#indieweb 2017-09-04

2017-09-04 UTC
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Event" on 2017-09-03 http://tantek.com/2017/249/e1/homebrew-website-club
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tantek oh yeah - no time for figuring out Atom "event" posts. unless someone can point to docs on how to do it
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tantek has anyone ever published an ActivityStream "Event" post ever anywhere? URL?
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[miklb] what is ActivityStream
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "ActivityStream" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek what is ActivityStreams
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Loqi ActivityStreams (AS) is a standardization effort to define common types of objects and actions (verbs) taken on various social media sites https://indieweb.org/ActivityStreams
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tantek ActivityStream is /ActivityStreams
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Loqi ok
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[miklb] filing that away for future reference. My goal now with my main site is to be strictly a profile/timeline. Still fleshing out my thought process on that as I build the satellites.
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@dxb_biz @AccessibleJoe @yatil @nandnz @wordpressdotcom @indiewebcamp @Twitter thank you for advice (twitter.com/_/status/904596929509777410)
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jeremycherfas Morning IndieWeb
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@calum_ryan HWC London September 6th. Register on the new event website: https://hwclondon.co.uk/meetups/20170906 #IndieWeb cc: @loopdouble @hotzeplotz (twitter.com/_/status/904610707592839168)
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Repost of Sebastian Greger's Homebrew Website Club Berlin #13 on 7 Sep 2017" by Andreas Petersell on 2017-09-04 http://www.petersell.com/2017/repost-of-sebastian-gregers-homebrew-website-club-berlin-13-on
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j4y_funabashi morning all
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sebsel morning :)
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sl007 morning !
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jeremycherfas Schmarty I can’t seem to find details in the BBC fork of audiogram how to add subtitles. Can you point me in the right direction
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jeremycherfas I found this http://bbcnewslabs.co.uk/2017/05/22/audiograms-updates/
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jeremycherfas But it doesn’t have real details. Maybe just download and try.
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jeremycherfas !tell schmarty All moot as even after installation will not actually complete loading in my browser.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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schmarty Good morning IndieWeb
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Loqi schmarty: jeremycherfas left you a message 13 minutes ago: All moot as even after installation will not actually complete loading in my browser.
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schmarty !tell jeremycherfas the BBC version of Audiogram Generator was much more tricky to set up. I had to change our disable several config options and strip out code that expects some of their services to exist.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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schmarty !tell jeremycherfas I plan to release my fork with instructions once I replace the chunk of code that tries to get a transcript from their servers. I have a hacky workaround at the moment that is not reasonable to expect folks to do. :)
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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jeremycherfas Schmarty I’m glad you were able to make it work; I never could. So I’ll look forward to your fork and, in the meantime, delete it. I did have a go at Gentle, and it is pretty amazing. I guess I would need to edit the CSV it produces to get reasonable subtitles, but definitely worth knowing about. Thanks.
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Loqi jeremycherfas: schmarty left you a message 34 minutes ago: the BBC version of Audiogram Generator was much more tricky to set up. I had to change our disable several config options and strip out code that expects some of their services to exist.
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Loqi jeremycherfas: schmarty left you a message 31 minutes ago: I plan to release my fork with instructions once I replace the chunk of code that tries to get a transcript from their servers. I have a hacky workaround at the moment that is not reasonable to expect folks to do. :)
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sl007 T - 4 days :: There are currently six seats left https://indieweb.org/2017/Dortmund ? CAMPFIRE - Festival for journalism http://campfirefestival.org
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aaronpk Has anyone else looked at instagram's multi photo posts much?
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aaronpk Theres a bit of analysis on the wiki
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aaronpk https://indieweb.org/multi-photo#Instagram
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jeremycherfas All I know is that the RSS feed from Granary delivers each photo
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aaronpk I haven't even posted any on Instagram yet so I'm also not super familiar with how people use them
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aaronpk Okay upon further review of multi photos from people I'm following it looks like it's less complicated than the wiki description indicates
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@EmreSokullu 10. yil BarCamp'imiz bir IndieWebCamp olacak. IndieWebCamp 2017 (https://indieweb.org/2017/Istanbul) onkayit adresi: https://ti.to/indieweb-istanbul/2017 (twitter.com/_/status/904723057608155136)
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sl007 https://indieweb.org/2017/Istanbul
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@EmreSokullu @arifmln Tesekkurler destek icin. Email nedir? IndieWebCamp 2017 icin Slack daveti atayim. (twitter.com/_/status/904726977453678592)
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@EmreSokullu @serdalkepil Tesekkurler destek icin. Email nedir? IndieWebCamp 2017 icin Slack daveti atayim. (twitter.com/_/status/904727061847212038)
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tantek and I just got "blocked" on FB for using a feature too much or "too fast"
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tantek I think due to the errant duplicate events and event creations yesterday :(
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aaronpk Blocked by what?
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aaronpk Facebook?
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tantek blocked from sending invitations to events
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aaronpk Wow
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tantek yes by the UI itself
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tantek total silos gonna silo
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tantek took screenshots, now trying to figure out how to document
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tantek it's like an anti-feature of sorts
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tantek UI throttling?
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tantek also not my fault since FB itself kept erroring out when I tried to create the POSSE event last night
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aaronpk interesting, so not blocked from using Facebook altogether, just from the specific feature?
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tantek yes
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tantek it started with this last night: https://indieweb.org/create#FB_Warning_Slow_Down
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tantek which only happened because of these "Something went wrong" errors: https://indieweb.org/create#FB_Something_went_wrong
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aaronpk So bad error handling on their part leading to you accidentally creating a bunch of events because you thought it didn't go through?
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tantek exactly
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tantek when you dismiss the "Something went wrong" alert/overlay, it leaves you on the same "Create Event" screen, so I just kept trying like 10 times
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tantek which resulted in this: https://indieweb.org/create#FB_Went_Wrong_But_Created_Event :( :( :(
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tantek along with auto-inviting 150+ people TO EACH ONE because that's what "Duplicate Event" does
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tantek so I think that's what their systems woke up to - too many invitations
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tantek I can only imagine how annoyed people were to receive like 10 event invitations for the same thing, and then 9 "event deleted" notifications
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tantek I'm assuming that happened
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tantek if someone here has a screenshot of their notifications stream with all the invitations / deletions, I'd appreciate seeing it
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aaronpk whoa that's crazy
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tantek when silos stop scaling
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aaronpk oh now i remember the reason i was putting off multi-photos in ownyourgram
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aaronpk it's possible to create a post on instagram with a combination of photos and videos
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aaronpk but right now we use the "photo" property for the still-frame preview of video posts
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aaronpk also since microformats pulls out video and photo properties separately, there isn't a way to represent the original ordering of mixed photos and videos in microformats
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tantek aaronpk - right, we don't have a multi-photo+video post type anywhere
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tantek IGs multi-posts are somewhere between a multi-photo and a photo album
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aaronpk i'm having trouble finding a similarity to albumns
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aaronpk they seem equivalent to twitter's multi photo posts except that each photo is shown by itself rather than tiled like twitter's.
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tantek Twitter shows each photo by itself if you click on them - with left/right arrows
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tantek to nav among them
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aaronpk ah right. so even more similar then
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tantek Twitter just has that "extra" feature of showing a tiled summary
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tantek similarly Swarm
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[kevinmarks] I want to post a sequence to instagram, but its UI won't let me browse well enough
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[kevinmarks] https://photos.app.goo.gl/zGoRnN2sxwNXpg9W2
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tantek kevinmarks, js;dr ^^^ :(
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tantek googlephotos--
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Loqi googlephotos has -1 karma
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[kevinmarks] I could post them on my site but munging them down to a sensible size is annoying
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tantek can you link directly to the JPGs so the rest of us don't have to pfaff about with all the nonsense bloated JS from Google?
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[kevinmarks] i was just trying to upload to flickr and it insistes I change may password
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tantek yes that's from when yahoo's pw db was stolen
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tantek they did a mass pw reset on all yahoo accounts
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tantek that's worth changing
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tantek I had to do it too
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aaronpk so i don't know how to proceed here
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tantek what's your goal?
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aaronpk well the immediate challenge is adding support for instagram's multi-photos to ownyourgram
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aaronpk i thought i had a path forward but then realized that instagram posts can combine photos and videos, and now there isn't an equivalent for that on my site or in microformats
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tantek it's much worse than that
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tantek even without videos, we don't have a way to do per-photo person-tags in a multi-photo, which you can also do in IG multi-photo posts
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tantek I've personally struggled with that with *manually* POSSEing to IGT
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tantek IG*
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[kevinmarks] https://www.flickr.com/photos/kevinmarks/albums/72157685612585561
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aaronpk that's a later problem
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[kevinmarks] is that js;dr as well?
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aaronpk gotta have multi photos on my site at all before i can worry about person tagging them
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tantek aaronpk - it's not a later problem for me - that's the first one I ran into personally in real world examples
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tantek kevinmarks not sure because I think I whitelisted some of Flickr's JS because it wasn't too offensive big or slow
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tantek offensively*
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tantek nice progression kevinmarks!
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[kevinmarks] now I need to wait until it snows and go back then
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aaronpk huh i don't see person tags on your latest instagram multiphoto at all
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tantek aaronpk that's because I started to give up :(
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aaronpk ah
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tantek oh wait really? I thought I did because the same two people were in multiple photos
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aaronpk they seem to be manually tagged in the description referencing the photos by number
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tantek ohhh I person-tagged the original http://tantek.com/2017/211/t1/last-sunday-finished-first-marathon
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Loqi [Tantek Çelik] a jpg. a jpg. a jpg. a jpg. ?? Enjoy yourself they said. So we did. #TSFM2017 #nofilter Last Sunday my pal @ZoeSchiffer and I finished our first marathon. Full race write-up coming soon, here’s a few more photos for now. 1. “When we were ... https://igx.4sqi.net/img/general/original/476_MqdY7QLN8tQFRO9Auzh0PH0TyUluqDyI6wc0RNBYTAk.jpg
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tantek just checked the IG photo has persontags!
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aaronpk ok what am i missing... i thought there's normally a person icon in the bottom left corner of the image when it's person-tagged
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tantek I think they got rid of that?
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aaronpk how do you see the person tags then?
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aaronpk aha i see them on the phone!
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aaronpk they don't show up on desktop at all
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tantek IG desktop web UI lags their native app UIs
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[kevinmarks] that first one needed HDR
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tantek kevinmarks indeed - no HDR on the back facing camera on iPod touch
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tantek switching to dev for "how do you represent this" type problems
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@__scientist__ Heyecan verici bir etkinlik !! @EmreSokullu Detaylar burada ?? https://indieweb.org/2017/Istanbul (twitter.com/_/status/904783332252278784)
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tantek good afternoon #indieweb, I have a great generation 3/4 question to pass along:
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tantek "I need a new website... who should I work with??"
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tantek that's exactly the kind of question that I would really like to see both welcomed here and discussed here (in the main #indieweb channel)
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tantek (to be clear I think it's actually a pretty challenging question to answer well, given the spectrum of possibilities)
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tantek nonetheless, it's exactly the kind of user-centric question we should try to answer
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snarfed tantek++ agreed
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snarfed i (still) like the framing and q's at the top of https://indieweb.org/web_hosting . they help narrow down based on the individual situation
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snarfed the whole page actually seems pretty decent. (we might want to tone down the tumblr recommendation, it's backslid a bit...but otherwise page content seems good.)
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gRegorLove Yeah, with Yahoo at the helm of Tumblr the future seems iffy.
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schmarty is there still a Yahoo? I thought the name was going to be changed to Oath
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snarfed people will use both interchangeably for years to come
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snarfed and not just future, tumblr's already gotten flakier over the last yr or so. see e.g. all the recent problems added on http://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Tumblr&action=history
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snarfed also the new bad link rewriting, https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/609
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Loqi [antipolar] #609 Tumblr Rewriting URLs
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tantek yeah that's good enough reason to de-emphasize Tumblr for any new websites for sure
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tantek it may (still?) be more usable, but has just enough frustrations / unreliability that it's likely to get more problematic, not less
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tantek snarfed, agreed that /web_hosting is a good start but I wonder how discoverable that is
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tantek what is a website
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "website" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek ?
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tantek what is a blindspot?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "blindspot" yet. Would you like to create it?
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@no_identd @RobinGood https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Amasternewmedia.org+indieweb that left me a tad bit disappointed. Do you know about/of @indiewebcamp ? (twitter.com/_/status/904832473317695489)
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@mrkrndvs This Week in the #IndieWeb - a weekly update incl. an audio summary https://indieweb.org/this-week/ (twitter.com/_/status/904838324761833476)
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tantek really curious how these folks are finding out about the indieweb
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Repost of Sebastian Greger's Homebrew Website Club Berlin #13 on 7 Sep 2017" by Andreas Petersell on 2017-09-04 http://petersell.com/2017/repost-of-sebastian-gregers-homebrew-website-club-berlin-13-on
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sl007 Hey Zegnat - will you attend IWC Istanbul ?
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