#indieweb 2017-09-20

2017-09-20 UTC
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[chrisaldrich] Evening IndieWeb. I'm tired of working on the real-world house and need to get back to my web-based one.
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Loqi [chrisaldrich]: schmarty left you a message 5 days, 6 hours ago: your permalinks are (still) giving me infinite redirect loops with no content. chrome on macOS. example: http://boffosocko.com/2017/09/07/unpacking-day-4-the-bar-has-been-uncovered-should-have-unpacked-this-on-day-1/
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Loqi [chrisaldrich]: clintpat_ left you a message 5 days, 6 hours ago: your permalinks are giving me infinite redirect loops with no content. Safari on macOS. Safari masquerade as Firefox or chrome on macOS is the same. Firefox on macOS - no. Once I successfully load the page in Firefox on macOS, the page subsequently loads in Safari or Safari masquerading as other browsers.
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tantek chrisaldrich++ for working on his virtual house
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Loqi chrisaldrich has 43 karma in this channel (55 overall)
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tantek how very Snowcrash of you :)
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[chrisaldrich] Ha!
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[chrisaldrich] Thanks clintpat_ and schmarty, but I think I managed to fix in the interim...
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[chrisaldrich] I still need to work on checkins which are doing that same thing.
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[chrisaldrich] I hear an IWC-NY popped up?!
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gRegorLove o/ [chrisaldrich]
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gRegorLove Yep!
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gRegorLove when is IWC NYC?
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Loqi IndieWebCamp NYC 2017 is on 2017-09-30 at Dalberg Global Development Advisors NYC https://indieweb.org/IWC_NYC
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[chrisaldrich] Not sure I can pull that off so quickly after just moving. Looks like it overlaps WordCamp Los Angeles too...
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gRegorLove I've been out of the loop, too. Any progress on IWC LA?
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[chrisaldrich] I have another planning meeting shortly, but I think we'll pull off something in Jan/Feb. We're 80% of the way there, we just need to lock in dates and one or two other details.
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[chrisaldrich] What other excitement have I missed in the last 2+ weeks? I'm tempted to declare IRC bankrupcy and rely on the newsletter & schmarty's podcast to catch up, but may have to skim through everything anyway.
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aaronpk schmarty++
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tantek [chrisaldrich] don't even worry about IRC "bankruptcy" - it's meant to be skimmed
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aaronpk heh yeah. the goal with IRC is to have everything important moved to the wiki :D
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[chrisaldrich] And then the newsletter becomes the better update...
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gRegorLove Cool, Jan/Feb sounds nice. Gives me a bit more time to settle in first.
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[chrisaldrich] but I know some of the interesting edge stuff doesn't always make it to the wiki in as timely a fashion...
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[chrisaldrich] especially when gRegorLove isn't settled. ?
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gRegorLove haha
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Loqi gRegorLove: lol
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tantek [chrisaldrich]: NYC 9/30-10/1. And I'm trying to convince Manton to do IWC Austin Dec 9-10. Would you be up for that/
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tantek has lost track of the number of indieweb.org tabs open in his browser
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aaronpk if only tantek had been tracking open browser tabs like https://aaronparecki.com/now/
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[chrisaldrich] Early December in Austin could be doable/fun. I'll check my calendar tonight and see what I can pull off.
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Loqi [Aaron Parecki] Now
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aaronpk "I currently have 62 tabs open in 5 windows. The most common domain is github.com with 9 tabs open."
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aaronpk o.O
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[chrisaldrich] aaronpk, sounds like it should be a product... I was just thinking about how nice it would be to have that myself.
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[miklb] what browser are you using that you can have 62 tabs without lighting your laptop on fire?
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aaronpk heh, chrome on a 12" macbook
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sknebel I apparently have 800 open tabs right now
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[chrisaldrich] I find that the Great Suspender can be useful, particularly when I've got 62 tabs and 55 of them are indieweb-related. https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/the-great-suspender/klbibkeccnjlkjkiokjodocebajanakg
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aaronpk takes this to #indieweb-chat
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GWG I would go to Austin if I could, but I'm in Florida that weekend
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[chrisaldrich] Evening GWG!
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GWG Evening, [chrisaldrich]. I'm sympathetic to your schedule issues. Have had my own
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[chrisaldrich] GWG: I'm sure I owe you a few things, but still getting settled... We should schedule a virtual HWC soon though.
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GWG That was the only one I asked you about recently
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[chrisaldrich] That just means the others are far overdue... ?
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Favorite tweet by @jjdelc" by Scott Kingery on 2017-09-20 http://techlifeweb.com/favorite-tweet-by-jjdelc/
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@aaronpk #indieweb ? https://twitter.com/HenrikJoreteg/status/910319591670165504 (twitter.com/_/status/910320392920641536)
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@ScalaWilliam What happens if Medium goes away? #indieweb https://twitter.com/HenrikJoreteg/status/910319591670165504 (twitter.com/_/status/910322883284525056)
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@EmreSokullu BarCamp 2017, 30 Ekim Cumartesi Sisli'de Koc Universitesi KWorks'te oluyor; https://ti.to/indieweb-istanbul/2017 -- AI, blockchain, open web konusacagiz. (twitter.com/_/status/910460385857343488)
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petermolnar buzzwords, buzzwords everywhere!
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@danavilcea Top story: #web #design IndieWebCamp New York 2017 - New York City https://2017.indieweb.org/nyc, see more http://tweetedtimes.com/helikopterdsgn/must-follow-web-designers-2?s=tnp (twitter.com/_/status/910466659000946690)
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@bobdesa64 Top story: IndieWebCamp New York 2017 - New York City https://2017.indieweb.org/nyc, see more http://tweetedtimes.com/helikopterdsgn/must-follow-web-designers-2?s=tnp (twitter.com/_/status/910466660443787265)
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@ramanabng12345 Top story:web design IndieWebCamp New York 2017 - New York City https://2017.indieweb.org/nyc, see more http://tweetedtimes.com/helikopterdsgn/must-follow-web-designers-2?s=tnp (twitter.com/_/status/910466661874065408)
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@PrincetonStar Top story: IndieWebCamp New York 2017 - New York City https://2017.indieweb.org/nyc, see more http://tweetedtimes.com/helikopterdsgn/must-follow-web-designers-2?s=tnp (twitter.com/_/status/910466663170142208)
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@web_advice Top story: IndieWebCamp New York 2017 - New York City https://2017.indieweb.org/nyc, see more http://tweetedtimes.com/helikopterdsgn/must-follow-web-designers-2?s=tnp (twitter.com/_/status/910466664529039362)
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@EJCSoftwareS Top story: IndieWebCamp New York 2017 - New York City https://2017.indieweb.org/nyc, see more http://tweetedtimes.com/helikopterdsgn/must-follow-web-designers-2?s=tnp (twitter.com/_/status/910466665816690688)
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@keithjgrant Two days til my talk on the IndieWeb at @connect_js! https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DKKu3dKXcAAptkY.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/910482399091412992)
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petermolnar I'm not certain if I like the newspaper like layout or it's way too confusing
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petermolnar https://samsunginter.net/rube-goldberg-article/
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ben_thatmustbeme i do not like it
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ben_thatmustbeme well, if it filled all the space, that might be different
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ben_thatmustbeme but too many huge empty blocks
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ben_thatmustbeme theres potential for it though
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@nicolas2fr Attention au web moderne, cool come back on #IndieWeb #NetNeutrality http://nicolas-bermond.com/indieweb/attention-au-web-moderne (twitter.com/_/status/910513031796359168)
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GWG ls
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Zegnat I totally forgot to advertise, but, I will be online for https://indieweb.org/events/2017-09-20-homebrew-website-club#Virtual_European_Time . As of, well, right now actually.
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Zegnat https://appear.in/hwc
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petermolnar oh
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petermolnar that is today
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petermolnar welp... that's a problem
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Zegnat It is today, yes, it is wednesday. I just got on, 10 minutes after start, but as nobody is there anyway I am going to say I was on time :p
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@DreamHost Hey, #PDX citizens! If you love #WordPress, you should check out @indiewebcamp! They meet next on 10/4! http://bit.ly/2mWH9Fz (twitter.com/_/status/910543553004228611)
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aaronpk oh yeah wordcamp pdx is this weekend
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sketchess Godd morning Loqi, good morning Indieweb.
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gRegorLove Hello sketchess
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sketchess Hello gRegorLove. How are things going?
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Zegnat sketchess and KevinMarks have dropped in to vHWC. But nobody has done a lot as of late, all been busy with non-IndieWeb projects.
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Zegnat KevinMarks dropped out now. At least I got a photo for the wiki, haha.
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Loqi hehe
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[kevinmarks] Didn't really have control of it with android Chrome
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Zegnat Android Chrome has worked for me before, IIRC. So that’s surprising.
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Zegnat Let me summarise for logs:
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Zegnat sketchess has been busy with uni instead of website;
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Zegnat Zegnat has been busy with uni, working on a small CSS thing, and renewed some of the CSS on his gender page.
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Zegnat [kevinmarks] has been busy with other projects but would like to get back to his Known set-up;
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Zegnat tantek joined ... talking about his longest blogpost - http://tantek.com/2017/253/b1/my-first-marathon
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Loqi [Tantek Çelik] My First #Marathon @theSFMarathon
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Zegnat ... probably about 35 printed pages
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Zegnat Zegnat added footnotes css to http://vanderven.se/martijn/gender/
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Zegnat tantek has been looking at AMP alternatives. Zegnat isn’t sure what the problem AMP is solving is in the first place.
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Zegnat AMP seems to solve the issue where (especially news content) is loading too slow. AMP forces a lot of stuff away, making the page faster
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Zegnat “are people smart enough to build leaner websites” without AMP? -- Zegnat
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Zegnat “with indieweb we should be able to showcase best practice on our own websites” -- tantek
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tantek what is performance
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Loqi Performance typically refers to the speed, responsiveness, and initial load of a website https://indieweb.org/performance
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[jeremycherfas] Yeah. Sorry I couldn't make vHWC. But I didn't forget. I was away.
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Zegnat No problem [jeremycherfas] :)
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[kevinmarks] When I grumbled about AMP, Alex said that the non native img video etc was necessary to have preload control
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[kevinmarks] I wonder if that is still true if you have a service worker
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Zegnat [kevinmarks], I thought it is done this way because they want to hijack any preloading browsers want to do.
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Zegnat Basically saying “our JS can do this better than the browser”.
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sketchess Good morning Jeremy. :D
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@zpinternational Would love to see 1 of those #StarTrek #indie do a continuation of the TOS A Piece of the Action with TNG universe. With Ferengi #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/910557957955481603)
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Zegnat We talked about “preferred HTML”. sketchess prefers HTML 4.01, tantek prefers XML-Valid HTML5 (http://tantek.com/2010/302/b1/xhtml-dead-long-live-xml-valid-html5)
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Loqi [Tantek Çelik] XHTML Is Dead, Long Live XML-Valid HTML5
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Zegnat Some XML-invalidities were spotted on tantek’s website, so he is now fixing
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sketchess favorite please
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sketchess I write 5.
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tantek fixes up a bunch of Falcon output
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Zegnat We were looking at organisers. Hipster organiser (PDA) came up: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hipster_PDA
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Zegnat Turns out, it has its own Wikipedia page.
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tantek so how could you build the indieweb equivalent of that?
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Zegnat I am going to claim wiki.zegnat.net is a Hipster PDA, I think ;)
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tantek what is a PDA?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "PDA" yet. Would you like to create it?
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sketchess A good morning and sweet dreams to all. See ya around, hopefully.
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sketchess Baba.
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Zegnat tantek deployed some fixes and everyone goes their separate ways :)
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tantek Zegnat++ thanks much for the debugging!
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Loqi zegnat has 75 karma in this channel (133 overall)
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sl007 https://ccc.de/en/updates/2017/public-money-public-code - please sign the open letter !
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Loqi [superfeedr] "The “indie” fallacy" by Julien Genestoux on 2017-09-20 https://medium.com/@julien51/the-indie-fallacy-7aec040f8b6?source=rss-------1
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@EddieHinkle Come tonight to Homebrew Website Club #frederickMD and learn about setting up your own website RSVP: https://eddiehinkle.com/2017/09/14/2/event/ (twitter.com/_/status/910571980050587648)
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Loqi [superfeedr] "YES. so true. well said. thanks for writing this." by Ryan Barrett on 2017-09-20 https://medium.com/@snarfed/yes-so-true-well-said-thanks-for-writing-this-b54fbe08dbe4?source=rss-------1
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snarfed ooh superfeedr + medium at work
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tantek snarfed - was that a Medium-only comment from you? or did it have a snarfed.org permalink?
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snarfed tantek: medium only
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tantek but yes - very cool to see medium+superfeedr work - even on comments! :)
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tantek which I suppose raises the question - does Medium's API allow for POSSEing replies like that?
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tantek checks Bridgy issues
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snarfed no, and it's in there
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marinin finally got to implementing parts of h-card and h-entry to my site!
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snarfed marinin++
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tantek marinin++ great!
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tantek were you able to check it with indiewebify.me to see how it does?
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marinin tantek: yes! Though didn't do all the points (no picture, etc.) Got to the webmentions step :)
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Zegnat Oh, that reminds me, there is a bug in the h-card check on indiewebify.me. Need to check if that is filed somewhere.
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ben_thatmustbeme marinin++ nice step forward though
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Zegnat https://github.com/indieweb/indiewebify-me/issues/68 doesn’t seem to be a duplicate, but if someone recalls seeing this let me know
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Loqi [Zegnat] #68 The h-card checker does not resolve relative URLs.
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[cleverdevil] Sigh. I'm noticing a lot of things that I'd like to fix / change in Known and not enough time/knowledge ?
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petermolnar knownledge
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tantek [cleverdevil] re: lot of things to fix / change in Known - presumably you're filing issues on /Known 's github to at least capture them?
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tantek or at least mention them in #knownchat in the hopes of having others help iterate on them?
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strk !seen cweiske
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sknebel strk: we don't have a bot for that, but he was last here around 30 hours ago ;)
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[cleverdevil] Some of them are more like *projects* than bugs.
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[cleverdevil] tantek no, and I definitely should.
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[cleverdevil] Like, the entire Micropub implementation probably needs a rework.
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[cleverdevil] Oh, I forgot to mention, I finished the first draft version of my Trader Vic's project last night ?
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[cleverdevil] All of the recipes are marked up with microformats2!
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[kevinmarks] Did you work out how to get the Zapfino variants?
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[cleverdevil] Nope, Safari doesn't support them.
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[cleverdevil] Or, at least it didn't in v10.x, it may in the one that was released yesterday.
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[cleverdevil] Also: other browsers :d
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[cleverdevil] https://cleverdevil.io/trader-vics/
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Loqi Barbados Red Rum Swizzle
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[cleverdevil] Keep that private-ish for now.
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[cleverdevil] It Works For Me On My Laptop On MacOS
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[kevinmarks] You could make them into svg
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[cleverdevil] Also: totally not responsive yet.
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[cleverdevil] Also: I'm not a designer, I just play one on the internet.
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[cleverdevil] That's actually a good idea, kevinmarks.
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[cleverdevil] Lots still to do. I need to pull all of the illustrations, if possible, and make them into SVGs.
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[cleverdevil] Each recipe also has a proper ID so you can link to it - https://cleverdevil.io/trader-vics/#r-tortuga
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Loqi Tortuga
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[kevinmarks] They parse out OK http://www.unmung.com/indiecard?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcleverdevil.io%2Ftrader-vics%2F
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Loqi Barbados Red Rum Swizzle
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[cleverdevil] That's good, I hadn't actually tried that yet ?
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[cleverdevil] There are some wonky recipes in there that are not written in a traditional manner, instead the ingredients are sort of distributed throughout the instructions.
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[kevinmarks] Seems like you need to buy 8 kinds of rum
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[cleverdevil] ?
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[cleverdevil] Nope!
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[chrisaldrich] cleverdevil did you ever get to have drinks at the Trade Vic's at the Beverly Hilton before it closed?
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[kevinmarks] You should pinch adactio's script that changes the url as you scroll so that when you copy the url it links to where you are
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[kevinmarks] Wow, that punch recipe is crazy
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[chrisaldrich] It wasn't the same after the '07 remodel, but it was a great joint when I was at CAA in the early '00s.
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[cleverdevil] kevinmarks that's a great idea.
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[cleverdevil] Any idea where I can find that?
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[kevinmarks] It's in his book
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[kevinmarks] Well, view source
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[kevinmarks] https://resilientwebdesign.com/
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[chrisaldrich] His book should be a standard for one online books
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[cleverdevil] Hmm, it doesn't actually seem to do the magic thing for me.
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[cleverdevil] At least, not in my browser.
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[kevinmarks] Hm.
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[kevinmarks] https://adactio.com/journal/11632
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Loqi [Jeremy Keith] Deep linking with fragmentions
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[cleverdevil] Ah, you have to highlight the text
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[cleverdevil] I like the scrolling idea better ?
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[kevinmarks] Maybe the headings thing I saw was somewhere else
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[cleverdevil] http://imakewebthings.com/waypoints/
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[cleverdevil] http://imakewebthings.com/waypoints/guides/getting-started/
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[cleverdevil] Maybe this...
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Zegnat [kevinmarks], I forgot to link it before, but, indieweb thing on glitch: https://sturdy-backbone.glitch.me/ (by sknebel)
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[cleverdevil] Or this - http://johnpolacek.github.io/scrollorama/
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[cleverdevil] Ugh, that thing looks waaaaaay too fancy.
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[eddie] HWC Frederick has moved to Urbana Starbucks in case any non-RSVP’d people are thinking about swinging by.
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[eddie] !tell jjoran not sure if you were planning on coming but FYI, we moved HWC Frederick to Starbucks down the street
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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schmarty !tell jjuran eddie says: "not sure if you were planning on coming but FYI, we moved HWC Frederick to Starbucks down the street"
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[eddie] Ahhh nice catch schmarty!
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tantek hello from SF!
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tantek setup for HWC a bit early
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tantek !tell [kevinmarks] re all that scrolly fragment stuff - can you add that as a "How to" with links to /fragmentions ?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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