#indieweb 2017-12-04

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[kevinmarks] Close then - 428 https://camo.githubusercontent.com/9bbddae7e626bda73c943e06b4568a7a02e193b4/68747470733a2f2f6564656e742e6769746875622e696f2f537570657254696e7949636f6e732f696d616765732f7376672f747769747465722e737667
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tantek interesting, that's the button style
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tantek is there just the icon style? like the bird by itself
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tantek (that button style is very good for /contact page tho)
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@ChrisAldrich @CodingItWrong @jeremywsherman @wookiee @davedelong I keep meaning to install Wallabag which is an indieweb-esque open source project that's a Pocket replacement. Perhaps that's your cup of tea? https://github.com/wallabag/wallabag/ (twitter.com/_/status/937481624018661381)
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Loqi [superfeedr] "@CodingItWrong @jeremywsherman @wookiee @davedelong I keep meaning to install Wallabag which is an indieweb-esque open source project that's a Pocket replacement. Perhaps that's your cup" by Chris Aldrich on 2017-12-04 http://stream.boffosocko.com/2017/codingitwrong-jeremywsherman-wookiee-davedelong-i-keep-meaning-to-install-wallabag
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[kevinmarks] Maybe I should add search to svgur.com
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[kevinmarks] http://svgur.com/s/2qr
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Loqi Twitter iconza http://svgur.com/i/2qr.svg
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[kevinmarks] https://twitter.com/RowanKaiser/status/936849208308523009
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tantek that first one is so not on-brand
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[kevinmarks] plumbing << https://twitter.com/RowanKaiser/status/936849208308523009
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Loqi Sorry, I couldn't sign in to the wiki
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tantek that drop shadow is definitely a no-no per Twitter brand guidelines
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tantek what no tweet unfurling?
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[kevinmarks] I know, I was amused by it
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[kevinmarks] Loqi said he couldn't sign into the wiki
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tantek huh
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[kevinmarks] There is this version https://shkspr.mobi/blog/2017/05/the-twitter-logo-as-svg-circles/
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Loqi [@edent] The Twitter Logo As SVG Circles
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aaronpk Oops I think I forgot to update the other Loqi wiki command
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vivus does my text appear in the slack channel?
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[kevinmarks] Yes vivus
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vivus interesting. thanks
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@billbennettnz Helpful post for anyone planning to go Indieweb with WordPress https://islandinthenet.com/indieweb-wordpress/ via @khurtwilliams (twitter.com/_/status/937509009363320832)
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@HongPong The first release of Linkback module for #Drupal 8 tagged, provides #pingback and #webmention functionality https://www.drupal.org/project/linkback/releases/8.x-1.0-alpha1 #webmentions attn #indieweb #indiewebcamp peeps, please check it out (twitter.com/_/status/937576654746128385)
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Reply to doesn’t link back by Khürt Williams" by Chris Aldrich on 2017-12-04 http://boffosocko.com/2017/12/03/reply-to-doesnt-link-back-by-khurt-williams/
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@hsablonniere 🤔 If don't know what the Indie Web is yet, don't worry 😉 @adactio has your back with this great talk about its Building Blocks (Micropub, POSSE, WebMention...) https://indieweb.org/principles https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvYK-K0jWng (twitter.com/_/status/937610189422956544)
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[kevinmarks] Today in "passwords are hard" https://twitter.com/JamesClayton5/status/937395948535320576
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Zegnat I just finished reading Troy’s post about that: https://www.troyhunt.com/the-trouble-with-politicians-sharing-passwords/
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tantek Perhaps the "right way" is just too hard
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tantek when push comes to shove people will work around the UI to make it work for their use-cases
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Zegnat That’s why Troy specifically shows the UI on the Microsoft Office tools in his post. Basically saying “you see this huge button up there, you could have clicked that”
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tantek yes, that part is helpful
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Zegnat I wonder if Gmail has any UI for this. I would not be surprised at all if more people and more people use web mail like that.
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tantek indeed
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tantek what's not helpful is saying things like "Email delegation is easily set up by your I.T. team."
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Zegnat If you are in parliament, it is definitely an IT issue. The network dept. should have set this up right. But especially smaller scale things, e.g. politicians at municipal scale, do have the same 3 people staff without the IT dept.
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Zegnat Agreed
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cweiske tantek, giving a microsoft office screenshot to someone using a totally different tool is not helpful either, apart as advertisement
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cweiske giving them a search term ("email delegation") is more helpful
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cweiske because it allows people to find more information
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cweiske because searching the web for the word in the screenshot will lead to microsoft office docs
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Zegnat cweiske, Troy is Microsoft MVP, so it isn’t all that weird that he is showing the screenshots of Microsoft tools
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cweiske I'm not questioning troys post but tanteks claim
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Zegnat Ah
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Zegnat I think it gets the point across that you do not need highly specialised software (just having Microsoft Office is fine), which is also an important point to make.
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Zegnat Better than pointing at GroupWise or some highly commercial big-company aimed thing that people aren’t likely to be familiar with.
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[kevinmarks] Uk parliament is apparently using office 365
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cweiske does not think it's apparent
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[kevinmarks] http://www.duncancampbell.org/content/mps%E2%80%99-private-emails-are-routinely-accessed-gchq
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petermolnar it all boils down to the lack of education in my opinion
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petermolnar all new systems are designed to be 'intuitive'
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petermolnar without ever actually teaching people how to use them
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petermolnar we might make memes out of clippit, but it was useful for regular users
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sknebel good morning indieweb
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sgreger good morning
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sgreger i finally found some time to work on one of my biggest productivity challenges: my twitter contacts post a lot of relevant links, but i cannot affort reading through all the accompanying noise on twitter
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sgreger meet the "tweetharvester": a script that collects all links from my twitter stream; it still lacks some smart filtering etc. but i enjoy this already a lot
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sgreger a temporary demo for your viewing pleasure: https://sebastiangreger.net/temporary-tweetharvest-demo/
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sgreger ...i guess i have started to take first steps towards my personal "indie reader"?
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Zegnat Does sound like it sgreger
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Zegnat Except you subscribe on the Twitter side and not in your reader.
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sknebel sgreger++ nice
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Loqi sgreger has 9 karma in this channel (11 overall)
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sgreger zegnat: yes, and i still believe in the value of being able to interact within the twittersphere where applicable. in the long run, of course, it would be cool to include also h-feed and rss subs in this tool
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Zegnat 👍
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sgreger i first might have to redesign the database structure, though. working on this already revealed some design flaws
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sgreger :D
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Zegnat Aah, db design ... have fun! :P
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[kevinmarks] https://theoutline.com/post/2558/death-of-the-internet-net-neutrality-donald-trump-alt-right-gamergate-facebook-twitter
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@francisclarke Just a week to go until our #indieweb session @BOMlab with @kevinmarks. Really looking forward to learning how to wrestle back control from social media silos (incl Twitter!) https://twitter.com/OpenRightsBrum/status/937289761538166784 (twitter.com/_/status/937675337613406209)
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jeremycherfas Good day IndieWeb
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sknebel good morning jeremycherfas!
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jeremycherfas Hi sknebel
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aaronpk sgreger: neat that sounds like belong.io
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@jonl IndieWebCamp Austin – December 9-10, 2017 – Austin, Texas http://weblogsky.com/2017/12/04/indiewebcamp-austin-december-9-10-2017-austin-texas/ https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DQNTs_aVoAAS3Bg.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/937685182257254400)
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sgreger what is reader
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Loqi what
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sgreger "A reader (or indie reader) in the context of the indieweb is the portion/feature integrated into an indieweb site that provides a way to read content from other indieweb sites, possibly including posts from the current site as well."
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sgreger i am wondering is the definition of "indie reader" strictly limited to consuming indieweb feeds, where in reality one would probably want to subscribe also rss feeds and possibly other sources?
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snarfed sgreger: no it's not limited like that afaik
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sgreger aaronpk: yes, that is where the inspiration came from (triggering an old itch of mine). now thinking about merging that into one core tool of my workflow, including rss-/h-feeds as well
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aaronpk Awesome
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sknebel sgreger: re formats, at least the actual indieweb examples on the /reader page mostly include other formats. The mf2 side IMHO mostly gets focussed since that's how the added information (post-types like likes, ...) is expressed
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aaronpk my ideal indieweb reader also allows me to follow twitter searches as well, definitely not limited to microformats feeds
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sknebel what is microsub?
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Loqi Microsub is an early draft of a spec that provides a standardized way for clients to consume and interact with feeds collected by a server https://indieweb.org/microsub
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sknebel aaronpk: should monocle be added as an example already? or to experimental for now?
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aaronpk I guess so! it's in production now, just not available for public signups
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sgreger oh, interesting. so a microsub server is a service running between a reader and a collection of feeds from various sources?
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sknebel yes. basically the backend for a reader
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sgreger maybe that is something i should consider
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sgreger decoupling the logic of the reader (presentation and interaction with feed items) from the logic of collecting and streamlining the content of feeds
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aaronpk 👍
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@HongPong if you are tired of the facebook / twitter / google silos check the #indieweb for the engineering division of the escape hatch https://indieweb.org/ (twitter.com/_/status/937714835378274304)
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Multi-Photo Support in OwnYourGram &bull; Aaron Parecki" by Pilch on 2017-10-03 https://aaronparecki.com/2017/09/23/8/ownyourgram-multi-photo
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[manton] IndieWebCamp Austin is this weekend. If anyone wants to blog about it, hoping to get the word out more this week for anyone who missed the announcement. 🙂
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tantek yeah!
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tantek !tell cweiske agreed about your point about giving a screenshot about a totally different tool. my critique was more about use of "easily", like "simply", or "just", it's not a helpful encouragment, if anything makes the person feel ashamed for "not getting it".
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek [manton] where can one see the list of folks who have signed up for IWC Austin? (beyond the indie RSVPs) ? Do you have a list?
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[manton] tantek I have the list from Eventbrite, yes. There are 14 people on that list, although some are duplicates from Indie RSVP. Not sure what best practice is for this, or whether people would expect their name to be listed publicly?
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[manton] I'm going to send an email to those folks this week too and could mention the RSVP page.
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aaronpk i've put a question on the registration asking if it's okay to list people's names publicly. I wouldn't do it otherwise
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tantek did the eventbrite have that?
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tantek -> #indieweb-meta (# meta on Slack)
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tantek silo << 2017-12-03 Joshua Topolsky / The Outline: [https://theoutline.com/post/2558/death-of-the-internet-net-neutrality-donald-trump-alt-right-gamergate-facebook-twitter The death of the internet / If we lose this, we lose everything.]
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Loqi ok, I added "2017-12-03 Joshua Topolsky / The Outline: [https://theoutline.com/post/2558/death-of-the-internet-net-neutrality-donald-trump-alt-right-gamergate-facebook-twitter The death of the internet / If we lose this, we lose everything.]" to the "See Also" section of /silo
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@aaronpk Looking forward to being back in Austin for @indiewebcamp this weekend! The @EFF holiday party is happening after our unconference day too! There's still room to register if you're in the area! https://2017.indieweb.org/austin (twitter.com/_/status/937730254868590593)
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@HongPong our first release of linkback the indieweb style handler for pingback and webmention in #Drupal8 is now out (8.x-1.0alpha1) https://www.drupal.org/project/linkback #indieweb #webmention #pingback (twitter.com/_/status/937735803668717570)
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aaronpk hey that looks like a candidate for today's https://indieweb.org/2017-12-indieweb-challenge
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tantek though I think that happened yesterday?
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tantek nope, today it is: https://www.drupal.org/project/linkback/releases/8.x-1.0-alpha1
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tantek aaronpk agreed!
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tantek except that tweet has a suspicious reply from CorineMadden9 that appears to be spamming lots of people
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tantek gRegorLove: the bluegrey squares at the botttom of your posts look like some sort of github-like profile activity indicator, but they don't appear clickable nor provide any hovertext. are they meaningful or decorative?
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tantek oh wait I see the hovertext now
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gRegorLove Yeah, they're posting activity. I haven't revisited that since I was playing with it 2016-08. I do want to link them to archives.
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tantek ok this is odd, https://gregorlove.com/2017/12/ says " No articles were published. " which I suppose is literally true, but I did expect to your notes there
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tantek *see your notes
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gRegorLove Yep, also in progress :)
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tantek do you have a name for the whole bar of blue squares?
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gRegorLove I still treat articles and notes as distinct streams (notes don't appear on the homepage) which I still kind of like, but I'm thinking through.
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tantek yeah that makes sense (no notes on homepage), however I'd expect them in archives
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gRegorLove Looks like I called it "GitHub-style posting activity visualization"
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gRegorLove Rolls off the tongue
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tantek github seems to call it "contributions"
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gRegorLove Which is what it's tracking, more than the name of the pattern itself.
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sknebel What is calendar heatmap?
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Loqi calendar heatmap is a heatmap that shows a a value over time through color coding it on a 2-dimensional calendar view https://indieweb.org/calendar_heatmap
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tantek sure. similarly sparklines
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tantek like aaronpk and adactio have
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tantek but that's also presentation-centric, rather than the meaning
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tantek (both "calendar heatmap" and "sparkline" are ways of presenting the data, not the name of the data itself)
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tantek what is sparkline
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Loqi A sparkline is a small, simple, data-dense graphic with typographic resolution that is shown inline and in-context with relevant text https://indieweb.org/sparkline
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tantek what are contributions
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "contributions" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek github calls it a "contribution graph" in the class name
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gRegorLove posts graph?
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tantek posting graph?
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gRegorLove That sounds better
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tantek what is a posting graph
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "posting graph" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek posting graph is a visualization of [[post]] publishing frequency which can be presented in various ways like a [[calendar heatmap]] or a [[sparkline]], and also called a "contribution graph" by [[GitHub]].
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Loqi ok
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tantek contributions are /posting_graph
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Loqi ok
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tantek posting graph << calendar heatmap
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Loqi ok, I added "[[calendar heatmap]]" to the "See Also" section of /posting_graph
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tantek posting graph << sparkline
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Loqi ok, I added "[[sparkline]]" to the "See Also" section of /posting_graph
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tantek gRegorLove: ^^^ want to start an indieweb examples section and add adactio, aaronpk, and yourself?
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tantek (rough order of implementation / deployment from memory)
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gRegorLove SUre
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gRegorLove Added /posting_graph#IndieWeb_Examples. aaronpk, do you have a date / link for your implementation?
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aaronpk https://aaronparecki.com/2016/09/27/1/p3k and https://aaronparecki.com/2016/12/27/10/sparklines
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Loqi [Aaron Parecki] A couple post-indiewebcamp hacks I did on the plane coming back: • Updated layout of 3-up multiphoto posts • Thanks to @adactio, I now ping archive.org with any URLs I link to in a post • Fixed a bug with my inline "load more" links • A...
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@noahread Looking forward to IndieWebCamp here in Austin this week. Check it out​. I think it’s going to be lots of fun.​ http://noahr.co/2A3WDTq (twitter.com/_/status/937757278027042817)
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@EFFaustin Register to attend the IndieWebCamp Austin 2017 this weekend. Then stick around for the EFF-Austin holiday party! (twitter.com/_/status/937758991840661504)
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HongPong hi folks we have released our first alpha1 version of Linkback for Drupal 8 which provides pingback and Webmention (send and receive) functionality (GPL) . cheers :)
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tantek HongPong++ congrats! see scrollback - bunch of fans of your work :)
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Loqi hongpong has 2 karma
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tantek what is the indieweb challenge?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "indieweb challenge" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek what is the 2017-12 indieweb challenge
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Loqi The IndieWeb Challenge is to collectively ship something IndieWeb-related every day of December! https://indieweb.org/2017-12-indieweb-challenge
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HongPong oh nice I feel like a contender ;)
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tantek you are!
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HongPong on drupal.org/project/microformats its still very rough but i started merging in karthikeyan-manivasagam's work on sitewide hcard, since it didn't get anywhere on the 'contactinfo' module
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tantek IndieWeb Challenge is /2017-12-indieweb-challenge
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Loqi ok
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tantek HongPong: what's your preferred blog post to link to for the alpha1 version of Linkback for Drupal 8 which provides pingback and Webmention (send and receive) functionality?
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tantek so we can add it to https://indieweb.org/2017-12-indieweb-challenge
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tantek whoa Net Neutrality banner on GitHub
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tantek " Help save net neutrality! A free, open internet is once again at stake—and we need your help. "
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tantek with a ( Learn More ) button (that should be a link :P) that links to https://github.com/save-net-neutrality
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ashpland Hey y'all - any indieweb folks from Vancouver, Canada?
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[eddie] I love GitHub's Call your Representative button. Just clicked it and following the EFF's call congress now form. +1 for net neutrality protections
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KartikPrabhu what is irc-people?
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Loqi IRC people is a list of IRC regulars sorted by nick(name), with their website and usual timezone(s) https://indieweb.org/IRC_People
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KartikPrabhu ashpland: maybe check that link ^
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ashpland Thanks
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HongPong tantek i think the best URL is the release note https://www.drupal.org/project/linkback/releases/8.x-1.0-alpha1
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tantek HongPong any preferred (very) short link text?
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tantek see https://indieweb.org/2017-12-indieweb-challenge for examples
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HongPong "Linkback module for Drupal 8 pingback & Webmention" i think ok? drop "module" if too long
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tantek thinking more drop linkback and pingback as those aren't key to the indieweb aspect
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tantek HongPong done! https://indieweb.org/2017-12-indieweb-challenge
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tantek hopefully that abbreviation is acceptable!
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HongPong thats cool thanks tantek
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@HongPong honored to be linked on the #indieweb month of challenges for participating in the #Linkback release https://indieweb.org/2017-12-indieweb-challenge module here http://drupal.org/project/linkback (twitter.com/_/status/937786571755048961)
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tantek \o/
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tantek Thanks for your hardwork HongPong!
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@cswordpress @redcrew @andrea_r @miklb @JJJ &lt;cough&gt; #indieweb &lt;/cough&gt; (twitter.com/_/status/937790220099112960)
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wjh[m]1 Hello
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[kevinmarks] Hi there
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tantek who is there?
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wjh[m]1 Just started using matrix, comparing it to IRC at the moment
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HongPong are there any PHP examples or libraries for ActivityPub parsing available now? https://www.w3.org/TR/activitypub/
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Loqi [Christopher Allan Webber] ActivityPub
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tantek maybe ask in dev?
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@manton2 Going to AustinRB tonight for talks on Ruby metaprogramming and Jekyll + the IndieWeb. https://www.meetup.com/austinrb/events/245027719/ (twitter.com/_/status/937812818715402240)
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