#indieweb 2017-02-28
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[chrisaldrich] I rolled out some of my own my bookmarks stuff the day before Pinterest/Instapaper and just posted about /read_later yesterday, so I should have known something was up...
# [chrisaldrich] miklb & GWG back with more later this evening hopefully, though I have to say I'm excited for both RSVP's and Quotes that I can see hiding under the hood.
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tantek !tell benward,kevinmarks hey could you add the 2017-02-22 HWC SF photo(s) to the wiki? https://indieweb.org/events/2017-02-22-homebrew-website-club#Photos
# tantek !tell benwerd hey could you add the 2017-02-22 HWC SF photo(s) to the wiki? https://indieweb.org/events/2017-02-22-homebrew-website-club#Photos
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# [chrisaldrich] GWG; back to tinkering, redownloaded repo and have the retrieve button still working, but I'm still missing something somewhere because I still don't have the type UI to choose the right type. something else is still missing.
# [chrisaldrich] I thought about that too, or thought it might be hidden and need to be rechecked at the top, but it's totally missing.
# [chrisaldrich] I've got the new properties section though... I like the new layout
# [chrisaldrich] debating whether I like the popup to indicate that the scraper was done working.... I can see the benefit, but I'm so used to it just working now that I feel like it's going to be just an annoyance to click it away
# [chrisaldrich] the overall layout is nice and workable...
# [chrisaldrich] I'm missing the corner pull (box resize) on Summary/Quote for editing that....
# [chrisaldrich] it's just the right size, but could use UI to increase it if desired.
# [chrisaldrich] maybe similarly for the tags box too. I love the idea that it'll pull in tags
# [chrisaldrich] is it your intention to let a user easily cut/paste those tags into the pre-existing tag field? if so a comma separated version may be easier to deal with.
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# [chrisaldrich] Yes; I'll play around a bit more after dinner to see if it something else wonky...
# [chrisaldrich] the words "main" and "details" seem a bit generic and may/will be non-intuitive to new users. I don't mind at all because I know what they all are and what to expect, but a gen2/3 user may be a bit confused at first...
# [chrisaldrich] and that's the trouble is coming up with better ones.... maybe if tags were in "details" it might seem more appropriate to call that a "meta data" tab?
# [chrisaldrich] but even that just seems like more jargon
# [chrisaldrich] I'd say unless someone can come up with something better, leaving it as it is is more than fine. After using it twice, most users will know what's there and what to expect.
# [chrisaldrich] I like that it's almost small and compact enough that one could (almost) drag it into the right sidebar of the admin UI and have it work/look well.
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Loqi [indieweb] "Comment on Checkin DreamHost by Amanda J. Rush" by Amanda J. Rush on 2017-02-28 http://boffosocko.com/2017/02/27/checkin-dreamhost/#comment-33988
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@brianjesse using @reederapp on my iphone to follow #indieweb people, so far: @aaronpk @kevinmarks @davewiner @docsearls @manton2 @judell - who'd i miss (twitter.com/_/status/836415564666945536)
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# [chrisaldrich] GWG, you were right about the console output... interesting how pretty it is for an indieweb site versus something like the NY Times.
# [chrisaldrich] I rarely see things that provide little information at all, and based on some tests tonight, it almost seems like things got even better. I'm supposing it's the OG meta tags?
# [chrisaldrich] Oh, this is cool! I had no idea you could use keyboard shortcuts to navigate an SVG like a slideshow! Click on the little blue arrow to try it out: https://www.w3.org/annotation/diagrams/annotation-architecture.svg
# [chrisaldrich] Does this mean that one could create an entire website out of just a .svg file?
# @brianjesse people building the #indieweb @benwerd @t @evanpro @willnorris @chrismessina i'm using @reederapp on my iphone and @feedbin by @bsaid (twitter.com/_/status/836425551317381125)
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KartikPrabhu [chrisaldrich]: you can probably make any interaction using JS doesn't mean you should
# KartikPrabhu also using a SVG as an entire site smells a lot like Flash to me
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# @brianjesse #indieweb people i'm folowing with @reederapp on my iphone - @marccanter4real @danyork @stevegillmor @dangillmor @zephoria @anildash @jyri (twitter.com/_/status/836430647400943616)
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# [chrisaldrich] KartikPrabhu it sounded a lot like that to me to, but that doesn't mean that someone will manage to not only do it, but popularize it somehow ?
# KartikPrabhu of course people will do it, just like Flash
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[jeremycherfas] Tentinbricks: Maybe because it hasn't changed much and is still going strong?
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[kevinmarks] SVG at least is parsable underneath. It's a but fragile because xml, but you could put microformats in.
# Loqi [kevinmarks]: tantek left you a message 4 hours, 57 minutes ago: hey could you add the 2017-02-22 HWC SF photo(s) to the wiki? https://indieweb.org/events/2017-02-22-homebrew-website-club#Photos
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# KartikPrabhu [kevinmarks]: yes but you need JS to do the "moving/animation" things
# KartikPrabhu so no <a> element used
# [kevinmarks] Well, you can use css or smil too
# KartikPrabhu ok click events?
# KartikPrabhu on*
# KartikPrabhu also do browsers recognise SMIL?
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# [kevinmarks] Yes, though they were resisting https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/SVG/SVG_animation_with_SMIL
# KartikPrabhu snarfed: would mf2 parsers suffer similar problem?
# KartikPrabhu hmm interesting, so there should be some mf2 test for those
# KartikPrabhu it seems unicode is a big trouble point for the future
# KartikPrabhu I think kylewm did some thing with the mf2py code for it but I am not sure
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# KartikPrabhu yeah that is what I mean. If mf2 parsers fail the so will other indieweb stuff that mostly depend on it
# KartikPrabhu yes
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@m_strehl @MadeMyDay (in the voice of Theoden) "Where were the users when identi.ca left StatusNet? Where were they when IndieWeb stagnated? Where…!" (twitter.com/_/status/836506707635367939)
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# jeremycherfas Good morning
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sl007 cweiske - is it https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byte-Reihenfolge ? please see https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-bradley-oauth-jwt-encoded-state-06.pdf where it says "at_hash" - it's confusing for a noob like me - easy JS way?
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petermolnar endian, simply explained: http://geekandpoke.typepad.com/geekandpoke/2011/09/simply-explained-1.html
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# petermolnar dgold please give some more details
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# petermolnar right, that's GWG and pfefferle terroritory
# petermolnar you need to get in touch with then
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[eddie] Pretty excited to have thought through where I’m at and where I want to go with my site last night and have it documented on the Wiki today ? Now when I’m trying to figure out my next steps, I can visit here and get clarity. https://indieweb.org/User:Eddiehinkle.com
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# [chrisaldrich] Does anyone POSSE indieweb wiki pages? ?
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# [chrisaldrich] #thelastsilo
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# [kevinmarks] The unicode in urls thing should work eg Ryan's url is https://snarfed.org/2017-02-27_day-69-initial-editing-support-for-quill-100daysofindieweb-%E2%80%A2-aaron-parecki
# [kevinmarks] However, browsers decode the url in the address bar, so if you copy that, you may get unicode chars in like this https://snarfed.org/2017-02-27_day-69-initial-editing-support-for-quill-100daysofindieweb-•-aaron-parecki
# [kevinmarks] Which is trickier. Yes, the % encoded version is what you want
# [kevinmarks] Same problem with spaces in urls (eg in fragmentions)
# [kevinmarks] I got the one with a bullet by copying from the address bar on android Chrome
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# [kevinmarks] Sounds like a good area to write some tests
# KevinMarks Hm. Pasting with the bullet in both slack and irc seems to work with xray
# KevinMarks Is it getting a 301 from snarfed.org?
# KevinMarks Or is it just luck that it's a valid file system character?
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# jeremycherfas eddie: Wow, that’s impressive. And I really like the visual presentation on your site. Well done.
# [eddie] Thanks jeremycherfas! ? I’ve known about IndieWeb for awhile, just haven’t had much time over the last few years to work on my own site. So I’ve had a lot of thoughts marinating for quite a few years ? I’m a big fan of Material Design by Google, so I tried to implement that as I could. Haven’t spent as much time on the visuals of the site as I would like though
# jeremycherfas Eddie: are your Amazon links affiliate links? I’ve thought of doing that, but it seems kind of tacky.
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# jeremycherfas Need to think about that; I can’t imagine anyone ever actually purchasing anything based on my say so.
# jeremycherfas I am surprised. Good for you.
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# jeremycherfas Yeah, if they come from your site and don’t go anywhere else before buying something, I believe.
# jeremycherfas Something like that, yes. One site I visit a lot, The Online Photographer, makes that very clear in his pitch and asks people who are thinking about a purchase to go to amazon from his site.
# jeremycherfas Eddie: And of course it doesn’t cost the purchaser anything.
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# jeremycherfas I like that “automatically”! :)
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# [eddie] aaronpk: Once I get my micropub endpoint working on my site, and I start working on the share extension, I’ll have to send you builds via TestFlight, that would help make sure it’s working on more instances than just mine. My ultimate goal is to be able to release it as a free download in the app store, so that in general as long as someone has a micropub endpoint that accepts the data, the app would be configured for them. Obviously I haven’t
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[cleverdevil] I'm down to help test the Micropub share extension, too ?
# [cleverdevil] (I already have a Micropub endpoint working for my site).
# [cleverdevil] I use iOS a lot, but also would love to see a macOS version.
# [cleverdevil] I mostly use it in Safari, but I also use it in my RSS reader, too.
# [cleverdevil] Sometimes in the Finder or in Photos, actually.
# [cleverdevil] I'd love to be able to publish a photo to my site from the Photos app.
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# Loqi Workflow is an iOS app used to automate various actions https://indieweb.org/Workflow
# [cleverdevil] I already have done a Workflow-based publish via micropub, but its sort of a pain
# [cleverdevil] Something native would be muuuuuch more appealing.
# [cleverdevil] Its pretty sophisticated. Definitely a "power user" app.
# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "affiliate link" yet. Would you like to create it?
# Loqi business models are ways to offer indieweb products and or services that users pay for both for their own benefit, and in support an open indie web https://indieweb.org/business-model
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dgold [eddie]: https://ascraeus.org/page/textshotter/
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@ValdikSS Taking a moment to promote decentralized web and services: https://indieweb.org/ http://redecentralize.org/about/ https://redecentralize.github.io/alternative-internet/ (twitter.com/_/status/836675113244372994)
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voxpelli As shown in eg https://youtu.be/CBPmSpD2jN4
# voxpelli dgold: wrote about it here as well: https://voxpelli.com/2016/03/my-2015-in-indieweb/
# tantek huh - per that tweet ^^^ is it worth adding all the various indieweb projects that people here use to https://redecentralize.github.io/alternative-internet/ ? I think they accept pull requests
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aaronpk "Pull requests VERY welcome!" https://github.com/redecentralize/alternative-internet
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# Loqi downtime is the time period or duration while a site, whether indieweb, commons, or silo, is offline and unreachable https://indieweb.org/downtime
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