#indieweb 2017-06-13

2017-06-13 UTC
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@dissolve333 @cheegunn What do you want it to be. Write it all out and maybe someone can make it happen. #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/874430824405508100)
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@ChrisAldrich To honor 75 anniv. of Anne Frank's diary, I'll help someone buy a domain & set up a blog #ownyourvoice #indieweb https://twitter.com/marinamaral2/status/874283556255789060 (twitter.com/_/status/874431291810304002)
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Loqi [superfeedr] "To honor 75 anniv. of Anne Frank's diary, I'll help someone buy a domain & set up a blog #ownyourvoice #indieweb https://twitter.com/marinamaral2/status/874283556255789060" by Chris Aldrich on 2017-06-13 http://stream.boffosocko.com/2017/to-honor-75-anniv-of-anne-franks-diary-ill-help
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tantek good evening #indieweb
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tantek re-reads logs here and #indieweb-dev
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GWG Hello, tantek
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tantek hello GWG
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GWG How are things going?
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tantek oh hey has the updated Post Kinds plugin made it into the WP plugin dir?
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tantek GWG?
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GWG tantek: Over the weekend.
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tantek GWG, that's definitely worth posting about!
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GWG tantek: How so?
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@annbass Fantastic work @aaronpk, w #indieweb & @SocialWebWG help. Link is excellent description of how idea / spec can mov… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/874502006517280768 (twitter.com/_/status/874502006517280768)
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pfefferle good morning
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Loqi pfefferle: tantek left you a message 13 hours, 54 minutes ago: good to know it is not that black and white. Still want your opinion on moving indieweb related plugins to the indieweb github org, and adding multiple admins for those repos so multiple people can review, accept pull requests, and do releases to the official WP plugin directory
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Loqi good morning
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Zegnat dougbeal, I don’t know how you timezoned last time, but there is another virtual hwc on CEST time tomorrow: https://licit.li/593fa571d6b80
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Loqi [Martijn van der Ven] I will be “hosting” another Virtual Homebrew Website Club this Wednesday from 17:30 to 19:30 (CEST) on talky.io/hwc. No harm done if nobody shows up, but I would love some company!
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Zegnat Loqi, you did it!
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Zegnat gives Loqi a cookie
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Loqi eats the cookie
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Zegnat voxpelli, Jeena, petermolnar, if you want to give virtual HWC (another) try you are of course very welcome to join me too
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Jeena when would that be?
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Jeena which day?
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petermolnar Zegnat can't do it tomorrow
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Zegnat Jeena, just a few lines up in the IRC. This Wednesday is HWC day. Thought I would just open up talky.io again and see if anyone shows up.
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Jeena I can't tomorrow either, we have a project-kickoff party tomorrow
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Zegnat No problems, petermolnar, Jeena. Just wanted to make sure you were at least notified of its existence :)
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@calum_ryan hosting Homebrew Website Club London 18:00-20:00 Tomorrow! 14/05 https://indieweb.org/events/2017-06-14-homebrew-website-club#London @justinavery #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/874566111546789888)
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Bridging emoji is hard" by Kevin Marks on 2017-06-13 http://known.kevinmarks.com/2017/bridging-emoji-is-hard
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calumryan Zegnat there’s a possibility we could try a link up with you on talky for the last 30 minutes
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Zegnat calumryan, that might be sweet! To be honest, if nobody else shows up, I will just be able to link up whenever by myself
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@HackerEvents IndieWebCamp on Saturday 04 November 10:00 @ Contentful (Germany) https://indiewebcamp.com/2017/Berlin (twitter.com/_/status/874589489498386433)
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tantek !tell GWG delayed reply. Everytime you ship an update that users can (semi)automatically go get, or go install, it is worth blogging about. E.g. "Post Kinds Plugin now supports Indie RSVPs!"
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek !tell GWG and that's the meaning of "supports" we should use - when it actually ships in a way that a user can easily update to it or install. If it requires sftp/scp, it has not "shipped", it is in "development preview" or some such at best
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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aaronpk good morning
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Loqi *yawn*
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sknebel good morning!
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@blog_bleistift ? tomorrow: Homebrew Website Club Berlin # 9 - The Indie Web Introduction Event https://www.meetup.com/Indie-Web-Homebrew-Website-Club/events/240506793/?_locale=de-DE @derhess @IndieWebCampDE (twitter.com/_/status/874639741118971904)
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@IndieWebCampDE Ebenfalls morgen: Spontaner Homebrew Website Club Nürnberg https://indieweb.org/events/2017-06-14-homebrew-website-club#N.C3.BCrnberg +@renebreckner (twitter.com/_/status/874640502473334784)
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Zegnat I wonder if I should list https://licit.li/593fa571d6b80 as indie event URL for /next-hwc
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tantek for which venue?
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tantek Zegnat: "The service is not available. Please try again later."
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sknebel Zegnat: not available?
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Zegnat Wow. That sounds like my hosting is down :o
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aaronpk eep
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sknebel yep, your front page is gone as well
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tantek !tell benwerd could you please fix https://werd.io/2017/homebrew-website-club-june-14-2017 to have the right date in the start/end times? (off by one) and create a FB POSSE copy for it?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi Homebrew Website Club: June 14, 2017
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Zegnat It should be back again. At least it is for me.
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sknebel Zegnat: in general, if it is you announcing the event why not? something that shows rsvps would be nicer, but if that's not available thats what it is
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sknebel yep, back
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Zegnat It is an announcement, has an h-event, and accepts webmentions.
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Zegnat It just doesn’t display RSVPs.
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Zegnat We were unlucky, they were just rebooting Apache for some config changes when I linked my event
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Zegnat Maybe Loqi understands it now? https://licit.li/593fa571d6b80
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Loqi [Martijn van der Ven] I will be “hosting” another Virtual Homebrew Website Club this Wednesday from 17:30 to 19:30 (CEST) on talky.io/hwc. No harm done if nobody shows up, but I would love some company!
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Zegnat :o
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tantek nice!
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aaronpk that's 15 minutes from now tomorrow right?
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tantek right
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Zegnat aaronpk: yes
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tantek I want to ask everyone's opinion about something - we've been trying to post indie events for every HWC (per city), and then a FB POSSE copy (optionally) to invite people who may not yet be sending indie RSVPs etc.
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tantek but sometimes indie events don't get posted in time or in advance enough because there are so few of us who have sites that can post them
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tantek what do people think if we started with posting just a FB event before an indie event was posted?
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tantek for things like Homebrew Website Club in various cities, just so that there is *something* that we can use to link to for specific cities, to invite people in particular cities to etc.
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tantek (so far I've been hesitant to do this, but given how late indie events have been posted for various HWC cities, I'm now leaning towards doing and even encouraging at least a FB event posted in advance to get more people)
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Zegnat I am not sure the FB events actually go live that much in advance.
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tantek and also, why is it so hard to post indie events? (I mean for the folks who have sites capable of doing so, implementing it on your site is another big challenge)
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tantek bbiab
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Zegnat Matter of experience, probably. Not used to hosting events on their own websites.
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tantek (but please discuss, looking for answers / insights from anyone here)
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aaronpk since i've been posting the FB events under the indiewebcamp page, I haven't been getting the RSVP backfeed to my site because my site and the indiewebcamp FB page aren't linked
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tantek aaronpk - your site and the page don't have to be linked
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aaronpk bridgy won't send the backfeed if they're not linked
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tantek if you have a u-syndication link from your indie event to the FB POSSE copy
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tantek pretty sure that works
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aaronpk it hasn't been
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tantek and if the FB event links back to your indie event
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tantek that should "just work"
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tantek if it doesn't, that's a bug in Bridgy, because last I saw, that worked
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tantek and did not need any linking of accounts
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sknebel We (Berlin) have now started to create our meetup.com events long in advance, but the indie-versions are only created once we have the location determined (which keeps giving us trouble)
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Zegnat It might not help that a lot of the organisation is slightly spur-of-the-moment. Like Berlin’s location. Or tomorrow’s Nürnberg one that was only just created on FB (and added to the wiki) as a “Spontaneous” HWC.
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aaronpk hm okay now i can't remember where this left off: https://chat.indieweb.org/bridgy/2017-05-10
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snarfed aaronpk: looks like https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/49 ?
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Loqi [tantek] #49 backfeed comments from event posts (not currently exposed by FB)
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snarfed oh but rsvps should work
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aaronpk this is just about RSVPs
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snarfed i'll look
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sknebel Zegnat: Right. We let it slip a bit to much, and now are making an effort to get it better (announcing a series of events with predefined topics and such, lets see if people actually come), but we also have 3 organisers to remind each other about things.
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aaronpk snarfed: i have a vague recollection of last time we discussed this you said it was because the FB event is on the indiewebcamp page
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Zegnat Not personal, sknebel. I think it is a general problem.
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sknebel Zegnat: sure, didn't take it that way. More like "if even 3 people mess it up, it's probably harder for smaller events with only one main organiser"
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snarfed aaronpk: right. reading backlog...if you're hoping for backfeed from an indiewebcamp-page-owned-event to aaronparecki.com, then i think you're right, aaronparecki.com needs to be in the IWC page's FB profile
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snarfed i see tantek's u-syndication claim, but i don't think that's true (now or ever)
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Zegnat adactio is HWC Brighton happening tomorrow? That’s the last TBD on /next-hwc for Europe!
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aaronpk okay that's what i was remembering
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adactio Zegnat: Alas, no—I’ll be out of the country.
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Loqi adactio: gRegorLove left you a message 3 days, 21 hours ago: When you get a chance, could you add your experience to /search#IndieWeb_Examples? Are your search results ordered by relevance?
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Loqi adactio: [eddie] left you a message 1 day, 18 hours ago: whoa!! You're on my podcast player!! (Presentable)
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Zegnat adactio I will remove it from the page then, thanks!
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aaronpk would there be any harm in checking for reciprocal u-syndication links from the indie event to the FB event regardless of which account they're on?
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Zegnat TBDs left on /next-hwc: Scranton PA, Seattle WA (is funwhilelost on IRC?), Los Angeles (ping chrisaldrich, shaners)
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Zegnat Scranton isn’t on /hwc, so do not know who organises.
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sknebel [cdevroe]
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sknebel but as far as I can find last and only event in february
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Zegnat aaronpk, are you streaming the Pre Summit Meetup/Party? ;)
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aaronpk haha it will probably not work very well to do that
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Loqi ahahahaha
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Zegnat Darn.
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Zegnat I’ll just have to have my own party then!
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Zegnat Seattle has been missing or TBD on all dates back to /events/2017-04-19-homebrew-website-club where it was new. If there has only been one, it is probably safe to remove it from the event page. Thoughts?
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Zegnat Scranton has had one this year /events/2017-02-08-homebrew-website-club . Also safe to be removed?
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Loqi [superfeedr] "IndieWeb Summit Pre-Party" on 2017-06-13 http://calagator.org/events/1250472074
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Loqi IndieWeb Summit Pre-Party on Friday, Jun 23, 7:00pm at Pine Street Market
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sknebel Zegnat: given that scranton apparently *only* had that event I'd guess yes. Can always be easily readded if it reappears
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sknebel cdevroe hasn't published any later events on his site either
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Zegnat Who is funwhilelost?
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Loqi https://indieweb.org/User:Www.funwhilelost.com
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Zegnat Sent a tweet to funwhilelost, will see if that sparks him. Removing Scranton and commenting Seattle for now
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Zegnat LA is the only TBD left, and we have 1 cancelled event listed.
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Zegnat !tell [chrisaldrich] is HWC LA happening tomorrow?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Zegnat sknebel, re readding, true. But the really regular events are nice to just comment out, so they get transfered over to next dates.
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tantek Zegnat++ for wrangling HWC cities and organizers!
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Loqi zegnat has 45 karma in this channel (62 overall)
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gRegorLove Good morning, indieweb
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gRegorLove I sent a note to cdevroe.com asking if he was still organizing Scranton. Haven't heard back. Don't think he's checking Twitter, so I might email him.
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[markmhendrickso good morning ya'll ?
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tantek good morning [markmhendrickso !
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tantek aaronpk: ^^^ slack to IRC bridge nick truncation?
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aaronpk freenode nick length limits
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aaronpk welcome mark! long time!
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[markmhendrickso my name's too long it appears ?
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[markmhendrickso thanks aaronpk! indeed!
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[markmhendrickso i've been quietly / solo hacking on neotoma.io mostly full-time the past year, will look fwd to getting all of your feedback on it soon
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aaronpk fun!
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snarfed hey [markmhendrickso!
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snarfed neotoma++
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Loqi neotoma has 1 karma
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[markmhendrickso snarfed ! i owe you an advisor update obviously ?
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snarfed yes! looking fwd to it
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[markmhendrickso massive "didn't send advisor email way longer than expected" guilt...there should be a medical condition for that
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snarfed lol
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[markmhendrickso life, coding is hard, blah blah
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snarfed you should join us virtually for IWS next weekend! https://2017.indieweb.org/
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Loqi IndieWeb Summit
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[markmhendrickso oooooo indeed!
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[markmhendrickso i'll try to make the first part of the day at least since it's 9 hours diff
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Loqi I agree
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Zegnat There is also a Homebrew Website Club this wednesday. A Virtual one for EU is being done. Welcome to join!
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Zegnat https://licit.li/593fa571d6b80
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[markmhendrickso @Zegnat cool! i have a block of meetings during then but can come for the first 30 min
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aaronpk just found this post via a webmention to me! https://francescoboffa.com/trying-this-indieweb-thing
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Loqi [Francesco Boffa] Trying this IndieWeb thing
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[colinwalker] That's a good post.
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[kevinmarks] what is Hugo?
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Loqi Hugo is a static site generator written in Go https://indieweb.org/hugo
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[kevinmarks] hugo << https://www.sarasoueidan.com/blog/jekyll-ghpages-to-hugo-netlify/
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Loqi ok, I added "https://www.sarasoueidan.com/blog/jekyll-ghpages-to-hugo-netlify/" to the "See Also" section of /hugo
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[kevinmarks] interesting that Hugo now imports directly from jekyll
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@IndieWebSummit Some IndieWebSummit updates! https://aaronparecki.com/2017/06/13/6/indieweb-summit https://twitter.com/IndieWebSummit/status/874689837952933888/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/874689837952933888)
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aaronpk nice use of "audience" if i may say so myself ^^
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tantek very cool!
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tantek what is an audience?
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Loqi audience is an experimental property of a post that indicates the intended recipients (readers) of the post https://indieweb.org/audience
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tantek different enough example to be worth capturing
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[shanehudson] Any ideas why I would get SSL error connecting to my site with IndieAuth?
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aaronpk :sigh: something about the server reusing connections and stuff getting stuck
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tantek o/ [shanehudson]
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[kevinmarks] http://svgur.com/s/1vo
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Loqi Micropub logo candidate http://svgur.com/i/1vo.svg
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[kevinmarks] were we having that conversation in here?
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tantek kevinmarks lol looks like a sloppy old Motorola logo ?
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tantek no that's not it. now looking for why that logo looks familiar
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[kevinmarks] I based it on http://svgur.com/s/1wq
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Loqi share symbol http://svgur.com/i/1wq.svg
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[kevinmarks] but not sure that reads as share to everyone
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tantek KevinMarks: I found this https://fr.fotolia.com/id/144146057
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tantek and https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/05/a7/e5/05a7e5634bff52792c381141c9596455.jpg
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[kevinmarks] it looks a bit like the atomium too
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[kevinmarks] there are variants of the share icon with outlined circles like PCB pads too, which I think those are aiming for
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[kevinmarks] a bit like https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Categorisation-hierarchy-top2down.svg
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Loqi Categorisation-hierarchy-top2down.svg
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[miklb] greetings!
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tantek wow that's really not a useful text equivalent Loqi
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tantek audience << [[email list]]
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Loqi ok, I added "[[email list]]" to the "See Also" section of /audience
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tantek email list << audience
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Loqi ok, I added "[[audience]]" to the "See Also" section of /email_list
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[kevinmarks] could shrink the circles a bit maybe
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tantek I wish I could remember where I've seen that M with dots on corners type treatment before
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tantek Instagram announced a new "Archive" feature: https://www.instagram.com/p/BVSci4MgvPN/
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Loqi [Mike Krieger] Today we're launching Archive—an easy way for you to take any of your own posts and move them to a new space that's only visible to you. You can archive any of your own posts using the ... menu, and see them on your own profile under the new Archiv... https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/t51.2885-15/e35/19120802_1166336670137959_5264369585397694464_n.jpg
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tantek oh my I didn't realize Loqi could do that
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tantek interesting redefinition of "Archive" (setting a post to private to you)
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tantek or maybe just hiding it from your primary profile stream?
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tantek curious
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gRegorLove What is archive?
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Loqi archive in the context of the indieweb refers to date-grouped (often monthly) sets of posts (AKA personal historical archives, a common form of navigation), but can sometimes mean archival copy, a copy of a web page made (often by someone other than the author) at a particular point in time https://indieweb.org/archive
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@fhsales Will the #IndieWeb movement help people control their own web presence? Let's take a closer look. https://www.futurehosting.com/blog/the-indieweb-movement-will-help-people-control-their-own-web-presence/ (twitter.com/_/status/874708341917921280)
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "The IndieWeb Movement Will Help People Control Their Own Web Presence?" https://www.futurehosting.com/blog/the-indieweb-movement-will-help-people-control-their-own-web-presence/ (from https://aaronparecki.com/2017/06/13/7/)
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tantek wow that's a good article
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tantek "the key difference is that where earlier attempts wanted to move people away from their familiar social networks — which is obviously doomed to failure — the IndieWeb And POSSE are attempting to integrate personal domains with existing networks — personal domains are primary but the Indie Web doesn’t ignore reality."
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snarfed aaronpk++ for the IWS update/email
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Loqi aaronpk has 511 karma in this channel (1347 overall)
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Zegnat tantek, that quote makes me wonder if we should spent some more time talking POSSE and even PESOS more than we do. Our more recent focus on IndieWeb tech like webmentions might be a selling point for people in tech but not outside.
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tantek Zegnat, I typically talk POSSE more to outsiders already
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tantek focus on Webmentions here in the channel etc. is fine for inside the community
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Zegnat Yes, it might be more a case of the wiki being our entire website, and the wiki follows what is happening inside the community a lot.
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aaronpk snarfed: oh good glad you got it :)
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tantek Zegnat, the wiki, especially starting from the home page, focuses more on POSSE than Webmention
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tantek e.g. in Getting Started, even in IndieMark
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sknebel Zegnat: even among techies, the "making tools that work with what people already uses" often resonates, so yes, it is good to include
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@albertinerxtfor The IndieWeb Movement Will Help People Control Their Own Web Presence? https://www.futurehosting.com/blog/the-indieweb-movement-will-help-people-control-their-own-web-presence/ (twitter.com/_/status/874718771298095106)
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Zegnat Maybe it’s my own tech bubble filtering things for me. I don’t know. I haven’t often felt the big push on POSSE. Even a IndieWeb-friendly tool like Known makes POSSE a hurdle.
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tantek Zegnat, agreed that tools should make POSSE setup VERY easy
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Zegnat Want to POSSE notes to Twitter with Known? Grab the Twitter plugin from GitHub, FTP to your server, tick boxes, get a Twitter API key, put the API key in your Known, do some authorisation stuff, and then it still ended up not working for me.
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tantek wow seriously?
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tantek how hard is it with WordPress?
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aaronpk this is why bridgy publish and silo.pub are so useful
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tantek so *potentially* useful
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tantek unless you can point to docs that show how to setup Known or WordPress with Bridgy / Silo.pub without having to ftp anything
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Zegnat I have never tried WordPress. I was testing syndication in Known’s micropub flow for jeremycherfas last HWC, that’s when I ran through the Twitter flow.
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aaronpk i didn't say useful for wordpress ;-) but i use them because it was easier than fiddling with api keys myself
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tantek Zegnat, document it on /Known#Issues
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aaronpk speaking of wordpress... https://indieweb.org/rsvp#How_to_RSVP_with_WordPress
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tantek that's a big enough deal to deserve explicit wiki documentation
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aaronpk is that still accurate?
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tantek aaronpk - note the date of last update to that section by GWG
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Zegnat Can’t be sure I didn’t make a mistake somewhere tantek. Maybe I’ll run through setting up Known from scratch some time this week and document my steps.
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aaronpk wonders what happens when someone copies the HTML example on that page into a wordpress page that already has class="hentry"
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tantek Zegnat document it on the wiki, then open a issue on Known "Setting up Known to POSSE is too damn hard"
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Loqi http://meme.loqi.me/m/4oqmnfcS.jpg
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tantek Loqi, your meme parser needs to stop at quotes
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aaronpk start at quotes
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tantek aaronpk, depending on how Loqi is finding the phrase
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tantek once it finds it, presumably it should only go before/after the phrase until it hits a quote
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aaronpk https://github.com/aaronpk/Meme-API/blob/master/api/memes.json#L28
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Zegnat So... something like this? ((?:^|").+) (is too damn .+[!\\.]?(?:$|"))
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Zegnat Hmm, no, that probably wouldn’t do for the start part
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aaronpk not quite http://rubular.com/r/XOgyn8bF8s
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snarfed re using bridgy (publish) w/o ftp, the low tech way actually works ok. just add <a href="https://brid.gy/publish/twitter"></a> to a post, then use bridgy's web ui. no plugins etc needed.
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snarfed https://brid.gy/about#webmentions
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snarfed (in pretty much any CMS)
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aaronpk as long as it has good microformats
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snarfed wp ships with mf1 by default, which is ok. not great but ok
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tantek snarfed, nowhere is that documented as in what steps to take for Known (like what else to click in the UI etc.)
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tantek so on its own, it's hard for anyone "new" to figure where to add that step in their publishing flow
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tantek it's not obvious
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snarfed https://brid.gy/about#webmentions is a start on at least CMS-independent documentation.
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snarfed CMS
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Zegnat Hmm. It might be worth doing a Bridgy Publish Known plugin to add those few tags then. That might be an interesting little project if someone doesn’t have anything for IWS yet
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snarfed er: ...and yes, CMS-dependent is obviously better. i don't know Known but i figured it sent webmentions out of the box...? in which case literally just sign up for bridgy, add that <a> tag (as documented in that bridgy doc link), and done.
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gRegorLove Surprised Twitter for Known plugin isn't distributed with core
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tantek snarfed, I think Zegnat is pointing out that it is not that simple, from his personal experience in trying to walk someone through it in-person at IWC in Germany
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tantek I expect we'll learn from Zegnat's write-up
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Zegnat I don’t know tantek, I didn’t do Bridgy
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Zegnat I tried to set-up the Known Twitter plugin
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snarfed right. zegnat's complaint was for known native POSSE.
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tantek gRegorLove: agreed, POSSE should be part of any "core" IndieWeb setup
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Zegnat gRegorLove, I was surprised too. And I couldn’t instantly find a good plugin repo on their website either, so ended up having to grab the plugin from the GitHub repo
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tantek Zegnat, feel free to also ask in #knownchat how people there are doing it
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Zegnat Might have missed it though. Remember I was actually debugging an issue jeremycherfas was having, not setting up Known for the sake of setting it up
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gRegorLove Hmm, and Twitter for Known isn't even on http://docs.withknown.com/en/latest/plugins/community/
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Zegnat I should have time at the end of the week to do some small project things, I might give Known another shot and try to do a proper set-up
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Zegnat It is not a “community” plugin, gRegorLove
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Zegnat https://github.com/idno/Twitter
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Loqi [idno] Twitter: Twitter plugin for Known
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gRegorLove Or http://docs.withknown.com/en/latest/plugins/project/. Guessing the docs are a bit behind in many places.
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Zegnat Putting this here because I like Maciej, wonder if IndieWeb can do anything for TechSolidarity: https://techsolidarity.org/events/nyc_june_15.html
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gRegorLove What is TechSolidarity?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "TechSolidarity" yet. Would you like to create it?
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[jesse] Hey all! Just found out about this Slack, figured I'd check it out and see what's going on. Looking forward to meeting some of you at the Indie Web Summit in Portland (where I'm currently living) next week!
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tantek welcome [jesse] !
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gRegorLove Hiya [jesse], welcome.
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Anchakor is it true that even if a service uses indieauth, it can force you to login using facebook because it's indieauth service doesn't support anything else?
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sknebel Anchakor: if it actually uses IndieAuth, there is no "its indieauth service" – if your site announces an indieauth authorization endpoint, then it'll talk to that. It might have a fallback for the case that your site doesn't do that (which often is IndieAuth.com), and that fallback could only support facebook
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sknebel there is a lot of confusion with the names of things there... Indieauth (the protocol) vs Indieauth.com (the service) vs RelMeAuth (the protocol where a service (like IndieAuth.com) goes to your homepage and checks for rel=me links)
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gRegorLove Is there a specific service you're referring to, Anchakor?
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Anchakor nothing specific, I'm just thinking about the consequences of how indieauth works and how closed services might adopt it "on the paper" without really following the spirit of it
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Anchakor sknebel: isn't it that the service, not the user and his domain/webserver determine which auth method is actually used for the auth itself?
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sknebel no
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sknebel not if it does the IndieAuth protocol
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Anchakor is the protocol defined somewhere, preferably using the standard MUST, SHOULD terms?
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tantek what is the IndieAuth protocol
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Loqi IndieAuth for login is a user flow and protocol for web applications to implement user login via an authorization server https://indieweb.org/indieauth_protocol
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tantek Anchakor: ^^^
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sknebel and https://indieweb.org/authorization-endpoint
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tantek as that conversation may get very technical / developer specific quickly, that's probably better for #indieweb-dev
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tantek for users, the short answer is, you choose your auth service by specifying it on your site
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tantek *can choose
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Anchakor ok, would be nice if this was more visible on the indieauth site, ideally eventually there was a RFC/W3C-style doc even if not RFC/W3C rec itself
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sknebel Anchakor: that's in the works, indieauth-the-protocol vs indieauth.com-the-service gets easily confused
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sknebel so afaik aaronpk plans to rename indieauth.com to something else to resolve that, and has been working on better docs
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Anchakor if the user is in control of what auth endpoint is used, it raises some security points, as users might use some outdated/broken auth method
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Anchakor sknebel: nice
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aaronpk ?
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@MissEvlyn The IndieWeb Movement Will Help People Control Their Own Web Presence? https://www.futurehosting.com/blog/the-indieweb-movement-will-help-people-control-their-own-web-presence/ (twitter.com/_/status/874732609150078977)
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@RachelGillevet The IndieWeb Movement Will Help People Control Their Own Web Presence? https://www.futurehosting.com/blog/the-indieweb-movement-will-help-people-control-their-own-web-presence/ (twitter.com/_/status/874739183583203329)
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aaronpk I think we'll be able to have a super solid remote participation setup this year thanks to Mozilla!
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aaronpk I just got the rundown of their system in PDX
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Zegnat Did you still want to do a test run at some point under the week leading up to IWS?
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aaronpk Won't really be able to since it requires physical access here
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aaronpk but I essentially did that just now
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aaronpk Also I'll be in Amsterdam next week til Wednesday :-)
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Zegnat Oh, you should ping sebsel!
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aaronpk yes!
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@eli_oat ? Liked: https://francescoboffa.com/trying-this-indieweb-thing https://eli.li/entry.php?id=20170613222521 (twitter.com/_/status/874757481603444737)
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@eli_oat ? Liked: https://www.futurehosting.com/blog/the-indieweb-movement-will-help-people-control-their-own-web-presence/ https://eli.li/entry.php?id=20170613223629 (twitter.com/_/status/874757485667770372)
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Comment on Introducing AltPlatform & our manifesto for the Open Web | AltPlatform by Chris Aldrich" by Chris Aldrich on 2017-06-13 http://boffosocko.com/2017/05/31/introducing-altplatform-our-manifesto-for-the-open-web-altplatform/#comment-34921
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "? Feed reader revolution: it’s time to embrace open & disrupt social media" http://altplatform.org/2017/06/09/feed-reader-revolution/ (from http://boffosocko.com/2017/06/09/%f0%9f%94%96-feed-reader-revolution-its-time-to-embrace-open-disrupt-social-media/)
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Comment on About Chris Aldrich by Terry Bossomaier" by Terry Bossomaier on 2017-06-13 http://boffosocko.com/about/#comment-34922
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GWG Evening
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Loqi GWG: tantek left you a message 8 hours, 42 minutes ago: delayed reply. Everytime you ship an update that users can (semi)automatically go get, or go install, it is worth blogging about. E.g. "Post Kinds Plugin now supports Indie RSVPs!"
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Loqi GWG: tantek left you a message 8 hours, 41 minutes ago: and that's the meaning of "supports" we should use - when it actually ships in a way that a user can easily update to it or install. If it requires sftp/scp, it has not "shipped", it is in "development preview" or some such at best
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