#indieweb 2017-07-09

2017-07-09 UTC
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Loqi [superfeedr] "(Although it begins to look like IndieWeb and beakerbrowser.com are in the beginnings of a beautiful friendship!)" by Mike Sugarbaker on 2017-07-08 http://www.gibberish.com/2017/07/08/although-it-begins-to-look-like-indieweb-and-beakerbrowsercom-are
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jeremycherfas Good morning.
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Loqi good morning!
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jeremycherfas Zegnat++ for boosting discovery of petermolnar’s article on backfilling
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Loqi zegnat has 67 karma in this channel (110 overall)
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jeremycherfas Petermolnar++ for his article on backfilling
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Loqi petermolnar has 25 karma in this channel (41 overall)
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sebsel does OwnYourGram PESOS likes?
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Zegnat Good morning IndieWeb
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sebsel good morning Zegnat :)
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sebsel just tried a fresh install of selfauth, it works great
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sknebel good morning
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sebsel selfauth++
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Loqi selfauth has 1 karma in this channel (2 overall)
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Zegnat sebsel, did you try the new branch?
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sebsel I did not. Let me try the new branch
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sketchess good morning / evening
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sketchess Indieweb++
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Loqi indieweb has 2 karma in this channel (7 overall)
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sketchess o.O only two karma points, huh, that's surprising
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sebsel aaronpk has all the karma :)
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sebsel !karma aaronpk
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Loqi aaronpk has 517 karma in this channel (1377 overall)
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sketchess Hahahaha. Everyone likes Aaron, but not the product then?! xD
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Loqi awesome
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sketchess I really start to like Indieweb. :)
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Zegnat Well, the IndieWeb is about people-first :D
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sketchess It's like a giant huge box of treats. Everyday something new is to be found.
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Zegnat jeremycherfas, were you moving your Known site?
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sketchess Yeah, but anyway.....
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jeremycherfas Zegnat: I have two sites, one that was hosted at indiehosters, while I became more comfortable with SSL, and I want to import the old site into the new site.
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sketchess Indieweb++
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sketchess :)
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sketchess interesting, one point per day?
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Zegnat jeremycherfas: understood. I just saw you posting about problems with RSS import and wondered.
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sketchess hmmm, I think I forgot yesterday....
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sketchess schmarty++
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Loqi schmarty has 14 karma in this channel (21 overall)
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sketchess is creating^^
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petermolnar aaronpk's karma is due to the fact that whatever indieweb idea you have aaron had done it 2-3years before you and has it documented
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jeremycherfas Zegnat: Yes, that’s right. The import is very broken though, and I have no idea why. I just stopped after very few posts. I may try again, but I’m worried about creating massive duplicates of the few that it does import. And there’s no easy way to clean up that I can see.
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Loqi [superfeedr] "The continuing saga of marking up status updates in @WithKnown" by Jeremy Cherfas on 2017-07-09 http://stream.jeremycherfas.net/2017/the-continuing-saga-of-marking-up-status-updates-in-withknown
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Zegnat jeremycherfas, I just read that ^^^ what do you mean by the last sentence? Adding “u-in-reply-to by hand”?
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jeremycherfas Manually, in the html
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jeremycherfas It’s a Post, not a Reply status update
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Zegnat Oh, interesting. Known sees those as two separate things?
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Zegnat From a parsing standpoint, it is fine to do the manual way you have done there. That parses as a valid reply :)
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jeremycherfas That wah chris’s point
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petermolnar jeremycherfas while it is true that I only described the high level approach, the code I used is here: https://github.com/petermolnar/nasg/blob/master/pesos.py - unfortunately I can't decouple it well enough from the rest of the static generator, so I decided not to recommend it yet
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petermolnar btw, even though it's time consuming, I higly recommend to go through all the hoarded content for anyone, sometimes you find incredible stuff you've forgotten about
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petermolnar especially in your RSS reader
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sketchess re
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sketchess catching up on log
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sketchess hmm, interesting history.... thanks for the breadcrumb petermolnar
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@schnarfed @taravancil @jalbertbowdenii The web's installed base is huge, though. It's why IndieWeb chose DNS domains and HTTP… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/884058530600280064 (twitter.com/_/status/884058530600280064)
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[jeremycherfas] Petermolnar: I wasn't criticising, just describing. Everyone would have different needs in any case.
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[miklb] good morning
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jeremycherfas Morning
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Loqi [superfeedr] "> I pray that you've known this all along, you'll forgive my "indiesplain", and that I'm not catching the subtlety of your original post. [That post" by Jeremy Cherfas on 2017-07-08 https://stream.jeremycherfas.net/2017/-i-pray-that-youve-known-this-all-along-youll
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aaronpk good morning
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jeremycherfas Hi aaronpk
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Loqi morning!
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aaronpk re https://chat.indieweb.org/2017-07-09/1499589669255000 no OwnYourGram does not, it leaves that to Bridgy
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Loqi [sebsel] does OwnYourGram PESOS likes?
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aaronpk however OwnYourSwarm does, because Swarm has a great API and bridgy doesn't support Swarm yet :)
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sebsel oh, no I meant the other way around
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sebsel PESOS, not backfeed.
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aaronpk ohhh
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sebsel If I like something on Instagram, do I get a likepost?
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sebsel I guess it's still no, but I'm interested in that :)
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aaronpk still no but that would be interesting indeed
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sebsel Because I do like stuff easier on the silo itself.
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aaronpk is there even a way on instagram to see the things you've liked?
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sebsel There is. users/self/media/liked out of my head. I looked it up after I asked.
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aaronpk i can't find anywhere in the app that shows that
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aaronpk also i can't use the actual API
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sebsel Oh, okay!
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sebsel There is a view, if you go to your profile, there is a gear-icon for a menu, and that one has an option 'Posts you like' (or something like that, I'm on Dutch)
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sebsel But I think that's a private view, no real public page-per-user
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aaronpk oh wow there it is
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sebsel I can't find the same thing on the website, so I guess it's App-only
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Zegnat jeremycherfas, just read about the clammr sitedeath on your site. That data export wrangling is atrocious!
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jeremycherfas Zegnat: I certainly will not be bothering. I tried Clammr three or four times and in the end decided it was completely useless for my purposes. Also, the duration limit on a piece was way too short.
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jeremycherfas Still waiting for really good ways to share bits of audio. I know HTML5 makes it possible, but that doesn’t mean it is easy. :)
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Zegnat what is audio?
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Loqi audio is a sound recording indieweb post that is spoken or otherwise created by the author of a site https://indieweb.org/Audio
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Zegnat Hmm, wasn’t there a micropub client for audio?
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jeremycherfas Dunno
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Zegnat There we go! https://indieweb.org/Screech
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Zegnat audio << [[Screech]], a simple app for posting audio content to your site
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Loqi ok, I added "[[Screech]], a simple app for posting audio content to your site" to the "See Also" section of /audio
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jeremycherfas Cool. I’ll take a look and see if it meets my needs.
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@ChrisAldrich #indieweb #archive #dtmh2016 https://twitter.com/LinkArchiver/status/883426532282249216?s=09 (twitter.com/_/status/884115655565422597)
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Loqi [superfeedr] "#indieweb #archive #dtmh2016 https://twitter.com/LinkArchiver/status/883426532282249216?s=09" by Chris Aldrich on 2017-07-09 http://stream.boffosocko.com/2017/indieweb-archive-dtmh2016-linkarchiverstatus883426532282249216s09
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dgold aaronpk: hi aaron - the docs for webmention.io talk about xmpp notifications - is that user-configurable, or is it only pertinent to self-hosted variant?
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@m_ott Now that's useful! #IndieWeb #archiving HT @ChrisAldrich https://twitter.com/linkarchiver/status/883426532282249216 (twitter.com/_/status/884133287823847426)
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[miklb] is there an mf2 property for the author of something you are replying to/quoting?
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sebsel u-in-reply-to > h-cite > p-author > h-card ?
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[miklb] yep, I’m seeing that now. Thanks. Looks like the one of the indieweb WP plugins marks up the author card with p-name & h-card already.
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aaronpk dgold: I don't actually run the xmpp client on webmention.io, but someone added that for their self hosted version
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dgold thanks aaron
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petermolnar an interesting thing happened today: I asked a set designer friend where here portfolio is nowadays and she told me, quite proudly, that she has her own website now
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petermolnar she's certainly gen4
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petermolnar which got me thinking: are personal site viewed as a privilege?
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Zegnat In some circles, definitely
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Zegnat Also, pride in having set-up their own websites
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Zegnat A friend of mine instantly messaged me when they had their first non-Tumblr design portfolio online
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Loqi [superfeedr] "(Although it begins to look like IndieWeb and beakerbrowser.com are in the beginnings of a beautiful friendship!)" by Mike Sugarbaker on 2017-07-08 http://gibberish.com/2017/07/08/although-it-begins-to-look-like-indieweb-and-beakerbrowsercom-are
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[eddie] I was out and about today and I had a thought... is there any kind of "bookmark" h-card concept?
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[eddie] Basically I was downtown and was checking in to swarm where I went but saw some places I wanted to "remember to visit in the future"
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[eddie] Like a "bookmark-of" but of an h-card not an h-entry?
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GWG Eddie, follow maybe or tag
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KartikPrabhu [eddie]: there is no precedent for "bookmark-of" for a h-card but that seems fine for bookmarking places and people
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[miklb] is a bookmark a “read later” or a “I read this and want to save it for reference.”
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[eddie] For me bookmark is a read later
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[eddie] But that's a valid question ?
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KartikPrabhu [miklb]: for both are bookmarks
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KartikPrabhu for me*
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[miklb] what is a bookmark?
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Loqi A bookmark (or linkblog) is a post that is primarily comprised of a URL, often title text from that URL, sometimes optional text describing, tagging, or quoting from its contents https://indieweb.org/bookmark
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[miklb] doesn’t seem to have a strong definition there either way.
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[miklb] I guess I personally wouldn’t store “read later” on my site.
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[miklb] but I do like the idea of having a “places to visit” list on my personal site ?
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[eddie] miklb: yeah, I thought it works for small one off things but could also be given tags for trips, so you could plan places for a trip
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aaronpk I've been wanting to do that as well, i have a few lists on foursquare that i use
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[eddie] I'm basically envisioning a Micropub app that would allow you to search places (maybe via Foursquare API) and bookmark an h-card similar to the OwnYourSwarm Micropub posts. In fact, that could also enable checkins outside of Swarm. So you could search and a place and either "Bookmark or Checkin". Add optional tags, etc.
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[eddie] Idk if that matches Foursquares terms or not. I'll have to investigate