#indieweb 2017-06-10

2017-06-10 UTC
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[kevinmarks] I should fix that, but it is a common problem. I think I put a rel-canonical in, but if I didn't I should.
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Loqi totally
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[miklb] evening!
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GWG [miklb]: Evening
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[miklb] how goes it GWG?
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GWG Having some baked zucchini and thinking about what I should do before release a minor update to Post Kinds
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eli_oat ahoy!
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[miklb] howdy eli_oat
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tantek evening! did any of you watch the sessions from the recent IWC Düsseldorf or Nürnberg?
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@eli_oat In reply to: http://altplatform.org/2017/06/09/feed-reader-revolution/ This article gives a solid overview of the indieweb ecosystem as I understa… https://eli.li/entry.php?id=20170610004246 (twitter.com/_/status/873340082417217536)
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eli_oat I was just about to watch some of them
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[miklb] did not
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tantek compare https://indieweb.org/2017/D%C3%BCsseldorf/Schedule video links and https://indieweb.org/2017/Nuremberg/Schedule and if one or the other looks better to you, say so! (experimenting a bit with making them more accessible / obvious / convenient)
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tantek input very much encouraged
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tantek or additional ideas
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eli_oat I think you made the right call including timestamps next to ▶️
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eli_oat for some reason I get that the camera is a video, but ▶️ is weirdly ambiguous
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eli_oat also, has any one checked that these emoji actually translate across platforms — I know there are a few that don't necessarily match one-to-one on some platforms, like samsung
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eli_oat looks good: https://eli.li/entry.php?id=20170610004246
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Loqi [eli] This article gives a solid overview of the indieweb ecosystem as I understand it. I like the idea of feed readers being the gravitational center to everyones social network. I've been using tt-rss and my newly indiewebified website for just that. Exc...
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eli_oat oops, wrong URL, sorry
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eli_oat http://emojipedia.org/black-right-pointing-triangle/
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eli_oat that one
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eli_oat also good: http://emojipedia.org/movie-camera/
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tantek eli_oat: interesting. the "timestamps" next to the play icon are actually *duration* of the videos
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tantek or was that what you mean? ok if it seemed unclear, I'd rather know that!
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eli_oat yeah, sorry, sloppy word choice on my part
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eli_oat I got that they were the duration of the video
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tantek ok cool, just making sure :)
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eli_oat good catch ??
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tantek ?++
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tantek what no emoji karma Loqi?
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eli_oat hahaha
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Loqi awesome
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eli_oat are folks able to participate in indiewebcamp from afar?
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eli_oat even just as lurkers?
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tantek typically yes! via IRC, etherpad, and livestreams.
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eli_oat most of these videos are form a live stream?
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tantek sometimes via two-way
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eli_oat oh, nice nice
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tantek some have "Remote Participation" sections to add yourself if you like
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tantek eli_oat: like for the upcoming IndieWeb Summit: https://indieweb.org/2017#Remote_Participation
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eli_oat brilliant! Thanks — I've added this to my calendar. gonna try my darnedest to at least keep an eye ball on IRC while things go down.
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eli_oat to your original question about which looks better, I think I dig the one with cameras more than the one with play icons because the UI is a bit less cluttered, there isn't as much going one, but that might also be the nature of the two different events
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tantek eli_oat: and if you have a moment, add yourself to https://indieweb.org/2017/Guest_List#Remote_Participants so we (at the summit in person) know to check / look for you!
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[miklb] https://twitter.com/tung_fm/status/873268088808124416
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@tung_fm BREAKING: Tung is now open-source ? https://github.com/inorganik/Tung-iOS (twitter.com/_/status/873268088808124416)
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tantek (I just added a link / call to action to that from the previous Remote Participation link so it's more discoverable)
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tantek what is Tung?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Tung" yet. Would you like to create it?
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[miklb] Tung is Tung.fm for iOS - a social podcast player that is now open source
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Loqi ok
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[miklb] Tung << https://github.com/inorganik/Tung-iOS
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Loqi [inorganik] Tung-iOS: Tung.fm for iOS - a social podcast player
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Loqi ok, I added "https://github.com/inorganik/Tung-iOS" to the "See Also" section of /Tung
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eli_oat adding myself now@
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[miklb] think I’m going to hook up last.fm scrobbles to post listening posts
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eli_oat what are scrobbles?
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Loqi https://indieweb.org/scrobbles
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tantek apparently in need of a better dfn
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[miklb] lol
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tantek what is a scrobble
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Loqi A scrobble (AKA a listen) is a passive type of post used to publish a song (music or audio track, including concert recordings or DJ sets) or podcast that you have listened to https://indieweb.org/scrobble
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tantek what are scrobbles
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Loqi A scrobble (AKA a listen) is a passive type of post used to publish a song (music or audio track, including concert recordings or DJ sets) or podcast that you have listened to https://indieweb.org/scrobbles
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tantek ok good enough
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eli_oat for the win!
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Feed reader revolution: it’s time to embrace open & disrupt social media" by Jonathan LaCour on 2017-06-09 http://altplatform.org/2017/06/09/feed-reader-revolution/
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Loqi [superfeedr] "1 yr ago today: #DWebSummit @InternetArchive What next? Join us at #IndieWeb Summit @MozPDX in 2 weeks! RSVP: https://2017.indieweb.org/ Watch recent @IndieWebCamp sessions (video links in schedule grids) * https://indieweb.org/2017/D%C3%BCsseldorf/Schedule * https://indieweb.org/2017/Nuremberg/Schedule Last year: * IndieWeb Summit 2016: https://indieweb.org/2016 * Decentralized Web Summit 2016: * https://www.decentralizedweb.net/ * https://indieweb.org/dwebsummit * http://tantek.com/2016/161/ (notes all day) * http://tantek.com/2016/160/t2/dwebsummit (and subsequent → posts) https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CkuFGItUYAACxBz.jpg https://twitter.com/internetarchive/status/741832908323708929" on 2017-06-10 http://tantek.com/2017/160/t2/dwebsummit-indieweb-summit
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@t 1 yr ago today: #DWebSummit @InternetArchive What next? Join us at #IndieWeb Summit @MozPDX in 2 weeks! RSVP: http://tantek.com/2017/160/t2 (twitter.com/_/status/873366405491679232)
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tantek Thanks Loqi! :D
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Loqi you're welcome, tantek
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tantek watching IWC Nürnberg 2017 intros, and being blown away by people's amazing sites and efforts. and this is just the *intros*
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tantek wow the retroactive FOMO is so real
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tantek gosh sebastian's site is so clean and pretty
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tantek (icons in the timeline on his feed and such)
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tantek these are very thoughtful intros.
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Feed reader revolution" by Chris Aldrich on 2017-06-09 http://boffosocko.com/2017/06/09/how-feed-readers-can-grow-market-share-and-take-over-social-media/
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Anchakor Hi, is there some comprehensive page which tracks what FB API allows? I'm interested in reading FB events a FB user is invited to? does silo.pub or something like that allow it? Does even the API allow it?
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[kevinmarks] What is granary?
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Loqi granary is a library and REST API that frees you from social network snowflake API and exposes the sweet social data foodstuff inside as HTML and JSON with microformats2, ActivityStreams, Atom, XML, and more https://indieweb.org/granary
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[kevinmarks] @anchakor have a look at granary
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[kevinmarks] The easiest way to get fb events is the ics url
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Anchakor thanks [kevinmarks]
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Anchakor does silo.pub use granary? solely?
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[kevinmarks] No, silo.pub is more for posting, bridgy and granary are for reading back
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Anchakor hmm best would be to have a two-way bridge
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Anchakor btw it's not clear, but does Granary require to be run on Google App Engine?
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Zegnat Anchakor, no, you could use it as a library dependancy in any Python project: https://github.com/snarfed/granary#using-the-library
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Loqi [snarfed] granary: Fetches and converts data between Facebook, Google+, Instagram, and Twitter native APIs, ActivityStreams, microformats2 HTML and JSON, Atom, and more.
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Anchakor cool, wasn't too clear from the docs. might be giving a bit of bad press as anything google is not in favor for decetralization :)
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GWG Good day all
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Zegnat PPK released female attendance numbers. Interesting! https://www.quirksmode.org/blog/archives/2017/06/women_speakers.html
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Loqi [superfeedr] "If you&#8217;re going to WordCamp Orange County this weekend and want to chat about using Indieweb principles on your personal website or blog, I&#8217;m happy to talk or do short demos." by Chris Aldrich on 2017-06-10 http://boffosocko.com/2017/06/10/indieweb-at-wordcamp-orange-county/
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@ChrisAldrich I'm happy to talk #Indieweb for your personal website/blog or do short demos at @OCWordCamp this weekend. #wcoc17… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/873558429754937345 (twitter.com/_/status/873558429754937345)
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Zegnat For people in and around NYC, this might be interesting: https://techsolidarity.org/events/nyc_june_15.html
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[miklb] IndieWeb Wapuu . I should ask my friend James to make an official one
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Zegnat Wapuu?
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[miklb] Wapuu is a unofficial(?) WordPress mascot, that are commonly customized for WordCamps
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[miklb] chrisaldrich made one for a WordCamp he's attending this weekend
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Zegnat Gotcha
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[kevinmarks] Hm, does this count as indieweb? https://decentralized-identity.github.io/
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Zegnat Hard to say [kevinmarks], there isn’t actually any info I can deduce from either website or repository
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Zegnat They decided on their fees, so that’s something, I guess? https://github.com/decentralized-identity/org/wiki/Decisions,-Agreements,-and-Vote-Log
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aaronpk Not even willing to get their own domain name? I wouldn't put too much stock in it. Also [kevinmarks] is there any indication that the creators of it are using it as their own online identity?
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aaronpk Sometimes it amazes me how much process and bureaucracy people will establish before having anything actually working
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Feed reader revolution" by ChrisAldrich on 2017-06-09 https://medium.com/boffo-socko/feed-reader-revolution-d47200cbdd2d?source=rss----12b80d28f892---4
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[chrisaldrich] Miklb I wish I could say I made that wapuu but I swiped it from the web somewhere months ago.
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[chrisaldrich] !tell GWG in case I forget later: Happy Birthday!
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[miklb] chrisaldrich ah, I thought you put the IW logo on it. Either way, my pal James does a lot of the Wapuu so might be able to get him to make one.
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[chrisaldrich] I wish my image skills were so good, but it would be nice to have a more official one.
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davidmead hi all. any group think on the best way to present a “liked” tweet on yr blog? Bookmark with embed maybe?
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Zegnat davidmead, I like what sebsel is doing. He intersperses his likes in between his own posts: https://seblog.nl/ (1 liners with a heart in front)
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Loqi Sebastiaan Andeweg
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davidmead zegnat nice. thx
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davidmead I have a Google Sheet with all my Twitter likes that I’m going to try and import into WP. Wanted to find a structure to mark up the content. Sebsel’s could work nicely for that :-)
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GWG Can anyone list scenarios where an img is not u-photo?
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Loqi GWG: [chrisaldrich] left you a message 1 hour, 24 minutes ago: in case I forget later: Happy Birthday!
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davidmead GWG where it isn’t a photo, or where it wouldn’t use u-photo?
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[miklb] GWG u-featured
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davidmead img can be a screenshot, illustration, graph
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davidmead but they can all be a “photo” as in .jpeg or .png ;-)
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[miklb] GWG tantek explained to me that u-photo is when the image is the primary content. u-featured would be a complimentary image that you want associated with the image
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[miklb] s/with the image/with the post/
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[kevinmarks] Also u-logo in an h-card
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[kevinmarks] Or a h-feed header
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gRegorLove GWG: I wouldn't use u-photo on photos that appear in a blog post, because they're not the primary purpose of the post... /article vs /photo
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gRegorLove Also, there's not any consumers of u-photo in that context that I'm aware of.
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Zegnat Iconography aren’t u-photo either. Like sebsel’s heart images on likes.
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GWG I guess I need to push a second update
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@jkphl @asciidisco @dantz #indieweb FTW! ;) (and hopefully the revival of http://asciidisco.com) (twitter.com/_/status/873662234882396160)
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gRegorLove What is DWebSummit?
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Loqi https://indieweb.org/dwebsummit
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[miklb] gregorlove bridgy will accept a u-photo but now supports u-featured as well
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gRegorLove Yeah, but that's for /photo posts
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[miklb] I didn't think it differentiated.
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gRegorLove It doesn't. I guess what I mean is it comes down to author's intent. If you have an article that includes a few photos (not a featured image) and you POSSE it, you probably don't intend for those photos to appear as a gallery on the post... as an /article it's primarily text content you want people to read.
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gRegorLove So adding u-photo doesn't make much sense for /articles. Maybe there's edge cases.
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gRegorLove Related: https://indieweb.org/post-type-discovery#Algorithm #6 consumers following that algorithm would treat such an /article as a /photo
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Zegnat I might use u-photo on images I put in a travel article. The photos are just as much part of the article as the text, imho
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Zegnat falls asleep after that utterance
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Zegnat good night all
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Loqi sweet dreams
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gRegorLove That's a Working Draft, so feedback encouraged ^
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gRegorLove G'night Zegnat
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