#indieweb 2017-09-06

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Zegnat
Hey, when did Facebook go round-avatar on me?!
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sebsel
wow, yeah. It is the end of silo-UI after all: once Twitter goes round, Facebook follows
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Zegnat
Even the text input boxes have been rounded off
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Zegnat
Oh, the like icon et al have been changed too? Guess it was time for them to do a refresh now that Twitter did :/
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Zegnat
Round avatars, round comment box, and possibly new (crisper? thicker?) icons for like/comment/share. Screenshot incase it isn’t universally rolled out: https://imgur.com/GEKGDj5
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Ruxton
it's been around at least a month like that, looks like it's startng to properly roll out now
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Loqi
Ruxton: [chrisaldrich] left you a message 1 week, 4 days ago: Thanks for the detective work. I've got the code targeted on the back end and just need to do some thinking about what I'd prefer to happen so it doesn't interfere with other moving pieces.
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[kevinmarks]
Facebook Messenger on android has had round avatars (that float over other apps) for ages
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Zegnat
I’ve never had the messenger heads enabled on my phone.
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Zegnat
Ruxton, interesting, this is the first time I have noticed the change on the web. But Facebook is known for rolling things out over several months
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Ruxton
yeah slow rollout and you're just seeing it
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[kevinmarks]
The story clone thing at the top has had round for a while, to match instagram
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[kevinmarks]
Now its circle in circle
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Loqi
[Kevin Marks] Through the round window - suddenly everything is circles, and even circles on circles http://known.kevinmarks.com/file/4912842e309c5b8e1c581484a27ea0db/thumb.png
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Zegnat
Messenger app has been rounded for a long time on my phone. This is just the first time I saw it on the actual website
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jjuran
[kevinmarks]: If the circles get nested any deeper, they should just switch to ellipses ;-)
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[kevinmarks]
Nested comments as epicycles?
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sebsel
100 minutes until Virtual HWC European time, join us on appear.in/hwc :D
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Loqi
I added a countdown scheduled for 2017-09-06 5:28pm CEST (#6115)
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petermolnar
anyone know anyone at smugmug and make them either mf2 compatible or to provide rss/atom?
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@dariusdunlap
Austin area friends… Some good folks are starting a Homebrew Website Club. http://www.manton.org/2017/09/homebrew-website-club.html More info: https://indieweb.org
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petermolnar
is anyone running services on a raspberry pi? (web, mail, etc) The last time I tried runnig a pi for regular, server-like load, I wore out the sd card surprisingly fast, and I'm wondering what the state is these days
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sknebel
petermolnar: afaik Sebsel runs so me stuff in a pi, and i know a few other people who do.
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sebsel
I have ZNC on a Pi, so this message ran through it ;)
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sknebel
AFAIK it has gotten better with newer ones/newer firmware. And many have the SDcard read only and a USB drive attached
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sebsel
No real webserver for me though.
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petermolnar
the usb drives are not better at all
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petermolnar
my 2GB sd cards from a decade ago are still alive and none of my pendrives are
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sknebel
The pi-sdcard issues AFAIK were bad firmware doing things not properly
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sknebel
Not actual wear out on the drives
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Loqi
Virtual HWC European time, join us on appear.in/hwc :D
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Loqi
Countdown set by sebsel on 2017-09-06 at 3:48pm CEST
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petermolnar
I'm just going to stalk on vhwc
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sknebel
I'll be a bit late
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petermolnar
I once managed to run wordpress on a htc desire, with mysql and everything; it wasn't fast.
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sknebel
E.g. I know someone who had a pi doing traffic analysis on his internet connection and that ran fine for at least a year, despite constantly logging data
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petermolnar
but it was certainly fun.
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petermolnar
sknebel that sounds promising
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petermolnar
although it's not the writes, it's the re/overwrites which are the problem, mostly
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sknebel
I can't join appear.in today it seems
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sknebel
connection failures
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tantek
sknebel - > #indieweb-meta
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@EFFaustin
If you have interest in following the Indieweb project that we talked about at our last meetup, especially in... http://fb.me/28BOaCBek
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GWG
Hello
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tantek
what is smugmug
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Loqi
SmugMug is a paid service photo hosting silo https://indieweb.org/SmugMug
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@schmarty
A brief update to the recent This Week in the #IndieWeb audio edition. HWC events today and tomorrow! https://martymcgui.re/2017/09/02/112010/
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@schmarty
A brief update to the most recent This Week in the #IndieWeb Audio Edition. HWC Austin today and Berlin tomorrow! https://martymcgui.re/2017/09/06/123128/
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@huffduffer
This Week in the IndieWeb Audio Edition • Update for 2017-09-06 https://huffduffer.com/schmarty/428723
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GWG
What new features can I implement in advance of my upcoming week long tour abroad? I keep moving toward check-ins but haven't gotten there yet. Maybe I might want to enhance photo posts...
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tantek
GWG definitely fix icons/avatars first
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tantek
more important than any new features
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tantek
that's a pretty big regression
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GWG
tantek, I agree, just that isn't a conversation.
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snarfed
GWG: facepiles!!!
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GWG
It is in development
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snarfed
great! so if you have time this week, sounds like you could finish it!
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GWG
snarfed, one condition. Start liking my posts
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snarfed
wow, extortion
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GWG
No, I need testing data
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snarfed
aww you can always generate your own test data!
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snarfed
if your dev cycle depends on other people, it's broken :P
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@kevinmarks
updated my tweets archive: http://www.kevinmarks.com/tweets/ #ownyourdata #indieweb
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Loqi
[superfeedr] "updated my tweets archive: http://www.kevinmarks.com/tweets/ #ownyourdata #indieweb" by Kevin Marks on 2017-09-06 http://known.kevinmarks.com/2017/updated-my-tweets-archive-tweets-ownyourdata-indieweb
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sketchess
Good morning Loqi, good morning Indieweb.
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[kevinmarks]
give how verbose a single weight measurement is, I wonder what genomic data looks like in FHIR
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sketchess
o.Ô
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sketchess
Sweet dreams and a good morning Indieweb. Baba.
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@manton2
On today’s Timetable: the IndieWeb and why we’re having a Homebrew WebSite Club meetup in Austin tonight. http://timetable.manton.org/2017/09/episode-49-homebrew-website-club/
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tantek
whoa - what's a "Timetable"
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aaronpk
that's his podcast!
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[manton]
Yep, it's the name of my short-form podcast. 4-5 minutes long. (Trying to eventually do these once a day, but not there yet.)
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[manton]
Also, slightly embarrassed that I somehow typed "WebSite" instead of "Website". Not sure how that happened.
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tantek
manton - likely because you've been reading the WebSub spec :)
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[manton]
Heh, maybe!
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tantek
goes to listen
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tantek
ooh "microcast"
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tantek
I'm sensing theme here manton ;)
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[manton]
Haha, indeed. 🙂 I think there's a lot of potential for short podcasts that can be produced more easily by anyone, if the tools were better.
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Loqi
nice
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aaronpk
totally!
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tantek
manton, sounds great in real speakers too
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[manton]
I started this before launching my Kickstarter campaign, to try to document the everyday details of planning for it.
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tantek
manton++ for Timetable
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Loqi
manton has 21 karma in this channel (22 overall)
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Zegnat
Wasn’t there a (or several?) social website Twitter-like-things that wanted to do soundbyte posts? Anyone remember that?
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tantek
what is Odeo
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "Odeo" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indieweb.org/s/10s_
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tantek
goodness it's not on https://indieweb.org/site-deaths either
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tantek
Zegnat, ironically, it's one of those websites (Odeo) which is a big part of the reason / circumstance that Twitter was invented
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Loqi
Odeo
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[manton]
Funny to imagine if Odeo has been more successful, and they had become a massive centralized podcast platform and Twitter had fizzled out from neglect instead.
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[manton]
(Or maybe never had been invented. I may be getting the timing slightly wrong.)
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tantek
manton, possibly never had been invented
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tantek
Twitter partially arose out of the meh around Odeo
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tantek
then microblogging, statusnet etc. none of that
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[kevinmarks]
Audioblog was the predecessor wasn't it?
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bdesham
does anyone have examples of h-geo being used in the wild? (the wiki doesn't list any)
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tantek
bdesham - good question - I think if it were, it would be inside something else possibly, not on its own
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tantek
also totally good question for #indieweb-dev since it's markup/code related :)
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bdesham
ah, didn't realize there was another channel for that!
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[kevinmarks]
Audblog, that was noah glass's thing that predated odeo
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tantek
bdesham - no prob - we've got a small handful now! indieweb.org/discuss
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tantek
kevinmarks - yeah I think enwp.org/Odeo mentions that
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bdesham
it seems like wikipedia's infoboxes are prime candidates to be marked up with microformats. has anyone tried this? and did it result in being banned from wikipedia? ;-)
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aaronpk
many of them have microformats1 already
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bdesham
or maybe it's microformats1 and I'm not as familiar with that
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bdesham
ah
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bdesham
why not both 1 and 2?
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bdesham
no one's gotten around to it yet?
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[kevinmarks]
it's TWiG time - give me things to mention
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[kevinmarks]
HWC & IWC obviously, but what else?
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PFMurph
The Wu-Tang Clan
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tantek
more like the Web-Mention Clan
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tantek
[kevinmarks]: the launch of HWC Austin in mere hours?
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Loqi
[superfeedr] "Favorite tweet by @ballpointcarrot" by Scott Kingery on 2017-09-06 http://techlifeweb.com/favorite-tweet-by-ballpointcarrot/
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sl007
sebsel - it took so long to setup the tent. Heavy rain in the middle. Maybe we could check livestreaming tomorrow. Aeham Ahmad gave a concert for opening, the piano player who became famous in the debris of Syria. Showed some pictures from the climate refugee story.
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sebsel
sl007 Okay! I'll be around tomorrow. Have fun on the first evening :)
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@manton2
Found extra https://micro.blog/ stickers to bring to Homebrew Website Club tonight. We’ll need to get IndieWeb stickers next time.
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@keithjgrant
@manton2 Ooh. I'm doing an indieweb talk in a few weeks. Anywhere I can order some stickers to give out?
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tantek
aaronpk ^^^
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@aaronpk
@keithjgrant @manton2 I can send you some or you can order directly from Stickermule: http://indieweb.org/swag#Stickers
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tantek
hello from HWC SF!
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tantek
showing huffduffer.com/tags/indieweb
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tantek
where?
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[kevinmarks]
Usual place soma Streat food
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tantek
showed Bridgy Fed
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tantek
events coming up IWC Dortmund, NYC, and Istanbul announced
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tantek
up next
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tantek
Benjamin Esham
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tantek
showing his site
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tantek
static site built with Jekyll
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GWG
Istanbul? Not Constantinople?
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tantek
recently added locations to his posts
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tantek
for privacy it is on the level of city and state
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tantek
he also marked them up with mf2
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tantek
h-adr with a locality region and hidden span for the country
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tantek
but did want to include it to make parsing it easier
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tantek
tantek: you can use the <data> element instead of a hidden span
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KartikPrabhu
GWG: just like New York, not New Amsterdam!
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tantek
now showing microformats2 on a Map!
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tantek
using Google's geocoding API to convert cities to lat long to display on a map
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tantek
because their API had the highest free level
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GWG
KartikPrabhu: Song reference.
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tantek
clicking on SF expands that marker into two posts there
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KartikPrabhu
tantek: link to said map, very curious!
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tantek
now showing western new york, clicking zooms in, zooms in again
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tantek
very cool!
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tantek
have not put the link anywhere publicly yet
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tantek
ben wants to develop it a bit more
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tantek
doing live demo for us in person!
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KartikPrabhu
I was thinking that something similar could be used for face-tagging in photos
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tantek
it's a separate UI from his website
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tantek
you put the URLs you want to look at into a text box
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tantek
it's looking at all the URLs, retrieving each one, parsing it for mf2, and then sending all the cities to Google's geocoding API, then plotting them all
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tantek
it's a node application, server running behind the scenes
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tantek
wanted to do it all clients side, but CORS prevents you from grabbing the contents of any arbitrary website
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tantek
another reason is that needed some kind of API to do this geocoding, with an API key
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tantek
and if he was hosting it on his site and doing it clientside, there was no way of getting around having to share the API key with everyone
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tantek
having it in the context of a server means he can do it with his API key
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tantek
also means if someone wants to try it out, they have to register their own API key
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tantek
it's specified as an environment variable
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tantek
as you get this running as a node server on your machine, you would just put in your API key
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tantek
hoping to file off some of the rough edges soon and put it on github soon.
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tantek
lesson learned from this project: how much of modern web development is finding libraries that other people have written and gluing it together. less than 200 lines total written for this.
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tantek
because he is using Leaflet
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tantek
what is Leaflet
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Loqi
Leaflet is http://leafletjs.com/ an open source JS library for mobile friendly interactive maps https://indieweb.org/Leaflet
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tantek
using the microformat-node library to the parsing of the microformats
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tantek
and then a couple of other javascript niceties
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tantek
those two are doing the heavy lifting, and his code is getting the data flowing
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tantek
used a 3rd party add-on for Leaflet to cluster markers with a count, where you can click on it and zoom in
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tantek
major props to the free software community
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KartikPrabhu
bdesham++
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Loqi
bdesham has 1 karma
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tantek
bdesham++ for an awesome demo at HWC SF
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Loqi
bdesham has 2 karma
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bdesham
Here's a tweet (and screenshot!) of the application tantek was describing: https://twitter.com/bdesham/status/905616896162111488
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@bdesham
Just demo-ed “Microformats2 on a Map,” a web app to visualize h-adr and h-geo data. Will release the source soon! #indieweb https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DJFlwvIVAAEAdtt.png
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KartikPrabhu
bdesham: looks very nice! looking forward to a URL
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aaronpk
With marker clustering even!
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tantek
yeah! apparently that's a 3rd party add-on/plugin for Leaflet!
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tantek
we were joking that he wrote in <200 lines of code what Swarm *just* shipped as a whole new feature in the past week or so
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tantek
welcome back tbbrown!
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tantek
how was HWC Austin?
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tantek
nice photo! biggest HWC this week!
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tbbrown
:)
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j12t_
++tomwiththeweath
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