#indieweb 2017-06-09

2017-06-09 UTC
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eli_oat saw your comment's on HN this afternoon aaronpk, that is awesome!
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aaronpk Yeah! It did surprisingly well!
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eli_oat agreed — lately I've felt that HN is getting more and more…trolly? so I'm always hesitant to wade in. Glad to see your comments so well received
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gRegorLove hehe, in response to delving into DNS MX records in that Hacker News thread, "I don't generate my own power either, the line has to be drawn somewhere."
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eli_oat gRegorLove, sorry I was slow to respond. I was busy peddling my generator
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[chrisaldrich] I wrote up some thoughts on feed readers and indieweb pieces like webmention and micropub for Richard Macmanus' altplatform.org which should likely hit tomorrow morning AM PST.
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[chrisaldrich] I ran out of space to say so in it, but wanted to say thanks to everyone here for their help over the last year.
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[chrisaldrich] aaronpk, I should have your piece finished shortly soon. I've been through too many drafts....
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gRegorLove Just came across https://distbin.com/ via that HN thread. Webmentions is on the todo list looks like.
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gRegorLove Nice, look forward to reading it [chrisaldrich]
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eli_oat it'll be interesting to see how they implement that since it doesn't look like distbin has accounts of any sort
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gRegorLove I'm getting the itch to work on a feed reader again.
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gRegorLove So far I've been successful at stopping myself.
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eli_oat feed readers, the indiewebist's windmill?
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[chrisaldrich] In my piece, I'm trying to goad some of the bigger feed readers to solve the problem(s) for us. I'm kind of hoping I've made a case good enough that Google Reader gets dusted off and comes back.
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gRegorLove I presume you mean something of Google Reader's caliber, not literally?
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gRegorLove really loved Google Reader in its time
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[chrisaldrich] something that calibre with indieweb goodness would be great certainly ?
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[chrisaldrich] I have a feeling that given the state of the art of feed readers though, Google probably could roll their old code base out and it would still work fine.
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[chrisaldrich] (Except for the sharing to FriendFeed portion.)
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mblaney tilted at the windmill and won...
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mblaney gRegorLove I was addicted to Google Reader, but wouldn't go back to it now. I think unread counts were part of the problem for me, and much happier with river-style reading now.
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Loqi Just generated the first draft of this week's newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2017-06-09.html I'll generate a draft again tomorrow, so please add to it before then! https://indieweb.org/this-week#How_to
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tantek good evening #indieweb
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@calum_ryan Join us, discuss and work on your own website at Homebrew Website Club London RSVP/just turn up! 18:00-20:00 https://indieweb.org/events/2017-06-14-homebrew-website-club (twitter.com/_/status/873115976073494529)
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GWG Morning
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Loqi good morning
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[kevinmarks] You don't need js for a light box https://codepen.io/dudleystorey/pen/izJkB
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@sebastiangreger Wed 14.6. 19:00: 9th Homebrew Website Club Berlin ...this time with a general intro session to all things #indieweb http://sebastiangreger.net/2017/06/homebrew-website-club-berlin-2017-06-14/ (twitter.com/_/status/873152346091606016)
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petermolnar [kevinmarks] you don't need js for hamburger menus, mega-menus, viewport-sizing, etc., but not many listen
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Zegnat sknebel (asking you because sgreger isn’t here): will that general intro to indieweb be recorded?
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aaronpk Nice! Please do!
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Zegnat sebsel and I have done general indieweb en microformat intros at HWC the Netherlands when new people showed up to. It is always good to do, I think
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aaronpk do you have a script or slide deck you follow?
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Zegnat No. We just wing it.
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Zegnat I don’t know *why* I don’t have a slide deck by now. I headed the mf session in Brighton too without guidance (other than tantek to fall back on).
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sknebel_2 Zegnat: didn't plan in recording it yet, planning to heavily borrow from joschis slides
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sknebel_2 (Assuming new people actually turn up :P)
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Zegnat (*gasp* it is sknebel the second!)
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Zegnat jkphl’s slides are pretty solid. Need some translation work still, I believe.
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sknebel_2 Forgot to add my new quasselcore to the phone, so logging in through the old one
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ben_thatmustbeme petermolnar: your yamlfeed looks to not be escaping new lines on summary
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petermolnar interesting, it should
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petermolnar I'm using a library, which relies on PyYAML
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petermolnar but, to be honest, "MEH"
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petermolnar :D
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Zegnat Ha, yeah, summary is borked
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Zegnat I think YAML is overly complex, I ran into files that different PHP libs were parsing in different ways :/
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Zegnat Would not surprise me if Python libs also have some idiosyncrasies going on.
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sknebel_2 PyYAML sadly has a bunch of bugs, and seems pretty unmaintained
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petermolnar I know
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petermolnar but the 'frontmatter' lib uses that
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petermolnar and I'm not willing to write a replacement yet
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ben_thatmustbeme since yaml can be any json that doesn't have duplicate entries, lets just make yamlfeed a copy of jsonfeed or something
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ben_thatmustbeme lol
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ben_thatmustbeme i'm thinking it should start at version 3.1415
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petermolnar nice
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sknebel_2 Yeah. YAML is a bit complex for writing a new parser from scratch
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Zegnat But ben_thatmustbeme, then it would by parsable by jsonfeed parsers
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Zegnat We can’t have that
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ben_thatmustbeme haha
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Loqi hehe
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Zegnat I vote we explicitly forbit JSON syntax on the root level in the yamlfeed spec
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petermolnar you do all realise that since this channel is logged, yamlfeed _will_ be adopted by a few?
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ben_thatmustbeme hmm yaml_emit seems to do the same
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ben_thatmustbeme http://ben.thatmustbe.me/yamlfeed
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petermolnar YAML is messy
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sknebel_2 You sure newlines need escaping in that case?
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sknebel_2 Does it parse properly?
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ben_thatmustbeme i don't think anyone has actually bothered to try parsing it yet
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ben_thatmustbeme what is discuss?
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Loqi Join the #indieweb discussions via the web, IRC, Matrix or Slack! https://indieweb.org/discuss
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ben_thatmustbeme oops, brain
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ben_thatmustbeme what is discourse?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "discourse" yet. Would you like to create it?
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strk no plumbed matrix room for indieweb ?
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strk it could be useful, to centralize the bridging to matrix
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strk ie: register a matrix room, enable bridges to IRC and Slack
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aaronpk i don't know what a "plumbed matrix room" is, but matrix people seem to have no trouble joining here right now
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strk it takes a freenode channel Op and a Matrix room admin to do that
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strk yeah, I know, it's no problem, but it's easier to search for the room in matrix if it is a real room
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ben_thatmustbeme doesn't seem like its worth the plumbing
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strk https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-appservice-irc/wiki/Permissioning-in-Portal-vs-Plumbed-rooms
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strk it's about power centralization, I think
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strk power to IRC -> current model
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strk power to Matrix -> plumbing
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aaronpk i don't use matrix enough to understand the differences there. but if someone wants to write up the benefits this would give, and also how this is maintained (who is the "admin" of the matrix room, how is that passed on, etc), we could bring it up during the Leaders' summit when we are talking about other chat channels
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aaronpk feel free to add a section here with the details https://indieweb.org/2017/Leaders#Discussion_Channels
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ben_thatmustbeme !tell snarfed i think you might find this list interesting https://indieweb.org/Special:ListUsers impressive count
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek good morning #indieweb!
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tantek two weeks til IWS!
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eli_oat I keep looking at my calendar, trying to figure out if there is a way I can make it. :P
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strk what is IWS ?
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Loqi https://indieweb.org/IWS
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snarfed ooh thanks ben_thatmustbeme!
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Loqi snarfed: ben_thatmustbeme left you a message 42 minutes ago: i think you might find this list interesting https://indieweb.org/Special:ListUsers impressive count
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ben_thatmustbeme close to 1500 domains on there
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Loqi [superfeedr] "WordPress Conferences and Events | Best of 2017" by Viktor Vincej on 2017-06-08 https://www.webcreate.me/best-wordpress-conferences-events/
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tantek hey ShaneHudson you here? (via Slack)
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tantek !tell gRegorlove if you have a moment, /timeline#2017 could use some additions for the IWCs in Germany. Thanks!
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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snarfed1 lol, https://p3k.org/ is an indieweb site/person unrelated to aaronpk or http://p3k.io/
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aaronpk what!
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@brianjesse Feed reader revolution: it’s time to embrace open & disrupt social media http://altplatform.org/2017/06/09/feed-reader-revolution/ #indieweb #AltPlatform (twitter.com/_/status/873235437115932672)
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[shanehudson] Hey tantek, yeah it’s working really well through slack ?
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Loqi [shanehudson]: tantek left you a message on 2017-03-30 at 1:23am UTC: can you make it to any of the dates here? add your prefs! https://indieweb.org/Planning#Summit
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tantek welcome [shanehudson] !
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tantek you may also want the #indieweb-dev channel (which is just "dev" in slack I think?)
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Zegnat [shanehudson] did you get a notification through slack? Or just happened to look here?
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gRegorLove Howdy, #indieweb
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Loqi gRegorLove: tantek left you a message 27 minutes ago: if you have a moment, /timeline#2017 could use some additions for the IWCs in Germany. Thanks!
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ben_thatmustbeme if you use the [ ] syntax, it will change it to @ format on slack, so if you have slack set to notify you, you will get notified
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ben_thatmustbeme or should
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tantek ben_thatmustbeme: what I wonder is the channel linking like #indieweb-dev works for IRC but in slack it's just #dev right?
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tantek or does the bridge translate those two?
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[eddie] Slack is #dev
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gRegorLove tantek: Should first HWC meetings to on /timeline?
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tantek gRegorLove: good idea! yes, first one in each city
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gRegorLove Will work on that. This year's IWCs have been added
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tantek thanks!
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[ben_thatmustbem tantek it doesn't change the words #indieweb-dev to #dev on slack
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tantek or vice versa presumably
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tantek does that mean there might be an orphan #indieweb-dev channel in Slack?
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tantek if someone in Slack clicks on that ^^^
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aaronpk slack doesn't autolink channel names that don't exist
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tantek hah ok not like IRC then
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[ben_thatmustbem its not even autolinking #dev when loqi moves it across, only if its typed in from slack
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tantek oh that's interesting
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tantek gRegorLove: one of the challenges is that many of the "first" HWC meetups in cities have very little web-evidence, e.g. photos or blog posts that they happened, with how many people etc.
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tantek might want to link to the first really "visible" one, with at least either a summary of discussion (IRC logs is fine), or photo or something else "citable"
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gRegorLove Outside the indieweb.org event, yeah
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tantek regardless of where the stuff is posted
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gRegorLove I was using the first meeting links from https://indieweb.org/Homebrew_Website_Club#Meetings
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tantek yeah - many of those I added and could use a second pair of eyes to "verify"
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tantek thinking from a historical perspective here
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gRegorLove Ahh
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tantek not sure how to capture distinction of when a meeting was scheduled to happened, and then after the fact it was clear it happened
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gRegorLove Huh, adactio's search results are semi-random order: https://adactio.com/search/?query=homebrew&section=
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tantek I believe the technical term is "relevance" ;)
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gRegorLove That'd be impressive
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gRegorLove !tell adactio When you get a chance, could you add your experience to /search#IndieWeb_Examples? Are your search results ordered by relevance?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Zegnat ben_thatmustbeme, we were testing slack notifications before (sknebel, sebsel, and me). sebsel did not get notifications because bots don’t trigger one. And IRC users are bots.
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Zegnat https://chat.indieweb.org/2017-06-07#t1496826631657000
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Loqi [[sebsel]] it only get highlighted in chat, not a notification, which was what I was looking for
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ben_thatmustbeme oh, huh, thats not what i was expecting
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ben_thatmustbeme but good i suppose
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Loqi Just generated this week's newsletter! You still have a few minutes to make changes, and I'll re-generate it 10 minutes before it gets sent out at 3pm Pacific time. https://indieweb.org/this-week/2017-06-09.html
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gRegorLove aaronpk: Is there an HWC PDX photo to add? ^
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aaronpk no
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tantek Edmonton!
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tantek Is that Kongaloosh ?
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Kongaloosh :D
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Kongaloosh you bet!
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tantek \o/
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tantek Kongaloosh++
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Loqi kongaloosh has 11 karma
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Kongaloosh we've got enough interest for a little bi-weekly event
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tantek aaronpk what about the talk you gave at donut.js or was that last week?
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tantek Kongaloosh: that's great! any photos yet?
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aaronpk that was last week
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tantek aaronpk: was the video posted last week also?
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Kongaloosh I forgot to take a photo of us
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Kongaloosh next time!
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tantek aaronpk, otherwise that's worth bookmarking for this week!
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tantek Kongaloosh: it happens! yes it is easy to forget :)
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tantek bbiab
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Kongaloosh it's been a while since I've had a HWC to go to
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aaronpk tantek: published june 4th
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Kongaloosh if people have advice on fostering a new group, I'd appreciate the advice
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Kongaloosh I've been going through some of the wiki pages, and they've been helpful on this front
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Zegnat Kongaloosh: lots of personal invitations to keep people coming back seems to be key
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Kongaloosh yeah?
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Kongaloosh that's the plan
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Kongaloosh but I was hoping to expand out of the range of people I personally know
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Comment on @Mentions by Jonathan LaCour" by Jonathan LaCour on 2017-06-09 http://boffosocko.com/mentions/#comment-34886
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tantek Kongaloosh: where in https://indieweb.org/events/2017-06-14-homebrew-website-club shall we add Edmonton? Is Edmonton HWC a go for 2017-06-14?
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tantek and for that matter, any other cities ready to confirm for next week HWC? https://indieweb.org/events/2017-06-14-homebrew-website-club#Where
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gRegorLove tantek: They're meeting on Tuesdays, next is the 20th
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Loqi [superfeedr] "? Feed reader revolution: it’s time to embrace open & disrupt social media" by Chris Aldrich on 2017-06-09 http://boffosocko.com/2017/06/09/%f0%9f%94%96-feed-reader-revolution-its-time-to-embrace-open-disrupt-social-media/
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tantek gRegorLove: interesting, then perhaps we should put a forwarder (backwarder?) in place then to point to that page?
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aaronpk nice emoji in that URL
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Kongaloosh we're actually off-set by a week and on tuesdays
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Kongaloosh tantek: ours is actually the 20th
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tantek ok then we can put in a forwarder!
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tantek what is 2017-06-20
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "2017-06-20" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek what is 2017-06-14
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "2017-06-14" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek 2017-06-14 is /events/2017-06-14-homebrew-website-club
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Loqi ok
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Loqi Generated the final version of the newsletter! This will be sent out at 3pm Pacific time. https://indieweb.org/this-week/2017-06-09.html
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tantek we have a "Podcasts" section in the wiki, would it make sense to have a "Videos" section as well that could pull from edits to the /videos_about_the_indieweb and add new items found since last week?
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aaronpk yeah!
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tantek bummer that your video did not make the newsletter!
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aaronpk oh yeah i shoulda sent it to indienews
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tantek I think we can do a better job of surfacing our really cool videos
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tantek I'm going to try something with IWC DUS page(s)
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@indiewebcamp This week in the #indieweb https://indieweb.org/this-week/2017-06-09.html (twitter.com/_/status/873302443416666112)
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@schmarty Your < 10min update on the #IndieWeb community! This Week in the IndieWeb audio edition for June 3rd - 9th, 2017. https://martymcgui.re/2017/06/09/181744/ (twitter.com/_/status/873303579720904705)
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schmarty tantek, aaronpk, the video was linked on the "videos about the indieweb" page, so it was technically "in" the newsletter. it's mentioned in the audio edition.
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schmarty i dereference links in wiki diffs. ;}
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aaronpk nice
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@huffduffer This Week in the IndieWeb Audio Edition • June 3rd - 9th, 2017 https://huffduffer.com/schmarty/412539 (twitter.com/_/status/873304732017852416)
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tantek !tell Kongaloosh could you create a wiki page for the next Edmonton HWC so we can include it in various listings (homepage, events, weekly newsletter etc.) https://indieweb.org/events/2017-06-20-homebrew-website-club
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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snarfed interesting, KevinMarks's site serves on both http://www.kevinmarks.com/ and http://www.kevin-marks.com/ , without redirecting
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