#indieweb 2017-03-17

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@100daysindieweb Day 86: Updating IndieAuth Docs #100DaysOfIndieWeb: https://aaronparecki.com/2017/03/16/17/day-86-indieauth (twitter.com/_/status/842531568572809216)
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Loqi Just generated the first draft of this week's newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2017-03-17.html I'll generate a draft again tomorrow, so please add to it before then! https://indieweb.org/this-week#How_to
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__number5__ blogger jsdr is pretty annoying, why google promting static pages but giving us this shit...
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aaronpk heh yeah
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aaronpk you say that as if Google is a single entity that thinks and behaves cohesively
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__number5__ the old blogger.com running by Ev was mostly static, but changed after Google bought them
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KartikPrabhu blogger/blogspot stil works withour JS, you just don't use their "dynamic temapltes"
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__number5__ I'm saying from readers' point of view, e.g. http://penningpence.blogspot.com.au/2017/03/first-impressions-google-cloud-sql-for.html this will be with js and emtpy html tags if read without js
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KartikPrabhu yeah, that is because they are using the "dynamic templates" nonsese
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KartikPrabhu my old blog still is readable http://paralleltransport.blogspot.com/
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KartikPrabhu it is absolutely Blogger's fault not the people who use it
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@unormal Ok I greenfielded A WORKING CLOUD BACKED SERVING A REST API LOOK IM A INDIEWEB ROCKSTAR (twitter.com/_/status/842606444444708864)
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@ChrisAldrich @pfefferle I saw https://ichmagdiesen.link/ and thought you might appreciate playing around with PressForward http://boffosocko.com/2016/12/31/pressforward-as-an-indieweb-wordpress-based-rss-feed-reader-pocketinstapaper-replacement/ (twitter.com/_/status/842606966321041412)
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Loqi [indieweb] "@pfefferle I saw https://ichmagdiesen.link/ and thought you might appreciate playing around with PressForward http://boffosocko.com/2016/12/31/pressforward-as-an-indieweb-wordpress-based-rss-feed-reader-pocketinstapaper-replacement/" by Chris Aldrich on 2017-03-17 http://stream.boffosocko.com/2017/pfefferle-i-saw-and-thought-you-might-appreciate-playing-around
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Loqi [indieweb] "Comment on PressForward as an IndieWeb WordPress-based RSS Feed Reader & Pocket/Instapaper Replacement by Chris Aldrich" by Chris Aldrich on 2017-03-17 http://boffosocko.com/2016/12/31/pressforward-as-an-indieweb-wordpress-based-rss-feed-reader-pocketinstapaper-replacement/#comment-34134
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[jeremycherfas] snarfed I'd love to see such a social graph, especially if it included platform.
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snarfed [jeremycherfas]: platform? CMS?
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[jeremycherfas] Yes, cms.
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@jkphl @m_ott Willkommen an Bord zum Workshop!! Heißt das, du bist auch zum @indiewebcamp da? Dann auch Zugfahrt gefällig? (Heute letzte Chance ..) (twitter.com/_/status/842629397953888256)
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@m_ott @jkphl ? Wahrscheinlich nur zum @indiewebcamp DUS, fahre am Di Abend für einen Tag zurück nach Stuttgart und das WE drauf ist schon voll. (twitter.com/_/status/842633734356717568)
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@calum_ryan going to ? Homebrew Website Club London RSVP: https://calumryan.com/event/hwc-20170322/ Wiki: https://indieweb.org/events/2017-03-22-homebrew-website-club Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/events/1304302216316701/ (twitter.com/_/status/842644400618594304)
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@jkphl ⌛ Last chance today to literally jump on the #IndieWebWeek train from DUS → NUE on May 17th. Join in! http://indiewebweek.indieweb.org/#transfer #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/842648445798223873)
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Loqi [indieweb] "Comment on PressForward as an IndieWeb WordPress-based RSS Feed Reader & Pocket/Instapaper Replacement by Matthias Pfefferle" by Matthias Pfefferle on 2017-03-17 http://boffosocko.com/2016/12/31/pressforward-as-an-indieweb-wordpress-based-rss-feed-reader-pocketinstapaper-replacement/#comment-34140
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j4y_funabashi morning
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j4y_funabashi hey, anyone else have any recommendations? https://j4y.co/p/20170224093044_58affd44b615c
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Loqi US Indiewebbers - My partner and I are three weeks away from a big adventure travelling down the west coast by train. We are staying in Seattle, Portland, San Francisco, LA, Yosemite and Las Vegas. I was wondering if you have any recommendations for ...
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j4y_funabashi We fly tomorrow :D
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KevinMarks https://twitter.com/codepo8/status/842696211408785409
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@codepo8 If you publish your online CV, go all in http://noahstokes.com/ (twitter.com/_/status/842696211408785409)
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KevinMarks J4y_funabashi: have a look in Foursquare - good recommendations there, and several of us feed info into swarm
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j4y_funabashi KevinMarks: Thanks, aaronpk also sent me to his foursquare lists
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Zegnat KevinMarks, more online CV talk: https://amberwilson.co.uk/blog-page/markup-masterclass.html
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hs0ucy good morning
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[kevinmarks] The other reason I suggest foursquare is that it is good at suggesting nearby things too
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[chrisaldrich] good morning indiewebs
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tantek good morning chrisaldrich!
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[chrisaldrich] hello tantek!
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[kevinmarks] Morning West coast
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[chrisaldrich] I'm just admiring the class names in the divs on the CV at noahstokes.com that kevinmarks highlighted above. ROTFL
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[chrisaldrich] j4y_funabashi, You might also try Caterina Fake's https://findery.com/ which may not have as much data as foursquare/swarm, but when it does it's usually very rich.
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[chrisaldrich] kevinmarks, how are things across the pond? settling in?
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Loqi [indieweb] "Comment on PressForward as an IndieWeb WordPress-based RSS Feed Reader & Pocket/Instapaper Replacement by Matthias Pfefferle" by Matthias Pfefferle on 2017-03-17 http://boffosocko.com/2016/12/31/pressforward-as-an-indieweb-wordpress-based-rss-feed-reader-pocketinstapaper-replacement/#comment-34156
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[kevinmarks] Yes, I'm now hooked on co-op food, and my boys just arrived for the weekend
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[chrisaldrich] easier to source elevenses now I'll bet...
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KartikPrabhu Loqi messages?
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snarfed what's that quote about free speech? i may disagree with what you say, but i'll defend to my death your right to say it? https://brid.gy/twitter/glsfour
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tantek snarfed, it was bound to happen. do you have a ToS or CoC for Bridgy?
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snarfed tantek: good q. not yet, largely because there's so little users can do. notably, they can't post any content or interact with other users.
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tantek as bridgy does host the synthetic webmention, that's "posting content" of a sort
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snarfed eh, that's a stretch. the content is posted on a silo. bridgy just renders it transiently.
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tantek like a cache I suppose
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@schmarty Screech, an #IndieWeb podcasting app, is now publicly available: https://martymcgui.re/2017/03/17/133511/ (twitter.com/_/status/842791903305367553)
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tantek !tell jkphl do you know anything about Hetzner Online or this IP address in particular? https://w3bin.com/ip_info/148.251.41.232
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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gRegorLove Nice Screech logo, martymcguire[m]
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[chrisaldrich] schmarty Hrm... tried testing Screech with known, uploaded a 13min test file and got "Internal Server Error: The server encountered an internal error and was unable to complete your request. Either the server is overloaded or there is an error in the application."
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[chrisaldrich] It looks like it uploaded completely before it threw the error. I like the fact that it scrapes the metadata off of the file automatically. ?
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martymcguire[m] [chrisaldrich]: thanks for testing it! i expected horrible errors on the first public deployment and did not disappoint. :}
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martymcguire[m] i'll check the logs
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martymcguire[m] gRegorLove: thanks! CC0 vector art is awesome
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martymcguire[m] [chrisaldrich]: i found (at least) one bug - i had a typo checking HTTP response codes from micropub endpoints. if you try again it will likely fail in a new way.
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dgold what is screech?
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Loqi Screech is a simple app for posting audio content, such as podcasts, to your website using Micropub https://indieweb.org/Screech
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dgold very nice, martymcguire[m]
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martymcguire[m] thanks, dgold!
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[cleverdevil] yawns
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[cleverdevil] Getting ready to head out to Atlanta for WordCamp ATL, in case anyone is going to be there
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martymcguire[m] hmm. does anybody have a quick guide for setting up a known site for testing purposes? i'd like to debug this screech posting issue.
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[cleverdevil] Also made some progress last night on my website, updating the CSS to make it more readable ?
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[cleverdevil] Oh, and wrote my first long form blog post in months. Yay!
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Loqi ?
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aaronpk martymcguire[m]: i did that a little bit ago. you basically just extract the zip file into a folder and it walks you through the installation
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aaronpk known++
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Loqi known has 13 karma in this channel (17 overall)
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martymcguire[m] aaronpk: thanks! i guess i'll spin up a new box - i don't currently have mysql running on any of my hobby boxes (!)
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[cleverdevil] Been working on a workflow for composing long-form posts in reStructuredText and then publishing with micropub.
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[cleverdevil] That latest long-form post was written in rST, but not *quite* publishing properly with micropub. Had to do it by hand this time.
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martymcguire[m] oh wait! i am mistaken. i have a box of wordpress sites that may have all the pieces. known works with php7, right? ;}
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martymcguire[m] is making life harder on himself for no good reason
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dgold martymcguire[m]: it is really simple.
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dgold once you have the php setup and the correct apache/nginx config
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gRegorLove TBL was on Note to Self talking about owning your data (and Solid). http://www.wnyc.org/story/privacy-paradox-day-5-challenge/
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martymcguire[m] ok, got a known install setup. thanks, everybody!
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martymcguire[m] [chrisaldrich]: if you have access to your known logs, can you see if you have an error like:
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martymcguire[m] PHP Warning: POST Content-Length of 10833766 bytes exceeds the limit of 8388608 bytes in Unknown on line 0
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martymcguire[m] on my brand-new, all-defaults known installation, 8388608 seems to be the max filesize.
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gRegorLove There's a couple configs that could affect that. Max post size and max upload size
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gRegorLove upload_max_filesize, post_max_size, and memory_limit
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martymcguire[m] i upped post_max_size to 200M in /etc/php/7.0/apache2/php.ini
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martymcguire[m] and the post went through
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martymcguire[m] unfortunately known did not pick up the audio element
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martymcguire[m] ah, bummer.
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martymcguire[m] !tell ChrisAldrich Known's IndiePub plugin only accepts photo and video files. ? https://github.com/idno/Known/blob/master/IdnoPlugins/IndiePub/Pages/MicroPub/Endpoint.php#L134
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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martymcguire[m] oof, sorry for the dev talk in here, folks. didn't realize which room i was in.
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Loqi Just generated this week's newsletter! You still have a few minutes to make changes, and I'll re-generate it 10 minutes before it gets sent out at 3pm Pacific time. https://indieweb.org/this-week/2017-03-17.html
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aaronpk we'll see about that
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aaronpk hope i got the cron job time changed appropriately for DST
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "Day 85: Added Podcasts to the IndieWeb this-week Newsletter #100DaysOfIndieWeb" https://aaronparecki.com/2017/03/15/6/day-85-podcasts
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gRegorLove dfns and redirects updated if you want to regenerate. Or not, since it's close. :)
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aaronpk it'll regenerate it again
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[chrisaldrich] martymcguire[m] thanks, I saw your replies via github. I thought it might be an upload size issue which I'd run into before (and thus the reason I only tried a short <15minute clip.
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[chrisaldrich] I didn't expect it to be an audio specific issue. If I have time tonight, I'll try it out with my wordpress install to see if there are any issues there.
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Loqi [chrisaldrich]: martymcguire[m] left you a message 1 hour, 5 minutes ago: Known's IndiePub plugin only accepts photo and video files. ? https://github.com/idno/Known/blob/master/IdnoPlugins/IndiePub/Pages/MicroPub/Endpoint.php#L134
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martymcguire[m] [chrisaldrich]: thanks! i am making progress on a PR for known. would love to know how it works against Wordpress' micropub support!
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@cleverdevil Headed to Atlanta for #WCATL. Find me if you want to chat about @WordPress, @DreamHost, or the #IndieWeb! (twitter.com/_/status/842846574493364224)
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Loqi Generated the final version of the newsletter! This will be sent out at 3pm Pacific time. https://indieweb.org/this-week/2017-03-17.html
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tantek looks good! ship it Loqi!
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[eddie] So from what I’m reading on indieweb.org/quote it seems that most “linked-list” type posts on a site like daringfireball.net like: http://daringfireball.net/linked/2017/03/17/clickbait-wired would be considered a “reply” rather than a “quote”?
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tantek that's totally a reply since the primary content is what Gruber wrote. The quote is just to provide context (like a reply context)
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tantek He's clearly making his own points ("First, .... Second, ...") rather than just "sharing" a quote
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tantek also, curious what makes you call that a "linked-list" type post? there's only one link, not a list.
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[eddie] Ah, well the site is a “linked list site”, where most of it’s posts are links with comments
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[eddie] But i just posted the one link ? rather than the whole list.
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@indiewebcamp This week in the #indieweb https://indieweb.org/this-week/2017-03-17.html (twitter.com/_/status/842861865420042240)
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[eddie] Great, glad to know I understood that right. It’s a bit of a mental shift for me, but I often think of just tweet-type note replies, rather than commentary type replies. Working on adding a similar type post to my site so I wanted to make sure I was taking the right approach ? Thanks for verifying!
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tantek eddie, do you mean his home page is a list AKA a stream AKA a feed?
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tantek and he mostly comments on other stuff instead of writing his own posts? yes that's what I remember of Gruber as well
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tantek replies can be interesting for sure, many examples. you can have tweet type "note" replies, you can also have longer reply "articles" with their own article name/title etc.
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[eddie] Yeah, exactly. Common terminology among that crowd is to call websites that primarily comment on other links for the majority of their “feed” as “Linked Lists”, because they are primarily a “List” or “Feed” of “Links” or in our world “Replies”.
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[eddie] Interesting, Yeah, I think re-orienting my mind to the way replies work will take a little bit, but seems cool ?
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tantek it's basically a breaking of the assumption that replies must happen on the same site as the original
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[eddie] Exactly
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[eddie] ?
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[chrisaldrich] [eddie]++ for some great looking /watch posts
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