#indieweb 2017-07-20

2017-07-20 UTC
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tantek whoa FB just updated their fb.com/events desktop web UI
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tantek mini facepiles for RSVPs with round face icons!
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tantek quite a major update actually
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tantek what is an events stream
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Loqi An events listing is a page or portion of a page (like on a homepage) of an indieweb site that shows a list of events, including some subset of the site's own event, invitation, and RSVP posts, displayed as a list or grid of some sort https://indieweb.org/events-stream
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tantek what is upcoming events
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "upcoming events" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek tl;dr new "boxes" for "Upcoming Events", "Trending This Week", "Popular With Friends", "Recently Announced", "Looking Ahead", and then a stream of friends's RSVP posts!
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tantek stream of friends's RSVP posts (aggregated by event!) + event creation posts (from friends and pages liked)
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Ruxton chrisaldrich: cheers, it was the #comments anchor on the url as you suggested
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Loqi Ruxton: [chrisaldrich] left you a message 9 hours, 3 minutes ago: I'm running the current WP pieces including Post Kinds (like you), and didn't see the same like/mention problem. http://boffosocko.com/2017/07/19/like-fugees-the-score/ perhaps it's because your URL appended #comments?
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[kevinmarks] Boo for round faces
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Ruxton prefer squares?
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[kevinmarks] Especially when the pictures were cropped square to begin with. I have done a round faces UI before, but at least we started that way
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[kevinmarks] It's more foolish on twitter where a lot of "faces" are actually logos, but it is also constraining on fb
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KartikPrabhu I use rounded avatars since it fits my site design
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@DreamHost Attention, PDX dwellers! If you want to connect with your local #WordPress community, check out @indiewebcamp. https://indieweb.org/Homebrew_Website_Club (twitter.com/_/status/887856849680297984)
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@kevinmarks @starsandrobots Well, http://indieweb.org has been called the SCA of website making (twitter.com/_/status/887862762810036224)
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@priya_somani_ Attention, PDX dwellers! If you want to connect with your local #WordPress community, check out indiewebcamp. https://indieweb.org/Homebrew_Website_Club (twitter.com/_/status/887863466974990336)
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Loqi [indienews] New post: https://aaronparecki.com/2017/07/19/24/webmention-io
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TheGillies Micropub spec says "If a post was successfully created, the endpoint must return an HTTP 201 response with a Location header that points to the URL of the post."
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TheGillies my posts are generated asynchronously
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TheGillies there is no post until I manually build site. micropub endpoint just builds a template for me
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TheGillies I guess I can just redirect to /
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aaronpk You can return 202 "accepted"
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aaronpk you won't know the URL until after it's generated?
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TheGillies I know what the url will be but there isn't anything there yet
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TheGillies so doesn't really make sense to send a Location header to the post
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aaronpk Cool you should definitely return the URL with 202 then
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TheGillies quill expects a Location header
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TheGillies is that only for non 202?
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aaronpk 202 allows a location header too
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TheGillies oh you mean 202 && location header
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aaronpk yea
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@sl007 @LucaSalvini @btconf Oh, sorry - didn't know. An alternative : If you are there the weekend before https://indieweb.org/2017/Berlin ;)) (twitter.com/_/status/887899786178961408)
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TheGillies http://kodo.fairuse.org/2017/07/20/quill-test.html
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TheGillies woo jekyll post created by quill
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TheGillies woo works from my phone too http://kodo.fairuse.org/2017/07/20/mobile-test.html
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Zegnat Good morning IndieWeb!
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sl007 Good morning everyone and Zegnat. FYI: IANA responded regarding https - it's not in their responsibility but it was one reason why they made a sucessor to WHOIS and they recommend to use https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Registration_Data_Access_Protocol // https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7482
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sl007 Zegnat Tried to make fixes to the posters. Thanks for much wiki edits !
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Zegnat Oh interesting, did not know RDAP.
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sl007 Same here ;)
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Zegnat sl007 did you update the PDF-only branch, I’ll take another look!
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sl007 No, sorry. Replied to your issues with the direct pdf links to master. That is probably 2MB more at all. Tell me if I should send a prepaid 3G card. Not kidding.
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sl007 We need https://x.company/loon/ for sweden ….
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@sl007 @billbennettnz Wish you could attend https://indieweb.org/2017/Dortmund - unfortunately even more far away, btw: did https://plus.google.com/photos/108751138108005469822/albums/5645950566035223041/5677190969595020770 in PNG ... (twitter.com/_/status/887917341169901572)
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TheGillies hrm quill looks like it doesn't even make a post if image size > some size
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sl007 btw : Can we tell the salesforce guys to rename https://quilljs.com ?
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sl007 TheGillies What is your php.ini saying https://stackoverflow.com/questions/6135427/increasing-the-maximum-post-size
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Zegnat I am already on 3G most of the time, sl007, so I don’t think a prepaid card makes much of a difference ;) I’ll grab the PDFs manually, no problem
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TheGillies they made us take office pictures: http://kodo.fairuse.org/2017/07/20/corporate.html
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TheGillies sl007: I mean quill isn't even sending the request
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Ruxton wow so corporate
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Ruxton blue suit and all
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sl007 TheGilles - is it about the posted 941KB Communion pic (kidding, very reputable pic.) or how big is it?
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TheGillies sl007: 4 megs
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TheGillies communion pic?
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sl007 There is maybe no english term. Especially photojournalist friends use it for pictures which are not meant to be true/unique but to represent "so corporate" ;)
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TheGillies what language is the original term in?
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TheGillies googling communion pic i just get images of chistianity heh
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Zegnat That would be my first thought at reading communion too
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TheGillies mi parolas esperanton sed neniu alia lingvo
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Ruxton I'm gonna guess that slang of "communion" is just tied to the idea that people are rarely being true or unique in communion photos
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Zegnat wouldn’t actually know a communion photo from any other photo
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Ruxton People tend to get pretty polished up to afirm with their lord
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Zegnat TheGillies, if you have a second, can you comment on whether I understood pronouns in Esperanto right? http://wiki.zegnat.net/microformats/pronoun (Scroll down to “What happened to the different forms?”)
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Zegnat Ruxton, he, I might save that as a quote!
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sl007 TheGillies - btw : my language module I am working on also detects Esperanto - for your sentence see https://gist.github.com/sebilasse/a682ee16d8610c10c4afdea4b1a52b28 ;)
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sl007 Zegnat - wondering if I could use MF for my nlp module I am working on, see POS word tags in https://github.com/redaktor/nlp README
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Loqi [redaktor] nlp: NLP in pure JS - a toolkit for your i18n JS project
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Zegnat How would you want to use mf there, sl007? Mark-up word forms in HTML?
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TheGillies Zegnat: there is also "lia" which is "his"
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Zegnat Is that actually part of the pronoun or a grammatical rule? When I read about it, it seemed like a suffix rule. From my page:
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Zegnat “There is no real possessive pronoun, instead any pronoun can be made possessive with the suffix -a or -aj.”
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TheGillies ah yeah just read that
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TheGillies it's actually converting the pronoun into an adjective
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TheGillies all -a words in esperanto are adjectives
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Zegnat I guess you could define possessive as ["lia", "liaj"]? Mostly this sort of thing is one of the reasons why I took specifying forms out of my pronoun implementation. It gets messy real fast with non-english languages
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TheGillies > Is that actually part of the pronoun or a grammatical rule?
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TheGillies both
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TheGillies like -eg- is a grammatical rule, but bela is pretty and belega is beautiful
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sl007 Zegnat Yes, mark-up word forms in HTML - that could be incredible useful for writers but also for machine translation
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Zegnat TheGillies, ah, mmm. I might remove the Esperanto example then
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sl007 Zegnat - A simple reference would be http://www.hemingwayapp.com
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Zegnat sl007 I wouldn’t use microformats for that, no. Microformats are still based on having a root object with properties. If you make every sentence an object is becomes near impossible to mix it with other microformats. Example: I can have the u-in-reply-to property of the h-entry anywhere in my comment, if you then wrap every sentence in an h-sentenc
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Zegnat e object suddenly the u-in-reply-to will become a property of h-sentence instead of h-entry.
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TheGillies what does the h stand for anyway?
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TheGillies html?
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Zegnat I seem to recall tantek telling me it was HTML, yes, but can’t find a source for that right this moment
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Zegnat as in hCard is vCard-in-html
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Zegnat And then that h was carried over into microformats2 as the prefix for the root objects
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[pfefferle] good morning
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Loqi *yawn*
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Zegnat Good morning [pfefferle]
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@seometadaten Attention, PDX dwellers! If you want to connect with your local #WordPress community, check out @indiewebcamp. https://indieweb.org/Homebrew_Website_Club (twitter.com/_/status/887934119354580992)
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sl007 Zegnat I see. Good morning [pfefferle] . There was a "h-news" brainstorming page but I can't find it anymore. Could be a good session for Dortmund IWC.
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sl007 There is a strong need for some text structuration (for me). Want to identify at least what is "Headline", "Lead", "Byline", "Kicker" and "Body"/"Running"
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[kevinmarks] http://microformats.org/wiki/hnews was the previous version
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Loqi hNews 0.1
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[kevinmarks] By byline do you mean author or the dateline?
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TheGillies i thought byline was the author
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sl007 [kevinmarks] Yes, byline is basically the author but often in context with the position in this particular assignment or relation - e.g. Carsten Stormer, NYT contributor
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sl007 But the byline could also read : "A Text by Alexander Osang with photos by Sebastian Lasse" (just a wish) or "A crowdsourced research by Correctiv"
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Zegnat I think position might be able to be included as a title in the author h-card? Maybe?
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Zegnat Well, I am off, international food market to visit
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Zegnat will be back when I am stuffed
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sl007 TheGillies Regarding Quill and ImageSize : You should open an issue : https://github.com/aaronpk/Quill/issues
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sl007 Helo tantek - a h-news brainstorming session would be nice for Dortmund. Would have a strong need for some more text structuration: Want to identify at least what is "Headline", "Lead", "Byline", "Kicker" and "Body"/"Running" where byline is often different from author. How do you think?
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@sl007 @klischka via indieweb chat - fun fact - Enter "why we should own our data" in google - Did you mean ... ;) (twitter.com/_/status/887951815668617216)
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jeremycherfas Good Morning Indieweb
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petermolnar morning
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@sl007 Nach der #scicar17 ist übrigens auch https://indieweb.org/2017/Dortmund ? beim #campfire17 - @scicar17ff kommt bei uns bei ... https://twitter.com/scicar17ff/status/887567937229291520 (twitter.com/_/status/887992931918991360)
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sl007 aaronpk Zegnat - fyi While IA Poster is english, added a folder with extracted texts from indieauth.com including german translations https://github.com/sebilasse/indieweb-origami
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Loqi [sebilasse] indieweb-origami: Proposals for indieweb posters, logos, CI
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sl007 btw also got an ICU version ( https://github.com/dojo/i18n#icu-message-formatting )
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Loqi [dojo] i18n: :rocket: Dojo 2 - internationalization library.
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tantek !tell sl007 what is the use-case for bringing back h-news? What consuming use-cases are there for all those properties?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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petermolnar !tell cweiske the screenshot url is broken here: https://github.com/cweiske/tt-rss-micropub
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi [cweiske] tt-rss-micropub: Micropub plugin for TinyTinyRSS reader
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prtksxna tantek: Does post-type-discovery have a logo?
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tantek no - and I have no idea what to start with
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prtksxna tantek: I was thinking of something like - https://github.com/twozeroone/post-type-discovery/issues/2 - with a few icons where NSWE would be.
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Loqi [prtksxna] #2 Add logo
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Zegnat Woops, my server disconnected?!
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prtksxna tantek: icons of post types, that is.
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prtksxna tantek: I'd continue fine tuning this, if you think this path (SVG and otherwise :P) makes sense
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@sl007 @glennjones cool. Btw: https://indieweb.org/2017/Dortmund ? CAMPFIRE - Festival for journalism (twitter.com/_/status/888049891867598848)
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aaronpk btw tantek did you see my update last night? https://aaronparecki.com/2017/07/19/24/webmention-io
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Loqi [Aaron Parecki] The https://webmention.io dashboard just got a whole lot more useful! You can now see the last few dozen webmentions you've received, and delete them if you want! This is the first step towards a "block" feature in webmention.io: https://indieweb.org... https://aaronparecki.com/2017/07/19/24/photo.png
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tantek prtksxna: I think anything "compass" like could be confused with Safari
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aaronpk heh https://compass.p3k.ioi
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aaronpk er, https://compass.p3k.io
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prtksxna tantek: Hm, they are in different domains though.
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prtksxna But I see your point.
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tantek prtksxna: I appreciate your brainstorming!
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prtksxna kensanata on #bitlbee (oftc) is working on a mastodon plugin for bitlbee :D
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prtksxna How exciting :) Worlds colliding.
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Zegnat prtksxna in the end, everything must be bridged to IRC https://xkcd.com/1782/
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Loqi [XKCD] Team Chat https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/team_chat_2x.png
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prtksxna Zegnat: I send that to my team slack channel often :P
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snarfed heh. re https://compass.p3k.io/, just fyi aaronpk, after i log in, when i click "create database," i get [object Object] with some JS in the browser URL bar
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aaronpk that's weird
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aaronpk what browser?
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snarfed firefox 54, mac os x 10.11
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snarfed trying chrome
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snarfed works
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aaronpk fixed, thanks
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skippy https://blockstack.org/ looks ... interesting.
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Loqi [superfeedr] "The Microformats 2 WordPress plugin was causing spurious HTML tags to be visible around my name next to these posts. I’ve disabled it for now. But looking at the page to get that link, I’m realising that maybe I don’t actually need it: For all themes that do not declare support for Microformats 2, this […]" by Martin McCallion on 2017-07-20 http://devilgate.org/blog/2017/07/20/3565/
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Loqi [superfeedr] "@colinwalker Did you know that your blog’s search page for the term is the second hit on DuckDuckGo for #indieweb? Quite impressive." by Martin McCallion on 2017-07-20 http://devilgate.org/blog/2017/07/20/3567/
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sketchess Good morning Loqi.
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sketchess Good morning Indieweb.
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@ChrisAldrich @devilgate I'd noticed that too... Perhaps report the bug here: https://github.com/indieweb/wordpress-uf2 (twitter.com/_/status/888090628726419460)
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Loqi [superfeedr] "@devilgate I'd noticed that too... Perhaps report the bug here: https://github.com/indieweb/wordpress-uf2" by Chris Aldrich on 2017-07-20 http://stream.boffosocko.com/2017/devilgate-id-noticed-that-too-perhaps-report-the-bug-here
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@devilgate @colinwalker Did you know that your blog’s search page for the term is the second hit on DuckDuckGo for #indieweb? Quite impressive. (twitter.com/_/status/888091010110279682)
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tantek what
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tantek in a new private window I'm seeing it as the 4th result in duckduckgo but still
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aaronpk oh for the hashtag!
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aaronpk same
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tantek I've never seen a .blog domain so high up in search results anywhere
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tantek aaronpk: at least you're the 2nd person in the results, then benwerd, then me, Kartik, cleverdevil, chrisaldrich,
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aaronpk i'm the 6th result in my private window
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tantek yeah
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tantek I was just looking at the results with clear person authors
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aaronpk ah
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tantek that kevinmarks capture of title text vs URL text is hilarious (login vs signin)
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sketchess Why are you surprised?
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tantek because it's a pretty big oversight for such big brands (Google, Paypal) who typically pay more attention to UX details
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sketchess I wouldn't be so sure about that tantek. ;)
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tantek sketchess: I'm fairly certain of "typically" ;)
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sketchess Than you know that the web world changes fast with every day. xD
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tantek what are aspects?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "aspects" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek what is an aspect?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "aspect" yet. Would you like to create it?
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sketchess smiles
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tantek aspects are a feature of the [[Diaspora]] open source software that allow users to categorize their contacts into sets like family, friends, work, etc for the purpose of viewing from or [[private post]]ing to only a subset of your contacts.
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Loqi ok
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gRegorLove Good afternoon, indieweb
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sketchess welcome gRegorLove
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[cleverdevil] Good day, Indieweb ?
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[cleverdevil] I have returned from a glorious vacation where I opened my laptop only twice.
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sketchess cool
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GWG I have returned from 3 weeks of exile
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[cleverdevil] Haha, welcome home GWG.
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Loqi nice
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GWG [cleverdevil]: I just arrived home last night. I'm still recovering
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[cleverdevil] Does anyone know if there is a webmention implementation for Discourse?
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GWG No. Haven't played with it
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[cleverdevil] Yeah, I took a red-eye home on Monday from Hawaii and I'm recovering from that as well. I hate red-eyes ?
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[cleverdevil] What is discourse?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "discourse" yet. Would you like to create it?
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[cleverdevil] Discourse is an open source web forum and discussion platform that integrates with a wide variety of CMS's and other publishing platforms. Discourse can be found at https://www.discourse.org.
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Loqi ok
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[cleverdevil] What is discourse?
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Loqi Discourse is an open source web forum and discussion platform that integrates with a wide variety of CMS's and other publishing platforms https://indieweb.org/Discourse
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[chrisaldrich] Welcome back GWG!
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[chrisaldrich] GWG: Exile? I thought you went to a _literal_ Indieweb Summer Camp! Or at least that's what your github coding output for the past 3 weeks would indicate. ?
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[chrisaldrich] cleverdevil I just ran across /Discourse yesterday myself, but hadn't had time to delve into it yet.
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GWG Chrisaldrich, I had nothing better to do, considering when I was not working
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prtksxna I feel good after noting down all my itches. I finally wikified myself. My brain has so much space now! https://indieweb.org/User:Prtksxna.com
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GWG Indieweb Summer Camp sounds interesting
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[chrisaldrich] prtksxna++
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Loqi prtksxna has 8 karma in this channel (9 overall)
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tantek what is IndieWeb Summer Camp?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "IndieWeb Summer Camp" yet. Would you like to create it?
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[chrisaldrich] Maybe we should organize an IndieWeb Summer Camp for kids?
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[chrisaldrich] I just started a conversation with the Exec. Director of Steam Coders that works with disadvantaged youth to do something similar (but smaller in scale).
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Zegnat Discourse << https://mjtsai.com/blog/2017/05/02/javascript-free-discourse/
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Loqi ok, I added "https://mjtsai.com/blog/2017/05/02/javascript-free-discourse/" to the "See Also" section of /Discourse
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Zegnat That might help some people …
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snarfed http://altplatform.org/2017/07/20/gathering-steem-steemit/ ??
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Loqi [Richard MacManus] Gathering Steem: Steemit, a blockchain social media site
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tantek oh no snarfed not the blockchain! ?
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tantek s/Blockchain is one of the most intriguing technologies out there in 2017/Blockchain is one of the most hyped technologies out there in 2017
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tantek FIFY
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schmarty [chrisaldrich]: i bet Digital Harbor Foundation (local youth makerspace with pay-what-you-can afterschool and summer programs here in Baltimore) could help/participate with an IndieWeb Summer Camp.
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schmarty they're our venue for HWC Baltimore and they already do web development
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schmarty and they do things like: https://www.digitalharbor.org/whatwedo/projects/webslam/
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[cleverdevil] chrisaldrich yeah, we've got an internal project right now involving Discourse, and I think it'd be a really great platform to integrate into IW.
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[cleverdevil] So far, I've at least found aaronpk's Ruby webmention client, but not yet found a Ruby webmention endpoint implementation.
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@ChrisAldrich @nlafferty You may find some examples here including KQED which uses it as a group platform: https://indieweb.org/Indieweb_for_Education#Group_Teaching_Examples (twitter.com/_/status/888135943466737664)
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Loqi [superfeedr] "oEmbed" by Thomas on 2017-07-20 https://thopex.de/2017/07/oembed/
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Loqi [superfeedr] "oEmbed kaputt" by Thomas on 2017-07-20 https://thopex.de/2017/07/oembed-kaputt/
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gRegorLove "After a plugin disable-enable session, it was clear that the Microformats plugin was to blame. This remains then only once deactivated. I do not know what it does, ?and that's the problem with this indieweb stuff. I do not know what it does, but it works?"
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gRegorLove Wordpress uf2 plugin ^
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Reply to I defy the world and go back to RSS by Bryan Alexander" by Chris Aldrich on 2017-07-20 http://boffosocko.com/2017/07/20/reply-to-i-defy-the-world-and-go-back-to-rss-by-bryan-alexander/
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aaronpk :facepalm: https://aaronparecki.com/2017/07/20/15/medium
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Loqi [Aaron Parecki] Really, @Medium?? https://aaronparecki.com/2017/07/20/15/photo.png
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gRegorLove Do you get the same when you bookmark a Medium article?
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tantek I don't see that annoying overlay because NOSCRIPT :)
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aaronpk it didn't screenshot right
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tantek did you use a screenshotting thing that executes JS?
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aaronpk i dunno, it's the one benwerd runs
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