#indieweb 2017-08-01

2017-08-01 UTC
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Pride goeth ..." by Jeremy Cherfas on 2017-07-28 https://stream.jeremycherfas.net/2017/pride-goeth
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@sl007 @jugendhacktNRW Und falls den Eltern dann langweilig ist, können die gern hierhin : https://indieweb.org/2017/Dortmund ? beim… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/892297299841486848 (twitter.com/_/status/892297299841486848)
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@grabaperch https://perchrunway.com/blog/2017-08-01-being-part-of-the-indieweb Being part of the IndieWeb - Webmention support in Perch and Perch Runway. (twitter.com/_/status/892316060086677505)
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jeremycherfas Good morning IndieWeb
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tantek_ Good morning jeremycherfas
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jeremycherfas Hi tantek
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tantek_ what is FB Messenger
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Loqi Facebook Messenger is the messaging app by Facebook https://indieweb.org/FB_Messenger
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tantek_ what is tautological
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "tautological" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek_ what is native
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "native" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek_ native is /app
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Loqi ok
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GWG Morning
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Loqi good morning
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jeremycherfas Morning GWG
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GWG jeremycherfas: Anything Indieweb-new and exciting?
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jeremycherfas Going to plunge into the WP bridgy plugin later today.
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GWG jeremycherfas: Keep me posted
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jeremycherfas Good to know there’s a lifeguard on hand.
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jeremycherfas GWG: Not clear what I do with the URL when posting to Twitter from WP using Brdigy Publish plugin. And can I preview before going live to Twitter?
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sebsel Brid.gy has some kind of preview on the site. Seems like it's a POST request to https://brid.gy/publish/preview, with target https://brid.gy/publish/twitter, source your post URL, and then some Twitter API key. Don't know if you can incorporate that into the WP plugin, but maybe a more embeddable version might be a nice feature for Bridgy?
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jeremycherfas I’m not seeing any kind of preview on MY site. I know I can publish on my site and then Preview in bridgy, but what if I don’t like what I see and it has already been sent to Twitter?
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sebsel On the site, there is a button in the preview, to send the actual mention / trigger the publish. So it's really a preview.
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sebsel It would be nice to have that in a way you can use it on your own site indeed.
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jeremycherfas Sebsel: right. So I cannot actually preview in Brid.gy BEFORE publishing to my WP site.
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sebsel Oh, wait, the post has not been published on your site? Yeah, that's hard. Bridgy needs to see the Mf2 in order to interpret it.
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jeremycherfas Exactly.
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jeremycherfas Now I’m thinking, maybe the Indieweb Press Thiss plugin is a better option for me.
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tantek_ I wrote a bunch of code to preview what my POSSE to Twitter copy would look like. Most of it is in cassis.js
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sebsel I don't know how the Bridgy publish plugin for WP works, but if you just publish your post on your site, then preview, then edit, and then click 'Publish to Twitter', then it would work, right? Or does it send the publish request right away when you publish your post on your site?
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tantek_ sebsel yeah you could roundtrip that like that
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jeremycherfas I don’t know. Just starting this phase of my exploration
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jeremycherfas I also worry about conflicts with all in one seo pack. I’d rather have as few plugins as necessary, doing only the necessary things.
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jeremycherfas Yeah. That’s weird. It includes a link to briddgy in the twitter post. So, no good.
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jeremycherfas Going to #IndieWeb-wordpress
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[kevinmarks] This looks interesting (apart from the p- prefix)
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[kevinmarks] https://shoelace.style
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sknebel is it me or is the matrix bridge extra crashy the last few days?
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tantek_ what is an AAE file?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "AAE file" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek_ what is AAE
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "AAE" yet. Would you like to create it?
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sebsel there's your Matrix bridge back again, sknebel ;)
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tantek_ is it worth documenting vague/meaningless app update messages / summaries as an anti-pattern?
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tantek_ what is Gmail
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Loqi Gmail is an email reading, composing, and searching client and service hosted by Google https://indieweb.org/gmail
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tantek_ I'll just capture the instances for now, and we can document a pattern of them later
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tantek_ what's a better phrase for this? opinions?
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tantek_ "App Updates Without Specific Reasons"
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tantek_ "meaningless app updates"
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tantek_ "vague app updates"
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tantek_ or how about
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tantek_ Vague Application Generic Updates & Enhancements
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sknebel is the problem getting notified about them (notification fatigue) or that the description is bad?
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aaronpk is this the thing where the message is like "bugfixes"? or the ones like "we update the app regularly so we can make it better for you"
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tantek_ the problem is, why should I bother?
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tantek_ aaronpk yeah! see https://indieweb.org/Facebook_Messenger#Vague_Application_Generic_Updates_Enhancements
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tantek_ I just started taking screenshots I was seeing so many
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tantek_ and to answer your "or", both
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[kevinmarks] Slack was a pioneer in useful, readable update messages.
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[kevinmarks] (positive framing)
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tantek_ perhaps Vague and generic updates enhancements
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tantek_ or Vague and generic updates explanations
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[kevinmarks] https://slackhq.com/a-little-thing-about-release-notes-997d2e06842d
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tantek_ that's a good positive reframing
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[kevinmarks] Anna is a genius. A huge amount of Slack's success is down to her tummeling.
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Humanizing the Web" by Benjamin Robertson on 2017-08-01 https://medium.com/@bgrobertson/humanizing-the-web-dcf0794bc46e?source=rss-------1
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "Humanizing the Web" http://benjamingrobertson.com/web/humanizing-the-web (from https://aaronparecki.com/2017/08/01/6/)
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sl007 If anybody wants to fly from US to IWC Dortmund or Berlin : The eurowings connection to CGN is pretty cheap, starting around 200€ from Las Vegas / Seattle or 140€ from Miami … https://www.eurowings.com/de/buchen/angebote/fluege-ab/DE/CGN/nach/US.html
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Loqi [superfeedr] "> Just as not everything needs to be pulled back to your own site does it all need to be pushed out and cross-posted as" by Jack Baty on 2017-08-01 https://stream.baty.net/2017/-just-as-not-everything-needs-to-be-pulled-back
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