#indieweb 2017-09-30

2017-09-30 UTC
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@schmarty Your < 10min update on the #IndieWeb community! This Week in the IndieWeb audio edition for Sept 23rd-29th, 2017. https://martymcgui.re/2017/09/29/221157/ (twitter.com/_/status/913949930460467201)
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@huffduffer This Week in the IndieWeb Audio Edition • September 23rd - 29th, 2017 https://huffduffer.com/schmarty/433373 (twitter.com/_/status/913950497794658304)
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@salp IndieWebCamp İstanbul 2017 (@ KWORKS / Koç Üniversitesi Girişimcilik Araştırma Merkezi) https://www.swarmapp.com/c/cuYE3L2a3lj https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DK9HmFaWsAEbuvA.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/914027971677163520)
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@sl007 @sebastiangreger https://indieweb.org/events ... (twitter.com/_/status/914038406589624321)
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@mabethar @t @indiewebcamp @schmarty @dshanske J tj gjm (twitter.com/_/status/914039647751241728)
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oodani Hi, something seems to be wrong with silo.pub's connection to Facebook. I'm trying to micropub posts to https://silo.pub/facebook.com/00d4n1, but after being sent to Facebook and authorising silo.pub from my account, I end up on an Internal Server Error page at https://silo.pub/facebook/callback?code=some-long-code. Anyone know what's going wrong with silo.pub right now?
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oodani I've been trying since yesterday, since I figured it might just be a temporary thing, but still no luck.
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oodani When I try to add https://silo.pub/facebook.com/00d4n1 to my site's syndication targets, I end up on https://silo.pub/indieauth/callback?code=some-long-code instead. Not sure whether the difference is important.
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oodani It still gives an Internal Server Error either way.
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@00d4n1 so, 00dani.me is running on wordpress now instead of known? i’m still not sure which i prefer, they’re both php and… https://00dani.me/2017/09/30/where-im-at-with-the-indieweb/ (twitter.com/_/status/914117847407824901)
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@jeremyzilar Going to @indiewebcamp New York today — https://2017.indieweb.org/nyc (twitter.com/_/status/914123572137922561)
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@UshareTv IndieWebCamp NYC 2017 Saturday Morning Main Room http://ushare.tv/videos/pop/8z3IzOWfMeo.html (twitter.com/_/status/914124257512353792)
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[tantek] Schmarty is that you ^^^ (usharetv)
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schmarty Uh. I t was triggered by me I guess. Created a YouTube event for streaming. It's not live yet.
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schmarty about to get started w/ IWC NYC! livestream is here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8z3IzOWfMeo
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schmarty (we'll start it up in a few minutes)
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@mpbishop POSSE is an abbreviation for Publish (on your) Own Site, Syndicate Elsewhere, #selfhoted https://indieweb.org/POSSE (twitter.com/_/status/914135741625708545)
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amz3` io
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schmarty alrighty! IWC NYC livestream is go.
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schmarty introductions, starting w/ tantek.
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schmarty has a simple site design from ~2010 w/ design help from hannah donovan. blog posts, notes. has been adding features since then.
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schmarty notes are automatically posted to twitter, truncated if they are too long
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schmarty showed an example of a POSSE'd tweet. saw a "Promoted Tweet" ad since the demo laptop was not signed in.
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schmarty showed an example of a "read" post. after hearing from many indieweb folks who used goodreads, realized he could just post these on his own site.
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schmarty uses brid.gy to POSSE RSVPs and some other posts to Facebook automatically. reducing the distractions of having to visit the FB ui has been very calming.
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schmarty recently implemented indie events, one of the more difficult improvements to add to his site.
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schmarty posts a copy of the event on FB. uses brid.gy to show RSVPs from facebook on his own site.
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schmarty showing a multiphoto post. automatically POSSE'd to facebook (only first photo), twitter (first four), flickr (all photos). manually to instagram.
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@chrislaursen @jeremyzilar @ftrain @indiewebcamp Dang wish i had known about this! (twitter.com/_/status/914145764158447616)
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tantek doing intros at IWC
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tantek now schmarty is up
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tantek he got into indieweb during a family vacation
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tantek sequestered himself and dove into the indieweb wiki
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tantek heard about IWC NYC, bought the t-shirt, then showed up (in that order)
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tantek his website is https://martymcgui.re/
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Loqi Marty McGuire
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tantek has links on his home page to the services he uses which all link back
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tantek has indie events
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tantek also syndicates events to FB
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tantek and shows RSVPs
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tantek has links to download ics or add to Google Calendar
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tantek has photos (shows one of this building's lobby)
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tantek checkins, using Swarm, and via Micropub, and OwnYourSwarm (including photos)
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tantek also has podcasts!
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tantek most recent episode of the This Week in the IndieWeb Audio Edition
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tantek also syndicates it out to places like Twitter, FB, Mastodon instance (runs his own)
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tantek and of course huffduffer.com
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tantek also has replies
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tantek that show /link-preview
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tantek site grabs the content and tries to find a useful preview
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tantek also has link-previews on URLs in notes on lines by themselves!
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tantek e.g. has a note with a podcast link that embedded the audio and UI
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tantek shows a note with POSSE to mastodon, twitter, fb
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tantek and /reposts /facepile, /likes /facepile, /mentions (shows copies from tantek's website and his twitter)
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tantek also shows an errant mention from one of GWG's posts, but from the comments section
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tantek and a weird garbage response from Twitter
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tantek shows a favorite of a tweet
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tantek has * favorited twitter URL
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tantek and also a link-preview of the tweet
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aaronpk haha i heard that
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Loqi rofl
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tantek waves at aaronpk
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aaronpk waves
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tantek schmarty's RSVPs also show a link-preview [more like a /reply-context] of the event he is RSVPing to
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aaronpk i wish we could see the screen on the livestream
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tantek schmarty's shows posting a 360degree photo on his site!
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tantek from last year's IWC NYC
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tantek (NYC2)
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tantek going through last week's newsletter
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aaronpk schmarty: https://news.indieweb.org/en
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tantek shows IndieNews
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tantek shows how he writes the transcript from the newsletter
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tantek plays most recent podcast!
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sebsel schmartyception
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aaronpk good thing I didn't turn on Content ID for my music cause youtube would flag this livestream if I did :)
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schmarty aww dang, content ID
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schmarty oh, whoops, we totally could show the screen on the stream :|
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tantek speaking of IWC Istanbul I thought I saw photos - maybe view twitter here?
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tantek or maybe I saw it in #indieweb-meta via Slack?
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tantek let's get those photos on the wiki page
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@sl007 @chrislaursen @jeremyzilar @ftrain @indiewebcamp https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8z3IzOWfMeo (twitter.com/_/status/914154132029702149)
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tantek schmarty shows a demo of a podcast interview with jjuran showing realtime captions!
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tantek (we're doing extended intros with follow-up Q&A per person because we have five this morning, so we can go deeper)
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aaronpk schmarty: can you switch back to the room while he's introducing himself?
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tantek next up Rob Weychert
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tantek robweychert.com
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schmarty aaronpk: he's in front of the demo machine about to switch to his site
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aaronpk ah k
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tantek just launched a new version of his site two weeks ago
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sebsel pretty!
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tantek v6.robweychert.com - 6th version of his site in the last 15 years
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tantek always been mostly a blog
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tantek this time, wanted to bring everything home
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tantek previous version, had started cross-publishing
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tantek wanted to find everything he had posted elsewhere that he didn't have control over
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tantek and bring it back
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tantek home page has links to some of his other stuff
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tantek twitter and letterboxd is what he uses the most
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tantek letterboxd is a social network for film buffs
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tantek keeps a film diary there
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tantek any time he watches a movie, he puts it into letterboxd
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tantek I watched this movie on this date
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tantek if he wants to rate it he can, this many stars out of 5
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tantek can write a review, tag it
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tantek at the moment only brings reviews back
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tantek about 700+ diaries there, but only about 100-150 reviews
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tantek diary entry = I watched this movie at this time
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tantek the rest is optional
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tantek and he is also starting up a Tiny Letter
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tantek what is watched?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "watched" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek what is viewed
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "viewed" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek what is watch
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Loqi A watch is a semi-passive type of post used to publish that you have watched a video — typically movie, TV show, or other video recordings https://indieweb.org/watch
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tantek has a few different color schemes on his website
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tantek if you refresh it changes
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tantek (home page)
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aaronpk wow that's amazing
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tantek has three different color schemes, will add more
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tantek has per post color schemes setup
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tantek jekyll site
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tantek can partially or fully customize the design of any post
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tantek fully custom by giving it its own template, markup etc.
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tantek or just modifies the CSS or adds some javascript
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tantek what is custom style
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "custom style" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek what is post style
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "post style" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek what is per post style
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "per post style" yet. Would you like to create it?
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aaronpk here's the transparent png of his headshot he was talking about http://v6.robweychert.com/assets/images/-headshot.png
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schmarty ha woah
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tantek v6.robweychert.com/blog/
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tantek browse by source
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tantek showing a post in the v2 version
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tantek letterboxd reviews
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tantek v6.robweychert.com/blog/source/letterboxd
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tantek daily haiku - based on dictionary . com word of the day
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tantek now has 31 sources
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tantek from 31 different social networks and other sites, including The Pastry Box
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schmarty collects short posts into time-based aggregates. for example, haikus are grouped by month. he gathers up short letterboxd reviews in a yearly "loose ends" post.
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tantek stuff he's writen for magazines, people have interviewed him on some sites, wrote a chapter for a book
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tantek (go for it schmarty!)
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schmarty so far publishers have been cool with him re-publishing pieces he wrote for them on his own site
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tantek (now I kind of want to do that with old articles I've written for magazines)
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schmarty is starting a newsletter on tinyletter, using digests of links he collects over the period of a month. anything he shared on social media or highlighted on instapaper.
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@ChrisAldrich @chrislaursen @ftrain You can also follow along in the chat: http://indieweb.org/discuss (twitter.com/_/status/914165536837259264)
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schmarty uses html meter elements to represent ratings on a scale of 0.0 to 1.0 w/ increments of 0.1 to make for a max 5-star rating with half-stars. jekyll replaces the meter elements w/ SVG representing the stars.
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tantek rob is also working on a personal project of a post for every (music) show he has attended
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aaronpk i really like this archive page http://v6.robweychert.com/blog/
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sebsel yes, and the source/topic/year distinction
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aaronpk makes me want to improve the archive pages for my articles
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aaronpk i don't have a skimmable list of articles at all anymore
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aaronpk re: reading times, I have some opinions :)
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tantek what is a reading time
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Loqi reading time is a feature of posts (usually articles) that indicates the expected amount of time (typically in minutes) that it would take to read the post https://indieweb.org/reading_time
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aaronpk oh hey i was already cited on that page https://indieweb.org/irc/2016-02-18/line/1455812120724
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Loqi [aaronpk] don't tell me how fast I read
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aaronpk I guess also I don't necessarily read articles linearly, I like skipping around or skimming
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aaronpk also I don't know how those times are generated so I don't know if I can trust them
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aaronpk am I a fast reader or a slow reader? I don't actually know
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aaronpk so basically I assume it's always wrong
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sebsel as an indication in a list of titles it's useful, but you can just show the wordcount too.
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ben_thatmustbeme I assume everyone is an average speed reader
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aaronpk ben_thatmustbeme: that is certainly true on average :)
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ben_thatmustbeme :)
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aaronpk coffee break
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aaronpk ☕️☕️☕️☕️☕️☕️☕️☕️☕️☕️☕️☕️☕️☕️☕️☕️☕️
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sknebel calumryan++ for mozfest session
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Loqi calumryan has 14 karma in this channel (18 overall)
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dgold hmm
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dgold woodwind ran for me, once, yesterdat
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dgold now keeps returning 404
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tantek ooh did the mozfest session get accepted?
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tantek wants an excuse to go back to London :)
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[miklb] ?
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tantek back from coffee break
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tantek next up Oliver Baptiste
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tantek https://oliverbaptiste.com/
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tantek has come across indieweb materials in google searches
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tantek this event, he found about last week, or maybe this week
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tantek doing some cleanup on his computer
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tantek had a standalone validator on his computer
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tantek referenced favelets
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tantek clicked the link, went to tantek's page (tantek.com/favelets)
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tantek wondered who is this guy, what is he up to
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tantek and it was this (indiewebcamp)
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tantek touched on so many things been thinking about
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tantek have had his own domains since 1990s, 97 or 98
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tantek graduated college in 98, been working in this industry since then
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tantek works at HarperCollins Publishers
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tantek front-end dev with design-eye
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tantek at some point, switched, more of a designer with a fondness to code
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tantek partially with experience more design-related, also goal posts have moved as to what a front-end dev is, like JS stuff
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tantek site has been his portfolio for getting gigs
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tantek his own site was the last site he updated
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tantek (if at all)
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tantek in terms of hosting, started with Network Solutions
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tantek Linux server shared hosting package thing, web forwarding for all his domains
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tantek owns his .net .org also
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tantek glad he did because there's another Oliver Baptiste apparently a DJ
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tantek (shots fire, thrown down)
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tantek fired*
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tantek switched from Linode to Digital Ocean
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tantek current site on a droplet
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tantek their tutorials are great
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tantek started with LAMP box, was very much into installing things himself for the practice of things
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tantek had a WordPress installation at netsol, tried to start it up on the dropleft
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tantek *droplet
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tantek started doing more JS stuff, experimenting with Node
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tantek really attracted to Jekyll
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tantek would rather host a Jekyll installation on his own (than github)
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tantek started using Behance because he has a Creative Cloud account
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tantek needs to update that too
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[miklb] would welcome any designery types to help with his jekyll-indieweb project
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tantek has a codepen, some gists that are useful, jsbin account, ... all these different code accounts that he'd like to collate
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tantek wants to bring a bunch of stuff together
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tantek discussion about what to be public about and not
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tantek posting to a Facebook public group and it broadcasted out to his friends / followers - was a surprise
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tantek wants to be public, but also control presentation for things like jobs, getting gigs
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tantek wants it to be in the context of what he controls
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tantek also a musician, been in a band since highschool
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tantek used to be on mp3.com, and then that folded
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tantek the /site-death thing, been there down that
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tantek on soundcloud now (knocks on wood chair)
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tantek used to be a big last.fm fan
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tantek now a lot on Soundcloud
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tantek tagline was "an audiovisual analog digital individual"
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tantek dealing with challenge of how to reflect aspects of his personality on his personal site, also highlight more of his design focus now vs development focus
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tantek really likes markdown, uses Dayone journal
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tantek what is a portfolio
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Loqi A portfolio on the Indieweb is a professional web page (or collection thereof) targeted at paying customers/clients that often shows examples of work and projects https://indieweb.org/portfolio
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aaronpk ha i like this idea
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aaronpk as someone who has too many projects
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tantek which idea?
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tantek what is disclosure
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Loqi A disclosure is a bit of content, typically on a home page, on an indie web site that proactively discloses some aspect about the site that the site owner wants the user to explicitly be aware of https://indieweb.org/disclosure
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aaronpk oh yeah sorry the stream is delayed
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tantek what is a colophon
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Loqi A colophon is a page or section, like a footer, of a site that describes how the site is made, with what tools, supporting what technologies https://indieweb.org/colophon
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aaronpk the idea of presenting a slightly different home page based on where the visitor came from, to highlight a different aspect of who I am
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aaronpk my first experiment with that (not automatically) was when I switched the posts shown on my home page during the last conference I was at
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tantek yeah! did you cookie them aaronpk so it kept showing them that view even if they just went to your home page?
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aaronpk hah nope but that would have been fun
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tantek wow Zeldman's colophon is from 2004! http://www.zeldman.com/colophon/
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tantek Gruber's colophon references XHTML 4.01 ?
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tantek (there is no such thing)
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[eddie] Is the livestream down? YouTube claims to steaming but then it gives me an error ?
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tantek discussing a core presentation and faceted presentatin
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tantek presentation*
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tantek next up: Matt
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schmarty [eddie]: seems to be working for me
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schmarty though i am the only viewer it seems. ?
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schmarty Matt currently has no site, but has had many in the past
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schmarty posts a lot for work (Ultimaker) and has posted a lot for other venues in the past (Make:, Adafruit)
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schmarty wants a place to post personal content/opinions and get "back on that horse"
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schmarty inspired by /selfdogfood
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schmarty been playing mental "gladiatorial combat" with a handful of domains
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schmarty thinking about having a spectrum of publics on his site. e.g. invite-only spaces to workshop content to a smaller audience before going public.
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schmarty been working in 3D printing and DIY for a while and has a lot of artifacts like designs, pictures, sounds that he wants to share. been stuck in a mode of "you can't come over until i clean my house". looking for model workflows that get over that hump and finish posting things online.
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schmarty thinking of "counter-SEO" strategies. his for-pay social media work has led to a lot of people from industry over-following and over-interacting. e.g. someone from a 3D printing community interacting with his wife's FB posts
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Loqi [superfeedr] "WordCamp Los Angeles" by Chris Aldrich on 2017-09-30 http://boffosocko.com/2017/09/30/wordcamp-los-angeles/
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[eddie] schmarty: must have been my internet. It's working now
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tantek oliver: what's the psychology that gets you to hit the post button?
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tantek up next Jeremy Zilar
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tantek silencematters.com
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tantek tantek: how did you find out about the indieweb?
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[ob] hellooooo
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tantek jeremy: we were at Brooklyn beta
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tantek tantek was telling me about it, I was at NYT, and noted we have space
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tantek so then we organized IWC NYC
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schmarty ob: helloo!!
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tantek first one was downstairs, bigger room, bear was there, Paul Ford showed up
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tantek Atul showed up
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schmarty [ob]: here's that cloudflare SSL + github pages link i mentioned earlier: https://blog.cloudflare.com/secure-and-fast-github-pages-with-cloudflare/
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tantek first IWC NYC: https://indieweb.org/2014#East_Photos
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tantek wait that was the second one
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tantek first IWC NYC was: https://indieweb.org/2014/NYC
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tantek kept a blog internally about blogging, being public on the internet
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tantek called "kitchensink"
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tantek anything that the 300-400 writers/editors at NYT need to know about the system
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tantek some team organization stuff
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tantek walked the building with laptop every day, sat next issues
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tantek shows jeremyzilar.com
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tantek back to silencematters.com
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tantek collection of disparate things, and trying to make them come together
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tantek still running WordPress
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tantek what is a composite stream
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Loqi A composite stream is a stream that interleaves multiple types of posts, such as notes and articles https://indieweb.org/composite_stream
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tantek wants a place to keep things he absolutely loves
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tantek it can be just a list, like this article changed my life
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tantek books, movies
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sknebel can you share the screen somehow? or no gear for that?
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tantek it should be shared
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tantek Jeremy is giving the example of the nytimes.com home page
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KartikPrabhu i only see a google hangouts inception screen
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tantek and how it is heavily customized
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sknebel tantek: only see the hangouts interface
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tantek schmarty ^^^ ?
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schmarty uh oh
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schmarty fixed up
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KartikPrabhu aah there it is
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tantek gov seems to be mostly Drupal. has distrust of WordPress. security etc.
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tantek new site switching CMS
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tantek 3000 posts
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tantek considered various solutions
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tantek https://demo.digital.gov/ in progress
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KartikPrabhu that github posting interface looks nice!
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schmarty it's at demo.digitialgov.gov/new
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schmarty ugh typo. https://demo.digitalgov.gov/new/
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tantek Daigo introduces himself
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tantek also with Adafruit (per schmarty )
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@andrejmrevlje @jeremyzilar @indiewebcamp Yes, I wish I would now know about this. Looks interesting. (twitter.com/_/status/914215530931851265)
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tantek back from break
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tantek more intros
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tantek Hannah, she's really good at spilling blueberries on her laptop
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tantek Evan, an Adafruit developer, has a domain he's had since he was 16, but hasn't used it yet
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tantek ...
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tantek now talking about domain acquisition, i.e. one that's already registered
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tantek do you go through a broker
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tantek or do you approach directly etc.
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Zegnat moves over to IWC on YouTube
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Zegnat Streams looks decent on my end, tantek, schmarty, et al
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schmarty thanks, zegnat!
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Zegnat s/streams/stream
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tantek waves
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Zegnat Voices are a bit harder to lock onto through the mic with several people speaking
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Zegnat waves back at tantek
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tantek Zegnat: hard in the room too
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Zegnat I am heading to bed in a bit. Any idea when the stream might be going up tomorrow?
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Zegnat drops out of stream again
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schmarty Zegnat: we'll probably be starting up around 10am EDT.
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Zegnat 4pm CEST, apparently. I’ll try to swing by!
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Zegnat Have a good time peeps. I am off.
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schmarty o/ goodnight, zegnat!
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@jeremyzilar @indiewebcamp Key principles of building on the indie web 1. Own your data 2. Use visible data for humans first, machines second https://indieweb.org/Principles (twitter.com/_/status/914241433179222016)
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@mpbishop The type of microblog I'd like to replicate. #indieweb #posse https://aaronparecki.com/ (twitter.com/_/status/914252919825977344)
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@mpbishop @aaronpk thanks for the chat just now. Really glad I discovered indieweb. Look forward to taking back control of my content. ? (twitter.com/_/status/914253790248886275)
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