#indieweb 2017-10-20

2017-10-20 UTC
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Media companies should own their websites + audience relationships. #indieweb, I want to see your applications. https://matter.vc/apply" by Ben Werdmüller on 2017-10-11 https://werd.io/2017/media-companies-should-own-their-websites-audience-relationships-indieweb-i
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Homebrew Website Club: March 8, 2017" by Ben Werdmüller on 2017-03-06 https://werd.io/2017/homebrew-website-club-march-8-2017
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Why we built Known" by Ben Werdmüller on 2015-12-08 https://werd.io/2015/why-is-known-the-best-way-to-solve-your-community
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Two years of being on the #indieweb" by Ben Werdmüller on 2015-07-11 https://werd.io/2015/two-years-of-being-on-the-indieweb
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Loqi Just generated the first draft of this week's newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2017-10-20.html I'll generate a draft again tomorrow, so please add to it before then! https://indieweb.org/this-week#How_to
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gRegorLove Hah, the Mumble screenshot ^ Nice.
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Zegnat Hmm, maybe I should move that Mumble screenshot down the list, so the other photos get priority
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Ruxton Zegnat: you could make the first post of the newsletter a kind of summary or Table of Contents, with it's own image in it?
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GWG Morning
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p_mech M'ning
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Zegnat Ruxton, possibly? I haven’t looked at the code behind the newsletter.
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GWG Anyone up to anything interesting?
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j4y_funabashi morning all
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GWG I have been thinking about bookmarks
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GWG I was thinking of implementing read vs unread.
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j4y_funabashi I used to use bookmarks and likes but now generally only use likes as they pretty much mean the same thing for me
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GWG Like has an emotional component
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GWG I want to eventually own my bookmarks
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j4y_funabashi do you currently use another service?
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GWG Pinboard
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j4y_funabashi I have had a little bookmarklet on my phone for most of this year and it has highlighted the fact that most of the content I post is photos + likes/bookmarks
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GWG I am considering writing a Pinboard importer.
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j4y_funabashi does pinboard have a 'mark as read' feature?
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GWG Yes
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GWG Or an unread one
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j4y_funabashi cool, looks like they have an api aswell so shouldn;t be too tricky to convert to micropub requests
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GWG Exactly
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GWG I'm not sure I would do an OwnMyBoard
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GWG I may just write a WordPress plugin
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j4y_funabashi an interesting thought came up in a recent IWC session - using likes/bookmarks as a way to build up a 'recommended reading' list
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GWG Recommended? For me or others?
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j4y_funabashi for you, so if you like a page with a feed, I could walk that feed and recommend other posts by that person
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j4y_funabashi kind of turns a like into an implicit follow
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GWG Interesting
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GWG One thing at a time
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GWG Or for me, 10
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j4y_funabashi :)
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GWG I am working on some other things, so haven't gotten to bookmarks
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j4y_funabashi Yeah, I have been enjoying the increase in activity on your site
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GWG Well, testing Own Your Swarm and Gram, and need to now build better local support now that I have data to play with
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j4y_funabashi nice
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GWG Also, when I am at home, less interesting
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j4y_funabashi I am slowly building up a reader backend system which aaronpk pointed out is actually called microsub
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sknebel what is microsub?
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Loqi Microsub is an early draft of a spec that provides a standardized way for clients to consume and interact with feeds collected by a server https://indieweb.org/microsub
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j4y_funabashi GWG: true, holidays always produce more interesting things to post about
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GWG I just checked in and did photos
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GWG What am I supposed to do with Swarm coins?
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sknebel buy stickers, so you can get more swarm coins
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GWG I meant when passed to my site
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GWG I think aaronpk displays them
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sknebel yes. I personally would probably not show them, since I don't know what use they'd have
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Zegnat I guess you could keep track of them, or something? I wonder if aaronpk does anything with them other than displaying them.
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GWG We'll find out when he wakes
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GWG But I have to agree with chrisaldrich that using Instagram and Swarm as just UIs to your website is easy enough.
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aaronpk nah i just show them like comments
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GWG aaronpk: To what end?
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aaronpk it's just part of owning my swarm data i guess
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aaronpk it's there on swarm so i want it on my site too
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skippy https://cleverdevil.io/2017/microblog-is-now-my-primary-social-media-timeline is interesting to me. Are those all micro.blog published sources? Or is that an aggregation of external content? I cant tell. I'd like to know more
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Loqi [Jonathan LaCour] Micro.blog is now my primary social media timeline. https://cleverdevil.io/file/93f4bdb5d6215292bb0a2d5d4ed9794e/thumb.jpg
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aaronpk IIRC the micro.blog timeline only shows people with micro.blog accounts
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skippy i see. thanks.
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GWG Do we have anyone doing read and unread for bookmarks?
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GWG Still looking at that
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sknebel I know some people have "want to read" posts, but I'm not sure anyone is explicitly having it as a state on bookmarks
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[eddie] GWG: I've played with that but as a new "read" type rather than bookmark type. Because I had the desire to track videos to watch and articles to read
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[eddie] Unfortunately all of them are old enough they have fallen off the feeds on my site
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[eddie] But recently, I've been thinking "want to read/watch/etc" isn't a public post type for me as much as a channel in a microsub reader is the direction I want to head. (I have a half written blog post on this)
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[eddie] and then from there I can react with a bookmark for something important to remember or a like if I enjoyed it or a repost if I want to share it
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GWG I want to replace something like Pinboard or Pocket
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[eddie] Exactly, I'm trying to replace Instapaper
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sknebel I would probably just handle with a category on bookmark posts, at least as long I don't want a more complcated state progression
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petermolnar in the meanwhile, I'm on my way to move to Pocket
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petermolnar because metadata extraction from random website doesn't cover my reading of 'fun'
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GWG Why Pocket?
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petermolnar because their API exposes things like author
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GWG I already have metadata extraction
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petermolnar and because it works cross-platform cross-browser
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petermolnar not mf2
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petermolnar more or less anything
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petermolnar I got tired of trying to reinvent the wheel
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GWG Been there
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GWG But WordPress is robust enough to handle what I want
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petermolnar I won't say I'm not having second thoughts about my move out of WordPress - some things are easier with a framework
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petermolnar but I do enjoy my current simplicity
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GWG I understand
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GWG I go both ways
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GWG I still would like to integrate my site with my bookmarks at some point
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petermolnar using Pocket doesn't mean I can't simply pull/pesos it
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GWG Even if I do a PESOS operation
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petermolnar or PASTA it ;)
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sknebel regarding readers, I wonder if any of the existing ones have useful enough APIs to use them as a backend
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petermolnar tt-rss?
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skippy https://miniflux.net/documentation/json-rpc-api maybe? I'm a big fan of miniflux.
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sknebel yeah, or potentially even hosted ones
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sknebel oh, I hadn't seen miniflux before
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sknebel what is miniflux?
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Loqi Miniflux is minimalist feed reader software https://indieweb.org/Miniflux
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skippy i got fed up with the tt-rss author being such a jerk that I didn't want to use his work anymore.
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skippy and miniflux works great with sqlite, which is fine for my needs.
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Loqi [superfeedr] "The Decentralized Social Web" by Jeremy Cherfas on 2017-10-13 https://www.recallact.com/presentation/decentralized-social-web
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skippy "Sorry
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skippy Because of its privacy settings, this video cannot be played here.
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skippy "
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jeremycherfas Yeah. I found the original. Hang on.
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jeremycherfas As you were, skippy. That link plays for me. In Safari.
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skippy weird.
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sknebel if I remember right, vimeos embedding restrictions are kind of messy and love to break with varying browser configs
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sknebel (blocker extensions, cookie settings, ...)
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petermolnar miniflix looks interesting
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jeremycherfas I have ublock on and it runs.
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skippy i have ublock origin and privacybadger
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skippy probably privacybadger blocking the vimeo cookies.
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petermolnar skippy thanks for pointing at miniflux, so far I really like it
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skippy aye. it scratches all my RSS itches. Although it's a little more finnicky about parsing problems, and marks feeds as "inactive" more aggressively than I'd like.
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skippy I keep meaning to find a way to fix that, but get distracted...
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sknebel wasn't clear to me from the website, does it have the "traditional google reader" view with the feeds at the left and the content in the main pane? or does it only have the stream-cnetric view?
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skippy default layout is "river of news" stream.
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skippy but there are some themes available that i've never tried https://miniflux.net/themes
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GWG I use tt-rss
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GWG But I am not attached to it
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sknebel skippy: thx, then I'll have to look for something else (or add my own frontend to it)
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sknebel e.g. miniflux feed parser seems to have custom rules to fetch extended content from sites that have only limited feeds, that's nice to have and needless busywork to replicate
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skippy sknebel: yeah, miniflux is certainly opinionated about presentation. i happen to like the opinion, but if your workflow or preferences are different than it might not be the best for you.
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Loqi [superfeedr] "I'm still a little hazy on the plumbing details of all the bits and pieces of IndieWeb but I would have thought that if withKnown" by Jeremy Cherfas on 2017-10-20 http://stream.jeremycherfas.net/2017/im-still-a-little-hazy-on-the-plumbing-details-of
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[cleverdevil] @skippy, what you are seeing in my post above is a macOS full screen split-view with the Micro.blog macOS app on the left, and Tweetbot with multiple columns on the right.
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tbbrown tantek: an opportunity exists (via doc searls) to write an article for linux journal (due date: 11/6). please let me know if you or someone else would like to do that
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tantek tbbrown: sounds like a good opportuinty!
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tbbrown tantek: i think so
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tantek tbbrown I'm interested, but there's also folks here like KevinMarks that has more recent experience writing for publications that may be interested
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tbbrown tantek: i concur
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tantek http://www.kevinmarks.com/#Recent%20Publications
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tbbrown tantek: cool! what's the best way to see if kevein is interested?
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tantek probably something like this
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tbbrown ok
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tantek !tell kevinmarks hey tbbrown is looking for someone #indieweb to write an article for linux journal (due date: 11/6), please let him know ASAP if you're interested!
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek :)
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tbbrown thanks!
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tantek tbbrown: no problem! hopefully we'll hear from Kevin in the next day or two. if he's busy then consider me a backup :)
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tbbrown tantek: sounds good!
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tantek Zegnat, I moved the Mumble screenshot down the list as you suggested, I agree
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tantek reading back to https://chat.indieweb.org/2017-10-16#t1508187613538000 and following, I'm not sure /excerpt is worthy of its own article, and rather is just one kind of /summary (so could be merged into a section there)
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Loqi [snarfed] ah ok. feel free to replace excerpt with a redirect there
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tantek or one way to do a summary
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tantek certainly no reason to jump to distinguishing with a new mf2 property! (which no one even bothered to show or ask for a use-case before proposing which kinda surprised me)
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tantek anyway I plan on doing that merge -> section for /excerpt before the newsletter goes out if there are no objections
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snarfed tantek++
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Loqi tantek has 225 karma in this channel (391 overall)
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Zegnat I haven’t been at the computer yet and hate editing the wiki on phone.
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Zegnat tantek++ for moving mumble screenshot for me
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Loqi tantek has 226 karma in this channel (392 overall)
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Loqi Just generated this week's newsletter! You still have a few minutes to make changes, and I'll re-generate it 10 minutes before it gets sent out at 3pm Pacific time. https://indieweb.org/this-week/2017-10-20.html
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[chrisaldrich] dsearls++ for Jumping into the pool! http://customercommons.org/2017/10/19/digging-indieweb/
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Loqi [chrisaldrich]: [jeremycherfas] left you a message 1 day, 2 hours ago: looping like crazy.
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Loqi [Doc Searls] For perspective, we are at #2 above, spreading some love at IIW (the Internet Identity Workshop) toward Indieweb, at a breakout session hosted by Tom Brown. I’ve always liked Indieweb, and have wanted to be involved with it, but have found myself i...
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Loqi Generated the final version of the newsletter! This will be sent out at 3pm Pacific time. https://indieweb.org/this-week/2017-10-20.html
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tantek looks good
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@indiewebcamp This week in the #indieweb https://indieweb.org/this-week/2017-10-20.html https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DMnTZXKUEAA-sn2.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/921500036504043520)
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tantek ok that's odd - no idea why the vHWC screenshot didn't make it into that tweet - looks like it's marked up right
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tantek and it's in the newsletter
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[kevinmarks] hm, I didn't get a webmention from Doc
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Loqi [kevinmarks]: tantek left you a message 6 hours, 46 minutes ago: hey tbbrown is looking for someone #indieweb to write an article for linux journal (due date: 11/6), please let him know ASAP if you're interested!
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[kevinmarks] !tell tbbrown I would be interested, yes - email me kevinmarks@gmail.com
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi [superfeedr] "I would love to talk #indieweb with you Doc, but I'm UK based now" by Kevin Marks on 2017-10-20 http://known.kevinmarks.com/2017/i-would-love-to-talk-indieweb-with-you-doc-but
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