#indieweb 2018-01-26
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camb[m] I get confused about the name "indieweb". Independent web. Why is it ind"i"eweb then?
# camb[m] I mean, what does the i in the middle stand for?
# camb[m] Is it just for lulz?
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[colinwalker] The word “indie” is a short, informal form of independent and has been for many years. Consider indie music - as in not from a major label.
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# camb[m] And I'm such a dope I always thought it had something to do with India until recently :)
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Loqi The IndieWeb is about owning your domain, using it as your primary identity to publish on your own site (optionally syndicate elsewhere), and owning your data https://indieweb.org/IndieWeb
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KartikPrabhu [miklb]: "independent" of what?
# KartikPrabhu if the answer is silos then that is in the definition
# KartikPrabhu implicitly
# camb[m] someone should ad it. :)
# camb[m] independent of corporate influence?
# KartikPrabhu camb[m]: too vague to be meaningful
# KartikPrabhu you could be a corporation and have your own website/blog too
# KartikPrabhu [miklb]: fair enough
# camb[m] Independent of massively centralized organizations.
# KartikPrabhu that is also implicit in the definition
# camb[m] Independent of central points of corruption.
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# camb[m] (I'm just playing) I can stop
# camb[m] I need to install Woodwind and Known. Probably going to be tomorrow's project.
# KartikPrabhu what is Together
# Loqi Together is a reader that was initially conceived at the 2017 IndieWeb Summit in Portland by Jonathan LaCour and several others during the Putting it all together session https://indieweb.org/Together
# KartikPrabhu camb[m]: ^ that also looks promising as a reader
# KartikPrabhu though it is supposed to be "Experimental"
# camb[m] That looks very fancy 😅KartikPrabhu
# camb[m] The screenshots make it look like it supports likes and comments in the interface.
# KartikPrabhu yeah apparently is does, if you have your own site with micropub
# camb[m] Does it have the functionality of Woodwind with more eyecandy basically? (noob here)
# camb[m] have you tried it? @Cleverdevil seems to be a strong indieweb member.
# camb[m] I do have micropub
# camb[m] and Woodwind works with my wordpress (and hopefully soon Known)
# KartikPrabhu camb[m]: no experience with it yet mostly because I don't want to deal with React.
# KartikPrabhu maybe you should ask cleverdevil
# camb[m] KartikPrabhu: I will try. Thanks for the tip. It looks cool :)
# camb[m] I bookmarked it for tomorrow.
# camb[m] After milking cows ;)
# KartikPrabhu thumbsup
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[cleverdevil] Yes, we do support likes/reposts/replies right in the UI.
# [cleverdevil] It currently does require a Microsub server and a Micropub server to function, and there aren't currently many Microsub implementations.
# [cleverdevil] That said, I expect that to change this year.
# KartikPrabhu aah microsub part might make it tricky camb[m]
# camb[m] [cleverdevil]: Thank you for answering. I have micropub and woodwind working on my wordpress site.
# [cleverdevil] :thumbsup:
# camb[m] I will also be using Known on my site by tomorrow hopefully. What else would I need to use "together" ?
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# camb[m] https://github.com/cleverdevil/together/blob/master/README.md doesn't mention Microsub
# [cleverdevil] Yeah, you'd need a Microsub server, and the only one right now that I am aware of is aaronpk's Monocle, but its not yet really a released project.
# KartikPrabhu [cleverdevil]: I think Monocle has been temporarily put on hold too
# camb[m] [cleverdevil]: Yes aaronpk mentioned Monocle yesterday. I will probably have to wait for a more stable release but I will look deeper when I can. How are you using it without monocle then?
# [cleverdevil] So, aaronpk is using Together with Monocle, to help drive Together forward, and I'm doing the same to help drive Monocle forward 🙂
# [cleverdevil] Its possible for you to set up Monocle on your own if you're super savvy with PHP, but if you're not, I'd say just wait a little bit until things shake out.
# KartikPrabhu that is a great example of tandem dev
# KartikPrabhu microsub server and client both pushing each other
# [cleverdevil] It really shows the value of Micropub and Microsub, to be honest.
# dansup aaronpk: would you mind if I sent some PRs for Monocle?
# dansup nothing major, just fix the env() use. It's not meant to be used anywhere besides config files, so you call config('app.name') rather than env('APP_NAME') since the config is cached.
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# krup can anyone point me in the directon of docs for usage of e-* and p-* properties?
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gRegorLove krup: The prefixes tell the parser how to get the value. p-* is for plain text, e-* is for element tree, where the entire contained elements are the value. More on http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats2-prefixes and we have #microformats chat for more specific microformats questions
# krup thanks
# gRegorLove You can try out HTML in http://php.microformats.io and see how it parses.
# gRegorLove I'm over in #microformats as well, so let me know if you have any questions
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# Loqi Just generated the first draft of this week's newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2018-01-26.html I'll generate a draft again tomorrow, so please add to it before then! https://indieweb.org/this-week#How_to
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@mrkrndvs 🎧 On http://Micro.blog with Manton Reece (Geek Speak) https://collect.readwriterespond.com/micro-blog-with-reece-on-geek-speak/ #indieweb #blogging (twitter.com/_/status/956757246427279360)
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# Loqi [superfeedr] "🎧 On Micro.blog with Manton Reece (Geek Speak)" on 2018-01-26 https://mrkrndvs.tumblr.com/post/170140524387
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@jackysee They should #POSSE #indieweb https://baremetrics.com/blog/medium-back-to-blog (twitter.com/_/status/956785926507659264)
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jeremycherfas Good morning zegnat and the rest of IndieWeb
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# jeremycherfas Actaully, yes. I plan to try and return to my scraping of reading.am
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# jeremycherfas It has been so long ...
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# jeremycherfas I had to reinstall the browser extension. But I've never looked behind it.
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@jkantel Linkschleuder: Indieweb, Microservices und statische Seiten https://lnkd.in/g-ReN_J (twitter.com/_/status/956863793769754624)
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sl007 Hey - is anybody attending https://fosdem.org/2018/ Brussels next weekend ?
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@Primal @SCOREPittsburgh The IndieWeb outside of Facebook is full of opportunities
http://pri.ml/cM_SaKbA via godaddy https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DUeAq9hWAAA7TLQ.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/956874924655874055)
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@Max100KC The IndieWeb outside of Facebook is full of opportunities https://tpl.host/ET6K8QZ #startup #leadership https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DUeDBgXWAAANdqL.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/956877521940869120)
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@sl007 @rhiaro @dustyweb @SocialWebWG Exactly: “sadly linked data people and Indieweb people seem to still show up on each others' threads to go after each other.” – they are neither the one nor the other they are the rude part of the consuming-OpenSource-people. And don't give a f*ck about em. (1/2) (twitter.com/_/status/956882462503854080)
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# @sl007 @rhiaro @dustyweb @SocialWebWG Instead care about friends, https://indieweb.org/Events needs you and there are just a few https://github.com/w3c/activitystreams/issues ;) For me it just feels that all 3 webmention, microparts and activitypub are achivements. (twitter.com/_/status/956883702885371905)
# Loqi [superfeedr] "bookmark - IndieWeb" by Jeremy Cherfas on 2018-01-26 https://indieweb.org/bookmark
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# Loqi [superfeedr] "We have had an extensive discussion today in irc #indieweb-dev and I think we are beginning to see what is going on. I will try" by Jeremy Cherfas on 2018-01-26 https://stream.jeremycherfas.net/2018/we-have-had-an-extensive-discussion-today-in-irc-indieweb-dev
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# Loqi [superfeedr] "Likes and Reposts handled by the @WithKnown Bookmarks plugin (part 2)" by Peter Vágner on 2018-01-26 https://pvagner.tk/2018/likes-and-reposts-handled-by-the-withknown-bookmarks-plugin-part
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# Loqi [superfeedr] "Retweeted this tweet: Jacky on Twitter: “They should #POSSE #indieweb https://t.co/zHljxNPrEq“" by Scott Kingery on 2018-01-26 http://techlifeweb.com/17209-2/
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# [cleverdevil] Good morning, IndieWeb 🙂
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# gRegorLove o/ [cleverdevil]
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@chrisod Free idea: A search engine that only indexes old-school personal blogs and forums. Tons of good content is so buried under social media-driven results that it is essentially invisible. (twitter.com/_/status/956947107654651905)
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# Loqi Technorati was a real-time blog search engine that provided comprehensive date-ordered results within seconds of when people published on their blogs https://indieweb.org/Technorati
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@aj100kblog The IndieWeb outside of Facebook is full of opportunities https://tpl.host/W7BBBX3 #startup #leanstartup https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DUfP-WnXcAAdRgT.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/956962129822781440)
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# camb[m] [cleverdevil]: Back to your response from yesterday. "together" looks cool. I look forward to a release for less savy users like me soon. :)
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[kevinmarks] Deciding what to include though
# [cleverdevil] @camb[m] thanks! I'm pretty excited about it. Still plenty of improving to do, but grantcodes has really done a great job, as has aaronpk with Monocle.
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# begriffs Is the GPG verification method broken on indieauth.com? It complains: "https://begriffs.com/pgp.asc" was not found on the site "https://begriffs.com/"
# begriffs But I can curl the pgp.asc file from the server fine.
# begriffs OK, hard refreshed the site and it works. Who knows…
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[keithjgrant] If anyone wants to kick the tires on Omnibear 1.0.0, I've got an RC build ready
# [keithjgrant] (or run from master branch of the github repo)
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# [cleverdevil] dgold Together? Yeah, you can also just run it locally. That's what I do. I have a little job on my laptop that starts it, and then I created a Fluid single-site browser for it so that it shows up in my doc:)
# [keithjgrant] @zegnat: I haven’t put full release notes together yet, but this is a pretty good list: https://github.com/keithjgrant/omnibear/milestone/1?closed=1
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@fletcher0xFF Indian software developer and aspiring fiction writer @_am1t is microblogging on http://Radio3.io. He documents his #indieweb experiments here. https://www.amitgawande.com/journal/ https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DUfvOACWsAAmUNA.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/956996471865446400)
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Zegnat And then someone ate 2 cookies :D https://sink.zegnat.net/0zWenW047GN6aQnrsX15SCZyaVE
# Loqi Just generated this week's newsletter! You still have a few minutes to make changes, and I'll re-generate it 10 minutes before it gets sent out at 3pm Pacific time. https://indieweb.org/this-week/2018-01-26.html
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@sdepolo "How Cameroon internet shutdowns cost Anglophones millions" underscores the need for a federated web: http://bit.ly/2EgJ7ep. Currently "shutting down social media sites is akin to shutting down the internet."
Doesn't have to be this way. Join #indieWeb to fight back!!! https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DUgCL3eWkAECUit.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/957017325802270720)
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# Loqi Generated the final version of the newsletter! This will be sent out at 3pm Pacific time. https://indieweb.org/this-week/2018-01-26.html
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tantek worth indienewsing for next week: https://ia.net/topics/web-trend-map-2018/
# Loqi [indienews] New post: "Web Trend Map 2018 – iA" https://ia.net/topics/web-trend-map-2018/ (from https://aaronparecki.com/2018/01/26/15/)
# gRegorLove This might be an odd one: anyone backup their reward program cards/numbers on their site? I use Key Ring app on Android and it stores them online thankfully, but after my phone died it got me thinking about backups.
# gRegorLove Ah, good idea. Yeah, I put my backup MFA codes in Keypass after that incident, since I didn't have them for Dreamhost.
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# Loqi [indienews] New post: "IndieWeb WordPress Feedback" https://gregorlove.com/2017/12/indieweb-wordpress-feedback/