#indieweb 2018-01-22

2018-01-22 UTC
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@ChrisAldrich @amyhurst Since you can log into the wiki, you're welcome to add yourself as an example to the https://indieweb.org/Indieweb_for_Education page which may also have some resources you'll appreciate. Good to "see" you at camp this weekend! #higherED (twitter.com/_/status/955233542379917312)
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@kingkool68 This weekend at @indiewebcamp I learned you're not really indie unless you have a notes section of your website that you use for all note taking at conferences (twitter.com/_/status/955235730007232512)
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tantek or at least for all your tweet posting :)
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@ChrisAldrich @benwerd I love the sound of this! It would be even cooler if it were baked into the version of Microsub that I hear is brewing: https://indieweb.org/Microsub (twitter.com/_/status/955244303986626562)
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@zpinternational A casting call for a fellow #indie please read the entire page for roles and contact info. It's a great #indieweb series. #acting #actress #castingcall #Amazon #film #womeninfilm #WomenKickAss https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DUG4GxXXkAAcrbC.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/955247034386272258)
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@iwilsonjr @kingkool68 @indiewebcamp What?! No @moleskine? (twitter.com/_/status/955250981327003648)
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tantek hilarious. I kept a personal log in my moleskin while away in Costa Rica
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schmarty hahah that is a great thread
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Loqi schmarty: lol
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chrisaldrich What is offline?
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Loqi offline is anytime you're not online and connected to the internet https://indieweb.org/offline
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[miklb] what is water?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "water" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "water is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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schmarty !tell kevinmarks thanks for the IWC Baltimore plug on TWiG! One of our attendees is a Baltimore local who heard about the event from your mention a couple of weeks ago!
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek water is a common [[drink]], though rarely posted on the indieweb, however there are smart water bottles (like https://hidratespark.com/ that will track your water drinking automatically and syncs with several [[fitness]] silos).
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Loqi ok
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[miklb] lol
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tantek >:D
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KartikPrabhu judas priest!
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tantek water << 2016-11-04 sensors and sensibility: [https://sensorsandsensibility.com/posts/2016/4/11/hidrate-spark-smart-bottle Hidrate Spark smart bottle review] <blockquote>Taking dangerous steps into the land of We Put a Chip In It, I backed and just received the Hidrate Spark - a "smart" water bottle that tracks how much you're drinking.</blockquote>
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Loqi ok, I added "2016-11-04 sensors and sensibility: [https://sensorsandsensibility.com/posts/2016/4/11/hidrate-spark-smart-bottle Hidrate Spark smart bottle review] <blockquote>Taking dangerous steps into the land of We Put a Chip In It, I backed and just received the Hidrate Spark - a "smart" water bottle that tracks how much you're drinking.</blockquote>" to a brand new "See Also" section of /water
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Loqi [Frances Berriman] Hidrate Spark smart bottle review
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tantek water << iot
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Loqi ok, I added "iot" to the "See Also" section of /water
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jjuran Gary Bernhardt is a water :-) https://www.destroyallsoftware.com/talks/wat
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@kingkool68 @iwilsonjr @indiewebcamp @moleskine If it's not online and part of your website does it really exist? (twitter.com/_/status/955275142669701120)
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@iwilsonjr @kingkool68 @indiewebcamp @moleskine *Looking at the stack of @moleskine notebooks in storage* Yeah. (twitter.com/_/status/955291673914953734)
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aaronpk tantek: wow I had no idea that link was access controlled! Goes to show the importance of indicating the audience of a post when viewing it
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@megarush1024 &lt;cough&gt; Own. Your. Content. http://www.indieweb.org &lt;/cough&gt; https://twitter.com/liamerven/status/955327390737199104 (twitter.com/_/status/955359033896161280)
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jeremycherfas Good morning IW
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[colinwalker] Morning Jeremy, morning all
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@mrkrndvs NEW POST: Hidden in the Code (or Somewhere in @ChrisAldrich 's Commonplace Blog) https://readwriterespond.com/?p=3746 #IndieWeb #WordPress (twitter.com/_/status/955424186918252544)
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@kevinmarks This is a good list of issues for web developers https://paul.kinlan.me/challenges-for-web-developers/ #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/955449128045064192)
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Loqi [superfeedr] "This is a good list of issues for web developers https://paul.kinlan.me/challenges-for-web-developers/ #indieweb" by Kevin Marks on 2018-01-22 http://known.kevinmarks.com/2018/this-is-a-good-list-of-issues-for-web-developers
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@kevinmarks Promising new web api for share targetting https://paul.kinlan.me/breaking-down-silos-with-share-target-api/ #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/955484243202785280)
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Promising new web api for share targetting https://paul.kinlan.me/breaking-down-silos-with-share-target-api/ #indieweb" by Kevin Marks on 2018-01-22 http://known.kevinmarks.com/2018/promising-new-web-api-for-share-targetting-breaking-down-silos-with-share-target-api-indieweb
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[cleverdevil] Good morning, IndieWeb.
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tantek good morning [cleverdevil] !
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[eddie] morning cleverdevil
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GWG https://lifehacker.com/set-your-homepage-as-a-countdown-clock-to-your-death-1822133564
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GWG This made me think of the discussion at IWC Baltimore
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schmarty GWG: if it was interactive, a death could would fit with my new "every homepage needs a fidget toy" theory
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camb Hi Indieweb. :)
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camb I have a few questions about "Known" today. Is there a different channel for that or is here fine?
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tantek hi camb! general indieweb questions are always welcome
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tantek if it's truly Known specific, checkout #knownchat
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camb Thanks tantek. I'm more of an average user than a developer. I really like the indieweb philosophy and I'm looking for the most effective ways I can federate. While Wordpress has some nice plugins it looks like known was built with indieweb in mind.
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camb I guess the question is: would known be the recommended tool for less technical people?
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camb I'm looking for an easy platform for my friends and family that supports proper microformats for question, replies, videos, products, reviews etc...
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ben_thatmustbeme not sure all of those types are supported on any one single platform at the moment
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ben_thatmustbeme known is certainly quite beginner friendly
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[kevinmarks] And is designed to support multiple users conversing on the same server install
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Loqi [kevinmarks]: schmarty left you a message 18 hours, 1 minute ago: thanks for the IWC Baltimore plug on TWiG! One of our attendees is a Baltimore local who heard about the event from your mention a couple of weeks ago!
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ben_thatmustbeme wordpress is certainly a good option too
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[jgmac1106] @camb there are some wordpress themes optimized for indieweb tools but they aren't the prettiest
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[jgmac1106] I use Known in almost all my classes and really like it. Puts users in charge of privacy. I use a multiuser site for classes
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[miklb] are there any “pretty” known themes?
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[jgmac1106] A bunch and custom CSS very easy in Known
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[cleverdevil] It comes with some bundled themes. I wouldn't call any of them "pretty." But they're decent.
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[cleverdevil] I use a bundled theme on my site with Known, and then some custom CSS to make it more attractive.
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[cleverdevil] https://cleverdevil.io
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[jgmac1106] I don't like the commenting features in Known, horrible spacing and formatting, and I keep trying to tweak it but coming up short. Probably one of the only short comings I find
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[miklb] I don’t disagree that WordPress could use more themes in general, especially aesthetically pleasing ones that support mf2.
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[miklb] My personal experience with WP themes is the better looking, the uglier the code underneath.
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hs0ucy camb: +1 for Known.
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chrisaldrich Most out of the box themes aren't too bad since WP supports some microformats v1 out of the box, but your mileage may vary
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camb I have wordpress working well with webmentions
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chrisaldrich jgmac1106, when you mention the commenting features in Known, do you mean the native text box comments or commenting via webmentions? (though they're not too dissimilar aside from avatar display...)
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chrisaldrich For the record: /WordPress/Themes in the wiki
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[jgmac1106] Wow miklb people can be a lot like WordPress
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[jgmac1106] chrisaldrich the general commenting. All paragraph tags removed for line breaks instead and not much html allowed. I do use in educational settings so my use cases slightly different
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chrisaldrich iirc WordPress also strips out a lot of HTML in comments and does roughly the same thing. Depending on their length I'll often go back in and add additional spacing.
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[jgmac1106] Yeah I just wish Known recognized a carriage return as closing of a paragraph element. I have tried to fool around and increase line spacing in comments but haven't found what I like yet
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[kevinmarks] Known comments can be full posts, they just default to notes iirc
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[jgmac1106] Thx kevinmarks didn't realize that
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camb What seems to have more support by the indieweb community? Wordpress with plugins or Known?
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[jgmac1106] @camb you can't separate Known from indieweb community. Share the same DNA in my opinion
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camb Thanks. @jgmac1106
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[sdepolo] tantek snarfed re: 1M webmentions party… j12t drafted an awesome post that GoDaddy plans to publish on Wed. Are there any other locations having a party we could include in the post? Also if there is a hashtag dedicated to this celebration it will help us track success of our social media amplification efforts. If there’s not one yet can we create one? like #indieweb1mil ?
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[chrisaldrich] camb I would suggest that the indie specific WP community is larger than that for Known. WP certainly also has a larger generic base.
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camb Thats a good point @chrisaldrich
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camb If a server is offline and misses a webmention, does the server of the sender try to send it again?
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aaronpk it certainly could, tho i'm not sure how many senders do that
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camb thank you @aaronpk
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@fletcher0xFF The Spanish economist @rpb_money, author of Programmable Money: Is Bitcoin the Future of Money?, has begun microblogging on Radio3.io. #indieweb https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DULWF5pXUAUclKO.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/955561469898317825)
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tantek kevinmarks - there's a content-based way to trick Twitter vs FB into showing different link-preview information
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tantek FB shows the link-preview of the *first* link in a post.
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tantek Twitter shows the link-preview of the *last* link in a post.
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tantek so assuming you POSSE to both, you order your links accordingly
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[kevinmarks] hah
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@barryf 🎉 Jekyll’s default Minima theme now has #microformats baked in to its templates. Really pleased to see my pull request merged in the latest gem release. #indieweb https://twitter.com/jekyllrb/status/955551155031101440 (twitter.com/_/status/955569706693464065)
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aaronpk !rt http://twtr.io/1_pCv7_jZM5
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Loqi Thanks! We need one more person to confirm the retweet!
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tantek lol already did it via web UI
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aaronpk oops haha
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tantek I wonder what happens if we try anyway
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Loqi rofl
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tantek !rt http://twtr.io/1_pCv7_jZM5
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Loqi Something went wrong trying to retweet
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tantek lol
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KartikPrabhu ha!
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[miklb] would be cool if those retweets were reposts from IndieNews so they go out in newsletter. Or am I over thinking it?
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aaronpk good idea, i've been thinking about how to do that
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j12t sdepolo: What about just use #IndieWeb?
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