#indieweb 2017-08-14

2017-08-14 UTC
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DanC_ hm. I can't seem set it up to store photos somewhere that google won't back them up
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DanC_ but it does let me choose which folder to save to, so this is promising
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Hey, look who is a headline speaker for this year's World Hosting Days USA! #DreamHost #IndieWeb http://worldhostingdays.com/usa/speakers/" by Jonathan LaCour on 2017-08-14 https://cleverdevil.io/2017/hey-look-who-is-a-headline-speaker-for-this-years
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@cleverdevil Hey, look who is a headline speaker for this year's World Hosting Days USA! #DreamHost #IndieWeb http://worldhostingdays.com/usa/speakers/ (twitter.com/_/status/896895625844969472)
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@davewiner The storage system that the #indieweb needs to grow. http://scripting.com/2017/08/13.html#a094412 (twitter.com/_/status/896937661126115328)
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@ryf_feed What's needed to make the #indieweb thrive https://github.com/scripting/Scripting-News/issues/21 (twitter.com/_/status/896970712879181824)
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@SecNewsBot Hacker News - What's needed to make the #indieweb thrive https://github.com/scripting/Scripting-News/issues/21 (twitter.com/_/status/896972030599467008)
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jeremycherfas Good morning IndieWeb
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@adammonago The #indieweb storage system http://scripting.com/2017/08/13.html%23a094412 (twitter.com/_/status/897066355232473090)
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cweiske Loqi, you broke the # in that url
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cweiske a HTML export plugin for nextcloud would give us the solution
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jeremycherfas To be honest, cweiske, I think I may be too dumb to understand what the real problem is.
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cweiske there was discussion about dropbox and their publish-via-http feature that is disabled now
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cweiske people that do not want to host their own webserver
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cweiske but want to publish html documents somewhere
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jeremycherfas I thought you were specifically referring to Dave Winer’s post; sorry.
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cweiske yes
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cweiske dave winer's post is in the same area
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jeremycherfas Right. I think I understand his point about allowing your preferred developer access to improve whatever it is you are doing, but that’s the bit that really had me thinking.
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@grabaperch We're keen to bring more #indieweb features to Perch - let us know what you want to see https://perchrunway.com/blog/2017-08-01-being-part-of-the-indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/897077190243876864)
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cweiske .. unfortunately their blog doesn't support webmentions yet :/
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jeremycherfas The obvious thing to do then is write a lengthy list of things you would like to see on your blog and then drop them a one line: Implement webmentions.
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Zegnat Weird that they wouldn’t turn it on for their own site … https://docs.grabaperch.com/addons/blog/webmentions/
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aaronpk Save clearly doesn't want suggestions, (based on his comments in that github thread) but Micropub + IndieAuth is the second half of his post
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aaronpk s/Save/Dave
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cweiske aaronpk, why does loqi not interpret s/ commands anymore?
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aaronpk 2 reasons. Loqi doesn't have access to the irc logs anymore, and people seemed split as to whether it was actually a useful feature vs just noise so I haven't prioritized bringing it back
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waynr is there a list of indieweb blog/article comment systems somewher?
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Here's the third in a series of new NPM packages I've produced in the last few months. This one is called githubpub. It's close to the ideal for the #indieweb storage system. You put your web content in GitHub repositories, and they are served directly from there from the public API, with a domain name associated with each site. It's not as easy as Dropbox, and requires a bunch of setup, probably not something for end users, but a bunch of the pieces are there and work." on 2017-08-14 http://scripting.com/2017/08/14.html#a103743
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aaronpk waynr: funny enough I can't find a list of them, but https://indieweb.org/Disqus is one
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aaronpk i think probably because most people here use webmentions to receive comments from other blogs, and/or have local comments on their site https://indieweb.org/local_comments
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cweiske waynr, https://indieweb.org/reply#Comments_Embeds
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aaronpk cweiske++ good find. not sure why I didn't think to check /reply, I only looked at /comment
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Loqi cweiske has 91 karma in this channel (109 overall)
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cweiske I knew I added juvia at some point
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waynr cool, i wonder how hard it would be to support a dual disqus/webmention approach
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@tomwiththeweath Join us tonight at 7pm @CapitalFactory for "Building the Indieweb" https://www.meetup.com/EFF-Austin/events/241601607/ (twitter.com/_/status/897139073168678914)
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[kevinmarks] Anyone here going to that?
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tbbrown i am. :)
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sknebel ;)
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[miklb] anyone ping manton about that?
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tbbrown yes, i think he plans to attend
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@johnjohnston Re: Chris Aldrich on making the IndieWeb easier for Generation 2 users?: http://johnjohnston.info/blog/re-chris-aldrich-on-making-the-indieweb-easier-for-generation-2-users/ (twitter.com/_/status/897163378300465153)
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@sdepolo ? #indieweb RT @SmallBizOpinion A8) Vimeo, youtube, social media, but remember blab, keep your videos on your website. #bizapaloozachat (twitter.com/_/status/897168323644936192)
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@ScotEduBlogs Re: Chris Aldrich on making the IndieWeb easier for Generation 2 users? http://johnjohnston.info/blog/re-chris-aldrich-on-making-the-indieweb-easier-for-generation-2-users/ https://twitter.com/ScotEduBlogs/status/897184859432525824/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/897184859432525824)
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tantek good day #indieweb!
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snarfed hey tantek
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tantek checks logs for what's new
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tantek Perch++ for https://twitter.com/grabaperch/status/897077190243876864
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Loqi perch has 2 karma in this channel (3 overall)
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@grabaperch We're keen to bring more #indieweb features to Perch - let us know what you want to see https://buff.ly/2w5TrDZ (twitter.com/_/status/897077190243876864)
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tantek What is Perch
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Loqi Perch and Perch Runway are a content management systems based on PHP+MySQL https://indieweb.org/Perch
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tantek tomwiththeweath++ for https://www.meetup.com/EFF-Austin/events/241601607/
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Loqi tomwiththeweath has 1 karma
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tantek interesting aaronpk cweiske I wonder if Comments_Embeds belongs more on /comments
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aaronpk the /reply page is supposed to encompass more than specifically comments, and these comment embed things are usually limited to comments and don't have things like "likes" so, i think yes
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tantek also this is part of the reply vs comment distinction
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tantek odd that https://indieweb.org/reply#Silo_Examples is a stub
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tantek done. and expanded ^^^ that a bit also
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tantek left a forwarding section in place so the /reply#Comments_Embeds link still works
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tantek this is a good post: http://johnjohnston.info/blog/re-chris-aldrich-on-making-the-indieweb-easier-for-generation-2-users/
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Loqi [john] Re: Chris Aldrich on making the IndieWeb easier for Generation 2 users?
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@EchoChamberUncu Re: Chris Aldrich on making the IndieWeb easier for Generation 2 users? | john https://educationechochamberuncut.wordpress.com/2017/08/14/re-chris-aldrich-on-making-the-indieweb-easier-for-generation-2-users-john/ (twitter.com/_/status/897199328145625089)
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tantek "Perhaps shorter how-toos that don’t link off too much" <-- remember what I was saying about keeping how tos short and local (not somewhere else) e.g. re: selfauth. -> #indieweb-meta
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tantek Yes: "…it did help me realise that I’ve made some progress, enjoyed it and will continue. I don’t need to build my space in a day."
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@rretsiem Working and now also proper display of Webmentions! Proof: https://renem.net/post/2017-08-12-weniger-social-media-mehr-mensch/ #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/897205213781774336)
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Loqi [superfeedr] "14/08/2017, 22:33" by Colin Walker on 2017-08-14 https://colinwalker.blog/2017/08/14/14082017-2233/
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Loqi [superfeedr] "14/08/2017, 22:41" by Colin Walker on 2017-08-14 https://colinwalker.blog/2017/08/14/14082017-2241/
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gRegorLove Good afternoon, indieweb
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tantek good afternoon gRegorLove !
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gRegorLove snarfed, aaronpk: Was there a change in granary re: u-photo? Noticed the Atom for my notes duplicated a photo
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aaronpk yep, granary now adds the u-photo to the atom feed if it isn't there already
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snarfed sigh yes. details in https://github.com/snarfed/granary/issues/113 . it tries to de-dupe, but evidently not well enough
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Loqi [aaronpk] #113 Include mf2 photo in Atom content?
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snarfed apologies for the trouble
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gRegorLove No worries. I honestly don't even know if anyone subscribes to my /notes Atom
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gRegorLove I just have it in Woodwind to test.
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gRegorLove Can add a comment there if you want a data point
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aaronpk relatedly, my http://micro.blog/aaronpk profile looks a lot better now :)
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snarfed small victories
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snarfed ah i see the problem, de-duping doesn't canonicalize urls. will do. thanks for the report gRegorLove
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aaronpk heh cute idea for home page design http://jasonpark.me/
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aaronpk also nice that it at least renders normal with JS, tho does require JS to open the folders
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tantek what is a homepage
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Loqi Your homepage represents you on the web, typically at the top of your domain, and shows your name and an iconic representation, often marked up with h-card https://indieweb.org/homepage
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tantek aaronpk: maybe worth adding to https://indieweb.org/homepage#Simple_Homepages ?
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KartikPrabhu "simple" !
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tantek yeah it looks pretty simple, what do you mean by simple that makes you "!" ?
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aaronpk haha
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aaronpk i wouldn't even know where to start to make that happen
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Loqi awesome
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aaronpk but it is conceptually simple i guess
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tantek user-model simple
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tantek which is what makes it a good example
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KartikPrabhu forgetting about "simple to make" it took me about 3 clicks to open up a project
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tantek uh what happens in the terminal window?!?
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tantek ls
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aaronpk wow
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aaronpk wonders how many people type `rm -rf /` into that
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[tantek] Wow, this has IndieWeb implications, especially with regards to hosting: https://www.dreamhost.com/blog/we-fight-for-the-users/
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[cleverdevil] Its been... stressful.
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gRegorLove aaronpk: Guessing at least 1 more today? :)
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gRegorLove Heh, the forward slash brings up quick find in Firefox so interferes
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gRegorLove Huh, interesting. https://twitter.com/bradheath/status/897204471222198272
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@bradheath Federal court says LinkedIn *must* allow a company to scrape users' public profiles, orders it to remove technical barriers within 24 hours. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DHOCi1NWAAAVZE4.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/897204471222198272)
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tantek whoa that is interesting
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[miklb] I’m so glad I deleted that years ago.
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tantek miklb deleted your linkedin?
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[miklb] yes
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tantek what year?
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[miklb] Don’t recall. It’s been a long time.
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tantek ok :)
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gRegorLove What is linkedin?
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Loqi LinkedIn is a special-purpose silo for hosting your professional resume, history, and contacts https://indieweb.org/LinkedIn
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@manton2 Down at Capital Factory for the EFF meetup and @tomwiththeweather’s talk about the IndieWeb. https://www.meetup.com//EFF-Austin/events/241601607/ (twitter.com/_/status/897246352220008448)
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