#petermolnaralso, the first paragraph - "Setting up a domain was difficult" - ... if that is hard, indieweb is near impossible at the moment.
#sebselpetermolnar Isn't that talking about setting up a domain on Medium? That could be difficult. I don't think he means setting up a domain in general?
#sknebelright. On Medium you can't add a domain self-service, but have to request it manually and wait for it
#sebselFrom the article: "The whole thing was just confusing and I think it was deliberately done to prevent personal users using their own domains.", so he think's the same ;)
#sebsel"Writing comments to Medium posts feels awkward because each comment is treated as a blog post. Even if you just write couple of words, that particular comment will now be seen in your profile page forever."
#sebselI mean, it's the same with IndieWeb comments, and dgold was complaining about that a few days ago.
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#sebselOf course, on one's own site, one can display comments however they want.
#sknebelright. many of us don't show them, or at least don't show them prominently
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#sknebelbut it's interesting to consider for plugins, CMSes, ...
#petermolnarit's an interesting question though; comment silos with reasonable interface - hn, reddit, etc - are popular to generate responses, not always useful, though, and it's simple to follow the discussion, whereas with each-comment-is-a-post, this becomes exponentially complicated
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#[davidmead]sebsel I’ve made the same point about indieweb comments and replying to them ages ago. Having a reply, to a reply, as a new post seems odd
#[davidmead]though I do get the thinking behind it
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#petermolnarI've tried to hack this with WP, using an actual comment to reply to a reply
#petermolnarbut to reply to a remote post, it still had to be a post
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#aaronpki've added fragment ID support to my comment parsing (via XRay) so in theory someone could write a bunch of replies on the same page and send webmentions with fragment IDs to mee
#petermolnar(I did not succeed though because WP doesn't let you render render the comments under an actual permalink only under a url#frament)
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#sl007Hello everyone - I saw "Brighton" at the planning page and wonder what the status is because NOW I also saw this page https://mozillafestival.org/proposals which is 27th/28th October ???
#petermolnarsl007 I wanted to write a proposal to there but I didn't have time
#petermolnaras for Brighton, I tried to ping adactio, but so far I'm unaware of any plans :(
#sl007petermolnar now I saw that KnightFoundation sent me this URL 24hours before deadline - August 1th ;) how about pinging adactio now ? and aaronpk and tantek what do you think (if Mozilla would pay travel) I could quickly write a proposal (see above) …
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#sl007Hi tantek ! - got a mail with https://mozillafestival.org/proposals in London (see above) but ironically 24h before submission deadline. Do you know the status of "Brighton" and how do you think ?
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#sebselre comments having their own post: those of us who support IndieWeb liking have an even more 'empty' type of post. A like is nothing more than a URL and the fact that it is a like.
#sebselHaving likes on my site makes comments actually a more 'fuller' post type
#sebselBut I take it that people who are struggling with hosting their own outgoing comments, are not even considering hosting their own outgoing likes.
#ZegnatSome might want to treat likes like bookmarks, which could also be an easier sell than self-hosting comments
#ZegnatIt’s all up to what data someone wants to keep available on their own end
#sknebelI personally hate the fact that most micropub clients insist on treating likes and bookmarks as "empty"
#sebselI was thinking of that, indeed. Likes as an archive.
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#sebselsknebel You want to add more info to the like? I fetch the post via XRay, and actually download the image (if it's a photo) to my own site, not for display, but for archive.
#aaronpkthey have a name, as well as tags, and sometimes even content like a blockquote
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#jeremycherfasNot to stir up anything, aaronpk, buyt when I post a bookmark from Quill to Known, Known strips all the content. Not Quill’s fault, I realise.
#sebselI have them quite "empty" now too, but I've been wanting to change that for some while.
#sknebelsebsel: IMHO like could have a comment as well, and I'm pretty sure I've seen bookmark interfaces that didn't have a content field (but misremembered at least some cases, just re-checked some examples)
#sebselEspecially the "Optional note about why I bookmarked it"
#ZegnatMostly because of the way I author things. I write a note and slap the like-of on an A element
#sebselsknebel Hm, yeah, but my display of external likes on a post will drop the text. It will just display as a facepile. I think most consuming sites will drop that comment text.
#sl007petermolnar , ok. It would probably only make sense to write a proposal if we'd know how aaronpk, tantek and Jeremy think about location London and date in Oct. https://mozillafestival.org/proposals
#tantekwrite & submit a proposal first, worry about details like that later
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#sl007sebsel - just got specifications for the beamer which sounds pretty old fashioned 1024 x 768, 4 : 3 (yes, I know this already ;), "VGA" (sic) - not sure if it is because of a phone transmission failure between tech and Prof. who wrote me …
#sebselhaha, I don't have a VGA-to-Mac anymore... someone stole it years ago and I never brought a new one, cuz yeah
#tantekwell, on the bright side that means we should forge ahead with IWC NYC plans (GWG)
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#aaronpki keep thinking about this contention between the two worldviews of "own your comments" vs "i don't want to have to write in my own space to leave a comment"
#tantek"i don't want to have to write in my own space to leave a comment" == too ashamed of what they have to write
#sebselI think not adding the comments to your homepage feed / or even in a different "CMS" so to speak, might be an answer too, given that the way of posting to those can be streamlined with a micropub endpoint or something
#sebselBut it's worth capturing as a criticism, because it has come up a few times now
#tantekhuh - maybe that 1.2.2 should be renamed to "markup issues"
#tantekalso plenty of prior art here. people are used to doing this "in their own space" due to Tumblr, Twitter, Statusnet, Diaspora, Mastodon etc.
#sebselAh, reply = on your site, comment = display replies from other people.
#tantekit's kind of the trend, and I've yet to see a real use-case beyond "drive-by comments", which frankly I think are *good* to design against and discourage
#Loqisticker is either a real life IndieWeb sticker, or an often cartoony picture you can send in reply to or add to a post on some silo's https://indieweb.org/sticker
#tanteksebsel what's the difference between a sticker reply and a reacji?
#tantekor what's special about a sticker vs a photo reply?
#sebselA reacji has to be an emoji, right? A sticker can be any (proprietory(??)) image provided by the silo.
#LoqiA sticker is either a real life IndieWeb sticker, or an often cartoony picture you can send in reply to or add to a post on some silo's https://indieweb.org/sticker
#sebselI still think stickers are really close to IndieWeb photo replies and should not be treaded special in the pluming way. But I've got plenty of distinctions in how they are used on Silo's to say that they are indeed their own thing there.
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#gRegorLoveYeah, seems like those are albums of photo replies you can use, which is a convenient UI for replying.
#sebselyeah, stickers are often limited in availability, and having your own site makes things quite limitless, but unlocking new stickers in your convenient UI might bring the same feeling across.
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#gRegorLoveGiphy.com makes replying with GIFs easier. I think that's what Twitter uses. I know Peach does/did use it, too.