#indieweb 2017-06-14

2017-06-14 UTC
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Loqi [superfeedr] "? The IndieWeb Movement Will Help People Control Their Own Web Presence? | Future Hosting" by Chris Aldrich on 2017-06-13 http://boffosocko.com/2017/06/13/the-indieweb-movement-will-help-people-control-their-own-web-presence-future-hosting/
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@Simple_VPS https://twitter.com/FullContentRSS/status/851253508523270144/photo/1 AUTOMATED website traffic generator http://traffic.fullcontentrss.com #jobs | Blog SEO | The IndieWeb Movement Will Help … (twitter.com/_/status/874835606462976001)
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@jimpick I suck at IndieRSVP, so I'm going to the IndieWeb Summit in Portland twice... https://2017.indieweb.org/ (twitter.com/_/status/874858554074726400)
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tantek aww
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petermolnar_ re tantek Zegnat WordPress has a plugin called Keyring which makes using oauth with it fairly easy; there's also a pretty decent PESOS plugin built on it, called "Keyring Social Importers", but these are definitely not for beginners as they all require a custom app on the silos. There are others, which doesn't, eg. the Jetpack addon (see http://indieweb.org/WordPress/Plugins#POSSE_Plugins ) but those tend to have less control.
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@gRegorLove @jimpick Twice the #indieweb fun! (twitter.com/_/status/874871030833188865)
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tantek !tell jimpick gregorlove do we need some indieweb doublemint gum?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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gRegorLove !tell aaronpk I think this PR will make more avatars show up on 2017.indieweb.org https://github.com/indieweb/2017.indieweb.org/pull/1
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi [AndrewKvalheim] #1 Use the recommended algorithm for computing Gravatar hashes.
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gRegorLove Poking through the IWS attendee sites
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gRegorLove The community manager at micro.blog is coming. Cool! https://micro.blog/macgenie
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tantek great!
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tantek goes to manually update his home page "upcoming events" box
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Zegnat Good morning IndieWeb
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strugee tantek: fyi, you seem to be going to IWS 2017 twice ;)
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strugee you're listed >1 time on https://2017.indieweb.org/
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Loqi IndieWeb Summit
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strugee and I, meanwhile, have forgotten to update my h-card with a photo. *sigh*
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tantek strugee, yes I have a habit of breaking things :)
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tantek I posted a second RSVP (note each one links to a different permalink)
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strugee yeah, I saw :D
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tantek I figured I should try it and see what happens :D
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strugee hahahahahaha
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Loqi ahahahaha
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strugee goes to get some sleep before the SocialCG telecon tomorrow ;)
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Zegnat tantek, I should follow in your footsteps. Lets see what happens when I submit rsvp="remote yes". I guess nothing, but a good test.
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Zegnat Oh, never mind, I can’t RSVP to 2017.indieweb.org
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Zegnat I think aaronpk uses his public XRay endpoint for 2017.indieweb.org, and that one can’t parse my website
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sebsel not anymore?
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sebsel this one seems fine https://licit.li/593fa571d6b80
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Loqi [Martijn van der Ven] I will be “hosting” another Virtual Homebrew Website Club this Wednesday from 17:30 to 19:30 (CEST) on talky.io/hwc. No harm done if nobody shows up, but I would love some company!
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sebsel see, Loqi sees it
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Zegnat I guess I should try webmention again
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sebsel yeah, and test your RSVP on https://xray.p3k.io/ itself, see if that works
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Zegnat Worked now. Huh.
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Zegnat Either way: “Thanks! Your RSVP was received, but you won't be listed on the event page because your RSVP was not "yes"”
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Zegnat tantek, looks like I can’t break the RSVP list with my remote RSVP ^^^
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sebsel what about the value `yes remote` instead of `remote yes`? or is that asking for trouble?
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sebsel or should both be handled the same way? it is yes and remote at the same time
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Zegnat We could specify to parse RSVP values as a list of keywords, so order wouldn’t matter. Much like rel or class attributes.
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sebsel it makes it more complicated to consume, though.
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sebsel the mf2 way to make it multiple values is using two .p-rsvp's, one for yes, one for remote
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sebsel but that's weird
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sebsel also, what is the addition of 'remote no'?
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sebsel that's just a no.
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sebsel so: is the distinction between 'remote yes' and 'remote maybe' important enough to make it a two-part thing?
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sebsel oh we have 'remote interested' as well, maybe?
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sebsel s/addition/added benefit
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Zegnat sebsel, I just added remote variants for all values for argument’s sake
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Zegnat remote no may not make sense, you are right! Comment on the wiki :)
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sebsel i'll add
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sebsel Having a Media Endpoint is also very useful for sending screenshots when talking through a text-only chat with a helpdesk :)
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[kevinmarks] LaTeX << http://www.kevinmarks.com/htmlversustex.html
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Loqi ok, I added "http://www.kevinmarks.com/htmlversustex.html" to the "See Also" section of /LaTeX
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Loqi HTML as TeX replacement 2015-11-06
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[shanehudson] LaTeX << https://www.overleaf.com/
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Loqi ok, I added "https://www.overleaf.com/" to the "See Also" section of /LaTeX
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Zegnat 3 hours until HWC. 3 hours until I need my new webmention endpoint to be live. Woops.
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Loqi I added a countdown scheduled for 2017-06-14 5:39pm CEST (#6020)
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Zegnat That wasn’t the purpose, but thanks, Loqi
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@ChrisAldrich @Chronotope Nice stream on journalism/publishing. Online publications can learn a lot from the #indieweb model of publishing. #ownyourdata (twitter.com/_/status/874988328466231296)
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Loqi [superfeedr] "@Chronotope Nice stream on journalism/publishing. Online publications can learn a lot from the #indieweb model of publishing. #ownyourdata" by Chris Aldrich on 2017-06-14 http://stream.boffosocko.com/2017/chronotope-nice-stream-on-journalismpublishing-online-publications-can-learn-a
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Zegnat Friendly reminder to everyone that virtual HWC will kick-off in ~10 minutes on https://talky.io/hwc !
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sebsel :o
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Zegnat Joining me, sebsel?
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sknebel Hm, I don't have enough data left to join you :/
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Loqi HWC. 3 hours until I need my new webmention endpoint to be live. Woops.
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Loqi Countdown set by Zegnat on 2017-06-14 at 2:39pm CEST
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sebsel I'm kind of mid-blogpost.
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tantek this is funny. you don't get a permalink for a FB RSVP "post" until someone likes it. then you get a notification of someone liking (or otherwise responding to your RSVP) and that links to the permalink
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tantek just goes to show that the underlying representation is one of posts with permalinks, not actions and activities
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aaronpk i can't hear anyone on talky, what's going on?
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Loqi aaronpk: gRegorLove left you a message 9 hours, 36 minutes ago: I think this PR will make more avatars show up on 2017.indieweb.org https://github.com/indieweb/2017.indieweb.org/pull/1
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tantek lol wat
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tantek checks the topic
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tantek hey if there's a live talky can whoever is running / organizing it put it in the /topic ?
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Zegnat How would I put something in the topic, tantek?
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Zegnat And yes, we are live
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tantek Zegnat, depends on the client, however usually if you start something with "/topic blah blah blah" it will put that in the topic. Preferably by copy pasting the existing topic so you don't lose that :)
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Zegnat Only people with +o should be able to do that though
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tantek o rly
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tantek wonders if bridgy is returning the FB permalink for an RSVP POSSE
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sknebel Him, joining talky from the phone really doesn't work
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sknebel (It insists on using the camera, and I think that's too much for my CPU and connection)
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Zegnat sknebel, odd that it would do that
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tantek tries the talky autocomplete in his history
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aaronpk it's linked from https://indieweb.org/events/2017-06-14-homebrew-website-club#Virtual
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tantek checks the basement for copies in triplicate
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@jkphl We got our own Homebrew Website Club Nuremberg light signals today thanks to @sfeldeu! #indieweb +@iwontsignuphere https://twitter.com/jkphl/status/875025220427448320/video/1 (twitter.com/_/status/875025220427448320)
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snarfed tantek: re bridgy publish responses, yes, always returns permalink. https://brid.gy/about#response
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tantek oh nice! I need to pay attention to that in Falcon then!
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "@-mentioning people on my blog" https://seblog.nl/2017/06/14/6/at-mentioning-people
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Loqi [superfeedr] "I'll check to see if it's the case with altplatforms' bug, but I've discovered that it's having Jetpack's commenting feature "Let readers use WordPress.com, Twitter," by Chris Aldrich on 2017-06-14 http://stream.boffosocko.com/2017/ill-check-to-see-if-its-the-case-with-altplatforms
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[barryf] At HWC London with calumryan. I'm hacking on my check-in display.
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[barryf] Now displaying person-tag via ownyourswarm: http://barryf.s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/hwc-check-in.png
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Zegnat Nice!
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Zegnat Virtual HWC is still going on, for anyone who doesn’t have a physical place to be
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aaronpk [barryf]: awesome!
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[barryf] Thanks! Works well. I just need to better handle the comment display. Nice surprise when it arrived.
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aaronpk excellent
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calumryan trying to process the full contents for my check-ins, so far just the location, lat, lon data going through
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gRegorLove Howdy, indieweb
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Zegnat petermolnar: we have a definitive time for the Leaders Summit https://indieweb.org/2017/Leaders#When
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Zegnat Hi gRegorLove
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gRegorLove On Facebook "Now you can add posts, check-ins and more to albums"
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@adactioLinks The IndieWeb Movement Will Help People Control Their Own Web Presence? https://www.futurehosting.com/blog/the-indieweb-movement-will-help-people-control-their-own-web-presence/ (twitter.com/_/status/875060829342793729)
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Loqi [superfeedr] "The IndieWeb Movement Will Help People Control Their Own Web Presence?" on 2017-06-14 https://www.futurehosting.com/blog/the-indieweb-movement-will-help-people-control-their-own-web-presence/
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Zegnat Talky.io is not friendly to capped internet. Woops.
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Zegnat I wonder if it is because you are required to receive video and not only audio.
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aaronpk yep and you're sending a stream to each person
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aaronpk instead of just one stream to a single server
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sknebel which is why I'm really annoyed you can't turn off the video
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aaronpk yeah you can only stop yourself from sending, but can't stop receiving others'
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sknebel maybe we should investigate a voice-chat only alternative
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aaronpk Mumble has been great for the w3c group meetings
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sknebel (discord? mumble?)
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sknebel oh, you use mumble there? I tried to figure that out and failed
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Zegnat Discord has been great for my Dungeons&Dragons group. But heard good things about Mumble. And for mumble we can set-up our own server?
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aaronpk it's a little confusing at first but it works super well
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sknebel (tried to figure out what the CG uses, not mumble. mumble is fine ;))
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Zegnat How are mumble’s sound controls? I like Discord for giving me separate volume sliders for each person connected.
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aaronpk i don't think there are volume controls for each person
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Zegnat Not really a must have, but it has been great to have that on Discord.
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aaronpk it hasn't been a problem with the w3c calls yet
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Zegnat aaronpk tantek should we get a separate invite to adactio for the Leaders Summit as well? Like with jkphl it would be nice to have him participate if we discuss regular HWCs.
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aaronpk yes definitely
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aaronpk jkphl said he will join us!
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Zegnat Nice!
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sknebel (for protocol, I just invited sgreger again, he might have time for remote)
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Zegnat aaronpk, can you (re)invite adactio? I added an RSVP for jkphl to the wiki.
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Zegnat doesn’t feel “high up” in the community enough to send invites to jkphl and adactio
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aaronpk sent invite
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tantek Zegnat, as an active co-organizer, you are :)
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Zegnat After I land my first speaking gig I’ll reconsider, tantek ;) I am still coming to terms with meeting my webdev heroes
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ben_thatmustbeme https://micropub.rocks/implementation-reports/servers/97/yzjaQlBdbdmPfYEYJYUc
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ben_thatmustbeme thats a lot of green :D
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tantek Zegnat hey if we can turn sebsel into Bowie, we can all be heroes :)
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ben_thatmustbeme best i can tell, thats the most complete it can be, and most complete to date
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tantek what is Splatter?
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Loqi splatter is a laravel based indieweb personal web implmentation under development by https://ben.thatmustbe.me/image/static/icon_64.jpg Ben Roberts https://indieweb.org/Splatter
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ben_thatmustbeme aaronpk: new micropub client report ^^
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aaronpk ben_thatmustbeme++
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Loqi ben_thatmustbeme has 98 karma in this channel (232 overall)
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Zegnat Hmm, Loqi doesn’t respect alt="" from the {{sparkline}} template
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sebsel !tell eli_oat Hi! :) I received bridgy webmentions for two POSSEd likes (on Twitter), but no webmention on the original, did you sent them? https://eli.li/entry.php?id=20170614180826
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Zegnat Hi eli_oat!
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eli_oat Hey there
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Loqi eli_oat: sebsel left you a message 8 minutes ago: Hi! :) I received bridgy webmentions for two POSSEd likes (on Twitter), but no webmention on the original, did you sent them? https://eli.li/entry.php?id=20170614180826
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Zegnat (Just prompting you to get you that message ;))
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eli_oat hahaha, thanks :D
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Loqi nice
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eli_oat sebsel — I bet that is because my site doesn't really actually send webmentions automatically. (ಥ﹏ಥ) I should find a solution to that. Sorry!
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eli_oat IndieWeb IRC etiquette question, if someone is online, but not voiced is it typical to use tell?
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Zegnat You just !tell if you think someone isn’t reading, I think. Guesstimate wether they are likely to react to just mentioning their name or not.
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eli_oat legit, legit
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Zegnat voiced means very little, only that they have written something here while having their name registered on /irc-people
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sknebel The voice is just showing if someone is listed on irc-people
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eli_oat ah, gotchya
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eli_oat thanks
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sebsel Ah, I didn't saw you in the list, eli_oat, I did search for you!
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sebsel Hence the !tell
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eli_oat no worries!
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sebsel But that explains! No need for me to start debugging then :)
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eli_oat I have a bad habit of leaving IRC up while away from the computer, so appreciated the tell. yes, and it is defo not an issue on your end :P
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eli_oat realizing that I may have to clean things up on my end if I want to be a good indieweb-citizen
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sebsel Oh no, it's fine. I just saw your webmention submit form and thought in that case you would send them too :)
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sebsel which is not a valid assumption ofcourse
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gRegorLove Also good to do a !tell if your IRC client shows them as "away"
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[kevinmarks] TWiG time -send me things
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ben_thatmustbeme [kevinmarks]: JF2 published
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ben_thatmustbeme jF2 Feeds basically can surplant JSON Feed but with microformats vocabulary and extensability
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ben_thatmustbeme and can bring up that websub needs implementation reports
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tantek ... to join the W3C Recommendations Webmention, Micropub, which are already supported by micro.blog
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tantek context, narrative, etc. journalists like those things.
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[kevinmarks] it's the androidy guys today
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tantek kevinmarks, re: android, here's some recent awkward points to raise re: underprivileged, security, etc. http://money.cnn.com/2017/06/07/technology/gadgets/android-iphone-security-poor-digital-divide/index.html
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tantek see how the androidy guys react to that
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sebsel Edited both my syntax and blogpost: now @someone is mentioning and +someone is tagging them. https://seblog.nl/2017/06/14/6/at-mentioning-people
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Loqi [Sebastiaan Andeweg] @-mentioning people on my blog
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tantek sebsel++ wow very cool!
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Loqi sebsel has 17 karma in this channel (22 overall)
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sebsel :)
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sebsel I like the + notation because it sort of gives the same feeling as 'with'.
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tantek sebsel - that's a really good UI insight and should be on the /person-tag page if not already
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sebsel can't find it there yet
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tantek sebsel - add yourself to the IndieWeb Examples on /person-tag :)
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tantek and note your UI there :)
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tantek (and where you got the inspiration from)
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sebsel 'Since person-tags have a specific semantic above and beyond the plain text content of a post, and frankly there's no "#" equivalent for explicit-person tags (@-mention already means, ''mention'', not tag), it makes sense to design a way of presenting person-tags that is distinct from the plain text content, and (likely) different from what is easiest to type!'
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tantek feel free to add some analysis under the screenshots in /person-tag#Swarm
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tantek oh that reminds me, I think I brainstormed #@ for person tagging
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tantek yup - #@ all over that page
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sebsel I'll add a new heading in the Plain-text section
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tantek great
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gRegorLove snarfed: Do you have a page listing event posts?
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snarfed gRegorLove: nope. https://snarfed.org/responses#rsvps , but not events
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gRegorLove snarfed: Looking for a more recent event post, if you have one newer than https://snarfed.org/2014-06-16_homebrew-website-club-at-quip on /events
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Loqi [Ryan Barrett] Homebrew Website Club at Quip
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gRegorLove Working on noting who uses top-level h-event vs nested in h-entry or something else
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snarfed gRegorLove: eh all my event html is hand-coded, so i'm not really useful for that anyway
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snarfed more recent example from ownyourcheckins is https://snarfed.org/2014-12-14_11999 , but too minimal
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Loqi [Ryan Barrett] Checked into Cirque du Soleil: Kurios with Gina Barrett. https://snarfed.org/cirque_du_soleil_kurios.jpg
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gRegorLove That's fina, actually. Demonstrates that in WordPress the h-events are nested in h-entry
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gRegorLove Which was some of the discussion in -dev
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snarfed again, no, not necessarily. that's just an artifact of me hand-authoring markup.
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gRegorLove Your theme doesn't add any microformats around posts?
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gRegorLove The h-as-article on there seems to point to that
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snarfed yes, it does, but the *h-event* is hand-authored. so it's not good precedent or example of anything.
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snarfed an mf2 event plugin could easily render it outside the post h-entry and/or e-content
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gRegorLove Certainly, but that doesn't exist yet. Just capturing today.
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snarfed eh. i'd discourage you from capturing, since that implies meaning where there really isn't any...but up to you
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snarfed s/but up to you// :P
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gRegorLove Haha
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Loqi ahahaha
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@gRegorLove @uhhyeahbret Will you be at IndieWeb Summit? https://2017.indieweb.org (twitter.com/_/status/875107923206311936)
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[kevinmarks] + is what google uses
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@HackerEvents IndieWebCamp on Saturday 04 November 10:00 @ Contentful (Germany) https://indiewebcamp.com/2017/Berlin (twitter.com/_/status/875125717557796864)
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tantek GWG, I partially implemented events in /Falcon and then got interrupted
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tantek oops wrong #
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