#indieweb 2017-05-28

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[eli_oat] That code is super helpful. I’m getting closer now, because I just broke everything! Always a good first step
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gRegorLove I added JSON Feed: https://gregorlove.com/feed.json
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snarfed gRegorLove++
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Loqi gregorlove has 95 karma in this channel (136 overall)
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snarfed1 ahahaha funny
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Loqi hehe
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aaronpk lol
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "Rebuilding my site from Slack" https://eddiehinkle.com/2017/05/27/14/article/
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gRegorLove What is Tilt?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Tilt" yet. Would you like to create it?
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gRegorLove Tilt was a payment collection/fundraising service that was acquired by [[AirBnb]] and will be shut down 2017-06-04 http://blog.tilt.com https://www.tilt.com
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Loqi ok
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jeremycherfas Morning IndieWeb
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Zegnat Morning jeremycherfas :)
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jeremycherfas I’m not really working on Indieweb at the moment, just opened IRC to see what else is happening. Hope you have a great day.
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Zegnat I am going to try and work on actual stuff, rather than tinkering with someone else’s plugin. We’ll see how that goes
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Zegnat !tell Jeena, if you have time, can you check why http://stream.jeremycherfas.net/2017/yes-all-being-well-i-will-connect wasn’t picked up by your site?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi [Jeremy Cherfas] Yes: All being well, I will connect.
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jeremycherfas Heh. I was going to get round to that myself.
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Zegnat Things seem fine on your end, jeremycherfas
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Zegnat I was just looking at /next-hwc and was going to add Fort Collins, that just reminded me
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jeremycherfas This bit is the crucial bit, right? class="p-rsvp" value="yes"
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Zegnat Yes, you want a RSVP property on the h-entry. According to the parser, you have that: http://php.microformats.io/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fstream.jeremycherfas.net%2F2017%2Fyes-all-being-well-i-will-connect
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Zegnat I tried (re)submitting a Webmention to Jeena again for your page and got an error back, so I expect an issue on his side
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Zegnat Good morning sebsel
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sebsel Good morning Zegnat :)
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jeremycherfas Hi sebsel
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sknebel good morning!
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sebsel Hi jeremycherfas and sknebel :)
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Zegnat sknebel, could you fill /next-hwc for Berlin?
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Zegnat I feel like the Sunday prior to the Wednesday is a pretty good deadline for getting stuff on to that page
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sknebel Zegnat: if we had a location yet I could, but I guess I could leave that TBA
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Zegnat if you are sure it is going to happen, please change it from TBD to anything else.
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sebsel when is next-hwc?
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Loqi Homebrew Website Club Meetup is on 2017-05-31 at ProvenDough https://indieweb.org/next-hwc
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Zegnat My OCD-ish tendencies are actually itching to remove every TBD from that page :p
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sknebel I'll leave it until tomorrow, should have a decision by then, but thanks for th reminder
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sebsel I'm having troubles with likes on my blog again.
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sebsel It's so easy to click 'like' on a silo
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sebsel but when I publish them to my homepage, they should be special
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sebsel So I notice that I sometimes like for the post, and sometimes like for the person.
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sebsel Which I found described here: https://indieweb.org/favorite#Differences_From_Like
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sebsel So I am now thinking of making the distinction, and still post them as u-like, but showing only the favorites at my homepage.
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jeremycherfas Don’t you think that the ease of liking in the silos actually devalues what it means to like something? We had a similar discussion about a bookmark. Does it mean you have read it, or that you plan to read it.
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sebsel Hm, that's right.
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sebsel I have the bookmark-problem too
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sebsel I like to have a 'post to homepage' distinction there as well.
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sebsel I don't know if that's enough tho
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jeremycherfas It is a tough problem.
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jeremycherfas In any case, how long would they staqy on your homepage?
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sebsel it depends on how much I post. the 20 post-cutoff is at 21th of May now.
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sebsel but that's part of why I don't want to post 3 likes in a row there now ;)
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sebsel I've already hidden my checkins from the homepage
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sebsel So I could hide all the likes, but I still want to share some of them
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jeremycherfas A separate, linkblog-type module?
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sebsel yeah, or a separate 'want to share' value, making it more prominent in the feed and on digests (not that I have any of those)
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sebsel Twitter had this once: some tweets appear bigger. But I don't see it there now.
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Zegnat I wish that was a thing on Facebook. Now my feed always shows the most uninterested stuff because someone else hit “like” on it. Most of the time those people had no intention of sharing, but Facebook likes to broadcast likes these days
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jeremycherfas Known does something like that. Some status updates are more prominent than others, but I haven’t quite figured out why. I thought it was something about ordinary ones being more prominent than replies or likes, but it isn’t that simple.
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Zegnat sebsel, how about another homepage widget? “Last liked” or something?
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jeremycherfas Zegnat: we’re back at the problem of being unable to opt out of algorithmic presentation. I just want the unfiltered timeline. I’ll decide what’s important to me.
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Zegnat jeremycherfas, yes, but our homepages are presentation
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jeremycherfas I mean, I dislike it in the silos.
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Zegnat Ah, yes, agreed
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sebsel jeremycherfas I see! And some replies are bigger too. Looks like Known copies functionality from Twitter that Twitter ditched already
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jeremycherfas Your choice on your home page is what is important to you. That’s fine. You aren’t deciding for someone lese.
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sebsel In fact, I am deciding. If you follow my feed on my homepage, you see what I think is important
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sebsel but it's different if I filter it
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sebsel Author filtering != Silo filtering
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jeremycherfas Sebsel: Absolutely.
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sebsel See the differences between https://seblog.nl/ and https://seblog.nl/all
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Loqi Sebastiaan Andeweg
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sebsel and https://aaronparecki.com/ and https://aaronparecki.com/all
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Loqi Aaron Parecki
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sebsel lol aaronpk's /all is now three pages away from his first homepage post.
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jeremycherfas I do a similar thing not on my stream homepage, but in the RSS of my stream that I share to other places. I filter that depending on where it is going, e.g. Micro.blog or my main site.
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Zegnat Maybe Known is copying Facebook functionality too? Facebook shows shorter notes in a bigger font
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jeremycherfas There’s a real difference between the folks who are heavily into self-quantification and those who aren’t.
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sebsel yeah, that's again a whole different debate I'm having with myself
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sebsel Should I post that much?
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jeremycherfas Is the debate about whether to post, or whether to record?
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sebsel even whether to record, actually. It takes up mental space. One could also just enjoy the world without capturing.
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sebsel But then again: I did just hit like on three instagram photo's and only captured the most sharable of them on Seblog :P
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sebsel I am creating most of the data anyway.
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jeremycherfas I find that sometimes it can be very liberating to enjoy the world without capturing.
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Zegnat That’s why my camera gets very little use. I rather just watch things without a screen in the way. But I would like to capture things like when I was where and what I ate.
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Zegnat Whether I will share all that I capture about myself, still uncertain.
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@eli_oat With a little help from the indieweb IRC channel, shout out to aaronpk, I'm able to post both html and plaintext n… https://eli.li/entry.php?id=20170528110119 (twitter.com/_/status/868787208454582273)
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "Acquiescence: a basic IndieAuth server" https://barryfrost.com/2017/05/acquiescence
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skippy heh. Acquiescence is "~160 lines of Ruby", but has 15MB of gems required.
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myfreeweb I think I just broke that post with a like :D "undefined method `downcase' for nil:NilClass"
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[barryf] Ha, yes you did. I need to take a look at my parsing of your site.
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[barryf] I think it’s your h-card’s author relative URL. I’ll fix it.
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myfreeweb oh. trying to downcase the hostname?
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[barryf] Yep.
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myfreeweb hmm now your site doesn't recognize this as a like (it's an h-cite u-like-of)
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sknebel myfreeweb: shouldn't that then be a p-like-of?
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sknebel myfreeweb: after re-reading the parsing spec u-like-of seems ok as well
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myfreeweb yeah the prefix is removed from the parser output
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sknebel only the "value" attribute changes. I always found that kind of weird, but its possible I just don't understand the logic behind it
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Zegnat Logic behind which part, sknebel?
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sknebel the entire bit that is "let's pull a value out and forget which type it is"
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sknebel so the consumer gets to go "oh, it starts with https://, I guess that was a url"
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sknebel (unless its another mf2-type, in which case its preserved)
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myfreeweb the "type" prefix is just a parser hint. e.g. "u-" tells the parser to prefer href, src, things like that. e.g. if you have img[p-something] then something will be its alt, if you have img[u-something], its src
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Zegnat Ah. Yeah. mf2 does not support types at all. Every value is a string value.
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Zegnat `Find me on <span class="p-url">http://example.com/</span>` is just as valid as `Find me on <a class="u-url" href="http://example.com/">my website</a>`
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sknebel myfreeweb: I know how it works, I'm just not sure why people thought that was a good idea :P
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sknebel I guess the last fallback in the generation of "value" kind of makes a difference and the parsing interface easier
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myfreeweb why isn't it a good idea? parser hints are useful. i don't think we need actual types in mf2. the consumer doesn't need to go "oh, it starts with https://, I guess that was a url". the consumer goes "i'm looking at in-reply-to, if it's a string it must be a URL, if it's an object it's a nested cite thing"
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sknebel in some cases it requires constructing additional objects, in other cases (e.g. author) it isn't so clear-cut if you expect a url or a string and you have to "peek at the content"
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sknebel I hadn't noticed the fallback for finding value if the nested object is missing a property before, that might be useful in some cases - otherwise value seems kind of unnecessary
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myfreeweb ah author is an interesting one. i don't think i even support string authors :D
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[barryf] @myfreeweb I search for an <a> tag with .u-like-of. You've got rel="like-of" which I'm sure is fine as well.
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[barryf] I'll revisit that code.
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[barryf] Hmm. http://indieweb.org/like is a bit stricter and requires a.u-like-of
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sknebel :/
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myfreeweb search for a tag? like you're not using the mf2 parser at all?
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sknebel that probably should be changed then, I'd the same for as https://indieweb.org/reply-context#Markup to work as well - and mf2 parsing *and handling nested objects* would work in both cases
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myfreeweb yeah the page should be changed. Known, webmention.io and some others recognize my likes just fine
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[barryf] @myfreeweb I use the Ruby MF2 parser but (from what I remember) it didn't provide those classes. I then do a separate search through the HTML.
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aaronpk There is a new version of the ruby parser now! It fixed a bunch of stuff
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myfreeweb ah looks like you took the 'MUST hyperlink […] with class="u-like-of"' thing literally. the parser doesn't provide the "u-", the parser provides the "like-of" property which might contain URLs or nested h-cite objects
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sknebel myfreeweb [barryf] I edited http://indieweb.org/like, please review
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sknebel (technically the property is "like-of", but we include the expected type basically always (because types matter :P))
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myfreeweb better. i'll add a code example for the h-cite
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sknebel I linked the one in reply-context, that not clear enough? (label the link better?)
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sknebel but I guess it's short enough to just include
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myfreeweb visible code on the same page > link
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sknebel true
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[barryf] Thanks @myfreeweb aaronpk. I'll check out the new parser and see if it means I can delete that code.
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sknebel (myfreeweb, small piece of feedback: if I hadn't followed a link from barrys site it wouldn't have been immediatly clear to me that all the content of your post is a quote (since it has no non-context content), but I don't have a good suggestion on how to easily improve that
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sknebel chris aldrichs site always trips me up with that as well ;))
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aaronpk I always show the author's picture and name to help with that
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myfreeweb yeah i show the picture and name too. i haven't yet implemented content shortening for long posts, that's the problem
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myfreeweb i guess i might also change the small string "liked" to "liked a post by"
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[cleverdevil] Good morning IndieWeb ?
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sknebel good morning [cleverdevil]!
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[terminalpixel] Hey! Random question tangentially related to IWS: I need to get a small thing shipped to Portland and it would be due to be delivered around IWS time. Does anyone know of somewhere/someone I could get it shipped to and pick it up when I get there?
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aaronpk i have a PO box downtown you should ship it to
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aaronpk not super far from Mozilla PDX
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[terminalpixel] That would be ideal. I'll owe you a beer or something!
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aaronpk you can find my address in the whois of my domain :)
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Zegnat a proper use-case for WHOIS lookups? Say it aint so, aaronpk!
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[eddie] Anyone run into Bridgy issues with Facebook checkins? I created a manual checkin with a link in the post content back to my website checkin. Same thing I do for regular Facebook POSSE posts, but unlike all the other posts Bridgy doesn't seem to be finding the activities much less sending the webmentions
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snarfed [eddie]: is the FB checkin public?
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snarfed other ideas: http://brid.gy/about#missing
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[eddie] Yep, it is public.
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[eddie] Cool, I'll read through that. :) thanks for the link
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[eddie] Ahh it's got the "add X new photos", that's probably it
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[eddie] Memo to self, only add 1 photo to manual FB checkins :)
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