#indieweb 2017-07-19

2017-07-19 UTC
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@ricmac Obviously I hope SoundCloud survives, but interesting idea: "I could roll my own #indieweb system, storing my files… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/887463170469539840 (twitter.com/_/status/887463170469539840)
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[miklb] So I made the public announcement to my Facebook friends that assume anything I post is coming from my personal site and any reactions will feed back. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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tantek what is disclosure
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Loqi A disclosure is a bit of content, typically on a home page, on an indie web site that proactively discloses some aspect about the site that the site owner wants the user to explicitly be aware of https://indieweb.org/disclosure
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tantek [miklb]: perhaps add yourself and link to your public announcement here? https://indieweb.org/disclosure#Backfeed_Examples
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[miklb] Well, this wasn’t a public announcement POSSE, just a regular FB post giving heads up.
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tantek mine wasn't either - I just put it in my "about"
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tantek any kind of announcement / heads-up counts - whether POSSEd or not
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[miklb] ok
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tantek we're still collecting examples of this to gain experience
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@treitnauer If you're in #Wellington and interested in discussing #indieweb topics or your own website, you should come along t… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/887467830282559488 (twitter.com/_/status/887467830282559488)
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tantek wow awesome!
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tantek https://twitter.com/treitnauer/status/876980277104463872
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@treitnauer Join us for the first ever Homebrew Website Club in Wellington, NZ. Discuss and work on your own website: http://reitnauer.com/updates/homebr… #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/876980277104463872)
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tantek oops URL truncation - but it worked!
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tantek redirected to https://reitnauer.com/updates/homebrew-website-club-wellington-july-5-2017/
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Loqi [treitnauer] Homebrew Website Club: July 26, 2017 in Wellington
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GWG Greetings
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Ruxton is there a way to make ownyourgram swap to https for my site?
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aaronpk you'll have to authenticate as the https version of your site. ownyourgram will see it as a new account. once you connect instagram to that one it will remove it from the previous one
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aaronpk e.g. type in https:// ... when logging in to ownyourgram
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Ruxton oh ok cool, was worried it would double up
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Ruxton aaronpk: got an "Error verifying your Instagram account!"
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Ruxton wait nevermind
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Ruxton instagram wasn't https
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aaronpk haha yeah
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Loqi nice
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aaronpk oh hey, ownyourgram just passed the 10,000 photo mark!
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Ruxton very cool
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Doing a demo of POSSE and Webmentions at the Pasadena WordPress Developer Meetup. Here are some resources for those attending: Webmention recommended spec at the W3C Webmention page at Indieweb.org Getting started with Indieweb on WordPress instructions Webmention plugin for WordPress Semantic Linkbacks plugin for WordPress Syndication Links plugin for WordPress Brid.gy Code for auto-accepting … Continue reading """ by Chris Aldrich on 2017-07-19 http://boffosocko.com/2017/07/18/demo-of-posse-and-webmentions-at-the-pasadena-wordpress-developer-meetup/
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@ChrisAldrich Doing a demo of POSSE and Webmentions at the Pasadena WordPress Developer Meetup. #Indieweb http://boffosocko.com/2017/07/18/demo-of-posse-and-webmentions-at-the-pasadena-wordpress-developer-meetup/ (twitter.com/_/status/887512192081428481)
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[miklb] This might be esoteric, but was just thinking about reply contexts and silos.
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[miklb] If I post an article or note and POSSE it to Twitter, any comment or reference to the link is considered a reply.
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[miklb] But unless someone with their own site sets the context in mf2 as a reply or bookmark, it’s just a generic webmention and generally displays differently.
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[miklb] displays differently on the original article.
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[miklb] I guess quote would be another option for mf2.
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TheGillies Any way to do micropub with a static site?
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TheGillies I guess I could build out a micropub microservice that triggered a site build
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sknebel TheGillies: that's generally how people do it. at least for jekyll there are a few around (see wiki /jekyll), I know dgold has just set up something for hugo, ...
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sknebel [miklb]: potential counter-examples: retweet with comment (shiws context, but not a reply), and if you link multiple tweets in a tweet afaik only the first or last gets a context
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aaronpk [miklb]: im not sure I see the problem? Replies on twitter are just replies. If you're talking about someone with their own site who also posses replies to twitter, then your receiving code can group the received indie reply and twitter reply because they should reference each other
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[miklb] Not saying there’s a problem. Was just reading through a post and replies on Adactio and I’m not sure he delineates where the reply is from. I assumed most were Twitter. Got me thinking out loud.
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sknebel I have no data on this, but I'd assume most people sending webmentions from their sites also mark up replies properly. But my blog posts are going to create more pure mentions just from the fact that they a) are longer and b) I can actually have proper links in there - I'll link a lot more stuff while writing them
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[miklb] But is it a reply if I write a short note about your post and link to it?
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sknebel no
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[miklb] But if I write a tweet and and link to your note, and you backfeed from Twitter, it would pick that up as a reply?
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sknebel it shouldn't unless it is a reply
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[miklb] ah, ok
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sknebel random example from my twitter feed: https://twitter.com/Nick_Craver/status/887491092626780160 I wouldn't classify this as a reply
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@Nick_Craver I LOVE YOU ALL, but admittedly my love is inversely proportional to your allocations. #DevDiscuss QT [@ThePracticalDev] In the last few minutes of #DevDiscuss, anybody want to share a personal project or make an announcement to the community? (twitter.com/_/status/887491092626780160)
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aaronpk That's why I show "mentions" separately from "replies"
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[miklb] the WP plugin differentiates mentions from replies. I don’t know why I assumed all backfed tweets would come in as a reply.
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[miklb] thanks for clarifying.
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[chrisaldrich] I just noticed an interesting new feature in the WordPress /Syndication_Links plugin: If I reply to a WP post with Known, the WP displays not only the Webmention, it also automagically displays the syndicated copy _with_ the webmention!
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[chrisaldrich] Example: http://boffosocko.com/2017/07/13/rsvp-yes-for-wordpress-pasadena-developer-meetup-july-2017-edition-crosscampus/#comment-35585
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[chrisaldrich] GWG++ for this bit of awesomeness!
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Loqi gwg has 215 karma in this channel (257 overall)
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GWG Chrisaldrich, that was why I wanted Semantic Linkbacks to store the syndication and location properties
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[chrisaldrich] I remember having seen the code and puzzled over it a bit. I'd even tweaked it to manually include a syndication link.
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[chrisaldrich] But I was honestly shocked that it pulled in the syndicated version from the other site!
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[chrisaldrich] Of course now I need to go in and tweak the CSS for it a bit now that I know it exists...
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GWG [Chrisaldrich], wait till one of your Webmentions has location.
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[chrisaldrich] I'm holding my breath until they have the temperature and the weather ?
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GWG Chrisaldrich, current or historic?
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GWG Weather for posts is a future feature.
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[chrisaldrich] I was being a bit facetious. Weather for posts is workable; doing it for webmentions is a BIT much.
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[asteres] I'm traveling, excited to check out indieweb Brighton!
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[asteres] 10c, partly cloudy, 2 mph N winds
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[jeremycherfas] !tell chrisaldrich That is very impressive on the part of Syndication Links. Known' own display of rsvps is exceedingly minimal.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[chrisaldrich] You're hilarious Asher!
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[asteres] There must be some database of weather info we can link to? I feel like it's just a combo of timedate and location
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Ruxton are post kinds supposed to be marked up u-like-of or p-like-f? wiki says u-like-of, but wordpress post kinds looks to be doing p-like-of
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sknebel both can be correct, depending on what the actual markup looks like
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sknebel but generally I'd expect an u- as well
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sknebel (since you probably want to get the URL from a link)
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Ruxton ya, I just sent a like to a known install and WP plugins is marking post up p-like-of and noticed it didn't get parsed as a like by known
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sknebel Ruxton: do you have an example URL for me to look at?
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Ruxton sknebel: the like https://ignite.digitalignition.net/2017/07/19/the-fugees-the-score/
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Loqi [Ruxton] The Fugees – The Score
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sknebel !mf2 https://ignite.digitalignition.net/2017/07/19/the-fugees-the-score/
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Kaja https://php.microformats.io/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fignite.digitalignition.net%2F2017%2F07%2F19%2Fthe-fugees-the-score%2F
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Loqi [Ruxton] The Fugees – The Score
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sknebel yeah, that should be a u-like-of
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Ruxton is there a difference in use case between u-like-of and p-like-of?
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sknebel it's microformats parsing rules. u-like-of says to take the URL of the thing (e.g. the href of an <a>, or in this case the url property of the nested h-cite microformat)
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sknebel p- means the text/name, that's why the parser output shows the title here as the "like-of"
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Ruxton the data for like of looks to have parsed ok in that link though
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Ruxton sorry just trying to understand what's happening
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sknebel yes, but the "value" is the title, and that's what known probably looks for
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sknebel if it were u-like-of, then the "value" would be the URL, and Known should recognize it
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sknebel (known also could look at the entire h-cite and check it's url, but it probably doesn't do that)
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Ruxton ok thx, got some patches to write ;P
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sl007 Hello, everybody. Zegnat : Did fixes https://github.com/sebilasse/indieweb-origami - see websub logo …
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Loqi [sebilasse] indieweb-origami: Proposals for indieweb posters, logos, CI
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jeremycherfas Good Morning Indieweb
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jeremycherfas !tell asteres Day One, the journalling app, gives you weather retrospectively for time and location.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[pfefferle] good morning
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@AaronGustafson @adamzea I floated it to @MSEdgeDev (as the fragments @indiewebcamp spec) (twitter.com/_/status/887660712948006912)
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cweiske just learned that there is a ".rip" tld, https://www.name.com/domains/rip
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petermolnar cweiske buy soundcloud.rip, just in case
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cweiske youridea.rip
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cweiske your.idea.rip
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cweiske all links will break once I get RIPped
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petermolnar your.startup.rip
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cweiske that's good.
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jeremycherfas Your.silo.rip ?
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petermolnar :D
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petermolnar silo.rip, though silo.archive would be nicer
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petermolnar Loqi can I has .warc tld?
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petermolnar what is warc?
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Loqi WARC is a web archive (Web ARChive) format designed to collect all of the resources that make up a web page into a single item that does not require any external references when opened https://indieweb.org/WARC
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sknebel what is webrecorder.io?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "webrecorder.io" yet. Would you like to create it?
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sknebel WARC << https://webrecorder.io
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Loqi ok, I added "https://webrecorder.io" to the "See Also" section of /WARC
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schmarty good morning, IndieWeb!
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eli_oat ?
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@schnarfed @aboodman eh. decentralized web is kind of like web 2.0, very broad and vague. can still include HTTP, eg https://indieweb.org/. (twitter.com/_/status/887671974704496640)
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[kevinmarks] I did have xmlrip.com
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[kevinmarks] I let it lapse
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petermolnar [kevinmarks] if you're a long time investor, consider json.rip ;)
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petermolnar oh, I missed this 5 days ago, did we already discuss it? https://twitter.com/Dieulot/status/885908162917916673
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@Dieulot @gruber “Medium is supposed to be good” ??? They’re testing this right now. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DEtfusFXUAE486V.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/885908162917916673)
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schmarty ?‍♂️
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[eddie] Anyone do homepage replies on their site and then POSSE it as a tweet with the user’s @name? I experimented with bridgy, but it did things differently (https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/760) I was wondering if this is a real use case that anyone has done?
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Loqi [EdwardHinkle] #760 Replying to a user's homepage creates a tweet to one of their recent tweets?
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[eddie] I think the primary use is for fallback. Since homepage webmentions aren’t supported super-widely the thought was that if someone doesn’t have homepage webmentions at least they might get the tweet. Seems like similar behavior and intention, I think?
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snarfed yup
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[eddie] Cool, wanted to make sure my brain was working properly ?
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GWG I don't do much with homepage mentions
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GWG Maybe I should
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GWG I am storing them
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TheGillies Just spun up a server so I could have a micropub backend. You guys are a bad influence on me
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[eddie] The Gillies: It happens to the best of us ?
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snarfed [eddie]: tldr, you probably just want to mention grant.codes, not actually reply to it. homepage mentions, not replies, are the equivalent to twitter @-mentions
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snarfed (replying to a home page is unusual and rarely used in indieweb, if ever. not sure what it would mean. :P)
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sknebel snarfed: especially with private webmention (where you don't want to mention everything in your post) we've been using it to start conversations
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snarfed sknebel: huh. so your CMS(es) have special code for private pages that only sends wms for class="u-in-reply-to"? interesting. wikified anywhere?
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sknebel snarfed: apparently not, will add it later
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sknebel but generalized, it could be mention is just a mention (talking about someone, if in private I don't want to notify you of that/give you access to the private conversation), in-reply-to as an explicit "hey, I'm talking to you"
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snarfed oh sure! just hadn't heard of it before. and it is an unfortunate overloading of in-reply-to, which doesn't actually mean that, and it'll make services like bridgy interpret and use it badly
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[eddie] snarfed: Ohhh, mention. That makes sense. Mentions don’t require any specific mf2 markup, do they?
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[eddie] I know person-tags have u-category
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sknebel yeah, for private webmentions that wasn't really a concern for now and we didn't feel like making up a special case, but now we have a clear example of something weird happening, so worth looking into it
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sknebel [eddie]: yeah, mention is just a link with a property
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sknebel ehh
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sknebel with*out*
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GWG snarfed, does bridgy send location?
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snarfed GWG: search the docs :P
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snarfed https://brid.gy/about#location
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GWG I have that though
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GWG Better do some tests again. Maybe I am mismarking
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dixongexpat so Quill and OwnYourGram are posting to my site, the attached photos are copied, but the site is returning a location header error, and "The file could not be moved" - not sure what I need to fix here
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dixongexpat Site is using default blog on Kirby CMS
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aaronpk sounds like maybe a file permissions error?
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dixongexpat @aaronpk I tried to redo file permissions and ended up borking my site for awhile LOL
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aaronpk uhoh
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dixongexpat The site creates a folder, inserts a file, inserts the image.
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dixongexpat So I can see no missing files
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dixongexpat in the Kirby panel, I can see the image and the article text
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dixongexpat and it is properly dated and shows up on the timelin
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aaronpk searching that error, it looks like that's returned when kirby tries to copy the file and it fails
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aaronpk https://github.com/bastianallgeier/kirbycms-panel/blob/d545a8c845f77c82ef234cd7284da2d910877c3e/lib/upload.php#L64
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aaronpk which is why i'm thinking it's some sort of file permissions error on the server
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dixongexpat the last line of the error is this: {"error":"error","error_description":"The file could not be moved"}
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dixongexpat that's from quill
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aaronpk yeah quill is showing you what the micropub endpoint returned
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dixongexpat screenshot here https://www.screencast.com/t/yOnZXOALG8
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dixongexpat now that you mention it, the new posts are coming in as pi:pi instead of pi:www-data
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tantek !tell sebsel do you link to your privacy page from your home page or footer or someplace else obviously discoverable? if so could you note that detail re: https://indieweb.org/disclosure#Sebastiaan_Andeweg
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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@kevinmarks do I go to /signin to log in or to /login to sign in? #indieweb https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/887704951241265152/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/887704951241265152)
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tantek KevinMarks heh. probably worth documenting some screenshots!
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tantek what is log in?
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[kevinmarks] log is such a weird word in this context
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tantek is it legacy from signing a log at a hotel etc.?
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tantek "log in" ends in a preposition so Loqi ignores it
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tantek like this too:
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tantek what is sign in?
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[chrisaldrich] !tell Ruxton I'm running the current WP pieces including Post Kinds (like you), and didn't see the same like/mention problem. http://boffosocko.com/2017/07/19/like-fugees-the-score/ perhaps it's because your URL appended #comments?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi [Chris Aldrich] Like Fugees | The Score http://1.gravatar.com/avatar/d5fb4e498fe609cc29b04e5b7ad688c4?s=42&d=mm&r=pg
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@johnjohnston IndieWeb — WordPress Plugis latest update works now on my blog, which is not at top level of domain:-) https://wordpress.org/plugins/indieweb/ (twitter.com/_/status/887717578147323908)
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@m_ott @LucaSalvini @btconf && strolling around with @fredericmarx and the #IndieWeb crew ;) ? (twitter.com/_/status/887724817054617602)
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sebsel Is dixongexpat still around? I believe not. But I made that Micropub plugin and I have the same error from time to time. It's really weird, using the Media Endpoint works 50/50. I will investigate it some more myself too.
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Loqi sebsel: tantek left you a message 4 hours, 30 minutes ago: do you link to your privacy page from your home page or footer or someplace else obviously discoverable? if so could you note that detail re: https://indieweb.org/disclosure#Sebastiaan_Andeweg
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sebsel I link in the footer of every page!
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aaronpk what is a playlist?
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Loqi A playlist represents a collection of audio or video of some significance to the list's creator https://indieweb.org/playlist
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