#indieweb 2017-06-12

2017-06-12 UTC
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eli_oat howdy
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[miklb] evening
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tantek cues up the IWC Nürnberg #microformats session
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tantek Why Netflix and chill when you can IndieWeb and chill?
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tantek aaronpk: we need to get you a dedicated live streaming laptop / setup whatever
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tantek good summary dfn aaronpk (of microformats)
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tantek wow the pulsing blue dot is awesome
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aaronpk Oh was that the session I couldn't laptop in because it was busy streaming?
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tantek yes!
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tantek though I don't understand how it was a problem in Nürnberg but not in Düsseldorf - where I saw you using your laptop in sessions that had a video stream!
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tantek e.g. checkins / indieauth - lots of furious typing :)
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aaronpk I might bring my real streaming setup next time, I think I can get it into a backpack
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tantek can we stream multiple rooms at IWS?
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GWG We did last time.
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tantek nie
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tantek nice
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aaronpk I'm hoping to get an overview of the Mozilla video setup tomorrow so I'll know what else I need to bring to stream the rest of the rooms
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tantek oh good point
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tantek if we Vidyo in every room, it might be possible to get recordings of everything.
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tantek I think I'd still prefer for rendundancy still stream 1-2 rooms to Youtube
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tantek just in case
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tantek "I basically get to treat everybody's web page as a JSON structure"
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tantek aaronpk: this would be another great session to get a transcript for
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tantek so weird hearing fragments of adactio in the backgroun "... social proof ..."
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tantek oops u-photo is not core h-entry?!?
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tantek (aaronpk)
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pfefferle !tell tantek I just read your discussion about the wordpress plugins and about me as a "bottleneck"... It is not that black and white as you painted it (i hope this also makes sense in english). Yes, I am not that active in the channel these days, but that is mainly because of my dayjob and the different time zones. I also was absent for quite some time and GWG had a really hard time to get code merged, but that is not the pr
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi pfefferle: [chrisaldrich] left you a message 3 days, 13 hours ago: I'm happy to help on an Indieweb PressThis email, but does it need one? I thought they simply went through https://wordpress.org/plugins/developers/add/ ? Let me know how I can help.
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pfefferle oblem any more. I am still actively maintaining my code and my respond time is very fast (keep the timezone in mind). If i stop selfdogfooding some of my plugins i always add other maintainers or completely transfer the ownership (see wordpress-indieweb, wordpress-uf2, wordpress-indieweb-press-this). If i do not release a new version to the WP.org repo, there are reasons for that. The webmention hompage changes for example ar
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pfefferle e nice, but they might cause a lot of brid.gy issues: https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/732 https://github.com/pfefferle/wordpress-webmention/issues/138 the same with the semantic-linkbacks plugin, that do not pass all unit-tests at the moment. I invested a lot of time in the development of my plugins and for the ones I am selfdogfooding I at least want to have a veto. Rushing updates at the cost of quality is no win.
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Loqi [pfefferle] #732 Don't send Webmentions for root URLs
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pfefferle !tell chrisaldrich have I said email? I meant readme... sorry...
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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pfefferle !tell chrisaldrich I made the indie-wapuu https://github.com/pfefferle/indie-wapuu
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi [pfefferle] indie-wapuu: The IndieWeb/IndieWordpress Wapuu
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pfefferle !tell miklb what do you mean by "official" indie wapuu?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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pfefferle !tell chrisaldrich the plugin needs a valid email to be pushed to the WP.org repo https://de.wordpress.org/plugins/developers/readme-validator/
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi Readme Validator
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pfefferle !tell chrisaldrich I again meant readme...
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Zegnat pfefferle, note that your !tell for tantek got split because of IRC message limits. Loqi probably wont be able to pass on the entirety.
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pfefferle Zegnat thanks but I hope he gets it anyways :)
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Zegnat This channel is logged, so he’ll find it :)
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Zegnat I saw both GWG and miklb also said your response time had gone up again, so I don’t think there are any hard feelings towards you amongst the actual WP crowd
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pfefferle Zegnat I hope I am still part of the WP crowd ;)
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Zegnat Haha, I would assume so
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Loqi ahahaha
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sknebel Zegnat: response time gone down, not up :P smaller is better
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Zegnat Woops, hahaha
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Zegnat goes to get another cup of morning tea
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@kevinmarks 1 yr ago today: #DWebSummit @InternetArchive What next? Join us at #IndieWeb Summit @MozPDX in 2 weeks! RSVP: … http://tantek.com/2017/160/t2/dwebsummit-indieweb-summit (twitter.com/_/status/874210273661304832)
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Loqi [superfeedr] "1 yr ago today: #DWebSummit @InternetArchive What next? Join us at #IndieWeb Summit @MozPDX in 2 weeks! RSVP: https://2017.indieweb.org/ Watch recent @IndieWebCamp sessions (video links in schedule grids) * https://indieweb.org/2017/D%C3%BCsseldorf/Schedule * https://indieweb.org/2017/Nuremberg/Schedule Last year: * IndieWeb Summit 2016: https://indieweb.org/2016 * Decentralized Web Summit 2016: * https://www.decentralizedweb.net/ * https://indieweb.org/dwebsummit * http://tantek.com/2016/161/ (notes all day) * http://tantek.com/2016/160/t2/dwebsummit (and subsequent → posts) https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CkuFGItUYAACxBz.jpg https://twitter.com/internetarchive/status/741832908323708929 - Tantek" by Kevin Marks on 2017-06-12 http://tantek.com/2017/160/t2/dwebsummit-indieweb-summit
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GWG pfefferle: For the record, I don't agree with tantek on the matter. I'd like to see more rapid development, but with people having limited time, the only way to do that is to have more people involved contributing.
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GWG Especially with my less than perfect pull request record
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pfefferle GWG and that is the point... we added the wordpress-indieweb review process to keep code quality high and to discuss different approches.... it does not help to add more people only to click the verify button, otherwise we simply can remove this process, but we need real contributors...
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petermolnar seeing that Decentralized Web Summit - it's been a year, are there any actual products/projects/code/etc or only the vast amount of laments for the fall of the free web?
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Zegnat Mastodon, petermolnar? Though that probably didn’t come out of dWebSummit
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petermolnar definitely not a product of that; an outcome maybe, but heavily debatable
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pfefferle GWG up to now, no one wanted to contribute to wordpress-mf2 or wordpress-indieweb-press-this and transfering it to the indieweb repo does not speed this up...
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@sl007 @nicolagreco https://indieweb.org/2017 [ Portland, June 24 - 25 ] (twitter.com/_/status/874228803933007872)
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GWG I keep thinking about a major update to wordpress-uf2
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pfefferle GWG sure, you are a contributor
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pfefferle GWG do whatever you think is good :)
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pfefferle GWG I can also move it to the indieweb repo if you think it makes sense
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GWG I have the idea of making it a plugin and drop in library for a theme.
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pfefferle GWG +1
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GWG Before that, I have Syndication Links and Simple Location comment support to display the data I updated Semantic Linkbacks to save.
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pfefferle GWG that is the second topic... I only want to push the changes if the tests are green again...
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GWG I got them to all pass but one. But I am not sure why.
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pfefferle GWG but as we discussed in the issues... the unittests on travis are still showing two errors...
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GWG The issue with the others was that an h-card separate from the h-entry must use a URL on the same domain
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GWG It is one of the original checks.
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GWG pfefferle:. May need a second look. Sometimes I can't see it initially
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[miklb] pfefferle I wasn't sure I what I mean, just something that could be put on a sticker someday if we wanted
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Loqi [miklb]: pfefferle left you a message 6 hours, 38 minutes ago: what do you mean by "official" indie wapuu?
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GWG Howdy miklb
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[miklb] Good morning!
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Loqi *yawn*
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pfefferle miklb I used the GPL license but I can change it to CC0 if you want... feel free to use it where ever you want :)
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[miklb] pfefferle I just want to look at compatibility not sure CC0 is.
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Zegnat [miklb] compatibility what way?
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[miklb] I know themes are expected to be gpl so again, just want to refresh my memory
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[miklb] Gpl compatible
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Zegnat Oh, I don’t know about that
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[miklb] Especially when it comes to putting in the official wp.org repo
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singpolyma CC0 is definitely GPL-compatible. *however* be careful using something like CC0 for code, since it doesn't have the warranty disclaimer or other parts, which may matter depending on your juristiction
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[miklb] I personally prefer ASL or MIT
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Zegnat CC0 is fine for code, https://creativecommons.org/2011/04/15/using-cc0-for-public-domain-software/, it is not a licence, it is a dedication
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Loqi [mike] Using CC0 for public domain software
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singpolyma https://wiki.creativecommons.org/wiki/CC0_FAQ#May_I_apply_CC0_to_computer_software.3F_If_so.2C_is_there_a_recommended_implementation.3F adds "This software is distributed without any warranty." which may be sufficient
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sknebel (while we are talking about bugs: why does the tantek-post Loqi dumped into #indieweb 4.5 hours ago say "by Kevin Marks"?!)
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sknebel (whops, that was meant for indieweb-chat, but works here as well)
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Zegnat That should probably get linked in the GitHub issue, singpolyma
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Zegnat I would mostly like us to adopt a PD dedication (CC0/Unlicensed/SQLite/whatever) so that anyone can pick-up the tools developed by the community and use it within a plugin/cms/project of their own without having to worry about licence compatibilities.
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[miklb] Zegnat that makes sense for generic libraries but code to be compatible with a project it's meant to be used in ?
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Zegnat PD is compatible with everything by default, as nobody is claiming any rights to it. You could even take it and relicense it under something obscure just to be compatible with something else.
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Zegnat And it means that if your WP plugin has implemented feature-X, a Grav plugin can just copy it and include it wholesale or with tweaking, without having to care about attribution/licensing/compatibilities/etc.
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[kevinmarks] I reposted tantek's post
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sknebel hm, that shouldn't really show it without that context :/ (and of course, not dump 10+ lines out)
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aaronpk oh yeah funny, it shows tantek's permalink instead of KevinMarks'
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[chrisaldrich] Good morning
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Loqi [chrisaldrich]: pfefferle left you a message 8 hours, 42 minutes ago: have I said email? I meant readme... sorry...
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Loqi [chrisaldrich]: pfefferle left you a message 8 hours, 41 minutes ago: I made the indie-wapuu https://github.com/pfefferle/indie-wapuu
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Loqi [chrisaldrich]: pfefferle left you a message 8 hours, 19 minutes ago: the plugin needs a valid email to be pushed to the WP.org repo https://de.wordpress.org/plugins/developers/readme-validator/
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Loqi [chrisaldrich]: pfefferle left you a message 8 hours, 19 minutes ago: I again meant readme...
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dougbeal Good Morning
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gRegorLove Good morning, indieweb
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gRegorLove 12 days until IWS! 10 spots left!
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Loqi I added a countdown scheduled for 2017-06-24 10:40am PDT (#6019)
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gRegorLove Haha
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Loqi ahaha
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gRegorLove Loqi, delete that.
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aaronpk !cancel 6019
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Loqi Okay, I cancelled it!
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tantek lol
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Loqi tantek: pfefferle left you a message 10 hours, 55 minutes ago: I just read your discussion about the wordpress plugins and about me as a "bottleneck"... It is not that black and white as you painted it (i hope this also makes sense in english). Yes, I am not that active in the channel these days, but that is mainly because of my dayjob and the different time zones. I also was absent for quite some time and GWG had a really hard time to get code merged, but that is not the pr
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tantek aww message cut-off
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tantek !tell pfefferle good to know it is not that black and white. Still want your opinion on moving indieweb related plugins to the indieweb github org, and adding multiple admins for those repos so multiple people can review, accept pull requests, and do releases to the official WP plugin directory
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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@dissolve333 @ScalaWilliam Indie Web Summit is fast approaching. You can remote attend if you can't make it physically. http://indieweb.org/2017 (twitter.com/_/status/874333206778085376)
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Zegnat When is next-hwc?
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Loqi https://indieweb.org/next-hwc
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tantek Should we indicate on 2017.indieweb.org that remote participation is a possibility? and how to?
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tantek Jeena!
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Jeena is fighting with znc
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Jeena somehow the init process with the pid 1 (I'm using debian with systemd) just takes tcp6 port 6667 so znc can't start
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tantek resists the temptation to what is
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Jeena I changed it to 6666 now and it works but that is so weird
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Jeena hehe
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Zegnat Go in all the way and run on 666?
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Jeena haha
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Loqi nice
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tantek Jeena are you coming to IndieWeb Summit?
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Jeena no, it's a bit to faar, but I'll be in Berlin
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tantek Ooh is there a Berlin remote participation setup happening?
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tantek Jeena, maybe see if you can get in touch with the folks that organized (are organizing) IWC Berlin and see if MozBerlin is available
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Zegnat I think that’s IWC Berlin in November, not secondary-IWS-Berlin?
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tantek right, but maybe it could be arranged
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Zegnat Hmm, there is no Mozilla in Sweden, is there?
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Jeena ah yeah the november one
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gRegorLove when is next-hwc?
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Loqi Homebrew Website Club Meetup is on 2017-06-14 at ttt Werkstattraum https://indieweb.org/next-hwc
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tantek what about the other venues / cities Loqi?
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Zegnat What did I do wrong..?
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gRegorLove Was just going to suggest if there's multiple locations maybe Loqi could list the cities
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Zegnat Oooh, the capitalisation bug again!
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gRegorLove Nothing, it's a case-sensitive bug Zegnat
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Zegnat Yeah, remembered right as I was typing the question, gRegorLove ;)
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Zegnat is considering putting Virtual HWC up again this Wednesday
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gRegorLove aaronpk: We've been adding to /loqi#Bugs btw. Let me know if you'd prefer github issues
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petermolnar Jeena I can help with znc, what's up? /probably move to #indiechat with it though/
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tantek just dropped this one in the public Mozilla # airmozilla channel:
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tantek Another t-shirt idea: Do you SURF the Open Web, or do you SERF the Feudal Web?
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gRegorLove Hah
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Zegnat I would wear that shirt in a heartbeat
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gRegorLove Hashtag indiedadjokes :)
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Zegnat Virtual HWC European Time is on the wiki for this week again. I am home anyway.
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dougbeal tantek: Maybe some ascii art on the back? :)
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tantek lol dougbeal no need to make it seem retro-nerd specific (as much as I like ASCII art)
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tantek background: https://www.schneier.com/essays/archives/2013/06/you_have_no_control.html
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tantek and http://idlewords.com/talks/notes_from_an_emergency.htm#Feudal Internet
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tantek https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2013/10/the_battle_for_1.html
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tantek https://www.schneier.com/essays/archives/2012/11/when_it_comes_to_sec.html
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petermolnar gRegorLove++
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petermolnar gRegorLove++
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Loqi gregorlove has 99 karma in this channel (143 overall)
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petermolnar see, that's the thing, schneier was screaming about this 5 years ago, the "big" blogging names 2-3years ago, but only now do the ones with countless followers...
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tantek petermolnar: it has seen a resurgence this year, because of among other things, maciej's blogposts and talks and such
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tantek and now Mozilla is using the term "feudal" in some posts too
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tantek so I think it may be picking up again
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tantek e.g. this was recent: https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/fight-feudal-internet/2017/05/29
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Loqi [superfeedr] "t-shirt idea: Do you SURF the Open Web, or Do you SERF the Feudal Web? #openweb #indieweb #feudalweb #feudalinternet" on 2017-06-12 http://tantek.com/2017/163/t1/surf-open-web-serf-feudal
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@t t-shirt idea: Do you SURF the Open Web, or Do you SERF the Feudal Web? #openweb #indieweb #feudalweb #feudalinternet (ttk.me t4op1) (twitter.com/_/status/874341874231914496)
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Jeena was feudalism the structure of sociaty where we had the clergy, the dirty peasonts, nobelman and so on?
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petermolnar you may be oversimplifying it, but yes
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petermolnar also the time when people revolted due to <20% taxation
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tantek basically: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feudalism except the serfs did all the work for free for others who owned the land they lived on
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tantek which parallels silos / social media perfectly.
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Jeena I'm not sure how it parallels silos/sm but It sure parallels zuckerberg/larry page vs. the rest of us
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tantek Jeena - social media users do "work" (create content) for *free* for the owners of social media sites.
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tantek where they "live" in their social media profiles
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tantek seems quite 1:1 to me
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tantek if you live on social media, you do work for social media for free
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Jeena ah, now I get it
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tantek Tell me again how you use SMS to auth all the things https://twitter.com/zorinaq/status/872327632200892416
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@zorinaq SIM swapping attacks against @Coinbase users are so widespread that @Authy mass-emailed warnings (yes I'm sharing on soc. media—ok for me) https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DBshSr2WAAAUnmO.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/872327632200892416)
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tantek Not sure if that would cause a tell me again meme or a all the things meme
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Loqi http://meme.loqi.me/m/4oph6LHL.jpg
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tantek sms--
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Loqi sms has 0 karma
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tantek phonenumber--
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Loqi phonenumber has -1 karma
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snarfed 2fa++
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snarfed (use an app, not sms :P)
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tantek looks like Loqi doesn't karma things starting with numbers, or maybe requires asciialpha start
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Loqi I'm pretty sure looks like loqi doesn't karma things starting with numbers
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tantek LOLOL
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tantek Loqi++
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Loqi loqi has 59 karma in this channel (428 overall)
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tantek e2ee++
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Loqi e2ee has 1 karma
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Zegnat 0++
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Zegnat Guess numbers are out
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sknebel +++
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petermolnar snarfed tell that to the service providers without alternatives to sms 2fa
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snarfed petermolnar: agreed! fortunately there aren't many of those. paypal is the only one i can think of that i use personally. TOTP is arguably just as easy for them to support as SMS. lobby them!
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petermolnar twitter?
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snarfed supports app
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petermolnar I missed that somehow
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petermolnar ok
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aaronpk for some reason namecheap only allows SMS for 2fa
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snarfed (maybe only twitter app itself, not separate app, but still)
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aaronpk even tho they have an app
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petermolnar oh, app like that
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Zegnat I get annoyed by providers that do not allow me to pick my own TOTP application and instead want me to install yet another app. Like Twitter.
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petermolnar well, no, not thanks
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Zegnat Steam comes to mind too.
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Zegnat Facebook on the other hand allows me to use FreeOTP!
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tantek Zegnat, indeed similarly annoyed by that
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tantek what is TOTP
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Loqi TOTP is a mechanism of generating a one-time password from a shared secret key and the current time, often used for two-factor auth https://indieweb.org/TOTP
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tantek what is FreeOTP?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "FreeOTP" yet. Would you like to create it?
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Zegnat FreeOTP is an open-source application for [[HOTP]] and [[TOTP]] authentication.
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Loqi ok
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tantek what is HOTP?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "HOTP" yet. Would you like to create it?
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Zegnat HOTP is a mechanism of generating a one-time password from a shared secret key and a counter, often used for two-factor auth
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Loqi ok
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Zegnat Also added the FreeOTP url through a wiki edit. Is there some clever way to let Loqi handle that?
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sknebel I think that came up in the past and there is not, unless I missed an update
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tantek there is the trick to use < < (without the space in between) to add to the See Also section of a page
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Zegnat But when you give a new definition, you often want the name (e.g. FreeOTP) to become a link.
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ben_thatmustbeme updated JF2 WD is out. https://www.w3.org/TR/jf2/#jf2feed
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ben_thatmustbeme now with JF2 Feed included
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@manton2 A little bummed that I also lost my IndieWebCamp sticker when Apple replaced my MacBook screen. Gotta attend another Homebrew Website Club. (twitter.com/_/status/874363246349832192)
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@dissolve333 @manton2 IndieWeb Summit is only 12 days away (twitter.com/_/status/874363753227321344)
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sebsel hm, the TOTP page links to an article by aaronpk, describing a now unsupported method of signin in to IndieAuth.com... https://aaronparecki.com/2013/07/15/4/password-less-logins-from-your-own-domain-with-a-pebble-watch
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Loqi [Aaron Parecki] Password-less Logins from Your Own Domain with a Pebble Watch
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ben_thatmustbeme i argued that it was very bad security
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sebsel ben_thatmustbeme The argument is not on the wiki :)
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sebsel why is it bad?
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ben_thatmustbeme TOTP << An updated @w3c working draft of JF2 just went out. Now includes JF2 Feed profile.
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Loqi ok, I added "An updated @w3c working draft of JF2 just went out. Now includes JF2 Feed profile." to the "See Also" section of /Time-based_One-time_Password_Algorithm
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ben_thatmustbeme arggg, wrong paste
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ben_thatmustbeme TOTP << https://ben.thatmustbe.me/article/2014/10/16/1/totp_and_you
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Loqi ok, I added "https://ben.thatmustbe.me/article/2014/10/16/1/totp_and_you" to the "See Also" section of /Time-based_One-time_Password_Algorithm
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Loqi [Ben Roberts] Time based One Time Pad and You
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gRegorLove Hmm, I'd commented on that but it's not showing.
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ben_thatmustbeme gRegorLove: i'm still working through rebuilding my site
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ben_thatmustbeme some of the comments parsed got lost in the transition
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Anchakor for passwords I need just 1 password manager, is there a single-app solution for TOTP?
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Zegnat Anchakor: FreeOTP
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Zegnat What is FreeOTP?
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Loqi FreeOTP is an open-source application for HOTP and TOTP authentication https://indieweb.org/FreeOTP
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@jgmac1106 Check out what @BryanMMathers did with @t t-shirt idea #indieweb https://twitter.com/BryanMMathers/status/874366052473466884 (twitter.com/_/status/874366638677786624)
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sebsel 1password does TOTP too, but no HOTP
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sebsel ben_thatmustbeme thanks! I'll add it to the reading list :)
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Anchakor my work remote work required specific app, is there an effort to standardize that so I could just use FreeOTP?
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Zegnat ben_thatmustbeme, interesting read. I went the other way: my wiki has only TOTP login on.
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gRegorLove Ah, it was in reply to kylewm's comment actually. https://gregorlove.com/2014/10/i-think-the-distinction-is-1/
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Loqi [gRegor Morrill] I think the distinction is that it's two separate passphrases. It's not a matter of brute forcing an n+6 length passphrase (n being the length of your passphrase), but brute forcing a passphrase of length n, then brute forcing a 6 digit number. Both ...
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Zegnat Anchakor, if they implement the TOTP or HOTP standard (those have RFCs) you can use any authenticator app. If they use something proprietary you will be out of luck.
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Anchakor ah nice with the RFCs
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Zegnat HOTP << https://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc4226.txt
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Loqi ok, I added "https://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc4226.txt" to the "See Also" section of /HMAC-based_One-time_Password_Algorithm
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Zegnat TOTP << https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6238
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Loqi ok, I added "https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6238" to the "See Also" section of /Time-based_One-time_Password_Algorithm
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Zegnat Hmm. I should make the HOTP one link to the HTML version too
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Zegnat Anchakor, those are the RFC links either way :)
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Zegnat While we are on the subject, Maciej just pushed this page: https://techsolidarity.org/resources/security_key_faq.htm
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aaronpk yeah i disabled TOTP and SMS as indieauth.com authentication options because they should be second factor not only factor
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[cleverdevil] FYI, I am in San Francisco through Wednesday afternoon for a conference, if there's anyone around who wants to grab a drink or get together!
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[cleverdevil] I'll then be in Paris for six days from Wednesday for WordCamp EU. Same story. Happy to get together and chat IndieWeb!
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Zegnat [cleverdevil], I am going to do Virtual HWC on wednesday again. So you are welcome to jump in if you’re on EU time.
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[cleverdevil] I can't remember when I land in Paris, but I'll check the wiki and see if I can hop in.
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tantek speaking of graphics: https://twitter.com/BryanMMathers/status/874366052473466884
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@BryanMMathers @t This could work... #openweb #oer17 Thanks for the tip-off @jgmac1106 :) https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DCJevJsXYAEbcAf.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/874366052473466884)
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@MichelleJLevine Conference overload! @ACT_WConf starts Friday, @osbridge starting Tuesday, & then @indiewebcamp summit over the weekend. So much excitement? (twitter.com/_/status/874395350252961792)
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[cleverdevil] Sitting in a conference on product management, and its lovely. Thinking about applying some of the learnings to help spread IndieWeb principles.
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PMfan salutes Indieweb comrades
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PMfan Page https://indieweb.org/discuss (which lists ways to contact) suggests using port 6667 to connect to irc.freenode.net
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PMfan This port is used to communicate in plain text, which seems to be a bad practice nowadays
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aaronpk well considering the channel is publicly logged, I don't really think it matters much :P
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aaronpk but yes would be good to add the ssl port as well. feel free to edit the page!
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PMfan Freenode’s guide welcomes using SSL via ports 6697, 7000 or 7070 https://freenode.net/kb/answer/chat
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eli_oat howdy all
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