#indieweb 2017-07-22

2017-07-22 UTC
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TheGillies ha ricmac is my old boss
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[kevinmarks] Doing a static rendered mirror is a good idea.
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j12t Noticing that Wordpress plugins generally encode their version in the download URL, like this: https://downloads.wordpress.org/plugin/indieweb.3.2.2.zip . But micropub does not: https://downloads.wordpress.org/plugin/micropub.zip /cc snarfed GWG
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snarfed j12t: interesting! i'm not sure i have any control over that url, including filename
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@anchantodotcom Anchanto is proud to be the '"E-comm Technology Partner" at 7th @WarehousingShow. #IWS2017 #SupplyChain #Conference https://twitter.com/anchantodotcom/status/888602496356163584/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/888602496356163584)
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@webdev_links Webmention Client #web #dev https://github.com/indieweb/mention-client-php (twitter.com/_/status/888627182033141760)
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[kevinmarks] monoculture << https://medium.com/@VitalikButerin/the-meaning-of-decentralization-a0c92b76a274
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Loqi ok, I added "https://medium.com/@VitalikButerin/the-meaning-of-decentralization-a0c92b76a274" to the "See Also" section of /monoculture
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Zegnat Good morning IndieWeb!
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jeremycherfas Morning Zegnat
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Zegnat !tell TheGillies I saw you mention IndieAuth in regards to federation, do you see problems with auth federation? Or is this another case of naming confusion over what IndieAuth is and what the indieauth.com service is?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Zegnat Hi jeremycherfas :)
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Zegnat finishes reading the backlog since yesterday afternoon
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jeremycherfas Jeremycherfas catches up with RSS and will then attempt some proper debugging.
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Zegnat Debugging is … sometimes fun?
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Zegnat Still working on Webmentions, jeremycherfas?
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jeremycherfas Yes. My plan is to put lots more reporting into the code to see what is happening where.
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Zegnat Definitely a good starting point jeremycherfas
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Site deaths where you least expect them" by Jeremy Cherfas on 2017-07-22 http://stream.jeremycherfas.net/2017/site-deaths-where-you-least-expect-them
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Zegnat What is video?
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Loqi video is a type of post where the primary content is a video file (recorded movie, animation etc.) typically with audio, and has growing support on the indie web https://indieweb.org/video
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Zegnat Hmm… do we have anything captured about reacting to video content?
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jeremycherfas Zegnat: I’ve tracked down where NotifyCommand is halting. Move to -dev?
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Zegnat If you are going to talk code, yes please :)
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@schmarty Your < 10min update on the #IndieWeb community! This Week in the IndieWeb audio edition for July 15th - 21st, 2017. https://martymcgui.re/2017/07/22/092359/ (twitter.com/_/status/888751891232018432)
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@huffduffer This Week in the IndieWeb Audio Edition • July 15th - 21st, 2017 https://huffduffer.com/schmarty/419675 (twitter.com/_/status/888755360214941696)
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@DanielGenser “https://micro.blog/ + Facebook” This is great news, I'm glad https://micro.blog/ is picking up steam. #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/888758998907981825)
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@UCCISEC Investment talk in Delhi on 28th http://www.viablesoft.com/IWS2017/index.asp (twitter.com/_/status/888759803031330816)
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doubleloop[m] does indieauth.com require javascript?
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aaronpk Yea
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aaronpk axtualy the second time you visit I think it doesn't
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Zegnat Hmm, another good reason to rewrite the mediawiki to do actual IndieAuth, can get through that without JS :D
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aaronpk true
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Zegnat Is that MediaWiki plugin available somewhere aaronpk?
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doubleloop[m] I was trying to auth to quill via the browser built in to Emacs, but it doesn't have JS
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doubleloop[m] But I just found shpub and I think this will do the trick
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aaronpk Zegnat: https://github.com/aaronpk/MediaWiki-WebSignIn
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Loqi [aaronpk] MediaWiki-WebSignIn: MediaWiki authentication extension for IndieAuth
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aaronpk tho if you actaully want to tackle that, it might be easier to start from scratch with a new authentication plugin for a recent mediawiki version
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aaronpk they changed some of the authentication APIs from the IWC wiki version to the latest
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Zegnat Ah, alright. That would probably be easier anyway as I would be testing against latest stable mediawiki if I decide to tackle it
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aaronpk yeah. I need to revisit the mediawiki upgrade project soon anyway
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sknebel IndieAuth.com only works without JS if you only have an authoirzation_endpoint, no "social" rel=me links, and you either have used it before or manually load a URL normally loaded by JS before
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@loopdouble shpub is awesome. I can microblog to my website from the command line! #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/888773719551877120)
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sknebel (for logging Kaja into the wiki had to work around the JS-dependency in IndieAuth.com as well)
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doubleloop[m] Does this look like a sensible curl command to send a webmention to Bridgy to publish to twitter? curl -i -d source=doubleloop.net/2017/07/22/552 -d target=brid.gy/publish/twitter https://brid.gy/publish/webmention
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doubleloop[m] I'm getting the response: Target must be brid.gy/publish/{facebook,flickr,twitter,instagram}
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sebsel doubleloop[m] you're missing https:// in the target and source.
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sebsel #indieweb-dev is a better channel for this question :)
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doubleloop[m] sebsel++
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Loqi sebsel has 25 karma in this channel (34 overall)
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doubleloop[m] Thanks, that worked :) (and thanks for heads up re dev channel)
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sebsel No prob, glad it worked
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@UCCISEC India Warehousing 2017 (India's Biggest Event on #Warehousing, #Logistics & Supply Chain Industry) 27-29th July http://www.viablesoft.com/IWS2017/index.asp (twitter.com/_/status/888798407283757056)
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Zegnat aaronpk I find the reactions on https://aaronparecki.com/2017/07/15/19/stuff-on-the-cat very confusing, ’til I realised they were coming from Facebook and were written below a different photo over there
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Loqi [Aaron Parecki] This is a game I like to call "How much stuff can we put on the cat?" ? https://aaronparecki.com/2017/07/15/19/photo.jpg
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sknebel Zegnat: yeah, that's some bridgy/facebook weirdness
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sknebel (aaron had noticed a while ago, but it was unclear what exactly is going on, something related to facebook creating a combined post for both images or so)
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aaronpk I haven't figured out why bridgy treats them as the same post yet
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tantek listens to https://martymcgui.re/2017/07/22/092359/
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Loqi [Marty McGuire] This Week in the IndieWeb Audio Edition • July 15th - 21st, 2017
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tantek (this is so good)
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tantek schmarty++
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Loqi schmarty has 16 karma in this channel (23 overall)
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schmarty Thanks! I always learn a lot putting them together. I have really enjoyed the short interviews, too
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tantek have you managed to get it into the iTunes Podcast directory?
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tantek (I don't actually know how to do that)
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tantek what is iTunes
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Loqi iTunes is a service and application from Apple for music, video, podcasts, and other multimedia https://indieweb.org/iTunes
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tantek schmarty: additionally, this section could use some expansion perhaps with your recommendation of what you do to publish TWITIW audio edition
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tantek what is this week
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Loqi This Week in the IndieWeb is a weekly digest of activities of the IndieWeb community https://indieweb.org/this-week
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tantek what is TWITIW
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Loqi This Week in the IndieWeb is a weekly digest of activities of the IndieWeb community https://indieweb.org/TWITIW
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tantek nice
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tantek this section that is: https://indieweb.org/podcast#How_to_publish
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schmarty Good idea. I have a couple of outstanding todos before publishing on iTunes.
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schmarty I will take a pass at the podcast page in the next few days
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tantek Your podcasts keep getting better BTW - super understandable and I feel people even tangentially interested would appreciate them
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tantek I want to do a big push to folks on the edge of the community (or just friendly to it) to listen to them as the podcasts are really accessible and easy to listen to on a commute or something
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schmarty Oh, oops, I answered before reading. I need to decide on a TWITIW logo and the plumbing for generating the iTunes RSS feed. I should doc those itches.
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tantek but the challenge is right now making it "easy" for maybe gen2/3 type folks to be able to subscribe to them - which I think a lot use iTunes?
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schmarty Thanks so for the feedback! I would definitely like to get it to a place where it's understandable and inviting to IndieWeb-adjacent folks.
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tantek also iTunes podcast permalinks work really well in iOS, e.g. when people txt them it shows a nice little in-place "play" button and everything
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tantek the content is definitely there
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schmarty Ooh that is a nice feature
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tantek the challenge is the process of subscribing (I think)
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schmarty Yeah it's not easy to subscribe right now. I'll focus up on getting it into iTunes soon.
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tantek do you have an iOS device? I can iMessage you an example to show you
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tantek go to tantek.com on your iOS device and tap the "Contact" link in the right column, then the "txt" icon/button
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schmarty Sorry for the delay. My (Android) phone crashed. :/
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schmarty I will see if I can borrow my wife's phone for this purpose
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tantek hah no problem. now see if you can screenshot that / crop and upload to the indieweb wiki
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tantek provides additional incentive to syndicate a podcast to iTunes
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tantek definitely worth documenting at least on the podcast page
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schmarty It might be due to her having the smaller iPhone SE, but the preview did not have a play button.
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tantek maybe also on /Messages as a way that it shows a link preview for iTunes podcast episode permalinks
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schmarty Still it was quite nice!
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tantek really? I have the "small" iPod touch 6 and see it! (iOS 10)
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schmarty Title and thumbnail and clickable link to iTunes.
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schmarty Hmm. Not sure if she is up to date!
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tantek ok we should both take / post screenshots then. make a note of which iOS that device is running
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schmarty iPhone SE 10.3.3 here.
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tantek interesting
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schmarty Sorry, on mobile at the moment so not super useful for wiki editing, haha
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Loqi hehe
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tantek but you can upload
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tantek at least if you don't get blocked
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tantek weird I'm seeing an error: File extension does not match MIME type
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tantek even with just the default filename I get by choosing what to upload
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tantek never seen this error before
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tantek downloading 10.3.3 also
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tantek taking it to meta
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sebsel wow, I tried that and I got a message in Dutch (!) about adding tantek to my homescreen.
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sebsel https://seblog.nl/temp/media-endpoint/2df418-img_9102.png
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tantek and did you try doing that?
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sebsel well it says "click on and then *Add to start screen*"
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sebsel note the double space
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sebsel I guess I now have a cookie, because it does not show again
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sebsel But it looks nice!
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tantek there's probably supposed to be an icon or something there on the "click on X and then"
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tantek sebsel: yeah I documented a bit of how to do that on /contact
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sebsel tantek more -dev, but seems like it does not support iOS 10, I only see iOS 6, 7 and 8 in the CSS.
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sebsel The repo on https://github.com/cubiq/add-to-homescreen has a "add ios10 css" commit, that probably fixes it :)
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Loqi [cubiq] add-to-homescreen: Add to home screen call-out for mobile devices
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tantek heh
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tantek tinbox << Update tantek/contact add to homescreen script for iOS10 from https://github.com/cubiq/add-to-homescreen
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Loqi [cubiq] add-to-homescreen: Add to home screen call-out for mobile devices
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Loqi ok, I added "Update tantek/contact add to homescreen script for iOS10 from https://github.com/cubiq/add-to-homescreen" to the "See Also" section of /tinbox
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sebsel Another interesting note is that he changed the text
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tantek sebsel - I changed a lot of text because the use-case he has is "app" and mine is a person
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sebsel "To add me to your home screen: tap %icon and then tap <strong>%action</strong>." is now "To add this web app to the home screen: tap %icon and then <strong>Add to Home Screen</strong>."
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sebsel Ah, that's why!
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tantek no he's always had "web app"
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tantek not sure how to capture that in a fork / option
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tantek so I haven't submitted a patch
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tantek !tell schmarty added what I saw differently - the playability right there inline in Messages makes it quite compelling to share podcast links in txt!
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek !tell schmarty https://indieweb.org/iMessage#Content_Previews
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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sebsel Sounds like a good one to fork for the IndieWeb organisation. He added a lot of languages.
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sebsel Hard to translate on your own.
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schmarty tantek: nice. That makes it pretty compelling!
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Loqi schmarty: tantek left you a message 17 minutes ago: added what I saw differently - the playability right there inline in Messages makes it quite compelling to share podcast links in txt!
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Loqi schmarty: tantek left you a message 17 minutes ago: https://indieweb.org/iMessage#Content_Previews
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prtksxna schmarty: You have radio voice! ? (context: this week in indieweb)
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prtksxna schmarty++
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Loqi schmarty has 17 karma in this channel (24 overall)
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prtksxna https://martymcgui.re/2017/07/22/092359/ is great!
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Loqi [Marty McGuire] This Week in the IndieWeb Audio Edition • July 15th - 21st, 2017
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