but I don't think it worked
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GWG dgold. what is new Indieweb wise
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GWG dgold, it wasn't fresh by the time it arrived. Tasted like paper
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Loqi [indieweb] "Liked this tweet: ChrisAldrich on Twitter: “Annotation is now a web standard #indieweb https://t.co/2IDktkeQOp“" by Scott Kingery on 2017-02-27 http://techlifeweb.com/15608-2/
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dgold GWG: https://hylozoist.ascraeus.org/2017/saturday-night-pizza-for-gwg-in
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Loqi [Daniel Goldsmith] Saturday night pizza, for GWG in https://hylozoist.ascraeus.org/file/e99e82e3df221ffbb9fff5bcd2006fe5/thumb.jpg #indieweb...
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GWG I printed it out.
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dgold ah!
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dgold sorry, didn't parse that - was the best I could do
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GWG dgold, I was attempting humor
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gRegorLove Howdy, indieweb
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@100daysindieweb Day 69: Initial Editing Support for Quill #100DaysOfIndieWeb: https://aaronparecki.com/2017/02/27/4/day-69-editing-in-quill (twitter.com/_/status/836318262061215745)
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aaronpk o/
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[jeremycherfas] Dgold: only bits and pieces. I will try to bring it all together.
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martymcguire[m] aaronpk++ for starting in on editing in quill!
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Loqi aaronpk has 474 karma in this channel (1229 overall)
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aaronpk thanks! it's a small start!
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@aaronpk I'm excited that @manton2 of http://micro.blog will be in town for Homebrew Website Club! You should come! ? ? https://indieweb.org/events/2017-03-01-homebrew-website-club (twitter.com/_/status/836340561271373825)
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aaronpk o.O that's my first pizza emoji
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aaronpk https://aaronparecki.com/emoji/%F0%9F%8D%95
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Loqi [Aaron Parecki] I'm excited that @manton2 of http://micro.blog will be in town for Homebrew Website Club! You should come! ? ? https://indieweb.org/events/2017-03-01-homebrew-website-club...
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aaronpk needs to add h-feed markup
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Loqi [indieweb] "Saturday night pizza, for GWG in" by Daniel Goldsmith on 2017-02-25 https://hylozoist.ascraeus.org/2017/saturday-night-pizza-for-gwg-in
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@ChrisAldrich Had a great lunch chatting about #IndieWeb & @WordPress with @cleverdevil and @GetSource at @DreamHost http://boffosocko.com/2017/02/27/checkin-dreamhost/ (twitter.com/_/status/836349838216347651)
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@softwarereview7 Had a great lunch chatting about #IndieWeb & @WordPress with @cleverdevil and @GetSource at @DreamHost…… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/836350375976288256 (twitter.com/_/status/836350375976288256)
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tentonbricks Web design is a perpetual interest of mine, though I've never taken the steps to actually make it happen. I'm currently enrolled in a fast-paced course that is teaching basics of computer programming - currently learning Python, and working toward a track in possibly Java, javascript, or c#. What path would be most beneficial for a project such as indieweb?
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tentonbricks (now is when someone chimes in and says "NONE OF THOSE!")
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[chrisaldrich] Seems like every time I make some progress in my /read workflow, one of the silos involved gets bought out: https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2017/02/27/mozilla-acquires-pocket/
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Loqi Mozilla Acquires Pocket
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[chrisaldrich] I think that Pinterest bought InstaPaper the day after I got the first parts working.
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GWG Evening
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tentonbricks wait... Pinterest bought InstaPaper?
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tentonbricks how did I not know that?
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[chrisaldrich] Howdy GWG! I'm playing around with the new Post Kinds. Feedback to come.
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GWG [chrisaldrich]: Hopefully, the work already progressed will be of value to you
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GWG [chrisaldrich]: Want a tip?
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[chrisaldrich] I'll take any tips you give.
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GWG [chrisaldrich]: Open the Developer Console when you hit the Retrieve button.
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tantek good afternoon #indieweb!
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aaronpk waves
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GWG Hi, tantek
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tantek hey aaronpk, I'll trade you. I'll take care of the h-event update if you update all the indieweb event pointers to the next HWC which happens to be in Portland :D https://indieweb.org/events/2017-03-01-homebrew-website-club
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tantek there's a freebie ;)
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aaronpk oh gosh doing this makes me want to automate it so bad
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tantek you know I made a list of steps right?
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aaronpk this right? https://indieweb.org/Events#How_To_Add_An_Event
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tantek yes
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aaronpk looks like they're all updated now
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tantek when is next-hwc?
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Loqi Homebrew Website Club Meetup is on 2017-03-01 at DreamHost https://indieweb.org/next-hwc
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tantek aaronpk, almost - sidebar
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aaronpk aha
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tantek 5th step in the list "for Homebrew Website Club (HWC) events: "
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gRegorLove Sidebar links to next-hwc, I thought?
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Loqi [indieweb] "Comment on Checkin DreamHost by Michael Kirk" by Michael Kirk on 2017-02-27 http://boffosocko.com/2017/02/27/checkin-dreamhost/#comment-33984
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[chrisaldrich] GWG, is that branch a full version of the plugin? Some parts seem to be missing.
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[chrisaldrich] Unless you moved it into the larger part, I'm not seeing the ability to select kinds, but I'm also not able to switch from one tab to another or use the retrieve button.
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[chrisaldrich] of course it could be something screwwy with my sandbox too... I'll check some pieces to doublecheck.
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miklb__ [chrisaldrich] fwiw, I started testing that branch last night locally and didn't experience those issues, but that's why testing is important
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tantek gRegorLove: the Sidebar *text* that says the locations
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[chrisaldrich] This is a brand new site I just set up for testing this too...
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miklb__ any js errors in the console?
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[chrisaldrich] tantek, I liked the Indieweb sound of the press release for the Pocket acquisition today... ?
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[chrisaldrich] no js errors
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tantek chrisaldrich - been trying to spread good indieweb culture all around
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[chrisaldrich] may have to come back in a bit as I have to run out to a $meeting
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tantek and at least one of the Pocket folks was the the IndieWeb meetup at XOXO conference/festival in Portland last September