#indieweb 2017-10-06

2017-10-06 UTC
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Loqi Just generated the first draft of this week's newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2017-10-06.html I'll generate a draft again tomorrow, so please add to it before then! https://indieweb.org/this-week#How_to
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[miklb] We should probably start getting the WordPress plugin updates into the newsletter, if that doesn’t get picked up somewhere
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Loqi agreed.
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GWG How?
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aaronpk Write a blog post summary about changes and post it to indienews!
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[miklb] heh, I was looking at how we could grab the atom feed for the releases and automate it, but a blog post would be good too
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BBNZ Any one around these parts having trouble with the indieweb WordPress extensions? Until now it has all worked smoothly, but today I added a post to my site and the web mentions are not showing in the comments, even though the comment counter is listing them.
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BBNZ My site is https://billbennett.co.nz it uses the Zen theme and the indieweb extensions.
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GWG And they are not showing up in facepiles?
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BBNZ No. I can see them on the dashboard and the counter is counting them, but they've stopped showing on the pages. I dealt with a WordPress happiness engineer who says it is something to do with the plug-ins...
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GWG BBNZ: Go into Settings->Discussion and turn off the Facepiles option
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GWG My guess is that you are using Jetpack Comments or such.
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BBNZ Yes, using Jetpack, is there a better option from the indieweb extensions POV?
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BBNZ Thanks that has fixed it. Odd though, it worked fine before with the avatars. Actually it wasn't THAT fine because they would sometimes show up as broken links...
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GWG We have a bug filed with Jetpack comments
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BBNZ Figures. I'm certain that was the problem with the broken links to avatars too.
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GWG Well, caching avatars has been on the list for a while
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BBNZ I'm not much use as a developer, learned Fortran and Pascal... but damn am I good at breaking things.
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GWG BBNZ: That is a useful skill
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GWG We need people to tell us what doesn't work.
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BBNZ I feel a little guilty... like I'm complaining, but you know, I'm really not...
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GWG Why? We want it to work
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BBNZ Ok, in that case I'll keep reporting things... I want it to work
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BBNZ I'm going to give a talk on the Indieweb to the Auckland WordPress meet up next month... aim to whip up a crowd, it's the kind of thing New Zealanders tend to like
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GWG BBNZ: If there is any way I can help, happy to
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BBNZ I'm going to pitch it quite low, and talk mainly about the why... but will cover the extensions in some depth
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GWG There is a lot we all want to do with the extensions
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BBNZ I've had trouble making the Post Properties plug-in work, that would be powerful for me
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GWG You mean Post Kinds, with the Post Properties box in the post editor? What's the issue?
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Going Indie. Step 2: Reclaiming Content · Matthias Ott — User Experience Designer" by Matthias Ott on 2017-10-06 https://medium.com/@m_ott/going-indie-step-2-reclaiming-content-matthias-ott-user-experience-designer-85667a797121?source=rss-------1
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@m_ott Now also on Ev’s blog: Going Indie. Step 2: Reclaiming Content https://medium.com/@m_ott/going-indie-step-2-reclaiming-content-matthias-ott-user-experience-designer-85667a797121 #indieweb #data #privacy (twitter.com/_/status/916195560373280768)
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@jkphl @indiewebcamp Further info http://indieweb.org/2017/Berlin. Pls let me know if I can help you adding yourself to the guest… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/916198661419347968 (twitter.com/_/status/916198661419347968)
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@jkphl Fancy joining us for the @indiewebcamp Berlin Nov 4-5 & hacking on your personal site? You're welcome! Pls register: https://ti.to/tollwerk/indiewebcamp-berlin-2017 (twitter.com/_/status/916198062455959553)
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Loqi [superfeedr] "YouTube Demonetization: The Great Platform Problem" by Jeremy Cherfas on 2017-10-06 https://tedium.co/2017/09/06/youtube-demonetization-problem/
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jeremycherfas Good morning IndieWeb
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amz3` morning
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Loqi *yawn*
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schmarty morning!
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Loqi guten morgen
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rMdes_ !tell tantek HWC.brussels is not dead, but indeed we didn't followed other HWC format from the begining. we are 2 guys driving the club here, we moved to a newly digital hub in brussels just recently, we had 3 events in total, 1 to launch the club, another focused on selfhosting, and the third one was specific about indieweb but we only got 1 person to come, that was before summer. sadly we didn't documented as much we would like to
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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rMdes_ be in the future. our plan right now is to relaunch for november, integrate our activities in the global wiki, foster more community participation by including interested people into the creation of the club
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rMdes_ !tell tantek : we're also going to move to a fixed date meetup so that people can expect when we meet and prep their agenda accordingly. one of the first task we're going to optimize will be to systematically make sure what we do is visible on the indieweb wiki. we both had hectic last few months at personal level and that didn't managed to help give a decent amount of time and energy to make sure hwc.brussels is sustainable and
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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rMdes_ operating on it's own, but we'll focus on all this now that we're back on our feet :)
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sebsel rMdes_ Try to keep your !tell's within the IRC limit, then Loqi will catch the full message ;)
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sebsel Brussels is not that far for me, hope to attend it one day!
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rMdes_ ahhh hmm ups sorry, indeed
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rMdes_ you're more than welcome :)
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rMdes_ I should also try to move to nearby cities to learn from other HWC's
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Loqi definitely
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sebsel I have a new job, but once that settles a bit more I would love to start one in the Netherlands again. :) on my list of things!
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@pfanderson Decentralized Web Pt 3: Join the IndieWeb https://metaverse.wordpress.com/2017/09/10/decentralized-web-pt-3-indieweb/ (twitter.com/_/status/916318254146179074)
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@pfanderson If I didn't already love @busterbenson I would be enchanted all over again by this https://metaverse.wordpress.com/2017/09/10/decentralized-web-pt-3-indieweb/ (twitter.com/_/status/916321403221299200)
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jjuran https://help.aol.com/articles/aim-discontinued
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jjuran What is AIM?
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Loqi AIM is AOL Instant Messenger https://indieweb.org/AIM
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[eddie] What a strange world in which AIM will no longer exist
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tantek good morning #indieweb
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Loqi tantek: rMdes_ left you a message 2 hours, 15 minutes ago: HWC.brussels is not dead, but indeed we didn't followed other HWC format from the begining. we are 2 guys driving the club here, we moved to a newly digital hub in brussels just recently, we had 3 events in total, 1 to launch the club, another focused on selfhosting, and the third one was specific about indieweb but we only got 1 person to come, that was before summer. sadly we didn't documented as much we would like to
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Loqi tantek: rMdes_ left you a message 1 hour, 57 minutes ago: : we're also going to move to a fixed date meetup so that people can expect when we meet and prep their agenda accordingly. one of the first task we're going to optimize will be to systematically make sure what we do is visible on the indieweb wiki. we both had hectic last few months at personal level and that didn't managed to help give a decent amount of time and energy to make sure hwc.brussels is sustainable and
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tantek checks logs to see if anyone posted about the AIM news
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tantek rMdes_ totally sympathize with that. if there's anything I or anyone else here in IRC / chat can help with - wiki editing, etc. - please reach out! :)
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tantek !tell rMdes_ if you can share with me the dates (and preferably links too) of the announcements / events (on any site / silo) for the three HWC.brussels meetups so far, I can make sure they're documented on the wiki so we have a record of the meetups no matter how small! 2+ people counts!
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek ok yeah the AIM site-death / service-death is quite odd
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tantek one of the oldest services I've used
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tantek and technically a "buddylist" silo as it were - as presumably that disappears with the shutdown
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tantek anyone know of a way to export your buddylist?
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tantek like into a page of h-cards ?
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rMdes_ tantek, previous events are here, less the one on selfhosting https://www.meetup.com/HWC-Brussels/events/past/?scroll=true
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rMdes_ I don't think we created an event for it but I'm going to confirm with Nico
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tantek rMdes_++ thank you! I'll make sure they're all documented on the wiki
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Loqi rmdes has 4 karma in this channel (9 overall)
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tantek for any future events, if you can post them at least a week in advance (to the wiki, or have someone help you do so), then I can make sure they're announced in the Mozilla Monday Morning weekly project meetings (publicly broadcast on air.mozilla.org).
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rMdes_ that's great, that's our plan for upcoming events: make them part of the indieweb larger community & comms
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rMdes_ thank you for addint them to the wiki
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schmarty tantek: the old oscar AIM protocol would sync your buddylist to your client each time you connected, it was up to clients to cache this info or not and make it exportable or not.
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schmarty (iirc)
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tantek this sounds familiar
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tantek I have a vague memory of writing a script that constructed hCards from local buddylist somehow. Maybe AppleScript. hmm
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tantek whoa 2005! http://tantek.com/microformats/buddylist2hcards.html
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Loqi Tantek ̽elik
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jjuran It’s one thing to know who your buddies are/were, and another to have an alternate means of contacting them.
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tantek I think that was before github
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tantek jjuran - indeed - re: "alternate means of contacting" - what do you think is a good "protocol" to let people know?
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tantek I wonder if that is scriptable as well, like "hey since AIM is shutting down, you can reach me at ..."
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tantek auto-send to all your buddylist contacts
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tantek yeah that open source is ~3y older than GitHub
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tantek so perhaps I should share it there?
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jjuran I’m not sure what you mean. I have some buddies whose only contact info I have is AIM. To reach them, presumably I’d use AIM. :-)
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tantek jjuran - that's the point. script your AIM client to auto-send to all of them on AIM a message like "hey since AIM is shutting down, you can reach me at ..."
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tantek worth uploading to github?
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aaronpk i guess i should try logging in to my AIM account to see who's there
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schmarty tantek: i think it's worth uploading
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tantek I mean the AppleScript only worked with the old iChat client so I have no idea if it works with any modern client - but perhaps it would be useful? or a starting point to update?
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schmarty great use of a nicknames cache, too
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tantek I wonder if Adium is scriptable to extract this stuff
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schmarty find all aim buddies that don't already exist in your cache, only message the folks that you don't already have alternate contact info for.
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tantek schmarty - it's also an opportunity to make sure they have alternate contact info for *you*
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tantek e.g. your /contact page
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tantek which is then also a nice nudge to get them to make their own /contact page
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schmarty true. a harder task to prove that the aim buddy already has your contact info.
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aaronpk oh i forgot you could SMS people through it
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tantek "Want a cool contact page like that? Join the IndieWeb chat via IRC/Slack indieweb.org/discuss and say hi!"
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aaronpk i have some SMS contacts still
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schmarty iirc AIM eventually implemented some pretty strong rate-limiting to prevent mass-messaging like this :}
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tantek insert delay into script accordingly
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aaronpk oh my, found this list of twitter apps that Biz sent to twitter users in 2007 http://twitter.pbworks.com/w/page/1779726/Apps
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tantek oh hey a Twitter dev site with URls that still work :)
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aaronpk heh
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aaronpk they even properly redirected the old pbwiki URL
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tantek aaronpk, TONS more Twitter history if you want to deep dive from the home page
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aaronpk i bet! i had totally forgotten about this wiki
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tantek Twitter << [http://twitter.pbworks.com/ Original Twitter Fan Wiki] - lots of early Twitter history
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Loqi ok, I added "[http://twitter.pbworks.com/ Original Twitter Fan Wiki] - lots of early Twitter history" to the "See Also" section of /Twitter
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@nhoizey @piouPiouM @edasfr https://indieweb.org/indieauth-fr (twitter.com/_/status/916378894021939200)
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[chrisaldrich] !tell GWG, do you have a link to the Jetpack issue from yesterday for facepiles working in the recent WP plugin update? I suspect that BBNZ's problem is related to this: https://github.com/Automattic/jetpack/issues/7357#issuecomment-309192660
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi [chrisaldrich]: dgold left you a message 2 days, 2 hours ago: Hey Chris, your checkins show up in my woodwind with a GIGANTIC svg 'pin' graphic
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Loqi [kraftbj] As an aside, I haven't written this up yet for internal discussion, but I would like us to evaluate the "modern" open web standards that are coming out -- webmentions, websub (formerly PubSubHubbub), jsonfeed, etc -- and see how we/WP.com could play ...
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tantek welcome [kraftbj]!
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[chrisaldrich] tantek, I think that Kraftbj reference was Loqi parsing the link for that github page, not him actually in the chat...
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tantek so confused
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tantek oh right, the line *starts* with "Loqi: "
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[chrisaldrich] but his comment there was very encouraging....
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[chrisaldrich] GWG++
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Loqi gwg has 217 karma in this channel (261 overall)
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[chrisaldrich] Pfefferle++ for facepiling in WordPress
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Loqi pfefferle has 24 karma in this channel (34 overall)
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[chrisaldrich] It's only been an itch for me since early July, but the effect is awesome!! http://boffosocko.com/2017/07/11/the-facebook-algorithm-mom-problem/#Likes+Reposts
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Loqi [Chris Aldrich] The Facebook Algorithm Mom Problem
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "HWC Frederick Oct 06 2017 Wrap-Up" https://eddiehinkle.com/2017/10/06/11/article/
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "https://matthiasott.com/articles/going-indie-reclaiming-content" https://matthiasott.com/articles/going-indie-reclaiming-content (from https://eddiehinkle.com/2017/10/06/14/note/)
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Loqi Just generated this week's newsletter! You still have a few minutes to make changes, and I'll re-generate it 10 minutes before it gets sent out at 3pm Pacific time. https://indieweb.org/this-week/2017-10-06.html
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "Decentralized Web Pt 3: Join the IndieWeb" https://metaverse.wordpress.com/2017/09/10/decentralized-web-pt-3-indieweb/ (from https://eddiehinkle.com/2017/10/06/15/note/)
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[chrisaldrich] Oh drat, I'm going to miss the newsletter deadline... next week then...
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KartikPrabhu Loqi pause newsletter
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KartikPrabhu good thing that doesn't work!
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[chrisaldrich] It's alrigh, it'll be a bit before I'm done. And then we'll have something for next week.
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@EddieHinkle Homebrew Website Club Frederick’s blog post overviewing our meeting on October 4th, 2017 https://eddiehinkle.com/2017/10/06/11/article/ (twitter.com/_/status/916405854580088832)
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Loqi Generated the final version of the newsletter! This will be sent out at 3pm Pacific time. https://indieweb.org/this-week/2017-10-06.html
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BBNZ Sorry GWG... I went off to dinner last night and left your question hanging...
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GWG No problem.
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Loqi GWG: [chrisaldrich] left you a message 2 hours, 36 minutes ago: you have a link to the Jetpack issue from yesterday for facepiles working in the recent WP plugin update? I suspect that BBNZ's problem is related to this: https://github.com/Automattic/jetpack/issues/7357#issuecomment-309192660
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tantek oh hey nice photos in the newsletter everyone!
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BBNZ On the Post Properties Wordpress plus-in, this doesn't seem to respond to almost any URL I enter in the field. I guess that's because the site at the other end has to be configured in a particular way. What do I need to look for before I CAN refer to a post this way? No offence, but this plug-in's documentation leaves a lot to the imagination
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BBNZ Loqi: that's the problem, right there. Odd thing is it WAS working for a while, but I've only recently noticed that it stopped working. I can't identify which code changes stopped it from working.
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GWG BBNZ: Documentation submissions are always appreciated.
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GWG RE the Post Properties retrieval thing, I have an open issue on that one I need to trace down.
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GWG I was working on the Facepiles thing, which regrettably didn't work for you, and the H-Card Widget, which broke some people's sites due a PHP version issue.
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GWG I'm having a bad track record this month
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GWG Shame, I did so well in July
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@indiewebcamp This week in the #indieweb https://indieweb.org/this-week/2017-10-06.html https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DLfNJBMUMAAZLnz.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/916426616695177216)
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tantek unfortunate cropping in that first (main) photo in the tweet that cropped out Hannah!
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tantek so I suppose the lesson there is to keep in mind Twitter's square cropping of photos in the summary view
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tantek and provide extra buffer on the sides or top if you're taking a landscape or portrait aspect ratio photo
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aaronpk oops haha and we lost 2 people from the pdx photo too
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Loqi nice
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