#indieweb 2017-05-29

2017-05-29 UTC
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@ScalaWilliam At some point, I'll use #Micropub instead of Twitter. https://indieweb.org/Micropub/Clients Twitter didn't send me my data archive for 2 months now. (twitter.com/_/status/868985629815615488)
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dougbeal|mb1 Good evening indieweb
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GWG Good evening
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[eli_oat] good evening!
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GWG Working on updating my post type templates
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GWG How does this look? https://tiny.n9n.us/2017/05/28/fake-rsvp/
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Loqi [David Shanske] Fake RSVP
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dougbeal Looks reasonable
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GWG I was using one generic template for everything. Switching to specific templates I can iterate on.
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sknebel good morning Indieweb!
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jeremycherfas Morning, IndieWeb
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sknebel The ical file linked on /events are broken https://indieweb.org/events#Add_events_to_your_calendar - does anybody use them and can tell if that's a recent thing that might be fixable?
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jeremycherfas I don’t use them; sorry.
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Zegnat sknebel: is it h2vx that is broken, or the microformats on /events?
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sknebel Zegnat I'm not sure. at least the entry for IWS seems to have proper mf2 and mf1 (does h2vx even speak mf2?) and it still is missing all time info in the ics
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Zegnat It doesn’t speak mf2 as I recall. I believe it is a set of XSLT files to reformat XHTML into iCal.
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Zegnat I still want to get working on that, but it is a project I want to put some real time aside for and not a few sporadic hours of tinkering. And that time hasn’t come up yet :(
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sknebel that = ?
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sknebel mf2-2-ical?
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Zegnat that = h2vx.com. It is entirely on GitHub and back last year in Düsseldorf tantek already told me to pick it up if I wanted
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@IndieWebCampDE Der nächste Homebrew Website Club in Nürnberg findet übermorgen statt. Kommt vorbei! https://indieweb.org/events/2017-05-31-homebrew-website-club#N.C3.BCrnberg (twitter.com/_/status/869116624284127232)
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@jkphl First post-#nueww Homebrew Website Club Nuremberg on Wednesday, May 31st. Swing by! https://indieweb.org/events/2017-05-31-homebrew-website-club#N.C3.BCrnberg #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/869116850885492736)
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cweiske jeremycherfas, why does your feed not contain all of the text content?
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@rretsiem Yes! #Webmentions are working on my site! #indieweb Now to proper display and formatting. Proof: ... http://renem.micro.blog/2017/05/29/yes-webmentions-are.html (twitter.com/_/status/869120054285258752)
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jeremycherfas Cweiske: I don’t know. We (well, Zegnat, actually) solved the previous problem you raised. I’ll see if I can fix this one on my own.
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cweiske oh, that's nice to hear
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jeremycherfas Ah. Because there is a length limit. But no information about how to disable the length limit entirely. Let me have a play.
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Zegnat jeremycherfas, it seems to pull it from `collection.params.length`, whatever that is. If you want to just have your entire posts in the feed you can simply remove the truncate_html filter in the feed’s twig template.
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Zegnat was looking at the feed plugin yesterday
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jeremycherfas Collection.params.length is set by length in the feed yaml, but changing it doesn’t seem to affect things. Yet. Might be another case of localhost overriding user
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Zegnat Or maybe it is already displaying the entirety of `item.summary`. That’s where it gets the content from (pre-truncation).
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jeremycherfas Yup, that’s it. Localhost overrides user.
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jeremycherfas Want to check what happens if there is no length parameter
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Zegnat ?
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Zegnat ( also, I am not a fan of the feed plugin https://chat.indieweb.org/dev/2017-05-28#t1495997308835000 )
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Loqi [Zegnat] JSON Feed: so great because the programming languages all have serialisation and deserialisation features! So lets create a Twig template to build our JSON Feed: https://github.com/getgrav/grav-plugin-feed/blob/develop/templates/feed.json.twig
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jeremycherfas Yeah, well. Not sure I fully understand your comment, but frankly I have no great interest in implementing JSON feed just yet.
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cweiske ha ha ha ha ha
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cweiske same shit as with rss and atom
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jeremycherfas Seems with no length parameter it reverts to a limit of 500 characters that is probably somewhere in the plugins yaml.
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cweiske people could of course use json_encode to create json feeds (as they could have used simplexml/domdocument/xmlwriter for atom), but they do not
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cweiske so we have the same problem again: broken feeds
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jeremycherfas Fixed feed. Thanks cweiske
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jeremycherfas Cweiske++
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Loqi cweiske has 82 karma in this channel (97 overall)
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jeremycherfas Zegnat: Are you going to rewrite the feed plugin next?
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cweiske thanks. I wonder why full-text feed is not default
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Zegnat jeremycherfas, I wasn’t planning to. That would easily take a few hours to test well and I cannot really justify the time investment
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jeremycherfas I was sort of teasing
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Zegnat Surprised you haven’t hacked Podcast support into the plugin yet, jeremycherfas
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jeremycherfas One of the reasons I host my podcasts with a WP site is that podcast feeds are pretty darned complex.
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cweiske https://github.com/getgrav/grav-plugin-feed/issues/24
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Loqi [cweiske] #24 Use json_encode for JSON feed
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Zegnat jeremycherfas: “One of the reasons I host my podcasts with a WP site is that podcast feeds are pretty darned complex.” - challenge accepted! ;)
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Zegnat Actually, I agree. It is the one case where I hope JSON Feed will catch on: podcasts.
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jeremycherfas The author of Twigfeeds for Grav has just made changes to allow the use of arbitrary tags.
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Zegnat You mean https://github.com/OleVik/grav-plugin-twigfeeds? Interesting use-case that one, you would have feeds on your site that aren’t generated by the same site?
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Loqi [OleVik] grav-plugin-twigfeeds: Parse RSS and Atom feeds with Twig.
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jeremycherfas That plugin is how I present my Known stream in the sidebar of my main site
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Zegnat Clever
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jeremycherfas Thanks
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skippy do you like Grav?
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voxpelli Zegnat: has JSON Feeds got support for podcasts? I thought it was articles only?
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jeremycherfas I do. But I also know that I am probably not using even 10% of its potential. I think it is intended much more for front-end designers and developers. For blogging, it is overkill, I think.
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skippy interesting. thanks jeremycherfas.
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jeremycherfas Also, as many here can testify, it isn’t exactly fully ready for indieweb. :)
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skippy what is?
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skippy :troll:
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Zegnat voxpelli: JSON Feed documents Podcasts as an example of `attachments` specifically in their spec.
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Zegnat Both Manton and Brent have Podcasts, and those are listed as example JSON Feed implementations.
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voxpelli Zegnat: had missed the attachment section, funny that they support all such properties for attachments, but doesn't support any properties on any links or any kind of arbitrary links with custom relations
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Zegnat Probably because they didn’t see a strict need for that in a content-feed-mind-set. It is invented as an “easier” to implement content feed, they might not see it as a real data serialisation format outside of that.
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Zegnat Arment also reviewed JSON Feed, so we might see support in Overcast in the pipeline. Which could also be the source for the Podcast support
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voxpelli Yeah, it's clearly a product of the american podcast community, from the looks of it the german podcast community has not been involved ;) It wa sin the german one we at Flattr used payment relations etc in the feeds
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voxpelli The german podcast community has also used other types of link relations and such in their podcast feeds: https://podlove.org/deep-link/
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Zegnat Interesting voxpelli!
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Zegnat We can probably argue, a lot, about the way they came to “version 1” of the JSON Feed spec. And about who they picked as reviewers. So lets not get into that ;)
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voxpelli As long as I get standard link relations, I'm happy ;) I think link relations are such an awesome thing
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voxpelli there's btw an mf2 issue in the JSON Feed repo as well: https://github.com/brentsimmons/JSONFeed/issues/51
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Loqi [cleverdevil] #51 Representing alternate post types
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voxpelli And the link relation one would be great: https://github.com/brentsimmons/JSONFeed/issues/44
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Loqi [voxpelli] #44 Support link relations
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Zegnat voxpelli, I know about the mf2 issue. I have a stub of a documentation about the _indieweb propertie on /jsonfeed
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voxpelli Zegnat: the name sounds odd to me though, I hope the data either is jf2 or the full mf2 JSON representation (as used by eg. Micropub) – then the property should reflect the format rather than what community it is that makes use of the format?
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voxpelli Speaking of podcasts – there's no one posting podcasts in h-feed format?
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voxpelli What is podcast?
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Loqi A podcast is an episodic series of audio and/or video posts that can be subscribed to and downloaded for offline listening/viewing https://indieweb.org/podcast
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voxpelli How to: "Publish a RSS/Atom with podcast audio inside media enclosures"
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@voxpelli @timpritlove @podlove_org +1, RSS/Atom works well and to express new social stuff I like the @indiewebcamp approach… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/869197028257144832 (twitter.com/_/status/869197028257144832)
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[kevinmarks] Unmung will make h-feed podcasts
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[kevinmarks] I think huffduffer.com has them natively
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voxpelli [kevinmarks]: weird that the podcast page has no mentioning of any microformat in the "How To" section
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voxpelli [kevinmarks]: does Unmung use the u-audio mentioned at http://indieweb.org/audio ?
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Zegnat Huffduffer does use u-audio, yeah
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Zegnat There is also a podcast client: https://screech.schmarty.net/
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schmarty you rang?
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schmarty haha, oops, no one actually rang.
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Loqi awesome
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schmarty catches up on podcast discussion
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voxpelli I see there's a section on u-audio in the very end of the podcast page: https://indieweb.org/podcast#How_to_podcast_with_h-feed
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Zegnat This Week in IndieWeb page with u-audio: https://martymcgui.re/tag/this-week-indieweb-podcast/
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Zegnat Oh, that is already linked on /podcast
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Zegnat Should have read there first, sorry
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Zegnat jeremycherfas: do you have any podcast websites with microformats sprinkled on top?
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jeremycherfas Maybve! I’ve started indiewebifying eatthispodcast.com but have not yet tried to see what is happening on episodes. Other posts, not episodes, have mf2, I know.
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voxpelli Feels like someone should write something up about how they are doing podcasts with microformats so the "How to" can move beyond being just a brainstorm to become an established practice
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voxpelli Especially if schmarty has a podcatcher for it :)
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Zegnat jeremycherfas, eatthispodcast is clearly a WP layout: uses old mf1 ;)
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voxpelli Or what is Screech? A "Micropub" client doesn't sound like a podcatcher, it sounds like a podcast publisher?
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[kevinmarks] Yes, unmung adds u-audio
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Zegnat What is screech?
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Loqi Screech is a simple app for posting audio content, such as podcasts, to your website using Micropub https://indieweb.org/Screech
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Zegnat posting ^^^
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Zegnat [kevinmarks], good to know!
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jeremycherfas It uses Independent Publisher, which I thought was mf2.
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jeremycherfas is looking
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Zegnat I see “hentry” on posts, not “h-entry”
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[kevinmarks] Eg http://www.unmung.com/feed?feed=http%3A%2F%2Ffeeds.soundcloud.com%2Fusers%2Fsoundcloud%3Ausers%3A229938652%2Fsounds.rss
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jeremycherfas I see h-entry on the home page http://php.microformats.io/?url=http://eatthispodcast.com
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jeremycherfas And on posts
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jeremycherfas http://php.microformats.io/?url=http://www.eatthispodcast.com/eat-this-newsletter-056/
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[kevinmarks] Hm, huffduffer.com needs a p-name on the h-feed
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GWG Is it using the Independent Publisher on Wordpress.com? Which is mf-less?
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jeremycherfas No. I host my own. And I definitely see h-entry using microformats.io
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GWG Okay.
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GWG It is showing hentry, not h-entry
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GWG The parser is parsing classic.
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jeremycherfas Where are you seeing that GWG?
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GWG In the HTML source?
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jeremycherfas I’m looking at php.microformats.io — does that change things?
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Zegnat voxpelli, re: _indieweb in JSON Feed: it comes pretty close to jf2 in that it does some abstraction (e.g. type matches /post_type and not mf2). I haven’t done a actual comparison between the two yet though
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GWG jeremycherfas: It parses classic microformats as well as microformats 2
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jeremycherfas And translates the names of the types into mf2? That seems misleading.
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voxpelli Zegnat: I very much hope it's not trying to invent yet another mf2 JSON serialization format? jf2 + the full one used by eg. Micropub is very much enough when it comes to JSON representations of mf2 data :/
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Zegnat I am not sure cleverdevil looked at jf2, we’ll have to ask
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Zegnat jeremycherfas, it is not misleading, backwards compatible parsing is part of the mf2 spec: http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats2-parsing#note_backward_compatibility_details
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Loqi [Tantek Çelik] microformats2 parsing specification
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voxpelli Zegnat: from a parser perspective one could kind of wonder what the aim with the mf2 data is as well – how a client that supports h-feed should make use of it. If clients will find it easier to just parse the mf2 data themselves, then it's just redundant
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Zegnat That is not to say there are no issues with it, but the parser output for mf1 in mf2 is correct
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jeremycherfas It misled me. I looked at the output and believed Imy site was generating mf2. Now, I know I’m not very expert, but this is precisely the sort of things that non-experts find bewildering.
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Zegnat voxpelli, I expect it comes from the same idea as JSON Feed itself: consumers don’t want to parse HTML, so we give them all the data already serialised
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Zegnat Good point jeremycherfas! Exactly the kind of point only “not very expert” people will think about probably. Which is an issue we have had on many fronts.
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voxpelli Zegnat: which would be an argument for making it jf2, but for those interested in mf2 data and who will make use of that data – won't they already be parsing full h-feed's and thus already have a full HTML-parser?
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jeremycherfas So now I’m wondering where the best place (if any) is to fix this? Do it in the Independent Theme child, I suppose.
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voxpelli the overlap between clients that are interested in mf2 data but which refuse to use an mf2 parser seems kind of narrow :P
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miklb lol
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Zegnat voxpelli, I agree. Still I see no harm in adding the data to the items.
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GWG jeremycherfas: It is a mf2 parser, it would.
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Zegnat GWG can probably answer what the best way is to upgrade to mf2, being our local WP expert ;)
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GWG Independent Publisher supports mf2. I helped the developer myself with it
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jeremycherfas GWG Maybe so, but it caught me out.
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voxpelli Zegnat: well, if there's no problem to solve then it shouldn't be solved – classic dogfooding :)
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jeremycherfas GWG Which version? I’m using 1.7
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singpolyma You don't usually need to "upgrade" to mf2. if there are properties that mf2 has that don't have an equivalent microformat, you can mix-and-match. mf2 parsers do the right thing
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jeremycherfas Singpolyma: Are yopu saying I needn’t bother to change anything?
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GWG jeremycherfas: It should be in 1.7. Try the development version.
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Zegnat I have seen moaning about backwards compat, are we sure all parsers actually get it right singpolyma? I would still urge people to update to 2
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singpolyma jeremycherfas: I use a mix of microformats and mf2 classes on my sites, have never had an issue. can verify if it's working with the various mf2 test parser sites
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GWG https://github.com/raamdev/independent-publisher/
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singpolyma Zegnat: I cannot be sure "all" parsers get it right, only the ones I've encountered :)
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voxpelli [kevinmarks]: looks like the mf2 to jf2 conversion in Unmung is broken? http://www.unmung.com/mf2tojs2?url=https%3A%2F%2Fvoxpelli.com%2F&pretty=on
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[kevinmarks] Oh, you need to feed it the mf2 json. I should make that better
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voxpelli [kevinmarks]: ah, it required a url on front page
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jeremycherfas GWG: OK, I’ll try that. Thanks.
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[kevinmarks] You can feed it it's own output
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[kevinmarks] http://www.unmung.com/mf2tojs2?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.unmung.com%2Fmf2%3Furl%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fvoxpelli.com%26html%3D%26pretty%3Don&pretty=on
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voxpelli ah, I see :+1
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GWG I'm still working on post 'kind' templates on my test site. How does this look for a bookmark? https://tiny.n9n.us/2016/03/09/nys-airports-most-delayed-in-the-nation/
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Loqi [David Shanske] NY’s Airports Most Delayed In The Nation
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[kevinmarks] I should make it do it directly
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Loqi +1
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jeremycherfas GWG: Looks OK. If I were being picky, I would say that the two lines of text should left align.
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jeremycherfas GWG: Well, that’s fun. Now (locall testing) I have both h-entry and hentry on each post.
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jeremycherfas No idea why the hentry version is still hanging around.
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jeremycherfas Does it do any harm to have both?
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GWG jeremycherfas: I'm only working on the area around the bookmark icon
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GWG jeremycherfas: Both is fine.
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GWG The rest is just a blank theme.
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jeremycherfas And — to add to the fun — hentry is used for styling, although the actual styling is commented out. Not by me, in the original from raamdev
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GWG jeremycherfas: raamdev comes in here every so often
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jeremycherfas GWG: I’m talking about the two lines of text. One that begins “Study” and one that begins “A new study”
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ben_thatmustbeme Who is actually using JF2?
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ben_thatmustbeme I know aaronpk uses something like it
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GWG jeremycherfas: That is the summary of the article.
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GWG ben_thatmustbeme: I implemented a flattening function that outputs something similar.
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jeremycherfas GWG: I understand that. And I am saying that, if I were being picky, the two lines of text would left align with one another.
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ben_thatmustbeme I'd be interested to talk with you at some point GWG on differences between it and jf2... And jsonfeed
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GWG Will consider it. I am looking at improving my display of duration next.
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GWG ben_thatmustbeme: It is basically, collapse properties, add type in, and merge rel syndication with syndication.
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GWG Any single item array becomes a single item.
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GWG I modeled it on jf2 and aaronpk's interpretation.
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ben_thatmustbeme So when processing it, you have to check if it's an array, hash, or string?
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GWG Just array or string.
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ben_thatmustbeme It's it aware of vocabulary? So, for example, does it assume author is always an object
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GWG No, author can be a string
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GWG It is aware of name and url as properties
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GWG So it will collapse if it is just one of them
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@cswordpress Woot! Go you! #indieweb https://twitter.com/rretsiem/status/869120054285258752 (twitter.com/_/status/869215343805444097)
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GWG Bear in mind, the code is still pending pfefferle approval for merge
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ben_thatmustbeme But what is author is one hash/object?
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ben_thatmustbeme Author :[{....}]
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GWG Usually
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GWG I also implemented something similar elsewhere. I really should merge the two.
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ben_thatmustbeme So author could be a single string, an array of strings, a single object/hash, or an array of them
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GWG Yes.
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GWG The function is recursive. It calls itself to collapse nested properties
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ben_thatmustbeme That was what I originally did, but the thing is, that's really annoying to work with
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ben_thatmustbeme At least in PHP, where hash vs array are difficult to determine
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ben_thatmustbeme Well, a function can be written, but it's not a native part of the language
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ben_thatmustbeme And is a bit annoying to have to constantly check if a thing is an object or a string, etc.... That's one of the advantages of jsonfeed, it defines the vocabulary, so it can say, only ever get a single value for X
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ben_thatmustbeme But conversly, that's the annoying bit that forces you to lose Fidelity
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ben_thatmustbeme Which is why I just keep going back and forth on things, doesn't seem to be a great solution
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ben_thatmustbeme Honestly it almost makes me think what feed consumers want is a profile of jf2.
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GWG ben_thatmustbeme: I never show my array externally. I just use it make storage and such clearer
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ben_thatmustbeme Yeah, that's the other interesting bit, jf2 is being used mainly internally only
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GWG ben_thatmustbeme: I have a proposal on my list to implement a WordPress post object to jf2 converter.
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Zegnat jf2 being used internally is kind of the point to JSON Feed, I think: developers keep coming back to wanting to access data from a JSON serialisation ;)
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GWG snarfed has a similar function in his micropub plugin.
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ben_thatmustbeme I'm going to start playing with having two objects in jf2, a feed object or an item object. And make the feed object more like jsonfeed
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ben_thatmustbeme Basically only set minimum requirements, so consumers know certain fields will be there and in a certain format, but other things may be there
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ben_thatmustbeme None of the _prefix crap needed as it's using whatever mf2 parsers find
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ben_thatmustbeme Which would mean the mf2 to jf2 conversion can be able service. Just look at how I do as2 on my site now, like that
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GWG I look forward to seeing the code. Would you consider a php library?
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ben_thatmustbeme Definitely, that's what I have now for mf2 to jf2
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ben_thatmustbeme What is socialstreams?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "socialstreams" yet. Would you like to create it?
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ben_thatmustbeme What is socialstream?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "socialstream" yet. Would you like to create it?
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ben_thatmustbeme Huh, thought i added on
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ben_thatmustbeme https://github.com/dissolve/socialstream
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Loqi [dissolve] socialstream: given some mf2, output a simplified json format
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ben_thatmustbeme stream.thatmustbe.us
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ben_thatmustbeme Wow, there is so little in jsonfeed that is actually required
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snarfed still more than required in mf2 :P
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ben_thatmustbeme So I think actually making a profile of jf2 that mirrors jsonfeed is actually pretty simple
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ben_thatmustbeme It's literally just adding requirements on certain fields being present and requirements that certain fields be songs and not arrays
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snarfed totally, i've always thought certain fields should be songs too
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GWG Hello, snarfed. What's new?
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snarfed not much! working on a project that will launch at IWS
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GWG snarfed: Looking forward to a personal handshake
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snarfed lol yes!
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@davidmead #indieweb question…Anything out there to extract liked tweets and import to WordPress/blog? An ‘OwnYourGram’ style… http://djm.click/blog/b/4di (twitter.com/_/status/869245788551077889)
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miklb I wonder if there would be a way to parse your Twitter history that you can download to do something like that.
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[colinwalker] Evening all
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KartikPrabhu miklb: there certainly should be. The Twitter archive is in some XML form which could be converted to HTML+mf2
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KartikPrabhu I planned on doing this for my archive but never got to it
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GWG I'm looking for a good way to display duration
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KartikPrabhu GWG: what's the use-case?
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GWG Right now, duration of media files.
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KartikPrabhu you could start with "13min 45sec long"
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GWG I don't have a function for that.
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GWG I guess I should write one.
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KartikPrabhu or "13:45 long"
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miklb KartikPrabhu just downloaded mine, not seeing favorites in the data :-(
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KartikPrabhu but that could be mistaken for 13hours 45 min
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GWG Hi, miklb
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GWG KartikPrabhu: I also need to internationalize.
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KartikPrabhu miklb: oh! I never scrutinsed it very closely
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KartikPrabhu I thought the twitter archive gave you everything, but maybe it only gives your own posts
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KartikPrabhu s/posts/tweets
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miklb KartikPrabhu it might be buried somewhere, but when you load their index.html to view, only tweets/retweets showing
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miklb GWG howdy!
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GWG miklb: Working on stock templates for Post Kinds.
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GWG Trying to improve duration.
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miklb I see
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KartikPrabhu miklb: a google search reveals that the archive only has tweets/retweets no favs
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KartikPrabhu miklb: you might have to muck around with the every-changing Twitter API or try /granary
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miklb yeah, the API tends to only go back 3000 tweets generally
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KartikPrabhu miklb: that is annoying!
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KartikPrabhu what is Twitter?
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Loqi Twitter (also known as Twitter.com) is a popular content hosting silo most well known for 140 character text notes https://indieweb.org/Twitter
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KartikPrabhu miklb: documented on https://indieweb.org/Twitter#Challenges
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miklb nods
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miklb also, the data seems to be either a csv file, or you can get some kind of xml/json in js files :-/
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KartikPrabhu miklb: yeah the JSON thing should be translatable, but needs work
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KartikPrabhu which is why I never got around to it; figured it might take longer than an hour of coding
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miklb heh
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GWG miklb: Got a moment re templating?
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miklb sure
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GWG What should a listen, watch, or jam template look like? You've seen all of them.
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miklb hmm.
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miklb I still am from the camp that the plugin should provide as generic a design aesthetic as possible. Just present the relevant info in a clean fashion, leaving styling to theme/user.
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KartikPrabhu miklb: that is a good guideline
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miklb The svg icons are good to include though
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GWG I found displaying duration in ISO8601 format was confusing
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miklb a human readable duration function would be good
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GWG miklb: This is the test of the human readable duration. https://tiny.n9n.us/2015/02/21/the-boxer/
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Loqi [David Shanske] The Boxer (Bridge Over Troubled Water)(Duration: 15 minutes 30 seconds)
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miklb says without knowing how much work it is to create such a function
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GWG I need to customize it a bit more for media.
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GWG What are good examples of silos that present music?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "good examples of silos that present music" yet. Would you like to create it?
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KartikPrabhu GWG: that example looks pretty good
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miklb agreed
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miklb what is last.fm
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Loqi Last.fm is a silo for tracking music listening (scrobbling) and providing music recommendations https://indieweb.org/last.fm
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GWG This design doesn't make it clear what is the song and the album
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KartikPrabhu GWG: maybe use "<song name> from <album name> by <band name>" etc...
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KartikPrabhu i have always found prepositions to be my friends ;)
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KartikPrabhu what is text-first-design?
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Loqi Text-first design refers to the practice of designing information so that it is usable/actionable in its most basic plaintext form https://indieweb.org/text_first_design
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miklb GWG great. Now you have me thinking about incorporating something like this https://developer.musicgraph.com/api-docs/v2/artists
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miklb :-)
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GWG I'm just trying to come up with a display specific to music or audio programs instead of the general ones I've been using...displaying a like identically to a bookmark and such designwise.
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GWG miklb: This is the updated RSVP. https://tiny.n9n.us/2017/05/28/fake-rsvp/
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Loqi [David Shanske] Fake RSVP
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miklb ?
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GWG Text design is some of the hardest parts of this.
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KartikPrabhu GWG: yes, which is why it is better to do text-first and get then enhance from there
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GWG I am doing text first
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gRegorLove GWG: Maybe personal preference, but I'd recommend the "Posted on... by..." meta be below the content.
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GWG gRegorLove: I'm only working on the presentation of the post type. The rest comes from the theme.
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GWG It's barebones.
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KartikPrabhu GWG: for testing text-first I have found this bookmarklet useful http://khan.github.io/tota11y/#Installation
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KartikPrabhu it has a screen-reader "wand" that shows you a text representation of the HTML
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gRegorLove For duration, I used a shortened version like "1h 7m 59s"
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GWG I will settle for better than before
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jjuran I would be tempted to write that "1:07:59s".
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GWG One thing at a time
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@manton2 IndieWeb Summit: http://www.manton.org/2017/05/indieweb-summit.html (twitter.com/_/status/869279926796550145)
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@CocoaDevBlogs Manton Reece : IndieWeb Summit http://www.manton.org/2017/05/indieweb-summit.html (twitter.com/_/status/869281064644202496)
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@ryangallagher IndieWeb 2017 http://ryangallagher.org/indieweb-2017/ (twitter.com/_/status/869289162222051328)
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Loqi [superfeedr] "IndieWeb Summit | Manton Reece" by Jonathan LaCour on 2017-05-29 http://www.manton.org/2017/05/indieweb-summit.html
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dougbeal|mb1 KartikPrabhu: thats an awesome tool... imagine a mf2 magic wand ;)
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eli_oat howdy all
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snarfed i'm collecting all the mf2 classes used on links to other sites (not silos). so far i have: u-in-reply-to u-like-of u-favorite-of u-repost-of u-bookmark-of u-invitee u-quotation-of
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snarfed i think those pretty much cover it. did i miss anything?
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snarfed (rsvps are u-in-reply-to)
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skippy what does the u- prefix mean?
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aaronpk It tells the parser the value should come from the href or src attribute rather than the text value
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skippy thanks aaronpk.
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skippy i dont recall seeing that explained anywhere. was curious.
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dougbeal What is u- prefix
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "u- prefix" yet. Would you like to create it?
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snarfed http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats2#microformats2_design
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Loqi microformats2
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GWG snarfed, why are you collecting them?
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snarfed eh i'm a collector
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snarfed kidding. :P upcoming project!
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[kevinmarks] Thread https://toot.cafe/@baldur/634340
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Loqi [Baldur Bjarnason] @nolan I disagree with so much of what you've just said ? While I don't doubt that those two perspectives are the argument you're seeing take place in the JS community (which is still only a subset of web dev as a whole) they are both pretty prob...
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aaronpk tl;dr
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aaronpk anything new?
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aaronpk or anything specific to indieweb?
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snarfed yes! to both
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snarfed will launch at IWS!
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GWG snarfed: Suspense isn't good for us.
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snarfed you'll survive :P
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@jy IndieWeb Summit http://www.manton.org/2017/05/indieweb-summit.html (twitter.com/_/status/869331208001474560)
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dougbeal Are there any indieauth login Mastodon instances?
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dougbeal what is Mastodon
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Loqi Mastodon is an open source implementation of a federated social network with several running instances that is compatible with GNU social https://indieweb.org/Mastodon