#indieweb 2017-03-13

2017-03-13 UTC
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snarfed
hey GWG your syndication links plugin has a migration path from v1 to v3, right? ie if i upgrade, it'll still preserve and use my existing stored synd links?
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GWG
snarfed: Yes. It should take the old info and move it to the new place. But backup is probably smart.
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GWG
Lots of changes
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GWG
It uses SVG, it stores it in mf2_syndication, so on and so forth
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GWG
I have a sudden desire to remind myself what I did. This is why I write changelogs
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GWG
snarfed: If I break your website, I will feel very guilty for a very long time.
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snarfed
lol. that'd be on me, not you
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GWG
Still, data migration makes me nervous
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GWG
snarfed: If it does work, any suggestions are always appreciated.
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snarfed
GWG: so it actually moves data? not just use the old location?
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GWG
If it doesn't find the new location, it checks the old location. If it finds it there, it moves it to the new location and removes the old.
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GWG
I've been very worried about that since I moved the Post Kinds data structure to mf2_ formatting so it would work with Micropub
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GWG
I redid the Syndication Links and Bridgy Publish structure for the same reason
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GWG
There are other ways to approach it. You can filter get_post_meta too.
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snarfed
oh, so lazily, ie during page load? not all at once at the beginning?
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GWG
Yes, during page load.
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GWG
Otherwise it would be an issue.
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GWG
Runaway cron was a concern
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snarfed
exactly
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GWG
After another few versions, I'll likely remove the check and then tell people they have to manually install the intermediate one. But that's for the future
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@VeggieTorta
@jaduncan @withknown Agreed, if it wasn't for @hertling new book & the mentioning of #indieweb i never would have ran into withknown.
(twitter.com/_/status/841150812860497920)
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@horse_mans
now everyone in the world uses twitter whose core ux is so broken many people just take screenshots of the drafts which won't fit in a tweet
(twitter.com/_/status/841106307721678848)
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@ChrisAldrich
@VeggieTorta There are a bunch of us using @withknown for #IndieWeb, so if you've got questions don't hesitate to find us there in chat/IRC
(twitter.com/_/status/841176864370622464)
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Loqi
[indieweb] "@VeggieTorta There are a bunch of us using @withknown for #IndieWeb, so if you've got questions don't hesitate to find us there in chat/IRC" by Chris Aldrich on 2017-03-13 http://stream.boffosocko.com/2017/veggietorta-there-are-a-bunch-of-us-using-withknown-for
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[jeremycherfas]
Can anyone point me to resources that will tell me how to make specific fields (excerpt, photo, audio) show up with the oembed plugin in WordPress?
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[chrisaldrich]
jeremycherfas which particular oembed plugin are you using?
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[jeremycherfas]
chrisaldrich I'm using the one by pfefferle
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[jeremycherfas]
I'll look at that other link.
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[jeremycherfas]
I want my WordPress site to provide rich embeds for elsewhere, as you suggested chrisaldrich
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petermolnar
that's a built-in feature since 4.3 (?)
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jeremycherfas
I saw that, but I cannot understand how to make certain fields show up. You test it by adding /embed to the URI, and I am not seeing the content there that I would like to.
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jeremycherfas
Any ideas how to make sure that, for example, the featured photo is shown?
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petermolnar
I'm fairly certain you have hooks for it
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petermolnar
but since I had that turned off from day 1, I never bothered to look
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petermolnar
let me check
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petermolnar
jeremycherfas what is the domain your dealing with?
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jeremycherfas
Www.fornacalia.com
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jeremycherfas
Just checking myself. Yes, oembed provider plugin is active.
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petermolnar
eh. the embed json it produces is an iframe - as embeds usually are - with some js black magic
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petermolnar
what would you expect it to show when embedded?
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jeremycherfas
A photograph and the excerpt of the post. Audio if there is some (which there is not on that site)
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jeremycherfas
I’m seeing the excerpt now. I would love to see a photo too.
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jeremycherfas
Maybe the core oEmbed and the plugin were conflicting in some way. Photo works OK with the pugin deactivated.
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petermolnar
ah. that's what I was referring to; it's on the core; I didn't realize you had the plugin as well
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jeremycherfas
Right. Thanks. I’d still like to show an audio player too, if possible. But that can wait.
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tantek
good morning #indieweb
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Zegnat
Good morning tantek
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snarfed1
morning!
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tantek
how was everyone's weekend? any good hacks / developments / personal site improvements?
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petermolnar
is in the middle of refactoring code and not completely enjoying it
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snarfed1
petermolnar: hope you have unit tests!
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snarfed1
re hacks, i tried and failed to refactor granary into shape to fully render u-video in all directions. will try again another time. https://github.com/snarfed/granary/issues/103
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tantek
I made a minor cassis.js auto_link bug fix that is unlikely to affect folks (involves a parameter to explicitly turn off embeds)
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tantek
(revealed by my own posting UI, so selfdogfooding FTW)
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tantek
selfdogfood++
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Loqi
selfdogfood has 5 karma in this channel (6 overall)
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tantek
realizes his upcoming events on his home page are out of date, again. manual hurts.
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tantek
fixing my permalink reply and repost icons (currently broken), and while there, tweaking the design a bit to give them some breathing room
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tantek
ok updated. now to broaden test to mobile etc. (which I'm ok with testing live with minor design tweaks)
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tantek
and that inspired me to make another fix. just one (longstanding) inconsistency in font size on my webaction links between desktop safari and mobile safari and I have no idea why
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Loqi
[indieweb] "A brief analogy of food culture and the internet" by Chris Aldrich on 2017-03-13 http://boffosocko.com/2017/03/13/a-brief-analogy-of-food-culture-and-the-internet/
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[chrisaldrich]
^^ My first intentional POSSE to IRC? Particularly since slack cuts off longer posts which aren't broken up.
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tantek
chrisaldrich - what made it intentional per se?
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tantek
oh I see the reply context
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tantek
"Are silos the equivalent of fast food?" Yes.
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[chrisaldrich]
I'll have to delve into it further, but I think the analogy could be taken quite far.
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[chrisaldrich]
I feel like there's a fantastic neologism out there waiting to be found for intellectual obesity though...
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tantek
chrisaldrich - obesity is just one form of bad health from fast food though
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aaronpk
good morning!
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Loqi
morning!
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tantek
can also have other causes (besides consuming fast food)
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tantek
what fast food is though is (typically) unhealthy, satiates short term desires., forms bad habits
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[chrisaldrich]
quite a lot of things I might otherwise post die as the result of manual until it hurts and it's usually because they're only fractionally formed.
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tantek
chrisaldrich, I found that by posting "long notes" it liberated many more of my posts
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[chrisaldrich]
quick and easy isn't always necessarily good....
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tantek
or bad
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[chrisaldrich]
Are "likes" similar to empty calories? I often find that I prefer substantive comments, questions, or longer form replies than the "star", "thumbs up" or "hearts" others like to give. In fact,
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[chrisaldrich]
I don't often POSSE/PESSOS those and prefer something like /bookmark or /read which feel like they're in some sense similar, but have more weight.
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snarfed
starts trying vulnerability scanners to help improve his services' security. first up: metasploit and burp
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[chrisaldrich]
I ran across this little project yesterday and thought that some might appreciate its value: https://www.proporti.onl/
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[chrisaldrich]
For your Twitter account, it estimates the gender distribution of your followers and those you follow, based on their profile descriptions or first names in an attempt to help you more evenly distribute what you're consuming.
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snarfed
that .onl TLD though (!)
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snarfed
bear++ thanks! (already struggling to install metasploit on mac os)
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Loqi
bear has 132 karma in this channel (180 overall)
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bear
oh - don't run them from your own laptop!
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bear
you will get flagged by your ISP
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bear
(will likely get...)
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aaronpk
hah good point
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bear
spin up a DO or packet.net instance and use that as the launch point
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snarfed
oh definitely only running against localhost
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[chrisaldrich]
!tell jeremycherfas I don't remember if I mentioned it, but this oEmbed video may be helpful, I've ffwed to the relevant section, but the early portion is helpful too https://videopress.com/v/Zv05OzFV?at=899
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[jeremycherfas]
chrisaldrich My time for serious reading is over, but I'm looking forward to chowing down on that in about 12 hours.
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Loqi
[jeremycherfas]: [chrisaldrich] left you a message 3 minutes ago: I don't remember if I mentioned it, but this oEmbed video may be helpful, I've ffwed to the relevant section, but the early portion is helpful too https://videopress.com/v/Zv05OzFV?at=899
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[chrisaldrich]
the video walks through some good video/audio examples too if I recall, so happy eating...
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gRegorLove
Good morning, indieweb
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[jeremycherfas]
To continue, are people who retweet any reaction to their own tweets selfdogfooding to the point of obesity?
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[chrisaldrich]
can't wait for consuming Jeremy's improved oEmbed functionality... I've been manually embedding some of (until it hurts) but am happy to do so to increase his audience. ?
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[jeremycherfas]
chrisaldrich I watched that video once. I should probably So so again.
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[chrisaldrich]
jeremycherfas Many over-retweet things that promote themselves as social proof that they're cool and relevant. This shouldn't prevent you from bragging a bit yourself however as @eatpodcast should be far more popular.
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[jeremycherfas]
Glad to have got oembeds working from the bread site. Next up will be to get an audio thing in the frame. And maybe a different image because the featured image in WP is not necessarily the best one to share.
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[jeremycherfas]
You make it easy for me to do that without over-promoting.
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[chrisaldrich]
jeremycherfas a nice trick is to just add /embed/ to the end of your URLs to test what they'll look like as you're building: eg: http://www.fornacalia.com/2017/black-pepper-rye/embed/
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[jeremycherfas]
Yup. That one is good to go, now that I've set display: none; for the featured image. Probably need to tweak the theme again.
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[chrisaldrich]
embedding audio may be a tad more complicated for eatthispodcast, but I think would be well worth it.
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[chrisaldrich]
I think that the folder in your WP install /wp-includes/theme-compat/ has a bunch of files like embed.php that you could cut/paste into your child theme and then modify to add fields into your embeds.
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[chrisaldrich]
It's kind of like modifying your RSS feeds or even your theme manually, it just helps to know where to look to make the modifications
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tantek
what is Proporti.onl
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "Proporti.onl" yet. Would you like to create it?
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[kevinmarks]
Embedding audio is pretty easy with modern browsers. Just use an audio tag.
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tantek
chrisaldrich - I think the consumption analogy is best for comparing the reading experience
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tantek
e.g. reading social media is like eating junk food
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[jeremycherfas]
kevinmarks Does that apply for getting them to show up in a WP oembed?
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tantek
chrisaldrich did you have a dfn for Proporti.onl?
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[chrisaldrich]
tantek, the fact that it's so easy to share/repost also makes it easier for others to eat that too... I'm always so disheartened when I see numbers about people resharing content that they don't bother to read themselves.
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tantek
just tried it and apparently I'm following 10% more women than are following me!
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tantek
on Twitter - so I guess that is good/
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[chrisaldrich]
remember that it's just taking a sample, so you may want to try it a few times...
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tantek
chrisaldrich now that would be an interesting thing to see if you could detect automatically - did the person sharing this link actually read it?
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tantek
huh first use of deauthorize I've seen in a UI
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tantek
what is deauthorize?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "deauthorize" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek
what is authorize?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "authorize" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek
what is OAuth?
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Loqi
OAuth is an authorization protocol created to replace the need for client applications of a service (e.g. a silo) to ask for your username and password to the service in order to access the service on your behalf https://indieweb.org/oauth
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tantek
what is authorization?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "authorization" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek
aaronpk help! ^^^
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[jeremycherfas]
Tantek you could go all out like that Norwegian paper and make them take a quiz.
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[chrisaldrich]
Proporti.onl is a [[Twitter]] app that estimates the gender distribution of your followers and those you follow, based on their profile descriptions or first names in an attempt to help you more evenly distribute what you're consuming.
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tantek
jeremycherfas: detect automatically - meaning without having to ask
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[chrisaldrich]
Tantek, it's one of the things i like most about /read posts or even having microformats on a post/reshare which does indicate that a person has actually read the thing they're sharing.
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[jeremycherfas]
Yes. Missing smiley alert.
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[chrisaldrich]
I also like the ability to annotate/highlight pieces of content. Twitter posts with highlights or pull quotes are also an interesting piece of social proof that the sharer has actually read (all or at least a portion of) a post
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tantek
chrisaldrich could you expand on *why* you like to highlight content? and maybe provide a real world example of a "highlight" that you saved / posted?
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tantek
what is a highlight
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Loqi
A highlight is a reaction post of a range of content that consists typically of just a restyling (like a yellow background as you might use a yellow physical highlighter, or an underline) https://indieweb.org/highlight
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tantek
checks page history and discovers, oh...
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[chrisaldrich]
how does highlight in that sense differ from a quote post? the reaction that follows it?
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[kevinmarks]
jeremycherfas it depends on how they do the oembed. There is a variant that lets you send html to use, but a lot of sites ignore that our of fear of injection
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[jeremycherfas]
kevinmarks I read about that and that the fear is one reason to favour iframes. Is that correct?
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[chrisaldrich]
I find that a lot of the things I highlight are saved as private posts, or aren't done for public consumption for anyone but me. It's also an area that I'm actively working on developing.
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[kevinmarks]
Iframes are more sandboxed, but do normally call back to an external site, so it depends if you worry about tracking or injection
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[chrisaldrich]
a tentative public example from a few months ago can be found on a NYTimes article I highlighted: http://boffosocko.com/2017/01/19/obamas-secret-to-surviving-the-white-house-years-books-the-new-york-times/#Such+books+were (see the blue section just below the fragmention), but I need to get back to the CSS portion of the presentation.
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Loqi
[Michiko Kakutani] Obama’s Secret to Surviving the White House Years: Books | The New York Times http://0.gravatar.com/avatar/fbd889ef4771f055451c6fc5e7d79651?s=42&d=mm&r=pg
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[chrisaldrich]
On that post, there should also be several yellow highlights visible by way of the use of hypothes.is on the page in conjunction with the canonical URL of the original. Those yellow highlights stem from hypothes.is users who highlighted on the original post. So one type of highlighting is for my own use while I can still enable seeing the highlights of others the way Amazon's Kindle allows you to turn those on/off.
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[jeremycherfas]
kevinmarks I am the provider, in this case, so I guess it is others who would worry.
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[kevinmarks]
Proportion.onl has that retro bootstrap desktop only look
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sknebel
bootstrap is "retro" now?
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tantek
chrisaldrich - excellent question about highlight vs. quotation
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tantek
definitely worth brainstorming about that ... once you provide some real world examples of highlight posts :)
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tantek
*existing* highlight posts - not new ones created (just) for the sake of discussion :D
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[chrisaldrich]
there's actually a lot of semantic overlap in highlights, annotations, notes, etc. when it comes to the older "book" versions of these words compared to the "online" versions
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tantek
hence why prefer and analyze online versions
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tantek
though if you want to upload book screenshots as archeological evidence, by all means ;)
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[chrisaldrich]
tantek: that's why I used that old example from December... ? I think there's a better way of doing it though. I also don't think I've created a highlight-only specific post, but have used it as a sub-category for other posts like /read.
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tantek
hmm - I didn't see any highlight post there (or linked to?)
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tantek
a subcategory is just a /tag
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tantek
which is fine to start with for sure
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tantek
I think that's how barnabywalters started some of his specific post types
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[chrisaldrich]
above at 11:49am, it's more obvious on slack because it expanded the embed
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tantek
that has a lot of commentary - far beyond a highlight
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tantek
the highlight there just seems like a presentational implementation of a fragmention reply-context
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tantek
the commentary appears to be the primary content of the post
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tantek
not the highlight
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[kevinmarks]
Unresponsive bootstrap is retro
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Loqi
[indieweb] "Gender estimates of my twitter according to proporti.onl - lots of unknown on both ends" by Kevin Marks on 2017-03-13 http://known.kevinmarks.com/2017/gender-estimates-of-my-twitter-according-to-proportionl---lots
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[chrisaldrich]
The entire post is a repost of an NYTimes article and the blue highlights on the page are my highlights from it. The yellow portion was a fragmention of a paragraph above my highlight -- I didn't want the fragmention to overshadow the highlight I made (via CSS) using a <mark> tag.
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[chrisaldrich]
Technically my post was a /read post with an entire excerpt and my highlights added via CSS with <mark>
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[chrisaldrich]
kevinmarks, I'd consider that to be a highlight post.
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[kevinmarks]
If I'd highlighted the physical book it would have qualified
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[chrisaldrich]
Here's another older example I found on my site from 2010, though I have it presented more like a quote given the technology of the time: http://boffosocko.com/2010/06/04/continuum-functional-integrals/
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[kevinmarks]
aaronpk, how do I get the add to homepage link from quill again? Do I have to reauth?
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aaronpk
it's on the new note screen
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aaronpk
guess i should move that to settings
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[kevinmarks]
Or pur in the footer?
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[kevinmarks]
When I'm on new note, I'm thinking about the not
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[kevinmarks]
*put *note
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[chrisaldrich]
tantek is there a canonical microformat class for adding to highlights? If not I'll coin one now and start using it...
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[chrisaldrich]
Does "p-highlight-of" make sense?
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[chrisaldrich]
Or is this just duplicating/muddying the intent of mark up like <blockquote> <cite> et al.?
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[chrisaldrich]
in addition to u-quotation-of and h-cite?
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[chrisaldrich]
Though I think there are subtle enough distinctions for highlighting vs. quotation, particularly when using multiple different highlighter colors to indicate different reasons for highlighting (both in books) as well as the multiple colors that Kindles currently allow.
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Loqi
[Chris Aldrich] Book Review: Fletch Reflected by Gregory Mcdonald http://1.gravatar.com/avatar/d5fb4e498fe609cc29b04e5b7ad688c4?s=42&d=mm&r=pg
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KartikPrabhu
I think p-bookmark-of with a fragmention is a highlight
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KartikPrabhu
tantek sort of said that already nvm
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[chrisaldrich]
I think there's more subtlety in highlights versus bookmarks w/ fragmention as well as in quotations. I've updated /highlight a bit with some examples in the wild.
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KartikPrabhu
what is highlight
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Loqi
A highlight is a reaction post of a range of content that consists typically of just a restyling (like a yellow background as you might use a yellow physical highlighter, or an underline) https://indieweb.org/highlight
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[chrisaldrich]
There can also be subtlety in why someone highlighted something, in some part this is why pen companies sell multi-colored highlighters in packages
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KartikPrabhu
the examples don't say why those are different from bookmark+fragmention
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KartikPrabhu
also p-highlight-of does not distinguish "different colours" either
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KartikPrabhu
also the "different colours" seem like tags on the bookmark+fragmention
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[chrisaldrich]
trying to distinguish between different colors is doable, though is probably a losing battle as different people are going to assign different meaning to which colors they prefer to use.
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[chrisaldrich]
I'll buy the idea of "tags" on different colors, that makes sense to me.
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KartikPrabhu
usually hightliting colours are supposed to mean something that is not just "this is green", tags work for that
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[chrisaldrich]
One may run into trouble trying to bookmark+fragmention things online for objects which don't exist online hoewever: examples include real books (KevinMarks' twitter example) and e-books.
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KartikPrabhu
[chrisaldrich]: here is a whole bunch of fragmentioned-bookmarks https://kartikprabhu.com/notes/2016-12#bm-resilientweb-choose-tools-wisely
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[chrisaldrich]
those are great Kartik, thanks.
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sknebel
http://venturebeat.com/2017/03/13/baidu-launches-swiftscribe-an-app-that-transcribes-audio-with-ai/ might be interesting for some here (free audio transcribing tool with (cloud) speech recognition)
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[kevinmarks]
Well, I could look that book up in open library or google books
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[chrisaldrich]
wishes I had a JS browser bookmarklet for highlighting text to create quick fragmentions link the way KartikPrabhu's site implements natively.
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[chrisaldrich]
Thanks Kartik, I was just searching for it as I thought you'd put it online somewhere....
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KartikPrabhu
it isn't polished as I made it quickly to see if it works :P
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KartikPrabhu
[chrisaldrich]: in my fragmentioned-bookmarks, I am also "quoting" the text below only because I don't have reply-contexts yet. Else I would try to "highlight" the words inside the reply-context
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[chrisaldrich]
I also see you've got a trailing word "because...." and I'm assuming you could potentially add a reason/note/annotation there?
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KartikPrabhu
yes, the because to add my own commentary. I have "because" in likes and bookmarks
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KartikPrabhu
so the text of the post reads "Kartik Prabhu liked a post on example.com because <reason>"
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KartikPrabhu
or "kartik Prabhu replied to a post on example.com with <reply>"
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KartikPrabhu
text-first-design++
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Loqi
text-first-design has 1 karma
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@kevinmarks
Jeremy is spot on here - Google crawl already runs js and times pages, so validating AMP should be easy http://adactio.com/journal/12011 #indieweb
(twitter.com/_/status/841393084357271552)
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Loqi
[indieweb] "Jeremy is spot on here - Google crawl already runs js and times pages, so validating AMP should be easy http://adactio.com/journal/12011 #indieweb" by Kevin Marks on 2017-03-13 http://known.kevinmarks.com/2017/jeremy-is-spot-on-here---google-crawl-already-runs
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@kevinmarks
“our data is used by large companies for psychological manipulation—we call this advertising” - @schneier https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2017/03/defense_against.html #indieweb
(twitter.com/_/status/841394313212788737)
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Loqi
[indieweb] "“our data is used by large companies for psychological manipulation—we call this advertising” - @schneier https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2017/03/defense_against.html #indieweb" by Kevin Marks on 2017-03-13 http://known.kevinmarks.com/2017/our-data-is-used-by-large-companies-for-psychological-manipulationwe
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Loqi
[indieweb] "Yesterday, Cadwalladr laid down this challenge to all of us: "The correlation between technology, capital, influence, and power hasn't been brought together effectively." This is" by Kevin Marks on 2017-03-13 http://known.kevinmarks.com/2017/yesterday-cadwalladr-laid-down-this-challenge-to-all-of-us
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tantek
chrisaldrich highlight colors! now that makes sense (in terms of capturing behavior)
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tantek
I've definitely seen that in physical books, from the same author, to highlight for different (author-specific) reasons, but also online (e.g. Etherpad UI) with different colors to indicate different authors
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tantek
chrisaldrich I've yet to see an actual real world example of a highlight post that shows how it is different from a bookmark of a fragmention
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tantek
If you have one that illustrates that semantic subtlety, it would be great to analyze it
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tantek
have to admit the color aspect would both demo well, and provide an actual reason for a separte p-highlight property
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tantek
might want an 'auto' value though just to let the destination pick the color
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tantek
or at least express that the color doesn't matter from the highlight author's perspective, it's just a highlight
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KartikPrabhu
tantek: I think the trouble is the the "highlight colours" mean different things to different people
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KartikPrabhu
your "red highlight" does not mean that I want to highlight it red too
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tantek
KartikPrabhu: sure, it can just indicate highlight author preferences, it could just be ignored by the receiver, and or transformed into something
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KartikPrabhu
then why mark it up?
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tantek
is that an abolutist framing implied question?
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KartikPrabhu
as in if the receiver can ignore it then why mark up the colour?
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KartikPrabhu
should I as a receiver ignore all "highlight colours" or not depending on who sends it?
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tantek
because "can ignore" is neither a reason to mark something up or not to mark something up
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tantek
you as a receiver have to make intelligent (read: not absolute) decisions about what to do about every webmention you receive
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tantek
not *just absolute
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KartikPrabhu
ok, I'll wait for actual examples. I don't plan to consume highlights any way
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tantek
"wait for actual examples" *is* a good reason to procrastinate
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tantek
given how nice it is in Etherpad, I feel it could be helpful
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tantek
especially if the color were used for other reasons to like /edit posts
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KartikPrabhu
right, I would think using colour based on some common intent is better like /edit
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tantek
we have even fewer /edit real world examples though
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arush
Will probably want to look at a way to communicate that something is highlighted with something else along with color. Maybe a tag that can be used, similar to <em> or <strong>?
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tantek
arush, the use of a specific tag will likely be optional, however both of those could work for the author of a highlight
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tantek
for the receiver of a highlight, the <mark> element might be better, though I'm on the fence about whether to use it at all
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Loqi
[indieweb] "Liked this tweet: VeggieTorta on Twitter: &#8220;@jaduncan @withknown Agreed, if it wasn&#8217;t for @hertling new book &#038; the mentioning of #indieweb i never would have ran into withknown.&#8221;" by Scott Kingery on 2017-03-13 http://techlifeweb.com/15678-2/
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GWG
Good afternoon
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arush
Hi GWG.
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GWG
arush, are you the arush of arush.io?
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arush
@GWG yes.
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KartikPrabhu
Who is arush?
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KartikPrabhu
hmm Loqi no response?
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arush
Amanda Rush.
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GWG
arush: I have been wanting to be of service with your issues.
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GWG
And hope you had a nice Purim
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KartikPrabhu
arush: GWG works on the Wordpress indieweb plugins so he might be able to help with your webmention issues
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arush
@GWG thanks for your help! And yes I had a nice Purim.
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arush
I've performed every WordPress troubleshooting step I can think of and I think this is the first time in a while WP has thrown a problem I don't know how to solve. :)
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leg
What relevance has OCS for IndieWeb? http://www.open-collaboration-services.org/ocs/, I could not find OCS on the Indieweb Wiki.
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tantek
welcome leg, this is the first I've heard of OCS myself.
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arush
But I suspect the problem is with WP and not Bridgy as I can't find any errors in Bridgy logs and it appears to be sending the webmentions it should.
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tantek
leg, as OCS specifically seems API related, it may be more appropriate for the #indieweb-dev channel - are you on/in there?
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leg
tantek: not yet :)
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GWG
arush: How did you confirm non Bridgy webmentions were coming?
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arush
@GWG I put out a call on my other Twitter account asking for native webmentions on a specific post, and when they started coming in, they showed up either in the comment moderation cue or the spam cue. The webmentions that show up came from apps like Known, ETC., but anything posted in reply to syndicated posts on Twitter or Facebook has not shown up in either moderation or spam cue.
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GWG
Well, what did the Bridgy logs say?
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arush
They do, however, show up as sent when I log into Bridgy.
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snarfed
GWG: the bridgy wms were all received successfully
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GWG
Well, there are a few options. One is the query string webmention endpoint...but we supported that before we had anything else.
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GWG
Anything in the site error log?
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arush
@GWG the tweet that started the test, including the link for which I asked for webmentions: https://twitter.com/cswordpress/status/840004242744172544
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@cswordpress
Hey can I get one of you wonderful #indieweb ppl to send a webmention to http://www.arush.io/?p=43641 ?
(twitter.com/_/status/840004242744172544)
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arush
@GWG hang on, let me double-check.
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arush
@gwg this may be relevant: from the server logs: [Mon Mar 13 00:17:54.449118 2017] [:error] [pid 836] [client 104.196.141.10:54140] WordPress database error Illegal mix of collations (latin1_swedish_ci,IMPLICIT) and (utf8mb4_unicode_520_ci,COERCIBLE) for operation '=' for query SELECT comment_ID FROM wp_comments WHERE comment_post_ID = 43652 AND comment_parent = '0' AND comment_approved != 'trash' AND ( comment_author = 'Amanda' )
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arush
AND comment_content = 'Well hi there, the Facebook! Thanks for noticing that I posted something about how <a href=\\"http://www.arush.io/?p=43652\\">your efforts to become the central authentication service for everything</a> is not a good thing, and showing your appreciation by showing me an ad for, you guessed it, an ad for passwordless secure authentication. I\xe2\x80\x99ve attached a screenshot for the light slaves, but for the
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arush
blinks, the relevant text is this: \\n<blockquote>Suggested Post\\nSecureAuth\\nPasswordless is possible with modern adaptive authentication defense layers. Download this guide to learn how eliminate passwords while improving security and user experience.\\nRemove Reliance on Passwords\\ninfo.secureauth.com\\nLearn More\\nCustom\\nLikeReactCommentShareLike PageFull StoryMoreSponsored</blockquote>\\nYet another advantage to owning my
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arush
do_action_ref_array, WP_Hook->do_action, WP_Hook->apply_filters, call_user_func_array, rest_api_loaded, WP_REST_Server->serve_request, WP_REST_Server->dispatch, call_user_func, Webmention_Receiver::post, wp_new_comment, wp_allow_comment, referer: http://www.arush.io/?rest_route=/webmention/1.0/endpoint
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arush
own data: I can share the text of screenshots as text. \xf0\x9f\x99\x82\\nSyndicated to:<a href=\\"https://www.facebook.com/10212341171546339\\" rel=\\"nofollow\\"> Facebook</a>' LIMIT 1 /* From [www.arush.io/?rest_route=/webmention/1.0/endpoint] in [/nas/content/live/unvarnishedme/wp-content/plugins/webmention/includes/class-webmention-receiver.php:215] */ made by require('wp-blog-header.php'), wp, WP->main, WP->parse_request,
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Loqi
[Amanda] “The One Authentication Service to Rule Them All”
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GWG
Never seen that before.
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arush
@gwg OK grepping for everything to do with webmention
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GWG
Yes, but that seems to be an issue with various encoding schemes.
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GWG
It might have been triggered by webmentions, but it seems to be a database issue
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arush
@gwg there's also this: [Mon Mar 13 00:20:38.943553 2017] [:error] [pid 11994] [client 104.196.141.10:55945] PHP Warning: Invalid argument supplied for foreach() in /nas/content/live/unvarnishedme/wp-content/plugins/semantic-linkbacks/includes/class-linkbacks-mf2-handler.php on line 292, referer: http://www.arush.io/?rest_route=/webmention/1.0/endpoint
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GWG
arush: I'm chasing that one down right now as it is in my own logs.
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GWG
I make the rounds of various plugins, and I'm working on PRs for webmention and Semantic Linkbacks at the moment.
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GWG
arush: I do advise you open issues as needed on the Github pages for either, as that is how pfefferle and I, the two primary contributors, track them.
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GWG
Also, any suggestions, feature requests, etc.
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arush
@GWG I've been meaning to make time to file issues, get involved with the plugins, ETC.
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GWG
arush: Me too.
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GWG
There are never enough hours in the day
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GWG
I wish I could do everything I dream those plugins could be.
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arush
gwg: I'd personally like to see indieweb/microblogging ETC. become part of WordPress core, and see accessibility become ingrained in the indieweb. Yeah, those are lofty goals. :)
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GWG
arush: My attempts on that have also not been wonderful. Re accessibility, if you can help make the plugins more accessible, I'd love a perspective on that. I really don't know enough.
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GWG
The two areas I could use a better perspective in are internationalization and accessibility. I want to build in the support, but I could really use someone who knows more to help.
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arush
gwg: yes, I'd love to help with the accessibility of the plugins.
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arush
Are their github repos listed on their plugin pages on wordpress.org?
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arush
I think I may have installed them directly from WordPress so didn't go look at the plugins repo.
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GWG
arush: They are in the plugin notes that development and support is on github.
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GWG
I consider Wordpress.org the 'stable' version
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GWG
Although not always so stable.
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gRegorLove
Github repos should be listed on the wiki plugin pages too: https://indieweb.org/WordPress/Plugins
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arush
That reminds me I need to go add myself to the indieweb wiki. I meant to do that and got distracted with something else. :)
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GWG
gRegorLove: I thought we had a Post Kinds plugin page
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GWG
I probably should update that
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gRegorLove
Yeah, I linked to it. It doesn't appear to link to the github repo
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hs0ucy_
Hello i'm trying to display brid.gy/twitter/hs0ucy responses on my site via webmention.herokuapp.com but it's retun nothing `{"site":"hugo.soucy.cc","mentions":[]}`
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snarfed
cc voxpelli (webmention.herokuapp author)
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hs0ucy_
snarfed: Thanks ^^
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tantek
what is chat?
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Loqi
chat is a set of brainstorms for what an amazing indieweb friendly chat web app/site could do https://indieweb.org/chat
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tantek
really?
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tantek
yeah ok that can use an XKCD
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KevinMarks
so the webmention part is working
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Loqi
[Hugo Soucy] «That’s a pain because Apple insists on shipping a very old version of Emacs—apparently to avoid GPL 3—and mu4e won’t build because it thinks Emacs is too old.» — ...
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hs0ucy_
KevinMarks: Ah cool :)