#indieweb 2018-01-27

2018-01-27 UTC
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aaronpk ouch https://twitter.com/dietrich/status/956937724983783425
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@dietrich I guess you can’t use @NYULibraries if you don’t have Twitter or Facebook? https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DUe5t5nVwAEhFVQ.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/956937724983783425)
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tantek wat
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aaronpk to be fair, it's not the actual library you can't use, it's just the guest features for out-of-state visitors
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aaronpk but still
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tantek wow: https://twitter.com/NYULibraries/status/956961546017665024 (from that thread)
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@NYULibraries @dietrich There is no login via email option at this time. (twitter.com/_/status/956961546017665024)
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tantek I feel like this is worthy of bringing to @Zeldman's attention
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tantek to be fair, NYU is a private institution and can do what they want
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tantek if it were NYC Libraries, then we'd have an even bigger problem
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tantek (only slightly tempted to ask if I can use my GitHub social media login instead 😂)
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tantek refrains from trolling NYU
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tantek then again, NYU is where I gave my talk on the IndieWeb in 2014, perhaps I should ask the Personal Democracy Forum folks
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tantek what is NYU
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "NYU" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "NYU is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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tantek what is New York University
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "New York University" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "New York University is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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tantek New York University is (AKA <dfn><abbr>NYU</abbr></dfn>) a private university in [[New York City]] whose libraries‘s e-shelf feature requires visitors to use [[silo]] login ([[Facebook]] or [[Twitter]]) without an option to login via email instead. https://twitter.com/dietrich/status/956937724983783425 https://twitter.com/NYULibraries/status/956961546017665024
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@dietrich I guess you can’t use @NYULibraries if you don’t have Twitter or Facebook? https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DUe5t5nVwAEhFVQ.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/956937724983783425)
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Loqi ok
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tantek NYU is [[New York University]]
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Loqi ok
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@sdepolo Wish me 🍀...I just applied to speak about #indieweb and combating fake news at the Lesbians Who Tech Summit in San Francisco https://goo.gl/YhKzHh @lesbiantech @lepitts #LWTSUMMIT (twitter.com/_/status/957066055351848960)
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tantek sdepolo++
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Loqi sdepolo has 5 karma in this channel (7 overall)
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PFMurph 9:23PM up 659 days, 11:31, 2 users, load averages: 0.00, 0.04, 0.01
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PFMurph RIP uptime
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[miklb] Meltdown upgrade?
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mblaney !tell KartikPrabhu I've updated the error messages on my auth endpoint. Would you mind trying again and letting me know what you get?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[jeremycherfas] Yeah. Secure notes are almost my favourite thing about 1p
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Zegnat Good morning IndieWeb
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dgold good morning
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sknebel good morning
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dgold Zegnat: may I ask, how do you get the 'using quill.p3k.io' in Sink?
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dgold how are you, sknebel?
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Zegnat dgold, when you authenticate the IndieAuth client sends their identifier (a URL). That gets stored. So when you then submit a post, Sink knows what client was used to get the access token.
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Zegnat It isn’t full proof. If you copy the token from Quill and use it in another client, that client will also show up as Quill.
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sknebel struggling with my masters thesis
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Zegnat But it is the best I can do.
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dgold ah, ok. I just wondered is all.
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dgold sknebel: how long do you have left to do it?
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dgold I remember when I was doing mine, coming back to it after the christmas break was an almost insuperable obstacle
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GWG Hmm.. this is promising https://github.com/WordPress/gutenberg/issues/4643
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Loqi [melchoyce] #4643 Add Block: Webmentions Reply
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jeremycherfas Hello IndieWeb
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sknebel hi jeremycherfas
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jeremycherfas Hi skenbel
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jeremycherfas OOps. I'll try that again. Hi sknebel
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GWG I spent the night rewiring my house network, so I bought it it's own domain name.
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aaronpk ooh
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GWG Well, I switched from using a free dynamic dns service to using Namecheap's Dynamic DNS service.
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GWG I went vanity for something only I'm going to use, likely.
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@rplevy @taoeffect @mikeinspace A good compromise might be to post the article on Medium with a note at the top linking to the preferred host, whether that be your own website or a decentralized publishing network. That is the approach advocated by https://indieweb.org/POSSE (twitter.com/_/status/957306870556864512)
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chrisaldrich Heads up: Lanyard.com has been shutting down in fits. It's been offline, but is back up in read-only mode for those who want to scrape pages or back them up to Archive.org. Not sure how long it'll be back up online.
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GWG And I just got the icon
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chrisaldrich :(
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chrisaldrich at least it'll work for my archived back up copies!
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aaronpk huh I think I already had all those on my website
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GWG I need to do a refresh for the micro.blog icon, now that so many people seem invested in it
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chrisaldrich Thinking about big corporate site deaths makes me want to buy up old domain names and redirect them to their post-type pages on IndieWeb. Maybe when Lanyard.com is available I'll redirect it to /event
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GWG I have too many domains as it is
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GWG I never did anything with gwg.us, for example
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Zegnat that sounds like a perfect personal domain though. Or are you only known as GWG on Freenode?
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GWG Zegnat, and places related to Freenode, yes
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GWG But my domain is my full name.
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aaronpk chrisaldrich: I was watching for dopplr .com to become available and somehow someone else snatched it up before I could get it :(
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GWG I own a lot of us domains.
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chrisaldrich I wonder how much residual traffic a dead silo drives to make it worth coopting?
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amz3 héllo #indieweb, what's up?
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GWG On a walk. Stopped for a beverage.
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GWG Hoping to push some updates today
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Zegnat is looking into setting up Known
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@aj100kblog The IndieWeb outside of Facebook is full of opportunities https://tpl.host/UIB9U4F #domains #smm #makeyourownlane #entrepreneur https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DUkjWvnWAAU2bpa.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/957335281304260608)
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dgold aaronpk: have you changed something in quill wrt picture uploads?
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aaronpk not in a while
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dgold when I upload a png, I'm no longer getting a link to the uploaded file
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dgold the image is given from blob:quill…
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aaronpk check the response in the console? might be your media endpoint didn't return a URL
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aaronpk it does that as a fallback if it couldn't upload the file properly
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dgold the console?
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aaronpk like browser debugger thing
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dgold i didn't know quill had one
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aaronpk or check your server logs to see what your media endpoint is returning for the upload
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dgold well, crap
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dgold my media endpoint, without any changes whatsoever, has stopped giving a loc
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dgold huh. turns out that it is...
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Loqi [superfeedr] "The IndieWeb outside of Facebook is full of opportunities by Johannes Ernst (The Garage) Promote your own site, or promote on Facebook? Turns out you can do both, and do even better: have your website join the IndieWeb. Great piece, though I think it simplifies things a bit more than they&#8217;re easily capable of doing &#8230; Continue reading "&#x1f453; The IndieWeb outside of Facebook is full of opportunities &#124; The Garage"" by Chris Aldrich on 2018-01-24 http://boffosocko.com/2018/01/24/the-indieweb-outside-of-facebook-is-full-of-opportunities-the-garage/
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dgold !tell aaronpk nope - its definitely quill - posting an image using inkstone works as expected.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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aaronpk how big is the file?
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Loqi aaronpk: dgold left you a message 5 minutes ago: nope - its definitely quill - posting an image using inkstone works as expected.
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Zegnat https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/01/27/technology/social-media-bots.html - interesting read (via https://www.metafilter.com/172044/Twitter-Jitters)
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@khurtwilliams #GRegor, I agree with everything you wrote as it is similar to my initial experience with the #IndieWeb "Getting Started on... https://islandinthenet.com/indieweb-wordpress-feedback/ #Feedback (twitter.com/_/status/957362918986743808)
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Loqi [superfeedr] "IndieWeb WordPress Feedback" on 2018-01-27 https://khurt.tumblr.com/post/170199639246
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camb[m] Loqi: what is selfdogfood
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sknebel what is selfdogfood?
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Loqi selfdogfood is a stronger form of dogfooding, that is, using your own creations on your own personal site that you depend on, as an aspect of your primary online identity, day to day https://indieweb.org/selfdogfood
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camb[m] sknebel: thanks :)
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camb[m] What is dogfooding
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Loqi dogfood in the context of the indieweb, refers to the software practice of "eating your own dog food" but in particular with using your own creations on your own personal site that you depend on, day to day https://indieweb.org/dogfooding
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camb[m] Why dogfood?
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aaronpk https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eating_your_own_dog_food
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camb[m] aaronpk: thank you. I shouldn't waste your time. I was just playing with Loqi a bit.
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aaronpk being a vegetarian as well as a cat person, Im not a huge fan of the "eating your own dogfood" phrase :)
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sknebel you can continue the logic sort to downsides of it for others: dogfood optimized for your consumption probably wouldn't be great for actual dogs
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camb[m] "dogfood" sounds like a synonym for low quality to me even though I do understand the concept here.
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[kevinmarks] I make raw Dogfood for my dogs by putting cow tripe through a mincer. If I ate that I'd be very ill. Its a terrible metaphor.
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[miklb] the dog food I used to make was vegetarian and used to eat it with my dog (I did add raw egg to hers sometimes)
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camb[m] [kevinmarks]: yes. It doesn't sound good.
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camb[m] [miklb]: that makes dogfood sound much more honorable :)
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[miklb] 🙂
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[kevinmarks] Dogs aren't very good at digesting vegetables, on the whole.
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[miklb] was basically brown rice and lentils with carrot and peas cooked in. I would also give her cottage cheese with it sometimes, alternating with the egg.
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camb[m] I couldn't believe it, but my pigs even eat hay.
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camb[m] Egg cheese and rice sounds good to me :)
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[miklb] I still get a big smile when someone forks or stars my jekyll-indieweb repo. If that ever stops, might be time to hang it up
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camb[m] Are people here aware of Yacy? It's a powerful tool for distributed web search. We need some kind of open source and shared search in the open community.
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camb[m] https://yacy.net/en/index.html
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camb[m] How are your feelings? Yacy seems like the best current option to me.
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camb[m] I have a bare bones demo for the search at http://odat.xyz/8090
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aaronpk I'm not a big fan of projects that require everyone to be running the same software
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aaronpk what is monoculture
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Loqi Monoculture refers to the antipattern of one piece of software dominating (or trying to dominate) its field, often by being limited to communicating with other instances of the same codebase https://indieweb.org/monoculture
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camb[m] Oops, the link to my demo is http://odat.xyz:8090/
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camb[m] I'm also not a big fan of projects that require the same software :) but a collaborative network for open web search is something we all need. (I think)
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jjuran One of my former employers said in new employee orientation that “we drink our own champagne.” :-)
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camb[m] Yacy also works as an independent search. It didn't require one to become part of the network.
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camb[m] *doesnt
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[kevinmarks] As opposed to getting high on your own supply? https://www.theguardian.com/media/2018/jan/23/never-get-high-on-your-own-supply-why-social-media-bosses-dont-use-social-media