#indieweb 2017-11-22

2017-11-22 UTC
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sgreger hi. i can't really find a suitable place on the wiki to save this link, but think it's relevant for discussion (re: gen2) - maybe somebody has an idea where to put it? https://www.poynter.org/news/after-watching-gothamist-and-dnainfo-disappear-journalist-built-tool-help-others-save-their
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curve25519 My half baked "twitter" feed, generated with golang + OPML file heh https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/LuEcZ0EL/feeds.html
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sgreger savemy.news is neither PESOS nor POSSE, but the underlying use case is similar to indieweb/gen2
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curve25519 better url https://feed-kodo.hashbase.io/feeds.html
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Loqi Portland, Oregon
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Zegnat sgreger, that looks mostly like a bookmarking tool that also pings all the public online archives
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sgreger zegnat: indeed. the only difference being that the core idea behind the concept is to not bookmark other people's work (which i assume is the common use case for bookmarks) but "to archive your own work as a journalist" before site deaths take them down
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Zegnat It is interesting how they depend 100% on third-party archiving services though. I wonder if that really is effective in the long run.
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sgreger i believe the indieweb approach (own your content in the first place) is the more robust approach. but it is an interesting reference case for others identifying the same needs, and what they come up with
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@rMdes_ - Co-Captain @armadabxl Digital Transition toolbox #consulting for #NGOs #socent - reLaunching Homebrew Website Club @HwcBrussels with @ncollig_net - Founder/Editor @EUwatchers @PolBegov #EU?? #BE?? NewsBot https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DPOHoL8V4AYAC_l.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/933238693719977984)
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@jackysee @ChrisAldrich hi, looking at how to POSSE bookmark to twitter and found your site at http://indieweb.org . What service you use? Bridgy? (twitter.com/_/status/933241211946541056)
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[jeremycherfas] @sgreger I saw that last night and saved it to read later, thinking I might add it to /journalists, which I believe exists.
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[jeremycherfas] What is journalism?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "journalism" yet. Would you like to create it?
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[jeremycherfas] What is journalist?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "journalist" yet. Would you like to create it?
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[jeremycherfas] I know there’s something. Will look when I am on a proper machine.
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KartikPrabhu what is indieweb for journalism
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Loqi Indieweb for Journalism is the application of Indieweb principles to one's personal site with a particular emphasis on use cases for journalists, photographers, editors, related bloggers and platforms which are publishing their work https://indieweb.org/Indieweb_for_Journalism
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KartikPrabhu [jeremycherfas]: ^^
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sgreger KartikPrabhu: ah, that page led me to read about PASTA - savemy.news is basically that, isn't it
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sgreger [jeremycherfas]: great, that looks like a good place to archive that
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KartikPrabhu what is PASTA?
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Loqi PASTA is an acronym/abbreviation for Publish Anywhere, Save To (private) Archive, the practice of automatically saving a copy of whatever you post on (social media) silos to someplace else under your own control, like a private directory on your own server, or a local folder on your laptop that is less vulnerable to site-death https://indieweb.org/PASTA
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KartikPrabhu sgreger: yeah that seems to be it
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sgreger what was the shortcut again to ask loqi to add that link to the wiki page? ;)
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "shortcut again to ask loqi to add that link to the wiki page" yet. Would you like to create it?
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KartikPrabhu sgreger: <<
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KartikPrabhu indieweb for journalism << https://www.poynter.org/news/after-watching-gothamist-and-dnainfo-disappear-journalist-built-tool-help-others-save-their
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Loqi ok, I added "https://www.poynter.org/news/after-watching-gothamist-and-dnainfo-disappear-journalist-built-tool-help-others-save-their" to the "See Also" section of /Indieweb_for_Journalism
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KartikPrabhu sgreger: that do what you want ^ ?
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sgreger yes, thx KartikPrabhu! and this:
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sgreger PASTA << https://github.com/pastpages/savemy.news
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Loqi [pastpages] savemy.news: Save My News: A personal, permanent clipping service
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Loqi ok, I added "https://github.com/pastpages/savemy.news" to the "See Also" section of /PASTA
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[kevinmarks] This is very interesting on the problems of a chat centred culture https://work.qz.com/1128150/your-companys-slack-is-probably-sexist/
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[jgmac1106] Thank you for sharing kevinmarks. I am teaching in Slack this semester and trying to explicitly teach D&I principles. This will help.
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[jgmac1106] I don't know what to do about assertiveness versus hedging. If people have tips please share. Do I encourage women stop apologizing? Do I tell men not to take a position on issues without hedging or offering a qualifier?
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[jgmac1106] Also makes me think the problem starts in K12. The new Common Core curriculum stresses argumentation and being the "most right" Is it our K12 writing curriculum that builds in these discourse patterns?
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[markmhendrickso kevinmarks++
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Loqi kevinmarks has 215 karma in this channel (288 overall)
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@xandruCea Ready 4 #homebrew website club @tollwerk! Just got some sweets together with @cowglow! https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DPQCuduXcAAUFXv.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/933374031637745664)
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jeremycherfas Hello IndieWeb
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aaronpk good morning
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Loqi morning!
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jeremycherfas That's nice. I get back from a day out and about to discover that KartikPrabhu and sgreger have already done the one thing on my indie todo list.
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sknebel good morning!
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tantek jeremycherfas: that's always a nice surprise!
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jeremycherfas It is indeed.
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tantek were they to-do/itches/working-on items on your User: page?
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tantek or was it mere coincidence?
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jeremycherfas It was a note I made to myself this morning when seeing the mention by sgreger of savemy.news
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aaronpk whoa, this blog looks like pinterest http://michaelteeuw.nl/
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aaronpk oh it's a tumblr theme!
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[cleverdevil] ?
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@jkphl First Homebrew Website Club Nürnberg since September! #indieweb https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DPQXmjmW0AABZ8v.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/933396989479440387)
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@MuteDialog @Urbit_Today @ErlAdptrBTC @motherboard @urbit Reminds me of #indieweb movement (twitter.com/_/status/933433676620357633)
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tantek that thread lol
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@esra_malkoc_ An Alphabet of IndieWeb Building Blocks: Article to Z: http://tantek.com/2015/224/b1/alphabet-indieweb via @t (twitter.com/_/status/933434886622466048)
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[kevinmarks] If you are introducing them into the space, you can model good behaviour for them, and encourage those who behave well and warn those who don't.
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tantek kevinmarks I believe last time we chatted about Urbit we decided it was quite hopeless
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tantek but if you can find an opportunity there, that would be good
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tantek kevinmarks at first glance it appears urbit also falls into the category of, can't actually do their own simple plain text notes so they're instead posting plain text notes *only* to Twitter
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[kevinmarks] I think it's more up itself than most of the "Let's replace dns first" projects.
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@xandruCea #Homebrew website club is done! I started again from scratch, but this time no @getbootstrap, pure html and css! #indieweb #indiedev. check it out on https://alex-cio.de https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DPRbFghXUAIBZLj.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/933471338416803841)
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GWG This is just disappointing. http://datamine.mta.info/ - I can't view their sample app I can't visit their app gallery....
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GWG So much for open data
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[chrisaldrich] !tell sgreger, Re: Savemy.news: I was actually chatting with Ben Welsh last week and had added his tool at the /archival_copy page and added an archive section to /Indieweb_for_Journalism. Thanks for adding it to /PASTA as well.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[chrisaldrich] Hello GWG
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GWG Hello, [chrisaldrich]. Happy Pre-Thanksgiving. What's up?
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[chrisaldrich] Found a few quiet minutes between manufacturing desserts to play some catch up here.
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GWG I'm waiting to carpool for the holidays.
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[chrisaldrich] I got some time to play with WP 4.9 and the new post kinds last night, so it's all installed and ready to test hopefully tonight.
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GWG [chrisaldrich]: Keep me posted. I'm going to try to look at some of the issues over the coming days in between hiding from family and Black Friday deals
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[chrisaldrich] I've seen a lot of people grousing about the PressThis bookmarklet exclusion. Does it affect the Indieweb versions? I haven't tested it yet myself.
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GWG [chrisaldrich]: It shouldn't.
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[chrisaldrich] Where are you travelling to?
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[chrisaldrich] GWG that MTA appears to be an overly proud Drupal install, maybe that's why it doesn't like you? ?
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GWG [chrisaldrich]: I'm heading upstate.
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GWG But, I just thought it would be interesting to do something with transit data.
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GWG Hmm... http://bustime.mta.info/wiki/Developers/Index
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@ChrisAldrich @kristenhare A growing group of journalists are joining the IndieWeb movement to better own their work and data within their own personal archives as well as using tools like Ben's to archive their work on larger institutional repositories. There's a… http://stream.boffosocko.com/2017/a-growing-group-of-journalists-are-joining-the-indieweb-movement (twitter.com/_/status/933481410354143237)
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Loqi [superfeedr] "@kristenhare A growing group of journalists are joining the IndieWeb movement to better own their work and data within their own personal archives as well" by Chris Aldrich on 2017-11-22 http://stream.boffosocko.com/2017/a-growing-group-of-journalists-are-joining-the-indieweb-movement
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[chrisaldrich] I see that itinerary itch shining through GWG.... first planes, then buses... next it'll be cabs and lyfts...