#indieweb 2017-09-05

2017-09-05 UTC
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bdesham I'm writing a client-side web app that needs to be able to retrieve web pages (from arbitrary servers) and parse microformats2 from them
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bdesham in general, CORS prevents you from being able to use AJAX
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[miklb] I’m sure this has been done before and is documented, just not sure where to look. I am going to set up 2 satellite blogs for specific content, and use my main domain as strictly notes/photos/checkins etc and be a public web profile/timeline. Can I add those sites to use for bridgy, indieauth, etc with my existing GitHub or Twitter login?
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bdesham is there a hosted, publicly-usable API that will take an URL as input and return the microformats it finds?
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aaronpk bdesham: try microformats.io or xray.p3k.io
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aaronpk [miklb]: the relmeauth part will require that your twitter link to one site so you can't really use it with multiple domains. But your secondary domains could link to a secondary IndieAuth server like selfauth
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bdesham aaronpk: hmm. microformats.io doesn't seem to issue the CORS headers I'd need, and X-Ray doesn't find my h-adr data :-|
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[miklb] aaronpk thanks. I’ll take a look. It’s actually been awhile since I’ve set up indieauth/bridgy stuff I don’t remember what is entailed. Probably a good exercise.
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aaronpk bdesham: yeah XRay is a little more than a parser
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tantek I'm pretty pleased with this multi-rsvp to the original event on the domain of the theater, the FB POSSE copy, and their tweet about it: http://tantek.com/2017/247/t1/going-to-serenity-movie-party
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Loqi [Tantek Çelik] going to Serenity Movie Party tonight 19:00 @DrafthouseSF! https://drafthouse.com/sf/show/syfy-presents-serenity-movie-party
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tantek no webmention support at drafthouse.com but Falcon called the Twitter API to thread the RSVP to their announcement tweet, and used Bridgy to RSVP to the FB event.
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snarfed http://atomenabled.org/ expired ?
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snarfed bdesham: you can use e.g. https://anyorigin.com/ to get CORS headers on any site
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bdesham snarfed: sure, but I'm a little wary of proxying data through a random service like that
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bdesham hmm. looks like https://unrelenting.technology/mf2/ might have an endpoint I can use
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bdesham ah, drat. that endpoint only takes HTML as input; it won't go fetch some URL for me
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aaronpk bdesham: are you trying to avoid running your own? it wouldn't be hard to take one of the parsers from microformats.io and modify it to return the CORS header
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bdesham aaronpk: yeah, I'm 100% just trying to avoid running my own :-)
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bdesham I'm kind of just prototyping something now, so I'd prefer to lean on a backend that someone else is hosting already
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bdesham but candidly, I do have the expertise and means to run my own
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aaronpk i don't think anyone is running one that they expect to be used in a production environment like that. I consider https://pin13.net/mf2/ a debugging tool more than something I'd recommend people use in an app
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bdesham that's fair. my idea right now is to spin up my own backend before I ever let anyone else see this
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bdesham since, like you said, it doesn't seem that any of the existing mf2 parsing APIs are intended to be relied on by other developers' tools
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bdesham (and quite reasonably so!)
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@sjockers Free and open to everyone! Join this week’s #IndieWebCamp in Dortmund and learn about open web principles & tech! https://indieweb.org/2017/Dortmund (twitter.com/_/status/904933649350623232)
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tantek hmm a lot of dev talk up above
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tantek what is client-side
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "client-side" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek what is a client-side web app
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "client-side web app" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek what is CORS
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Loqi CORS is an acronym for "cross-origin resource sharing," a mechanism for allowing browsers to make JavaScript requests to fetch resources from other domains https://indieweb.org/CORS
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tantek and I'm a little on the fence as to whether setting up Bridgy is dev-specific or general
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snarfed1 ?! um general i hope
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tantek I suppose since users of Bridgy need to understand it to feel confident authorizing it - it ought to be something we make simple enough for users to understand and use
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snarfed1 with >4k users i expect at least some are non-engineers
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tantek thanks for confirming that goal snarfed
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tantek at least for Bridgy Backfeed
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snarfed well more than a goal, i personally know a number of non-eng users, >10 at least
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snarfed yes
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tantek Bridgy publish feels more like a dev-centric API
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snarfed at least power user, tech comfortable, yes
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tantek "power user" is a good way to put it. that does sound like gen 2 though.
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tantek whereas I'd expect Bridgy backfeed to be something we try to make gen 3 accessible
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tantek maybe even gen 4
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tantek again, I'm hypothesizing here, curious what your objectives are
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snarfed yup. i believe it's at least gen 3 now. the stumbling blocks if any are on the webmention receiving side
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tantek I think it's reasonable to put that responsibility (webmention receiving) on their CMS
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tantek such that if there are any problems with it, it's clear that those issues should be filied with whoever is supporting the CMS
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tantek in looking at https://indieweb.org/generations I think "power user" does fit in with gen 2. no need to be a developer, and yet, you need to be a bit more savvy than just someone using a 3rd party to manage your domain/site for you
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tantek what is a power user
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "power user" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek power user is /generations#Generation_2_IndieWeb
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Loqi ok
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Loqi [superfeedr] "More on comments, platforms and the indieweb" by Colin Walker on 2017-09-05 https://colinwalker.blog/2017/09/05/more-on-comments-platforms-and-the-indieweb/
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[kevinmarks] Bdesham: unmung.com would be easy to run your own copy of on appengine free tier
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[kevinmarks] https://github.com/kevinmarks/unmung
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Loqi [kevinmarks] unmung: turn feeds into h-feeds
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Zegnat !tell sl007 I will not travel to attend IWC Istanbul, but if there are remote options I will obviously try to attend that way.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[colinwalker] Morning indieweb
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jeremycherfas Good Morning IndieWeb
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[kevinmarks] Now here's a silo tax https://medium.com/@BenRegenspan/why-16-of-the-code-on-the-average-site-belongs-to-facebook-and-what-that-means-68956cd731be
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petermolnar [kevinmarks] the truly sad aspect is that current frontend devs consider the extra 200KB js percetly fine, because it's cached, not even remotely considering, that caching is only a network relief - it's still eating memory and cpu for breakfast.
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petermolnar I'm astonished how js devs believe ludicrously size js is fine
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petermolnar imagine what 200KB of C code can do...
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sl007 Hello everybody - so excited, packing stuff for https://indieweb.org/2017/Dortmund ? CAMPFIRE - Festival for journalism : http://campfirefestival.org
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Loqi sl007: Zegnat left you a message 3 hours, 1 minute ago: I will not travel to attend IWC Istanbul, but if there are remote options I will obviously try to attend that way.
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jjuran petermolnar: When I became a Macintosh owner, I was proud of how many icons I had marching across my screen at startup.
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jjuran Then I discovered extension conflicts.
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jjuran “Lean and mean” might be an acquired taste.
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Loqi [superfeedr] "“in the long run — to paraphrase Keynes — proprietary software projects are all dead.” http://dtrace.org/blogs/bmc/2017/09/04/the-sudden-death-and-eternal-life-of-solaris/ #indieweb" by Kevin Marks on 2017-09-05 http://known.kevinmarks.com/2017/in-the-long-run-to-paraphrase-keynes-proprietary-software-projects
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@kevinmarks “in the long run — to paraphrase Keynes — proprietary software projects are all dead.” http://dtrace.org/blogs/bmc/2017/09/04/the-sudden-death-and-eternal-life-of-solaris/ #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/905016480202342401)
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petermolnar I remember KDE3. It was a christmas tree with everything bouncing and moving and I ran away. Unfortunately, while google material design looks lean and mean, it's one of the worst resouce hog I've seen so far.
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@schmarty Here's an interview with @rabble from the most recent This Week in the #IndieWeb! ? Full Episode: https://martymcgui.re/2017/09/02/112010/ (twitter.com/_/status/905067613893664768)
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@schmarty Here's an interview with @rabble from the most recent This Week in the #IndieWeb Podcast! ? Full Episode:… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/905069069661077504 (twitter.com/_/status/905069069661077504)
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jeremycherfas !tell schmarty @lowi seems to be leaving the final character off those links
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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aaronpk what's wrong?
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jeremycherfas Each of the links ^^^ is missing a final character.
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jeremycherfas The t.co links
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aaronpk it looks like he deleted the first tweet
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jeremycherfas Yes, but the second tweet, the link as given by Loqi ends 7750 and it should end 77504
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sknebel jeremycherfas: no it doesn't?
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sknebel I see 77504
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jeremycherfas Unless that’s my IRC client …
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aaronpk i think maybe that's just your IRC client
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jeremycherfas You see the 4 inside the link?
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aaronpk https://media.aaronpk.com/Screen-Shot-2017-09-05-07-10-34.jpg
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schmarty i also see 77504 at the end
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Loqi schmarty: jeremycherfas left you a message 4 minutes ago: @lowi seems to be leaving the final character off those links
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schmarty also apologies for the double-post. i forgot to attach the video the first time ?
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jeremycherfas Wow. It is my client. That’s pretty strange, isn’t it? I use Colloquy
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jeremycherfas I’m not that in love with Colloquy. What’s a better alternative I could try?
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aaronpk I also like Limechat on osx
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jeremycherfas Let me look
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sebsel jeremycherfas there is an emoji in there
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sebsel That could throw your client off
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jeremych_ sebsel Yes. My client does not show the emoji
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jeremych_ Erk, better quit Colloquy
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jeremych_ So, am I still here?
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ben_thatmustbeme you were
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@sl007 https://indieweb.org/2017/Dortmund ? beim CAMPFIRE Festival für Journalismus - http://campfirefestival.org @plmarten @fubits @jonworth @bargainophobie (twitter.com/_/status/905075645587349504)
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[miklb] jeremycherfas Textual is a great macOS IRC client
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sebsel is on Textual too and liking it
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jeremycherfas I'll look. Limechat is a bit too hackerspace for my taste.
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[miklb] though I admit I use Slack for some much other stuff, I’ve stopped running both IRC and it, just Slack.
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[miklb] s/some/so/
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jeremycherfas I think the one thing I like about IRC over Slack is linking back to past posts. I never did get the hang of that in Slack
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petermolnar hexchat all the way down
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petermolnar (yes, it can talk to witches)
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jeremycherfas LOL
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sebsel Just see http://indieweb.org/IRC#Install_an_IRC_app :) (I'll add Textual there too)
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sknebel hm, two lists of clients on that page?
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sebsel Oh hey. Maybe we should get rid of one indeed.
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[miklb] jeremycherfas I just use the web chat log if I need to link back to something.
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[miklb] but not selling one over the other.
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jeremycherfas So far, preferring the look of Textual
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petermolnar oh
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petermolnar I'll merge them
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jeremycherfas Does the + in front of your name [miklb] indicate that you are bridged from Slack?
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[miklb] I think so. Can’t see it since I’m in Slack. But same as IRC users have “APP” beside their name in Slack.
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[miklb] I like this Textual theme https://github.com/amfeng/textual-campfire
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Loqi [amfeng] textual-campfire: Campfire-esque Textual IRC Theme
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sebsel Meh, merge conflicts on /IRC :(
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[miklb] hmm, I think there is a newer version
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sebsel leaves petermolnar to it
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petermolnar I'm done
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petermolnar github theme repos without screenshot, I love those
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jeremycherfas [miklb] Someone thought the same in 2012; no reply yet ...
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jeremycherfas Ooops, that should have been for petermolnar
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sknebel jeremycherfas: the + is probably for "voiced", which here happens for ppl Loqi recognized from /irc-people
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[miklb] oh, right. IRC does [miklb] for Slack users I think?
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sknebel yes
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sknebel (so me, seb, peter, ... all also should appear with + if it is voice)
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jeremycherfas You do.
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sebsel (aaron and tantek and loqi probably have an @ because they are operators)
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sebsel gives Loqi an @
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Loqi hearts the @
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Crossed the wide Pecos ..." by Jeremy Cherfas on 2017-09-03 https://stream.jeremycherfas.net/2017/crossed-the-wide-pecos
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snarfed re GDPR q's a bit ago (cc KevinMarks), here's a good infographic explainer (pdf): https://www.teachprivacy.com/wp-content/uploads/GDPR-Whiteboard-TeachPrivacy-Privacy-Awareness-Training-1.pdf
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bdesham KevinMarks: thanks for the unmung suggestion!
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tantek it looks like my Skype account was deleted
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tantek what is Skype
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Loqi Skype is a communication service that provides text chat, and audio/video calling service via native applications on desktop (Mac, Windows), and mobile (iOS, Android) https://indieweb.org/Skype
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tantek the last notification I got from them via email was 2016-08-02
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tantek and now their sign-in UI claims "That Microsoft account doesn't exist. Enter a different account or get a new one."
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tantek a-ha I found https://a.login.skype.com/diagnostics
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tantek "You have 1 Skype account(s) for ... Select your account then sign in or reset your password."
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tantek wow looks like lots of people's skype accounts were hacked and used to send URLs to spam or other nasty things
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tantek if you have a Skype account I recommend changing your pw
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[cleverdevil] Made some progress on my Trader Vic's project this weekend ?
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[cleverdevil] http://share.cleverdevil.io/Upn62GgcPv.png
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[cleverdevil] http://share.cleverdevil.io/zqITk1NRH7.png
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[cleverdevil] http://share.cleverdevil.io/Rm8k6xgnWt.png
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[cleverdevil] Brushing off the 'ole design cap is always fun.
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Zegnat Good morning IndieWeb :)
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[kevinmarks] good old Zapfino
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[cleverdevil] ?
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[cleverdevil] I'm not sold on it, here, but it was a script that I knew off the top of my head.
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[kevinmarks] I still think using ⅕ works better then 1/5
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[cleverdevil] I think you're right. I'll likely go through and convert as many of the fractions as possible to HTML entities.
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[cleverdevil] Or straight up utf-8 characters, actually.
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[kevinmarks] Zapfino has a lot of swash variants, though I don't know how you get them on the web
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[cleverdevil] I'm particularly pleased with the table of measurements... getting it to match the basic look of the book was a challenge with CSS.
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[cleverdevil] Its a little bit of a hack, but hey, so it most of the web ?
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[kevinmarks] I met the chap who made Zapfino when I was at Apple - he said after they made the first pass and sent it to Zapf, he gave them lots more variants to play with (it was based on his handwriting)
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[cleverdevil] Nice!
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[kevinmarks] http://known.kevinmarks.com/2017/glyph-variants
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Loqi [Kevin Marks] Glyph variants http://known.kevinmarks.com/file/c5d6901d33fffda5525d499138a5211a/thumb.png
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[kevinmarks] in textedit you can get at the variants with command-T, then the typography sub-pane, stylistic variants tab
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[cleverdevil] Nice, I’ll see if I can make those work in my project.
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@rachelandrew And we care a lot about things like owning your own content https://perchrunway.com/blog/2017-08-01-being-part-of-the-indieweb so I’d love for you to check it out! (twitter.com/_/status/905150641164754944)
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[cleverdevil] No luck so far, kevinmarks.
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[cleverdevil] There are a few features in CSS that enable this, but I can't grok them yet.
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[kevinmarks] This is typography black arts certainly.
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[cleverdevil] Specifically, `font-variant-alternates` and `font-features`.
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[cleverdevil] I love it so much.
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[cleverdevil] I have a very soft spot for typography ?
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[kevinmarks] OpenType has the glyphs, I think they also issued them as multiple fonts for other formats
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[cleverdevil] So, the version of Zapfino I have on my macOS machine is TrueType.
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[cleverdevil] I think that's the version that ships with macOS.
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[kevinmarks] https://helpx.adobe.com/typekit/using/open-type-syntax.html
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[cleverdevil] Yup, too bad I don't have the OpenType version, and its commercial ?
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[cleverdevil] Also, seems most of the features don't work in Safari.
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[manton] Just curious, does someone here own website.club? Seems like a neat domain that could be used for Homebrew Website Club meetups.
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sebsel I know joschi has homebrewwebsite.club :)
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sknebel is that joschi?
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sebsel Wait, it used to?
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sknebel thought that was someone else
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sebsel You're right, Joschi has indieweb.club
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sebsel manton, as you see, I've been looking at such a domain too ;)
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[cleverdevil] Looks like website.club is a reserved domain by the registrar.
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[cleverdevil] Meaning its "premium."
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sebsel If you visit it, it's a wordpress.
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[cleverdevil] Hmm... maybe not.
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[cleverdevil] Yeah, who knows then ?
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[manton] Cool. Hopefully whoever has it is part of the IndieWeb community and will chime in sometime about how we can use it. ?
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[manton] It was registered for 5 years, which makes me think it was planned to be used.
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sknebel let me dig the info out, one sec
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sknebel oh, sorry, misread
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sknebel for homebrewwebsite.club I have a note somewhere
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[cleverdevil] The WHOIS lists names.club as the registrant.
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[cleverdevil] I really think it is held by the folks at .club.
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[cleverdevil] I can do some digging, if there's interest.
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sebsel Well it would make for nice URLs like amsterdam.website.club
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sebsel (hm, my client does not autolink that, so not THAT nice...)
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[manton] sebsel That's what I was thinking too. Or homebrew.website.club/cityname also looks great.
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sebsel or even city.homebrew.website.club, but that might be too crazy
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sebsel I was looking for a city.something.somthing, and website.club looks like a nice one.
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sebsel indieweb.club could be another, at least we know who that has.
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sebsel who has that*
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Favorite tweet by @davidmead" by Scott Kingery on 2017-09-05 http://techlifeweb.com/favorite-tweet-by-davidmead/
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@jgmac1106 What is your favorite way to create an rss feed of student blogs? #digped #indieweb #literacies (twitter.com/_/status/905211104770625537)