#indieweb 2017-08-02

2017-08-02 UTC
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tantek_ good morning #indieweb!
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Zegnat good morning tantek_, and the rest of the IndieWeb!
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tantek_ Mastodon << 2017-08-01 [https://medium.com/@Gargron/m-for-mastodon-4269c0bf6c8b M for Mastodon: A new logo and v1.5]
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Loqi ok, I added "2017-08-01 [https://medium.com/@Gargron/m-for-mastodon-4269c0bf6c8b M for Mastodon: A new logo and v1.5]" to the "See Also" section of /Mastodon
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tantek_ This is a good post: http://benjamingrobertson.com/web/humanizing-the-web
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Loqi [Ben Robertson] Humanizing the Web
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tantek_ worth bookmarking for IndieNews this week IMO
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cweiske yesp
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cweiske yep
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sl007 The mastodon post ("implement ActivityPub") and this issue https://github.com/w3c/activitypub/issues/87 leads me to the question - what exactly are the differences between Micropub and ActivityPub ?
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Loqi [cwebber] #87 Call out Micropub and SocialWebProtocols in ActivityPub spec
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cweiske micropub is a protocol to create+update posts on some (your) server
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cweiske activitypub is a full subscribe-feed-action specification
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sl007 cweiske - that's a nice summary. Would you say micropub + websub = more lax ActivityPub ? And how about ActivityPub in the indieweb "building blocks" context ?
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cweiske yes. it's not indieweb.org-y because it does not built upon html
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sl007 I see [just read the A.P. spec. the first time]. Thankyou.
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[tantek] It's orthogonal. It's not not IndieWeb either. It's more neutral
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cweiske the same way atom and rss are not indieweb.org-y
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[tantek] It's a protocol not a format so it doesn't really make sense to compare/contrast it with HTML
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sl007 !tell chrisaldrich The question is also about https://mastodon.social/@chrisaldrich/2437090 if Mastodon is aware of the indieweb protocols in general. Might be good to tell them when they evaluate new "protocols" now (https://medium.com/@Gargron/m-for-mastodon-4269c0bf6c8b) …
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi [Chris Aldrich ?] This is now working!
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[tantek] Not at all. Atom & RSS have the problem of being ossified and damaged community from the early 2000s Atom/RSS wars
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[tantek] AP has no such problems
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[tantek] And again, AP is a protocol. Atom & RSS are formats
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[tantek] The modern format equivalent to RSS/Atom is AS2
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[tantek] Cweiske I'm curious what's your opinion of AS2
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cweiske I was interested in activity streams 8 years ago but lost interest when I found out that nobody implements it, and that it was too hard for me to implement it myself
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[tantek] Cweiske surprised to hear that as even I as an HTML advocate implemented Atom/AS1 at least because there consuming sites/services
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[tantek] there *were
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cweiske I'm not part of the SF bay bubble and probably don't know of any of the tools that did
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cweiske so, s/nobody/no tool that I was interested in/
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Zegnat “the SF bay bubble” - he
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Loqi [superfeedr] "ChrisAldrich on Twitter: "If @SoundCloud Disappears, What Happens to Its Music Culture? | NY Times #IndieWeb https://t.co/998KnDWpBS https://t.co/nQJsAIS2N2"" by Jeremy Cherfas on 2017-08-02 https://twitter.com/ChrisAldrich/status/892633882507583488
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jeremycherfas Morning IndieWeb
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Zegnat Good morning jeremycherfas
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jeremycherfas Hi zegnat
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[kevinmarks] MySpace and Facebook implemented as1 (for a while, mostly thanks to Monica) and gnip and various other event stream companies did too.
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[kevinmarks] Oh, and buzz.
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sknebel Good morning indieweb
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jeremycherfas Morning sknebel
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dgold hey up indiewebbers
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sknebel Good morning dgold
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dgold hi sknebel - ttb is working away happily for me!
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dgold have it rebuilding my blog and all sorts
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Zegnat What is ttb?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "ttb" yet. Would you like to create it?
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jeremycherfas Hey dgold
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sknebel Zegnat: tiktokbot
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Zegnat Aaah, gotcha!
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Zegnat what is tiktokbot?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "tiktokbot" yet. Would you like to create it?
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Zegnat Guess it is fine not to have aaronpk’s IRC bot on the indieweb wiki
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tantek_ kevinmarks re: MySpace and FB implementing as1 - I never saw any actual evidence of that - only claims from folks that they did - nor any details how, and only publishing as1 AFAIK, not consuming
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tantek_ cweiske - it was outside SF actually, it was Statusnet which had much more uptake outside “the SF bay bubble”
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tantek_ what is the blockchain
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Loqi blockchain is a weapon used in the middle ages composed of a block shaped striking head attached to a handle by a flexible rope, strap, or chain https://indieweb.org/blockchain
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[kevinmarks] possibly a bit too snarky
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petermolnar I had a strange thought... maybe some of my stuff would make more sense in another type of ordering instead of reverse chronological
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petermolnar eg. articles
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petermolnar but
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petermolnar if I do that, can I still represent them as h-feed?
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petermolnar how do you describe the logic for a h-feed? is it locked to (reverse) chronological?
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Zegnat An h-feed is just a stream of items, I think. Don’t believe there is any rule about it having to be chronologically ordered.
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Zegnat It would be up to a reader to sort the items if they want it sorted.
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petermolnar I've been thinking to re-arrange my entries in journal and article, probably into a single page, within topics
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petermolnar instead of chronological pagination
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petermolnar since they only have a headline and a url
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tantek_ what zegnat said
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tantek_ kevinmarks but https://twitter.com/SimonSapin/status/890671156096753664
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@SimonSapin “Blockchain is a technology in search of a problem to solve, pushed by ideology into areas where the unsolved problems aren’t technological” QT [@denormalize] This blog post cuts through the blockchain hype in regards to long term preservation http://blog.dshr.org/2017/07/decentralizedt-long-term-preservation.html (twitter.com/_/status/890671156096753664)
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Zegnat petermolnar, any order is fine. It is even recommended for readers to fetch the article permalinks separately before parsing, because the feed might just be summaries and stuff.
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Zegnat And when readers parse the separate entry pages they get full timestamp and can sort however they want
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petermolnar ok
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sl007 sebsel I saw that Zegnat just starred https://github.com/Spomky-Labs/jose (PHP) - this was what i meant by "JOSE" the full suite of JWT also with encryption
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Loqi [Spomky-Labs] jose: :closed_lock_with_key: JSON Object Signing and Encryption library (JWT, JWS, JWE, JWA, JWK, JWKSet and more)
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tantek_ yeah that tweet dfn is better than the current snarkinition
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tantek_ what is blockchain
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Loqi blockchain is a technology in search of a problem to solve, pushed by ideology into areas where the unsolved problems aren’t technological https://indieweb.org/blockchain
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[kevinmarks] it's TWiG time
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[kevinmarks] what should I be telling the TWiGlets about
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Zegnat Not sure there has been any big indieweb news the last week(s)? Seen an uptick in Webmention supporters
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[kevinmarks] what is this week
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Loqi This Week in the IndieWeb is a weekly digest of activities of the IndieWeb community https://indieweb.org/this-week
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[kevinmarks] that is one spindly font
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[kevinmarks] (on https://indieweb.org/this-week/2017-07-28.html )
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GWG I missed TWIG time?
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[kevinmarks] just finished
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GWG [kevinmarks]: What was the Indieweb topic?
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Loqi [superfeedr] "I think a lot of the problem comes down to all of the siloed walls out there which are causing most of the friction. We're" by Chris Aldrich on 2017-08-02 http://stream.boffosocko.com/2017/i-think-a-lot-of-the-problem-comes-down-to
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[chrisaldrich] declares some chat bankrupcy for a piece of the week and hopes schmarty covers it on the podcast. Messages Loqi?
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Loqi [chrisaldrich]: sl007 left you a message 14 hours, 14 minutes ago: The question is also about https://mastodon.social/@chrisaldrich/2437090 if Mastodon is aware of the indieweb protocols in general. Might be good to tell them when they evaluate new "protocols" now (https://medium.com/@Gargron/m-for-mastodon-4269c0bf6c8b) …
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GWG [chrisaldrich]: Hi
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[chrisaldrich] !tell sl007 Gargron is aware of many of the indieweb pieces since late last year at least: https://github.com/tootsuite/mastodon/issues/1384
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi [singpolyma] #1384 Receive and parse inbound Webmention
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[chrisaldrich] Howdy GWG!
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[chrisaldrich] I never want to buy or sell another house in my life... have you recovered from Asia?
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Loqi [superfeedr] "DreamHost on Twitter: "DreamHost is thrilled to continually sponsor the monthly @indiewebcamp meetup at our #PDX office! #IndieWeb"" by Jonathan LaCour on 2017-08-02 https://twitter.com/DreamHost/status/892891517320298498
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GWG [chrisaldrich]: Sort of. Still backlogged with things, but adapting. Have you moved yet?
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[chrisaldrich] Sadly, no. The original house we wanted recently backed out, but entertainingly we've started escrow on a better house just up the street from it. We're also under contract at the moment and should hopefully close escrow on the sale of our house at the end of this month.
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GWG [chrisaldrich]: Good luck
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[chrisaldrich] The sad part is that I'm probably going to miss DrupalCamp LA this weekend as a result.
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GWG [chrisaldrich]: Maybe you could help me with something
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[chrisaldrich] Other than that, it's documentation, documentation...
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[chrisaldrich] What'cha need?
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GWG [chrisaldrich]: I need to figure out where to go to for Indiewebcamps