#indieweb 2017-09-28

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tantek hey everyone - if you're in Austin or want to visit for IndieWebCamp Austin Dec 9-10, add yourself to the "Interested" list! https://indieweb.org/2017/Austin#Interested
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tantek It will help [manton] and me gauge interest for venue capacity etc.
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GWG I would be there if I didn't already book tickets to South Florida.
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tantek ok I have 280 chars apparently in the Twitter web UI
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tantek no more tweet char countdown until you get to 20 left which turns orange
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tantek there is a little circle (not disc) that slowly fills in, clockwise from 12:00 position, til it is almost full then turns orange at 20 chars and "20" shows up to its left
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tantek the "20" is in red
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tantek when you hit the max 280 the circle turns red and pulses briefly.
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tantek any more chars you type get a red background and the counter goes negative, -1, -2 etc.
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Loqi [superfeedr] "If they're capturing social media handles on popular, large sites, there seems like an obvious workaround. #indieweb https://gizmodo.com/us-homeland-security-will-start-collecting-social-media-1818777094" by Ben Werdmüller on 2017-09-28 http://werd.io/2017/if-theyre-capturing-social-media-handles-on-popular-large-sites
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@benwerd If they're capturing social media handles on popular, large sites, there seems like an obvious workaround. #indieweb https://gizmodo.com/us-homeland-security-will-start-collecting-social-media-1818777094 (twitter.com/_/status/913232408819961856)
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aaronpk Whoa screenshots plz
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ScalaWilliam is there some sort of automatically built-up directory of indieweb user sites?
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aaronpk Sort of!
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aaronpk What is indiemap?
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Loqi indie map is a public IndieWeb social graph and dataset, made by Ryan Barrett and launched at IndieWeb Summit 2017 http://www.indiemap.org https://indieweb.org/indiemap
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ScalaWilliam awesome thank you :) was unable to find
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ScalaWilliam I searched for "indieweb directory"
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KartikPrabhu what is irc-people?
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Loqi IRC people is a list of IRC regulars sorted by nick(name), with their website and usual timezone(s) https://indieweb.org/IRC_People
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KartikPrabhu ScalaWilliam: there is also that ^
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aaronpk What is indieweb directory?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "indieweb directory" yet. Would you like to create it?
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aaronpk indieweb directory is /indiemap
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Loqi ok
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aaronpk for next time :-)
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Favorite tweet by @rMdes_" by Scott Kingery on 2017-09-28 http://techlifeweb.com/favorite-tweet-by-rmdes_/
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indie-visitor woo lots of ppl
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indie-visitor Bonjour a tous
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petermolnar hi
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[kevinmarks] Hello visitor
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@ScalaWilliam @BMadusudanan @rmelogli There is a free alternative - https://indieweb.org/comments #indieweb But it's not well explored, as it's quite new:-) (twitter.com/_/status/913334888975052800)
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[kevinmarks] You thought ads were just running inefficient javascript, but no they're mining cryptocoins https://amp.theguardian.com/technology/2017/sep/27/pirate-bay-showtime-ads-websites-electricity-pay-bills-cryptocurrency-bitcoin
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cweiske amp amp amp amp amp amp amp
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Loqi cweiske: strk left you a message 6 days, 17 hours ago: does Libravatar Mediawiki plugin have a way to use https for fetching avatars, rather than http ?
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[kevinmarks] At least AMP versions aren't mining
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@ScalaWilliam @BMadusudanan @rmelogli FYI - https://indieweb.org/Disqus (twitter.com/_/status/913336156846137344)
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petermolnar to be honest, that crypto mining is perfectly fine with me
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petermolnar efficient or not
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petermolnar I don't have to look at ads, no signup required, mines only as long as the site is open
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petermolnar it's a perfectly viable way of making money out of visitors
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petermolnar with the problem of generating tiny amounts though
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[keithjgrant] But at scale, a terrible waste of electricity
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petermolnar not like the whole cryptocurrency is any better at all
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petermolnar primecoin could have been reasonable
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petermolnar or something like seti-coin
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petermolnar if anyone remembers seti
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cweiske @home :)
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petermolnar yep, that one
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petermolnar put a cryptocoin on top of that: boom, not a waste
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petermolnar calculate the nothing with bitcoin...well...
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Zegnat I like this call-to-action design by Mozilla: https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/etc/firefox/retention/thank-you-a/
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Zegnat Wondering if there is any way to apply a design like that to e.g. indiewebify.me
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sketchess Good morning Loqi, good morning Indieweb.
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "Omnibear version 0.6.0" https://omnibear.com/releases/0.6.0/
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[keithjgrant] https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/omnibear/
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[keithjgrant] Icon doesn't work for some reason, though ?
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sebsel whoa, nice
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sebsel [keithjgrant]++
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Loqi keithjgrant has 6 karma in this channel (11 overall)
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sebsel I liked omnibear with omnibear but it didn't support webmentions and it does not have microformats (: but it worked!
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[keithjgrant] Ha
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[keithjgrant] You mean the extension or omnibear.com?
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[keithjgrant] I slapped the website together really quickly from a theme. Added microformats to the pages, but it still needs to be flushed it quite a bit
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[keithjgrant] https://github.com/keithjgrant/omnibear-site/issues/
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[keithjgrant] There. Added some todos
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sebsel I added one too just now :)
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sebsel oh, but on the extension. Oh well, it's a nice thing and I expect to use it a lot!
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tantek interesting perspective on "likes" http://groknation.com/culture/social-media-likes/
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tantek Wondering if we can design indieweb like interactions to enhance or empower some of the positive thinking in that article
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tantek like << 2017-09-27 [http://groknation.com/culture/social-media-likes/ Be Kind, Connect and Create Miracles: Make Your Social Media Likes Matter]
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Loqi ok, I added "2017-09-27 [http://groknation.com/culture/social-media-likes/ Be Kind, Connect and Create Miracles: Make Your Social Media Likes Matter]" to the "See Also" section of /like
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skippy tantek: given that the receiver has slightly more control over the presentation and notification of likes, it seems that it could/should be up to the implementor of the receiving like.
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Loqi [superfeedr] "The library is finally unpacked! ??" by Chris Aldrich on 2017-09-28 http://boffosocko.com/2017/09/28/the-library-is-finally-unpacked%f0%9f%93%9a%f0%9f%91%93/
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tantek skippy I think there are opportunities both for the liker (i.e. keep better track / searchability of things you've liked), and the likee (insights who is liking what kinds of posts of yours etc.)
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tantek ooh just saw https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/omnibear/ awesome !
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tantek installing it even though my site doesn't support micropub yet
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tantek hey if you run or have Firefox definitely go install it - helps to show adoption etc.
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kpraslowicz I installed it in Vivaldi a few days ago, even though I can't use it yet.
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KartikPrabhu needs to update hismicropub implementation first
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tantek [keithjgrant]++ nice work!
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Loqi keithjgrant has 7 karma in this channel (12 overall)
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[cleverdevil] Ugh, I want Omnibear for Safari so badly ?
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[cleverdevil] shakes his fist at Apple.
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skippy I need to add micropub (and a media endpoint), but I think I'm going to try to tackle webmentions, first.
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[keithjgrant] Awaiting moderation in the Opera store now, too
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[keithjgrant] Yeah, receiving webmentions is typically an easier hurdle too cover first
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[keithjgrant] I still need to automate sending WMs though
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skippy that's on my list, too, [keithjgrant]
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kpraslowicz There any .net webmention implementations yet? Or do I get to be the first? :D
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tantek kpraslowicz: there's probably someone here with a .net domain name :)
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kpraslowicz Haha
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skippy for WP (and similar dynamic) indieweb sites, does editing an existing post generally trigger a re-send of the webmention again? or does the sending site generally keep track of sites they've notified already?
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Loqi ahahaha
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skippy trying to figure out what the common process is, for adoption on my static site.
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[shurcool] https://indieweb.org/selfdogfood#IndieWeb_Examples said "add yourself..." so I added some examples of me doing selfdogfooding. hope that's cool.
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tantek shurcool++ definitely! That's the general idea of all the "IndieWeb Examples" sections on pages
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Loqi shurcool has 1 karma in this channel (2 overall)
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[shurcool] I can't help but worry a bit that I'm doing too much self-promotion, but I guess/hope that's a feeling I get because it's less acceptable outside of indieweb (and hopefully more acceptable here)
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snarfed skippy: you actually want to re-send wms to all recipients after an edit, not just to new links
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[shurcool] so, thanks for the positive affirmation ?
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KartikPrabhu [shurcool]: it is more like documentation of use than self-promotion
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skippy snarfed: thanks. so the recipients of edited-post webmentions need to handle the duplictae and decide what to do?
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snarfed skippy: yes. basic de-duping is by (source, target) pair. trivial implementation is to use that as your unique key, and always fetch and process store data from source every time.
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snarfed http://indieweb.org/Webmention-developer#How_to
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KartikPrabhu skippy: yes. for example your webmention could be a reply that you edited, in which case the receiver would update the reply on their site too
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skippy since my site is static, i'm looking at a lower-tech solution for managing all this than adding an RDBMS. flat file list of webmentions and grep are what I'm currently mulling over. :)
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snarfed ? https://indieweb.org/flat-file_storage
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skippy ooooer
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skippy thanks
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[shurcool] snarfed: hah, well, I now know where else I can add my stuff as examples. ? I, too, use flat file storage (rather than DBs) for all dynamic content on my site.
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[shurcool] and because all my Go packages that implement services on top of a filesystem end with `fs` suffix, I could link to https://dmitri.shuralyov.com/packages?pattern=.../fs ?
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snarfed leans toward #indieweb-dev
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[shurcool] as a big fan of flat files, I'm very happy to add my usage example to https://indieweb.org/file-storage#Dmitri_Shuralyov
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@ChrisAldrich Wishing I could attend #IndieWebCamp New York in person this weekend. I highly recommend it to others. https://2017.indieweb.org/nyc (twitter.com/_/status/913512823354830848)
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[grantcodes] Random question: If I publish a `like-of` a tweet and then automatically favorite that tweet on twitter does that count as sydication? They both end up with the same url
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snarfed [grantcodes]: what do you mean by "end up with the same url"?
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[grantcodes] ```
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[grantcodes] "properties": {
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[grantcodes] "syndication": [
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[grantcodes] "https://twitter.com/stevenalanclark/status/913354429302177792"
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[grantcodes] ],
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[grantcodes] "https://twitter.com/stevenalanclark/status/913354429302177792"
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[grantcodes] "like-of": [
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@stevenalanclark business_discourse.jpeg https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DKzjASCWAAAYIY-.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/913354429302177792)
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@stevenalanclark business_discourse.jpeg https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DKzjASCWAAAYIY-.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/913354429302177792)
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[grantcodes] ]
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[grantcodes] }
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[grantcodes] ```
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KartikPrabhu I think [grantcodes] is saying that Twitter does not have likes on their own URLs and so they "inherit" the URL of the tweet being liked, which is also the "like-of" proerty
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[grantcodes] Yeah much better way of putting it!
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snarfed yup, very few silos have permalinks for likes
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snarfed [grantcodes]: sure, count it as syndication
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KartikPrabhu but then that indicates that the tweet being liked is a syndication copy of the indie-like post; which seems wrong
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KartikPrabhu what is POSSE?
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Loqi POSSE is an abbreviation for Publish (on your) Own Site, Syndicate Elsewhere, a content publishing model that starts with posting content on your own domain first, then syndicating out copies to 3rd party services with permashortlinks back to the original on your site https://indieweb.org/POSSE
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KartikPrabhu unfortunately https://indieweb.org/Twitter#POSSE_Favorites_of_Tweets does not help clarify this situation
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snarfed sorry, i'm not following. feel free to share an example if you have one
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[grantcodes] Here's my `like-of` https://grant.codes/2017/09/28/59cd6eb8d3dad20607ccdb93
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Loqi [Grant Richmond] business_discourse.jpeg pic.twitter.com/iHdxtjCYsv — Clark Stevens (@stevenalanclark) September 28, 2017 View ...
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[grantcodes] It is a like of a tweet and since likes on twitter don't have their own url the `like-of` and `syndication` properties point to the same url. The only question is should it be counted as a syndication property or not.
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snarfed [grantcodes]: understood. feel free to make up a permalink. e.g. mine on https://snarfed.org/2017-09-28_free-great-idea-for-a-movie-night-scotch-and-soderbergh is https://twitter.com/kylewmahan/status/913507173291909122#favorited-by-139199211
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@kylewmahan Free great idea for a movie night: Scotch and Soderbergh (twitter.com/_/status/913507173291909122)
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Loqi [Ryan Barrett] Free great idea for a movie night: Scotch and Soderbergh #
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@mrkrndvs @pomeranian99 you might be interested in this post from @ChrisAldrich on RSS http://boffosocko.com/2016/12/18/rss-feeds-a-follow-up-on-my-indieweb-commitment-2017/ (twitter.com/_/status/913531617297145856)
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snarfed (bridgy fabricates like permalinks with the same format)
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KartikPrabhu snarfed: is that practice documented on the wiki somewhere? I have faced similar problems before
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snarfed KartikPrabhu: good question! i don't know
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KartikPrabhu in fact on Google+ even replies do not have their own permalink! so a reply-to-a-reply has the same issue!
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snarfed KartikPrabhu: they added them a while back
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snarfed https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/444
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Loqi [csarven] #444 Use correct URI for a Google+ Plus comment or reply
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KartikPrabhu oh!
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snarfed more on faking silo permalinks via fragment: https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/215
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Loqi [snarfed] #215 fake comment/like permalinks by adding fragment (e.g. #USERID)
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[grantcodes] Cool, I like that solution!
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[photography] What did I do to my tabs that auto commenting ended up like this? https://files.slack.com/files-pri/T03QR2B2T-F7AKWEPUJ/image.png?pub_secret=b3fa8ba8d5&name=image.png
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KartikPrabhu [photography]: some context please? also how is this indieweb related?