#indieweb 2017-09-05

2017-09-05 UTC
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bdesham
I'm writing a client-side web app that needs to be able to retrieve web pages (from arbitrary servers) and parse microformats2 from them
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bdesham
in general, CORS prevents you from being able to use AJAX
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[miklb]
I’m sure this has been done before and is documented, just not sure where to look. I am going to set up 2 satellite blogs for specific content, and use my main domain as strictly notes/photos/checkins etc and be a public web profile/timeline. Can I add those sites to use for bridgy, indieauth, etc with my existing GitHub or Twitter login?
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bdesham
is there a hosted, publicly-usable API that will take an URL as input and return the microformats it finds?
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aaronpk
bdesham: try microformats.io or xray.p3k.io
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aaronpk
[miklb]: the relmeauth part will require that your twitter link to one site so you can't really use it with multiple domains. But your secondary domains could link to a secondary IndieAuth server like selfauth
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bdesham
aaronpk: hmm. microformats.io doesn't seem to issue the CORS headers I'd need, and X-Ray doesn't find my h-adr data :-|
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[miklb]
aaronpk thanks. I’ll take a look. It’s actually been awhile since I’ve set up indieauth/bridgy stuff I don’t remember what is entailed. Probably a good exercise.
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aaronpk
bdesham: yeah XRay is a little more than a parser
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tantek
I'm pretty pleased with this multi-rsvp to the original event on the domain of the theater, the FB POSSE copy, and their tweet about it: http://tantek.com/2017/247/t1/going-to-serenity-movie-party
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Loqi
[Tantek Çelik] going to Serenity Movie Party tonight 19:00 @DrafthouseSF! https://drafthouse.com/sf/show/syfy-presents-serenity-movie-party
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tantek
no webmention support at drafthouse.com but Falcon called the Twitter API to thread the RSVP to their announcement tweet, and used Bridgy to RSVP to the FB event.
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snarfed
bdesham: you can use e.g. https://anyorigin.com/ to get CORS headers on any site
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bdesham
snarfed: sure, but I'm a little wary of proxying data through a random service like that
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bdesham
hmm. looks like https://unrelenting.technology/mf2/ might have an endpoint I can use
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bdesham
ah, drat. that endpoint only takes HTML as input; it won't go fetch some URL for me
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aaronpk
bdesham: are you trying to avoid running your own? it wouldn't be hard to take one of the parsers from microformats.io and modify it to return the CORS header
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bdesham
aaronpk: yeah, I'm 100% just trying to avoid running my own :-)
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bdesham
I'm kind of just prototyping something now, so I'd prefer to lean on a backend that someone else is hosting already
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bdesham
but candidly, I do have the expertise and means to run my own
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aaronpk
i don't think anyone is running one that they expect to be used in a production environment like that. I consider https://pin13.net/mf2/ a debugging tool more than something I'd recommend people use in an app
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bdesham
that's fair. my idea right now is to spin up my own backend before I ever let anyone else see this
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bdesham
since, like you said, it doesn't seem that any of the existing mf2 parsing APIs are intended to be relied on by other developers' tools
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bdesham
(and quite reasonably so!)
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@sjockers
Free and open to everyone! Join this week’s #IndieWebCamp in Dortmund and learn about open web principles & tech! https://indieweb.org/2017/Dortmund
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tantek
hmm a lot of dev talk up above
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tantek
what is client-side
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "client-side" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indieweb.org/s/10sV
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tantek
what is a client-side web app
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "client-side web app" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indieweb.org/s/10sW
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tantek
what is CORS
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Loqi
CORS is an acronym for "cross-origin resource sharing," a mechanism for allowing browsers to make JavaScript requests to fetch resources from other domains https://indieweb.org/CORS
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tantek
and I'm a little on the fence as to whether setting up Bridgy is dev-specific or general
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snarfed1
?! um general i hope
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tantek
I suppose since users of Bridgy need to understand it to feel confident authorizing it - it ought to be something we make simple enough for users to understand and use
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snarfed1
with >4k users i expect at least some are non-engineers
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tantek
thanks for confirming that goal snarfed
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tantek
at least for Bridgy Backfeed
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snarfed
well more than a goal, i personally know a number of non-eng users, >10 at least
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tantek
Bridgy publish feels more like a dev-centric API
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snarfed
at least power user, tech comfortable, yes
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tantek
"power user" is a good way to put it. that does sound like gen 2 though.
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tantek
whereas I'd expect Bridgy backfeed to be something we try to make gen 3 accessible
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tantek
maybe even gen 4
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tantek
again, I'm hypothesizing here, curious what your objectives are
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snarfed
yup. i believe it's at least gen 3 now. the stumbling blocks if any are on the webmention receiving side
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tantek
I think it's reasonable to put that responsibility (webmention receiving) on their CMS
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tantek
such that if there are any problems with it, it's clear that those issues should be filied with whoever is supporting the CMS
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tantek
in looking at https://indieweb.org/generations I think "power user" does fit in with gen 2. no need to be a developer, and yet, you need to be a bit more savvy than just someone using a 3rd party to manage your domain/site for you
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tantek
what is a power user
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "power user" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indieweb.org/s/10sX
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Loqi
[superfeedr] "More on comments, platforms and the indieweb" by Colin Walker on 2017-09-05 https://colinwalker.blog/2017/09/05/more-on-comments-platforms-and-the-indieweb/
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[kevinmarks]
Bdesham: unmung.com would be easy to run your own copy of on appengine free tier
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Loqi
[kevinmarks] unmung: turn feeds into h-feeds
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Zegnat
!tell sl007 I will not travel to attend IWC Istanbul, but if there are remote options I will obviously try to attend that way.
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[colinwalker]
Morning indieweb
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jeremycherfas
Good Morning IndieWeb
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petermolnar
[kevinmarks] the truly sad aspect is that current frontend devs consider the extra 200KB js percetly fine, because it's cached, not even remotely considering, that caching is only a network relief - it's still eating memory and cpu for breakfast.
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petermolnar
I'm astonished how js devs believe ludicrously size js is fine
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petermolnar
imagine what 200KB of C code can do...
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sl007
Hello everybody - so excited, packing stuff for https://indieweb.org/2017/Dortmund ? CAMPFIRE - Festival for journalism : http://campfirefestival.org
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Loqi
sl007: Zegnat left you a message 3 hours, 1 minute ago: I will not travel to attend IWC Istanbul, but if there are remote options I will obviously try to attend that way.
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jjuran
petermolnar: When I became a Macintosh owner, I was proud of how many icons I had marching across my screen at startup.
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jjuran
Then I discovered extension conflicts.
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jjuran
“Lean and mean” might be an acquired taste.
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Loqi
[superfeedr] "“in the long run — to paraphrase Keynes — proprietary software projects are all dead.” http://dtrace.org/blogs/bmc/2017/09/04/the-sudden-death-and-eternal-life-of-solaris/ #indieweb" by Kevin Marks on 2017-09-05 http://known.kevinmarks.com/2017/in-the-long-run-to-paraphrase-keynes-proprietary-software-projects
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@kevinmarks
“in the long run — to paraphrase Keynes — proprietary software projects are all dead.” http://dtrace.org/blogs/bmc/2017/09/04/the-sudden-death-and-eternal-life-of-solaris/ #indieweb
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petermolnar
I remember KDE3. It was a christmas tree with everything bouncing and moving and I ran away. Unfortunately, while google material design looks lean and mean, it's one of the worst resouce hog I've seen so far.
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@schmarty
Here's an interview with @rabble from the most recent This Week in the #IndieWeb! ? Full Episode: https://martymcgui.re/2017/09/02/112010/
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@schmarty
Here's an interview with @rabble from the most recent This Week in the #IndieWeb Podcast! ? Full Episode:… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/905069069661077504
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jeremycherfas
!tell schmarty @lowi seems to be leaving the final character off those links
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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aaronpk
what's wrong?
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jeremycherfas
Each of the links ^^^ is missing a final character.
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jeremycherfas
The t.co links
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aaronpk
it looks like he deleted the first tweet
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jeremycherfas
Yes, but the second tweet, the link as given by Loqi ends 7750 and it should end 77504
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sknebel
jeremycherfas: no it doesn't?
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sknebel
I see 77504
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jeremycherfas
Unless that’s my IRC client …
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aaronpk
i think maybe that's just your IRC client
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jeremycherfas
You see the 4 inside the link?
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schmarty
i also see 77504 at the end
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Loqi
schmarty: jeremycherfas left you a message 4 minutes ago: @lowi seems to be leaving the final character off those links
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schmarty
also apologies for the double-post. i forgot to attach the video the first time ?
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jeremycherfas
Wow. It is my client. That’s pretty strange, isn’t it? I use Colloquy
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jeremycherfas
I’m not that in love with Colloquy. What’s a better alternative I could try?
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aaronpk
I also like Limechat on osx
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jeremycherfas
Let me look
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sebsel
jeremycherfas there is an emoji in there
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sebsel
That could throw your client off
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jeremych_
sebsel Yes. My client does not show the emoji
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jeremych_
Erk, better quit Colloquy
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jeremych_
So, am I still here?
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[miklb]
jeremycherfas Textual is a great macOS IRC client
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sebsel
is on Textual too and liking it
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jeremycherfas
I'll look. Limechat is a bit too hackerspace for my taste.
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[miklb]
though I admit I use Slack for some much other stuff, I’ve stopped running both IRC and it, just Slack.
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[miklb]
s/some/so/
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jeremycherfas
I think the one thing I like about IRC over Slack is linking back to past posts. I never did get the hang of that in Slack
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petermolnar
hexchat all the way down
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petermolnar
(yes, it can talk to witches)
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sebsel
Just see http://indieweb.org/IRC#Install_an_IRC_app :) (I'll add Textual there too)
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sknebel
hm, two lists of clients on that page?
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sebsel
Oh hey. Maybe we should get rid of one indeed.
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[miklb]
jeremycherfas I just use the web chat log if I need to link back to something.
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[miklb]
but not selling one over the other.
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jeremycherfas
So far, preferring the look of Textual
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petermolnar
I'll merge them
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jeremycherfas
Does the + in front of your name [miklb] indicate that you are bridged from Slack?
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[miklb]
I think so. Can’t see it since I’m in Slack. But same as IRC users have “APP” beside their name in Slack.
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Loqi
[amfeng] textual-campfire: Campfire-esque Textual IRC Theme
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sebsel
Meh, merge conflicts on /IRC :(
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[miklb]
hmm, I think there is a newer version
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sebsel
leaves petermolnar to it
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petermolnar
github theme repos without screenshot, I love those
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jeremycherfas
[miklb] Someone thought the same in 2012; no reply yet ...
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jeremycherfas
Ooops, that should have been for petermolnar
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sknebel
jeremycherfas: the + is probably for "voiced", which here happens for ppl Loqi recognized from /irc-people
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[miklb]
oh, right. IRC does [miklb] for Slack users I think?
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sknebel
(so me, seb, peter, ... all also should appear with + if it is voice)
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sebsel
(aaron and tantek and loqi probably have an @ because they are operators)
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sebsel
gives Loqi an @
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Loqi
hearts the @
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Loqi
[superfeedr] "Crossed the wide Pecos ..." by Jeremy Cherfas on 2017-09-03 https://stream.jeremycherfas.net/2017/crossed-the-wide-pecos
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snarfed
re GDPR q's a bit ago (cc KevinMarks), here's a good infographic explainer (pdf): https://www.teachprivacy.com/wp-content/uploads/GDPR-Whiteboard-TeachPrivacy-Privacy-Awareness-Training-1.pdf
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bdesham
KevinMarks: thanks for the unmung suggestion!
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tantek
it looks like my Skype account was deleted
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tantek
what is Skype
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Loqi
Skype is a communication service that provides text chat, and audio/video calling service via native applications on desktop (Mac, Windows), and mobile (iOS, Android) https://indieweb.org/Skype
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tantek
the last notification I got from them via email was 2016-08-02
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tantek
and now their sign-in UI claims "That Microsoft account doesn't exist. Enter a different account or get a new one."
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tantek
"You have 1 Skype account(s) for ... Select your account then sign in or reset your password."
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tantek
wow looks like lots of people's skype accounts were hacked and used to send URLs to spam or other nasty things
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tantek
if you have a Skype account I recommend changing your pw
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[cleverdevil]
Made some progress on my Trader Vic's project this weekend ?
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[cleverdevil]
Brushing off the 'ole design cap is always fun.
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Zegnat
Good morning IndieWeb :)
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[kevinmarks]
good old Zapfino
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[cleverdevil]
I'm not sold on it, here, but it was a script that I knew off the top of my head.
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[kevinmarks]
I still think using ⅕ works better then 1/5
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[cleverdevil]
I think you're right. I'll likely go through and convert as many of the fractions as possible to HTML entities.
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[cleverdevil]
Or straight up utf-8 characters, actually.
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[kevinmarks]
Zapfino has a lot of swash variants, though I don't know how you get them on the web
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[cleverdevil]
I'm particularly pleased with the table of measurements... getting it to match the basic look of the book was a challenge with CSS.
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[cleverdevil]
Its a little bit of a hack, but hey, so it most of the web ?
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[kevinmarks]
I met the chap who made Zapfino when I was at Apple - he said after they made the first pass and sent it to Zapf, he gave them lots more variants to play with (it was based on his handwriting)
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[kevinmarks]
in textedit you can get at the variants with command-T, then the typography sub-pane, stylistic variants tab
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[cleverdevil]
Nice, I’ll see if I can make those work in my project.
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@rachelandrew
And we care a lot about things like owning your own content https://perchrunway.com/blog/2017-08-01-being-part-of-the-indieweb so I’d love for you to check it out!
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[cleverdevil]
No luck so far, kevinmarks.
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[cleverdevil]
There are a few features in CSS that enable this, but I can't grok them yet.
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[kevinmarks]
This is typography black arts certainly.
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[cleverdevil]
Specifically, `font-variant-alternates` and `font-features`.
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[cleverdevil]
I love it so much.
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[cleverdevil]
I have a very soft spot for typography ?
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[kevinmarks]
OpenType has the glyphs, I think they also issued them as multiple fonts for other formats
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[cleverdevil]
So, the version of Zapfino I have on my macOS machine is TrueType.
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[cleverdevil]
I think that's the version that ships with macOS.
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[cleverdevil]
Yup, too bad I don't have the OpenType version, and its commercial ?
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[cleverdevil]
Also, seems most of the features don't work in Safari.
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[manton]
Just curious, does someone here own website.club? Seems like a neat domain that could be used for Homebrew Website Club meetups.
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sebsel
I know joschi has homebrewwebsite.club :)
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sknebel
is that joschi?
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sebsel
Wait, it used to?
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sknebel
thought that was someone else
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sebsel
You're right, Joschi has indieweb.club
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sebsel
manton, as you see, I've been looking at such a domain too ;)
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[cleverdevil]
Looks like website.club is a reserved domain by the registrar.
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[cleverdevil]
Meaning its "premium."
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sebsel
If you visit it, it's a wordpress.
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[cleverdevil]
Hmm... maybe not.
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[cleverdevil]
Yeah, who knows then ?
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[manton]
Cool. Hopefully whoever has it is part of the IndieWeb community and will chime in sometime about how we can use it. ?
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[manton]
It was registered for 5 years, which makes me think it was planned to be used.
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sknebel
let me dig the info out, one sec
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sknebel
oh, sorry, misread
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sknebel
for homebrewwebsite.club I have a note somewhere
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[cleverdevil]
The WHOIS lists names.club as the registrant.
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[cleverdevil]
I really think it is held by the folks at .club.
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[cleverdevil]
I can do some digging, if there's interest.
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sebsel
Well it would make for nice URLs like amsterdam.website.club
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sebsel
(hm, my client does not autolink that, so not THAT nice...)
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[manton]
sebsel That's what I was thinking too. Or homebrew.website.club/cityname also looks great.
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sebsel
or even city.homebrew.website.club, but that might be too crazy
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sebsel
I was looking for a city.something.somthing, and website.club looks like a nice one.
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sebsel
indieweb.club could be another, at least we know who that has.
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sebsel
who has that*
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Loqi
[superfeedr] "Favorite tweet by @davidmead" by Scott Kingery on 2017-09-05 http://techlifeweb.com/favorite-tweet-by-davidmead/
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@jgmac1106
What is your favorite way to create an rss feed of student blogs? #digped #indieweb #literacies
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