#indieweb 2017-08-03
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[chrisaldrich] For vacation time planning?
# [chrisaldrich] I'm still working on a location and date/time for LA, but haven't locked anything yet.
# [chrisaldrich] I haven't heard anything positive on one happening before the end of the year. I may be one of the last hopes before the end of 2017 for ones which aren't yet officially announced.
# [chrisaldrich] I'd love an excuse to have to go to the Bay Area myself.
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gRegorLove Me three
# [chrisaldrich] I've been contemplating this conference at the Internet Archive in mid-November (it's IndieWeb tangential): https://www.rjionline.org/events/dodging-the-memory-hole-2017
# [chrisaldrich] I suspect the head of the digital archive for the Library of Congress will be there again this year. There were some interesting tech people in digital archiving there last year.
# [chrisaldrich] GWG, it may also appeal to your library background as well. About half the group were librarians and museum executives.
# [chrisaldrich] This could be a route back in... they especially need people with your technical background and coding skills.
# [chrisaldrich] Haha, Loqi, the Librarian!
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# [chrisaldrich] I'm around....
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[kevinmarks] An interesting approach to comment whitelisting http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/nrk-norwegian-news-site-comments-read-story-understand-post-quiz-questions-a7607246.html?amp
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tantek_ aaronpk, I think this relates to your book publishing interests: https://twitter.com/dauwhe/status/892841955281047553
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@dauwhe @fakebaldur This is looking like a very good model: https://resilientwebdesign.com In Opera 12 you can even read through the entire book by using the space bar (twitter.com/_/status/892841955281047553)
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Something I like: 03/08/2017, 05:55 – Social Thoughts… Colin Walker highlights that the ownership and authenticity involved with blogging on the indieweb comes with an important tradeoff – simplicity. The major social networks provided great simplicity, but ownership and authenticity is quickly lost." by Des on 2017-08-03 http://www.desparoz.com/2017/08/03/9039/
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petermolnar tantek_ re "Some day, perhaps hooking all this together will be as simple as posting something to Facebook." from the seconf link: yesterday I wondered a little about medium.com and the whole 'I just want to post an article, not start a blog' thing: it pretty much seems like people are forgetting (or never known?) that they could put a simple HTML doc online and it would be an article on it's own
# tantek_ FYI your /irc-people icon appears to return a 410
# petermolnar checking
# petermolnar that is weird
# petermolnar oh
# petermolnar no, not weird
# petermolnar there, fixed, thanks for spotting it
# petermolnar but yeah, in case of the 'just post an article' it might be good to somehow emphasized that if you put a html file on a webserver, it's posted, and that is all you need to do
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# Loqi A book is a written work https://indieweb.org/book
# petermolnar more like RMS
# petermolnar when I joined uni one of the first things we got was an access to an ancient VMS mainframe, which also exposed a ~/public on the web
# petermolnar I wonder is unis still do that
# petermolnar "it was in the cloud" lol :D
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jeremycherfas Hello IndieWeb
# petermolnar hi Jeremy
# jeremycherfas What’s on your plate today petermolnar
# petermolnar mostly indieweb-unrelated work
# Loqi A book is a written work typically longer than an article, on the indieweb, there are examples of publishing whole books on indieweb sites, and publishing lists of books https://indieweb.org/book
# petermolnar I drifted a little with that realisation above that they days when your educational facility provided you a simple way to publish on the web is probably gone
# jeremycherfas I’ve never really understaood when a novella becomes a novel, or a short story a novella. Likewise book and booklet. I guess there is a kind of lengrth cutoff, but exactly where I do not know.
# jeremycherfas Petermolnar I think there is a resurgence though, with Known in education, for one thing.
# petermolnar there should be a classification like: short story -> read at once, novella -> read within a day, book -> 1+ days
# petermolnar Known is good, but it's still a CMS with a database backend
# jeremycherfas That’s true. But it does also give students a way to publish on the web.
# petermolnar it's way more complicated and shows you much less of how the web truly works compared to a webserver exposed ~/public, where you just drop things in via SCP (or, god forbid, FTP) and voilá, it's online
# petermolnar I'm not against it
# petermolnar just missing the simpler solutions
# jeremycherfas Simpler in one way, much more complicated in others!
# petermolnar indeed, but it also teaches
# petermolnar do your thing in libreoffice -> export html -> put in a directory on the server -> done
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# petermolnar certainly lacking a lot of what a cms can offer
# jeremycherfas It does teach, I agree. But do most people need to know? I’d argue that simpler technology hides the details, which may or may not be a good thing. I never could service my own car, for example. Never the least bit interested. But I had friends who did. Now they say they can no longer do it with new cars, and they are frustrated.
# petermolnar but the point was to 'just publish an article and not to start a blog'
# petermolnar as in medium.com
# jeremycherfas Take that analogy to the web. Thewre are people who happily use T and FB knowing nothing about the machinery because they have no interest. And when things go wrong, there’s nothing they can do about it. I know enough about the machinery of the web to eventually do most of the things I could do before.
# petermolnar jeremycherfas a car is different. nowadays everyone seems to believe you need either a silo or at least a blogging software to publish, to present anything on the web - and this is not true, but it comes from the lack of understanding the top level of the pipes
# petermolnar tantek_ or don't, and see if anyone checks up on you
# jeremycherfas Thee’s certainly a lot of room for discussion about whether FB is a car … Or an 18-wheeler in the middle of the road.
# jeremycherfas There’s
# petermolnar fb is not a car, it's a crappy taxi that rips you off and steals your luggage
# jeremycherfas See! I told you there was a lot of room for discussion.
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# [kevinmarks] Not to mention iDisk and Google drive giving a folder to drag Web pages into, then later 404ing them all
# [kevinmarks] Does Dropbox still enable that, or did they find a way to cock it up too?
# Loqi Dropbox is a file hosting silo that provides js;dr URLs for the files hosted there that display just file name and a spinner unless you load some number of scripts from various domains https://indieweb.org/Dropbox
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# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "release notes" yet. Would you like to create it?
# tantek_ release notes << 2016-04-04 [https://slackhq.com/a-little-thing-about-release-notes-997d2e06842d A little thing about release notes] - how to write good release notes
# Loqi ok, I added "2016-04-04 [https://slackhq.com/a-little-thing-about-release-notes-997d2e06842d A little thing about release notes] - how to write good release notes" to the "See Also" section of /release_notes
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# petermolnar Zegnat I've tested Dropbox; it still renders HTML
# petermolnar but
# petermolnar it also adds a JS based "frame"
# petermolnar so it's not a pure html
# petermolnar there is https://neocities.org/ though
# petermolnar I'm on free
# petermolnar then again, it's not full-fledged static hosting
# petermolnar huh
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# petermolnar O.O https://petermolnar.net/tmp/Screenshot_2017-08-03_14-19-54.png - apparently it only renders when you're logged in
# petermolnar dropbox--
# petermolnar that is so shady
# petermolnar no
# petermolnar I do not
# petermolnar sure
# petermolnar the world will burn once we claim copyright on screenshots
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# [tantek] Because that's then vulnerable to https://twitter.com/justin/status/883171036283285508
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@justin Someone socially engineered AT&T to get a new SIM for my phone, signed into my Paypal (using 2FA) and withdrew a bunch of money. I am livid (twitter.com/_/status/883171036283285508)
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# petermolnar and did you?
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Zegnat https://indieweb.org/Dropbox#Gives_the_impression_that_HTML_hosting_still_works - specifically mentions “uploader”
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j12t FYI: there are now 38 products that don't screw us listed on http://indietech.rocks/ . Thanks to Tom (Herestomwiththeweather.com) for submitting a pull request to add Audacity.
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[jemostrom] I've always wondered about this "open source doesn't lock us in". Is that really true, sure source code is open etc but the complexity of the system might make it a "lock in" because the average person doesn't have the time/skill to make use of the source code.
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# jmelesky [jemostrom], true, but open source products are more likely to 1- use open standards, and 2- have available conversion tools to other standards
# jmelesky s/more likely to/more capable of/
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# [kevinmarks] The point is that closed source can be taken away entirely, but open source can continue. It doesn't mean that it will, but you have more chance.
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# Zegnat lock-in really is more about the used formats, imho. E.g. 1Password isn’t open-source but they have clearly documented their storage format. Even if their software disappears I can still decode my passwords, or some vault converter can implement it. That is more important to me than 1Password’s own status
# gRegorLove Howdy, #indieweb
# gRegorLove ?
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# gRegorLove Gotta get those likes and subscribes! jk. I may not self-host all of them, but I'll at least embed if I post them on YouTube. I thought about hosting on archive.org too
# gRegorLove As long as all the content licensing works with that.
# gRegorLove aaronpk++ for the 100days music, too. I was having a hard time finding something I liked on freemusicarchive.org
# gRegorLove I selected CC Attribution license on YT for that video. In general I think I'm fine with that, though maybe some videos I might put a more restrictive license on.
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# [jemostrom] Yes, for me the data format has always been the important thing (and of course usability). I've avoided systems/programs that doesn't export my data in a way that I can use in some other system/program. Never bothered if the system is open source or not.
# petermolnar [jemostrom] re open source lock-in: hadoop is definitely a lock-in, mostly because of the sheer scale
# petermolnar but, as mentioned before, worst case scenario if the support goes down is that you hire people to work on it
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# gRegorLove o/ [miklb]
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# tantek_ just going to note https://instagram.com/aclu_nationwide is live streaming a certain international speaker right now
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# gRegorLove App-only, looks like? ^
# gRegorLove And it's Snowden, if anyone's curious
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# gRegorLove Think it's been at least six months
# gRegorLove 2016-12 looks like
# gRegorLove I think I only noticed because IG sent a push when friends went live
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# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "story" yet. Would you like to create it?
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# Loqi Expiring content is content that is only temporarily (ephemerally) relevant, and also part of a larger post, that can and should be (preferably automatically) removed once a particular datetime has passed (the expiration date) https://indieweb.org/ephemeral
# Loqi A story is a singular (one per profile) time stream collection post, that consists of ephemeral photo and video posts that are shown in sequence one at a time and disappear from the collection 24 hours after being added https://indieweb.org/story
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