#indieweb 2017-09-21

2017-09-21 UTC
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jjuran [eddie], schmarty: thanks
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Loqi jjuran: schmarty left you a message 42 minutes ago: eddie says: "not sure if you were planning on coming but FYI, we moved HWC Frederick to Starbucks down the street"
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@benwerd Imagine if there were groups of hackers in the #indieweb and #decentralization movements who were working on less harmful platforms. (twitter.com/_/status/910657581357588480)
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tantek wow benwerd tweetstorm
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tantek if only it was a blog post
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tantek tweetstorm starts here: https://twitter.com/benwerd/status/910654790572449792
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@benwerd Imagine just a handful of companies were responsible for setting standards on what truths could be conveyed, stored, and understood. (twitter.com/_/status/910654790572449792)
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tantek checks http://werd.io/content/statusupdates/
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[kevinmarks] His design got electric
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tantek !tell benwerd I'm convinced the current purple/yellow styling of werd.io is turning you off to tweeting/blogging on your own site
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek [kevinmarks]: it's been that way since IWS 2017
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tantek alright time for a public nudge
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[kevinmarks] I read him through woodwind.xyz so I didn't know
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[kevinmarks] Get him to hwc tonight and help edit his css?
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Loqi [superfeedr] "@benwerd imagine posting this on werd.io 1st, tweetstorm 2nd. Persist the changes you wish to see. #indieweb every day" on 2017-09-21 http://tantek.com/2017/263/t2/imagine-posted-first-tweetstorm-second
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@t @benwerd imagine posting this on werd.io 1st, tweetstorm 2nd. Persist the changes you wish to see. #indieweb every day (ttk.me t4qV2) (twitter.com/_/status/910665599176425472)
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tantek lol superfeedr UTC datetimes
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tantek totally going to go file a "tweetstorm" feature request for Known right now with benwerd's tweetstorm as evidence for the need
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tantek what is a tweetstorm
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aaronpk nice
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Loqi tweetstorm is a series of tweets, each replying to the previous, often each numbered so the sequence is clear, as a method of expressing a longer series of related thoughts as a single thread on Twitter https://indieweb.org/tweetstorm
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aaronpk I've been thinking about adding an interface for tweetstorms to Quill
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aaronpk tho I can't quite decide whether I want to treat my copy of a tweetstorm as a single article or as a bunch of short notes like the tweets
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tantek do the simple direct thing first. same UI, same result
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tantek makes it easier for people to make the "switch" from using Twitter to tweetstorm to using their own site to tweetstorm
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tantek then you can have an option (later) to collect the notes into a collection, article etc.
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aaronpk the thing that would make it easy for people is if Quill actually posted it to twitter
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aaronpk rather than how it currently handles syndication which is to just tell your server to send it to twitter
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tantek it could lazy reload the syndication links from your server
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aaronpk i actually have a related feature request i'm tackling on it next which is to try to find matching syndication URLs of a post you're replying to. it'll require the server to support it too tho i think.
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aaronpk the problem i'm having right now is if I want to reply to that last post of yours from my site, I don't have an automatic way to also POSSE the reply properly
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aaronpk if that worked properly, then it would actually enable tweetstorms as well
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tantek done: https://github.com/idno/Known/issues/1907
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Loqi [tantek] #1907 Add a "tweetstorm" UI for chaining status updates with chained POSSE tweets
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tantek aaronpk what do you mean don't have an automatic way to also POSSE the reply properly? that's documented on /Twitter!
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tantek I'll find it
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aaronpk my site just doesn't do it
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tantek https://indieweb.org/Twitter#POSSE_Replies_to_Twitter
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aaronpk the trick is getting it to work through micropub
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@jonathanprozzi Homebrew Website Club: One Year In: https://jonathanprozzi.net/?p=36 https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DKNYSoQUIAAY9f3.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/910668629406085120)
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tantek hmm I should update the rel-syndication references to u-syndication
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[miklb] I’ve done a few where I create a note and syndicate to Twitter, then reply to the tweets in Tweetbot, backfeeding my own replies.
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@schmarty Thanks all for another great Homebrew Website Club Baltimore! Here's to the next year of #IndieWeb! https://martymcgui.re/2017/09/20/204109/ https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DKNY67hW4AA7eMJ.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/910669589893271552)
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aaronpk the micropub syndication buttons don't actually have a concept of belonging to a particular service (where the service like twitter has rules such as max length, setting in-reply-to IDs, etc). the buttons are opaque to clients like quill. This means Quill doesn't have a way to know to select a button if Quill finds the POSSE copy of the thing being replied to.
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aaronpk so this means it's up to the site itself to POSSE the reply properly, but the problem is Quill doesn't know whether it's going to happen, so the user doesn't know either, which means the user might type out a post that doesn't fit in a tweet
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aaronpk it becomes a UI nightmare basically
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aaronpk so that's why I haven't done it
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tantek hmm - I'm not sure I'm quite following the flow and what the challenge is
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tantek let's take this to dev
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aaronpk i guess it's dev, it's mostly a UI challenge tho :P
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aaronpk (a very nitty gritty one tho)
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tantek UI dev is still dev
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aaronpk fair
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tantek from a user point of view, checking the "syndicate to twitter" button should "just work" no matter what the other settings are
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Loqi [superfeedr] "@benwerd imagine posting this on werd.io first, tweetstorm second. Persist the changes you wish to see. #indieweb every day" on 2017-09-21 http://tantek.com/2017/263/t2/imagine-posting-first-tweetstorm-second
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tantek haha that's what happens when I update the slug
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Loqi haha
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bdesham a small, nice new feature in iOS 11: sharing a webpage from Safari will always share the canonical URL
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aaronpk ooh right they shipped that
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aaronpk pretty sure they're using rel=share for that
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aaronpk via http://microformats.org/wiki/sharelink-formats
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Loqi sharelink formats
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Loqi [superfeedr] "imagine adding tweetstorming to @Withknown’s UI so all Known users could #indieweb tweetstorm: https://github.com/idno/Known/issues/1907" on 2017-09-21 http://tantek.com/2017/263/t3/imagine-adding-tweetstorming-ui
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@t imagine adding tweetstorming to @Withknown’s UI so all Known users could #indieweb tweetstorm: https://github.com/idno/Known/issues/1907 (ttk.me t4qV3) (twitter.com/_/status/910679496390467585)
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@actually_a_bear @WPWgtn @wellyux Then next week on Tuesday night the PHP meetup are talking abt IndieWeb with @iwantmyname who uses WordPress @phpwlg https://www.meetup.com/PHP-Usergroup-Wellington/events/242883877/ (twitter.com/_/status/910680357195751425)
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tantek GWG ^^^
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tantek hello from HWC SF!
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tantek five of us here
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tantek I showed RSVPs working for today's HWC SF indie event
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tantek http://tantek.com/2017/263/e1/homebrew-website-club
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Loqi Homebrew Website Club SF
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tantek Anika is working on "Time Well Spent"
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tantek we also talked about hosting challenges
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tantek Andi is using WordPress on her Cascade site, and switched her hosting from godaddy to digital ocean but is annoyed at the WordPress update problem so is looking into maybe using a service like WP-engine to keep her WordPress updated
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tantek Dan uses WP-engine on one of his sites
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tantek Andi shows us her use of timewellspent.io
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tantek oh home page of timewellspent - everyone's use - not hers
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tantek Most Happy Apps vs Most Unhappy Apps
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tantek Andi mentioned simplysecure.org
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tantek Anika mentioned workflowy.com
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bdesham we're looking at https://inthemoment.io/tws-results
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bdesham it seems that all of the apps identified as making people unhappy are apps that could be replaced by indieweb alternatives
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bdesham facebook, reddit, etc.
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bdesham people are thinking about a hackathon to make some of the indie products more usable
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bdesham t pointed out that http://indieweb.org/planning#San_Francisco (in our particular case) exists to help with scheduling this kind of thing
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aaronpk they are all apps that are optimized to make you spend as much time as you can in them in order to maximize ad dollars they make
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bdesham aaronpk: exactly
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bdesham aaronpk: that seems to be the thrust of the Time Well Spent movement
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aaronpk nice
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tantek Anika has https://www.anikasaigal.com/
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tantek took a photo and we're done!
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@jonathanprozzi Homebrew Website Club: One Year In: https://jonathanprozzi.net/reflection/homebrew-website-club-one-year-in/ https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DKN6G8XUIAAeuYA.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/910705811483185153)
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "Homebrew Website Club: One Year In – Jonathan Prozzi" https://jonathanprozzi.net/reflection/homebrew-website-club-one-year-in/ (from https://aaronparecki.com/2017/09/20/19/)
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Must we copy everything?" by Jeremy Cherfas on 2017-09-21 http://stream.jeremycherfas.net/2017/must-we-copy-everything
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[cleverdevil] Okay, I’ve got my trader Vic’s project up at https://cleverdevil.io/trader-vics/ and the matching git repo at https://git.cleverdevil.io/cleverdevil/trader-vics
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[cleverdevil] ?
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Loqi Barbados Red Rum Swizzle
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[cleverdevil] So people can send pull requests. But it’s sort of under the radar not on GitHub :P
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aaronpk ooh another Gogs fan!
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[cleverdevil] Just set it up. I had been using GitLab in the past, but it’s a Ruby Goldberg Machine.
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[cleverdevil] Too much of a pain to keep running.
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[cleverdevil] Gogs is tiny and works great.
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aaronpk Ruby Goldberg Machine ?
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@btconf (3/3) Or: The @indiewebcamp is back in Berlin as well. Saturday and Sunday right before #btconf. Two fantastic days. https://beyondtellerrand.com/events/berlin-2017/side-events/indiewebcamp (twitter.com/_/status/910770293655748608)
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cweiske strk, you wanted to talk to me?
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strk cweiske: hi
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strk someone just installed your Libravatar Mediawiki plugin on our systems and I wanted to ask you if there's a way to automate mapping between email and libravatar picture
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strk but after looking for you I thought this would probably be outside the scope of that plugin
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strk (I'm just ignorant about mediawiki)
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[kevinmarks] Safari uses rel canonical, not share
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Loqi [superfeedr] "The Little Schemer Will Expand/Blow Your Mind" by David Eisinger on 2017-09-21 https://www.viget.com/articles/the-little-schemer-will-expand-blow-your-mind
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Loqi [superfeedr] "The Little Schemer Will Expand/Blow Your Mind" by David Eisinger on 2017-09-21 http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/VigetInspire/~3/LxI5VIZTEWI/the-little-schemer-will-expand-blow-your-mind
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cweiske strk, what do you mean by "automate mapping between email and libravatar picture"?
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petermolnar isn't that just and md5 hash of the mail?
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cweiske sha1, but yes. and libravatar does federation, so you have to find out the avatar server from the mail's domain name
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cweiske sha1 is wrong. either md5 or sha256
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cweiske https://wiki.libravatar.org/api/
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cweiske md5 is used for gravatar compat
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strk cweiske: https://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/1688#comment:5
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cweiske strk, you're using a template there. you could expand that template to generate the libravatar tag from the email
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cweiske but you're right, that's not the scope of the extension :)
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strk yeah, that was my feeling :)
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strk only it wasn't me doing the template, but there _is_ an email field, so would sound easy
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cweiske https://wiki.osgeo.org/index.php?title=Template:OSGeo_Member&action=edit
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strk do you know the syntax to add an "ELSE" here ? {{#if: {{{Photo|}}} | <td rowspan="7" width="25%"> [[File:{{{Photo|}}}|200px]] </td> | }}
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strk "Libravatar error: email attribute missing"
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strk it looks like expansion doesn't work as expected :/
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strk a-ah ! the <libravatar> {{{Email|}}} </libravatar> syntax works :)
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cweiske :)
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strk and figured the #else too, so now you get Photo if you specify one, or you get Libravatar if you specified an email
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[kevinmarks] thats a lot of brackets
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strk KartikPrabhu: indeed!
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strk Mediawiki...
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strk Trac has familiarity with those {{{ }}} too
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KartikPrabhu wait! what did I say?
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KartikPrabhu strk: I think you mean keviun marks
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strk yes, sorry
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strk cweiske, next time you're online: is there a setting to use https instead of http, for the avatar ?
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KartikPrabhu strk: you can leave a "!tell" message for people to get when they come back: see https://indieweb.org/Loqi#Interactions
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strk !tell cweiske does Libravatar Mediawiki plugin have a way to use https for fetching avatars, rather than http ?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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strk thanks KartikPrabhu
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@__scientist__ BarCamp 2017, 30 Ekim Cumartesi Sisli Koc Universitesi KWorks'te.. Biletler ücretsiz https://ti.to/indieweb-istanbul/2017 -- AI, blockchain, open web,.. (twitter.com/_/status/910907205263806465)
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@__scientist__ BarCamp 2017, 30 Eylül Cumartesi Sisli Koc Universitesi KWorks'te. Biletler ücretsiz https://ti.to/indieweb-istanbul/2017 … -- AI, blockchain, open web.. (twitter.com/_/status/910908867973873665)
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[cleverdevil] So, I just noticed that homebrew-website.club is available - http://share.cleverdevil.io/Mm2CvEImYY.png
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[cleverdevil] The hyphen-less version isn't.
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[cleverdevil] Oh wait, its also registered and redirecting to the wiki ?
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[miklb] still thinks homebrew website club should be rebranded as IndieWeb night.
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sebsel [miklb] Or IndieWeb Meetup, but yes, it would be easier to explain :)
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Homebrew Website Club: One Year In" by Michael Bishop on 2017-09-21 https://miklb.com/2017/09/homebrew-website-club-one-year-in/
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[miklb] hmm. I’m still not sure about how the post-kinds plugin generates post titles
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tantek miklb, sebsel, if you wanted to experiment with doing that in your cities, I'd say go for it, and see how your local community reacts. if it makes a positive difference (increasing # of participants), then keep it.
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[miklb] fair point.