#indieweb 2017-10-01

2017-10-01 UTC
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GWG Back online. What did I miss?
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schmarty about 7 hours of IWC NYC, in an unusual format.
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GWG Unusual?
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GWG Explain?
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GWG snarfed, will get on it
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schmarty there were only a handful of us, so we did more of a demo/deep dive format on all of our sites.
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schmarty with lots of back and forth, etc.
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Elementary Algebraic Geometry" by Chris Aldrich on 2017-09-30 http://boffosocko.com/2017/09/30/elementary-algebraic-geometry/
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[miklb] is that how webmentions are determined?
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Loqi [superfeedr] "This Week in Google: #409 Practical Telepathy by Jason Howell, Ron Richards, and Kevin Marks from TWIT.TV Leo, Jeff, and Stacey are all off this week, so Jason Howell, Ron Richards, and Kevin Marks are in charge. The Essential phone will be a Sprint exclusive, but that doesn't mean you can't buy one and use … Continue reading "🎧 This Week in Google: #409 Practical Telepathy | TWIT.TV"" by Chris Aldrich on 2017-09-25 http://boffosocko.com/2017/09/25/this-week-in-google-409-practical-telepathy-twit-tv/
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Loqi [superfeedr] "? Technology preview: Private contact discovery for Signal | Signal" by Chris Aldrich on 2017-09-27 http://boffosocko.com/2017/09/27/technology-preview-private-contact-discovery-for-signal-signal/
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[chrisaldrich] Hmm. Loqi is still picking up some spurious posts from my site that it shouldn't. I suspect it's some quirky mark up on pages.
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[chrisaldrich] Of the last three above, it should only have gotten the last one.
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[chrisaldrich] And that last one is an interesting indieweb problem...
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[chrisaldrich] What is contact discovery?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "contact discovery" yet. Would you like to create it?
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[chrisaldrich] What are friends?
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Loqi friending (AKA add friend or the verb to friend) is a general term applied to the various silo user interactions with sites regarding reciprocal friendship https://indieweb.org/friends
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[chrisaldrich] What is following?
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Loqi follow is a common feature (and often UI button) in silo UIs (like Twitter) that adds updates from that profile (typically a person) to the stream shown in an integrated reader, and sometimes creates a follow post either in the follower's stream ("… followed …" or "… is following …") thus visible to their followers, and/or in the notifications of the user being followed ("… followed you") https://indieweb.org/following
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mifga are folks setting up for Indieweb Camp NYC again now?
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GWG Yes, I believe so
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schmarty Trying to. Waiting for tantek with the door card. Lobby is locked and no doorman.
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schmarty Oh and they are shooting a film in front of the building and shooing people away
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GWG I'll need help when I arrive then
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mifga I really enjoyed joining yesterday, and am holding myself to my commitment to pick a domain and get a simple github site up this morning and get in a selfdogfood state of working there
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mifga @schmarty - just tell them you are there with craft services and got access to a sink upstairs so they have to let you by
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GWG I wasn't available yesterday alas
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[kevinmarks] Nyc isn't linked on https://indieweb.org
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mifga what is portfolio
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Loqi A portfolio on the Indieweb is a professional web page (or collection thereof) targeted at paying customers/clients that often shows examples of work and projects https://indieweb.org/portfolio
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mifga (handy!)
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[tantek] Emma, Marty, and are here and setting up!
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[emmah] hello!
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GWG Can someone come and let me in?
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schmarty GWG: tantek is on his way
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GWG Movie people scare me
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schmarty they are scary
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mifga as long as you act like you know what you are doing and where you are going, they won't mess with you :)
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schmarty folks who would like to join remotely for IWC NYC make/hack day, you should be able to join via Google Hangouts here: https://hangouts.google.com/hangouts/_/ytl/xQlYYPKtwOG11gzWKqAZe9njQc3ZF-9iQFSwfAmgn4U=?eid=117428517899860701753&hl=en_US
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mifga by the way, here's a link that i meant to share at the NYC camp yesterday: https://www.oreilly.com/learning/regex-golf-with-peter-norvig
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mifga what i find amazing about this are the ways that progress through video or down the page can reference some sort of timeline. While I find the site tools really cool, my indieweb question is more along the lines: "are there formats being cultivated by the indieweb community that feature associations between text/page elements and video timeline references?"
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@schmarty We’re open for #IndieWebCamp NYC day 2! Here with @emmahodge @tantek @dshanske. Caffeine on the way! Pass the film… http://mmg.re/4qfEXa (twitter.com/_/status/914501851378274305)
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[rob] <!here> Sorry folks, it looks like I won’t be able to make it today. But I’ll be on Slack for awhile if there’s anything I can help anyone with.
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schmarty we'll miss you, [rob] !
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schmarty mifga: i am not aware of indieweb folks doing media-timeline-driven changes in pages.
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schmarty i am thinking about working on that today for my podcast transcripts :}
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schmarty mifga: this o'reilly demo is pretty cool
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mifga nice!
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[rob] ob Yes sir!
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[ob] rob your site — Jekyll?
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[ob] nice… i want to get my site going with a static file generator but i want to use one built in javascript so i can eventually get my plugin development
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tantek what is InstaLooter?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "InstaLooter" yet. Would you like to create it?
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[ob] rob so you get down and dirty with Ruby?
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[ob] what is Behance?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Behance" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek InstaLooter is http://instalooter.readthedocs.io/en/latest/ an open source tool for exporting photos and videos from any public profile or [[hashtag]], or private profile with login credentials.
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Loqi ok
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tantek InstaLooter << Instagram
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Loqi ok, I added "[[Instagram]]" to the "See Also" section of /InstaLooter
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tantek Instagram << InstaLooter
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Loqi ok, I added "[[InstaLooter]]" to the "See Also" section of /Instagram
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[rob] ob Nah, I’m not much of a programmer. Pretty much everything I do in Jekyll is within the Liquid templating system.
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tantek sorry to miss you rob!
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[rob] tantek Me too! I overbooked this weekend. ?
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tantek it was that custom post styling rainbow example wasn't?
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tantek ;)
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tantek *it
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[ob] what is Liquid?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Liquid" yet. Would you like to create it?
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GWG Should I join Instagram?
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[rob] ob Liquid is an open source templating language developed by Shopify: https://www.shopify.com/partners/blog/115244038-an-overview-of-liquid-shopifys-templating-language
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tantek GWG: Maybe? Are these reasons compelling to you? https://indieweb.org/Instagram#Why
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tantek rob - try saying that again with "ob " at the start :)
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tantek *without*
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[rob] Liquid is an open source templating language developed by Shopify: https://www.shopify.com/partners/blog/115244038-an-overview-of-liquid-shopifys-templating-language
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Loqi ok
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tantek [ob], try asking your what is again
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GWG I want to do more photo posting
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[ob] What is Liquid?
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Loqi Liquid is an open source templating language developed by Shopify: https://indieweb.org/Liquid
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[miklb] Liquid >> https://www.shopify.com/partners/blog/115244038-an-overview-of-liquid-shopifys-templating-language
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[ob] thank you humans and bots!
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[miklb] I think I get the << >> backwards every single time
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Loqi Sorry, I couldn't find a page named "I think I get the" or similar
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aaronpk lol
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tantek rob++ congrats on defining your first term using Loqi :)
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Loqi rob has 1 karma
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aaronpk the arrows point to where you are adding the thing
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tantek the arrows point in the direction that the data flows
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[miklb] Liquid << https://www.shopify.com/partners/blog/115244038-an-overview-of-liquid-shopifys-templating-language
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Loqi ok, I added "https://www.shopify.com/partners/blog/115244038-an-overview-of-liquid-shopifys-templating-language" to the "See Also" section of /Liquid
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[ob] emmah oliverbaptiste.com
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[kevinmarks] Hah, one of the first things I worked on for Apple in 1998 was sending urls through a live streamed video. Jobs demoed it at wwdc about 4 weeks after I joined.
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[ob] What is Ghost?
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Loqi Ghost is an an open source blogging software project written in node.js, and also a hosted silo at https://ghost.org https://indieweb.org/Ghost
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[ob] What is Hexo?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Hexo" yet. Would you like to create it?
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plindner Pour one out for Plaxo...
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tantek whoa
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tantek and hello plindner!
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[ob] What is Metalsmith?
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Loqi Metalsmith is a static site generator written in JavaScript https://indieweb.org/Metalsmith
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[ob] What is Assemble?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Assemble" yet. Would you like to create it?
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[ob] What is Docpad?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Docpad" yet. Would you like to create it?
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[ob] What is Jade?
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Loqi Jade is a template engine for NodeJS https://indieweb.org/jade
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tantek Hey IndieWebCamp participants (including remote! [rob] mifga) check out https://indieweb.org/2017/NYC#Projects and add what you're working on!
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amz3` can someone click on the +1 button on this page for me and tell me when it's done http://presence.hyperdev.fr/post/58FL3FUK
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amz3` your ip won't be logged as is, is hashed with a secret key...
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[ob] i just clicked it
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amz3` tx!
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amz3` I need to find a way to test it myself... oh I will use a http proxy
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amz3` can someone try again, to click +1 at http://presence.hyperdev.fr/post/58FL3FUK
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amz3` please
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amz3` http proxy doesn't work
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tantek hey [rob] still around? did you figure out what you wanted to hack on today?
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[ob] just clicked
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[ob] not sure if it did anything tho
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amz3` it should increment
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amz3` the supporters count
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sknebel doesn't seem to do anything
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amz3` ok I did another fix, please try again
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[rob] tantek Yep, I’ll add the URL when it’s live
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sknebel amz3`: now it increased
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amz3` sknebel: tx! I was mis using the sha-2 api, basically you need to update then "finish" it
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amz3` at least the implementation I use
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amz3` that website is using scheme in the frontend and the backend :)
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amz3` now i need to figure out whether google can index that kind of website
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mifga i have a quick somewhat newbie question. I just threw up a github pages instance for http://mifga.github.io as a quick experiment
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mifga right now I have a username repo for github pages and all i'm putting in that master branch are the static site elements I want served
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mifga for some silly reason i thought instead of setting up another branch in there, i would instead have another repo dev.mifga.github.io that would be the one for running and tuning hugo, with an action (or script) required to overwrite the html elements for the master branch for mifga.github.io.
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mifga but I'm realizing this is probably silly, and I'd like a sugggestion for best practices. In this scenario, I don't get limited valuable git history in my page served to the world
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mifga if I want to play with hugo, AND I want to mess with my username github pages option (at least for now), what setup do you all recommend?
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schmarty mifga: github pages only renders the master branch of a username repo, so there are no subdomains
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mifga oops, i meant to post this all to #indieweb-dev, sorry
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schmarty oh yeah let's -dev.
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[kevinmarks] https://twitter.com/girlziplocked/status/914581160235331584
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@girlziplocked Just saw this and almost died https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DLE-tzeWkAAUGlZ.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/914581160235331584)
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schmarty about to start IWC NYC demos: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qan5Ipr4e0
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schmarty final moments!
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schmarty furious typing!
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schmarty playing catchup on demos
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schmarty schmarty went first: fixed some site bugs. now shows maps when someone else checks him in on swarm. also fixed syndication stuff so he can change syndication with micropub.
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schmarty also wanted to figure out how to do timed captions for his audio podcasts. was able to "trick" browsers by using a video tag with a poster image and an audio file for the source file. it'll then accept subtitles as a track element in WebVTT format.
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schmarty needs webvtt tools to be much better.
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schmarty hannahdonovan.com was next
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schmarty got her dev environment to edit her website again. MAMP and now with multisite.
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schmarty took a while to get MAMP working multisite.
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schmarty next up tantek.com
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schmarty created tantek.com/pay - has venmo and paypal links
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schmarty no more asking "how do i pay you?"
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schmarty hannah adds: square cash is a good addition, money goes directly to your bank rather than earning interest for venmo
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schmarty the links go to regular https urls
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schmarty questions about which age groups use square cash vs venmo.
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[kevinmarks] in the UK we just use bank transfers
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schmarty hannah: venmo has a dark ux pattern where you have to remember to cash out. it's their business model.
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[kevinmarks] Or monzo
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schmarty [kevinmarks]: all these services, thanks to the "free" "market". hooray!
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[kevinmarks] which gives you an actual debit card
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schmarty t: the next things he would add are a way to add quick links like tantek.com/pay/5
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schmarty with specific amounts
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schmarty emmahodge.org up next
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schmarty made some small changes to her site, some CSS and type changes
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schmarty got her dev environment set up again and can make more progress
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schmarty up next: gwg
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schmarty added facepiles to his test site. the code was done in july but not pushed live.
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schmarty tiny.n9n.us/2016/06/10/the-western/wall/ shows a facepile of likes at the bottom from facebook
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schmarty converting the stock WordPress 2016 theme into an IndieWeb-capable theme w/ microformats2 support and support for various IndieWeb WP plugins.
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tantek nice
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schmarty for example, it now shows location of his photo in the left sidebar of the post (whereas usually it would go inline)
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schmarty also did some clerical updates. got review approval for adding an h-card widget to the indieweb plugin (moving from syndication links plugin)
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schmarty also crowdsourcing suggestions to improve his homepage h-card
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[kevinmarks] rel="nemesis"
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tantek http://gmpg.org/xfn/background#positive
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schmarty next up oliverbaptiste.com
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[kevinmarks] http://xen.adactio.com/
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schmarty researched two static site generators for redoing his site.
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schmarty focused on javascript because that is the language he is most familiar with
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schmarty looked at harpjs.com - likes that it allows you to use many different templating or coding languages
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schmarty looked at and install gohugo.io
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tantek what is Hugo
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Loqi Hugo is a static site generator written in Go https://indieweb.org/Hugo
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schmarty likes the theming and community of hugo.
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schmarty did a little demo in each to feel them out. feels like hugo is more mature, but harp is a little more fun.
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schmarty presently still locked out of his digital ocean box
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schmarty needs to get his public key on the box but only has console access
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[kevinmarks] Hugo is nice, but the template inheritance model will make you think a lot
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schmarty doesn't want to blow away the instance because he is not sure if let's encrypt will complain when he spins up a new box.
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schmarty dealing with those hosting issues
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tantek [rob] do you have a remote demo?
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schmarty oliver also resurrected an old site from 2013
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[kevinmarks] I like that the contrast is better on the old one
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schmarty thinking about going back to that design, since it offers more than a simple contact site.
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schmarty does anyone have a remote demo?
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[kevinmarks] no demo from me, didn't code today
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[kevinmarks] was there a report from Istanbul?
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Zegnat was away for most of the day
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Zegnat Turns on stream now
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Zegnat Thanks for the lunch schmarty. That is what I caught just now ;)
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schmarty :}
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[kevinmarks] is that a usecase for indie-config ?
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schmarty [kevinmarks]: sorry, our topic drifted - is what a usecase for indie-config?
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[kevinmarks] the knowing who is visiting thing
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Zegnat That would have the user define their identity though, not you choosing for them, I think
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schmarty oh, interesting. perhaps! although we were discussing it in an involuntary context.
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schmarty e.g. giving a recruiter a link that redirects to your homepage but sets a cookie that changes the content they see.
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[ob] we also kicked around idea of targeted marketing and remarketing to employers ?
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[kevinmarks] no demo, I didn't code today
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Zegnat Thanks guys! Thanks organisers~
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[kevinmarks] byee
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[ob] bye y’all!
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amz3` bye!
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Why it’s time to reclaim our digital lives" by Duncan Stephen on 2017-10-01 https://medium.com/@duncanstephen/why-its-time-to-reclaim-our-digital-lives-fba1c855405d?source=rss------social_media-5
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aaronpk "Each time, it has taken Evan Williams an average of six years to invent his next big content platform. Medium is currently five years old."
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[kevinmarks] is that counting Odeo?
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@t Wow that went by fast. Congrats all @IndieWebCamp #NYC participants! Great talks, hacks, demos https://indieweb.org/2017/NYC (ttk.me t4qf1) (twitter.com/_/status/914615616421744642)
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Thanks #IndieWeb NYC coorganizers @schmarty @EmmaGHodge @dshanske sponsors @Dalbergtweet @Bridgy @Mozilla & #TWITIWAE!" on 2017-10-01 http://tantek.com/2017/274/t2/thanks-indieweb-coorganizers-sponsors
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@t Thanks #IndieWeb NYC coorganizers @schmarty @EmmaGHodge @dshanske sponsors @Dalbergtweet @Bridgy @Mozilla &amp; #TWITIWAE! (ttk.me t4qf2) (twitter.com/_/status/914618010232647680)
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Bir IndieWebCamp ardından" by Emre Sokullu on 2017-10-01 https://medium.com/@emresokullu/bir-indiewebcamp-ard%C4%B1ndan-6fba1bc19264?source=rss-------1
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