#indieweb 2018-02-11

2018-02-11 UTC
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jjuran This is the same failure mode as having one checkbox that controls two behaviors.
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jjuran Sounds like it’s partly a cultural issue, as well.
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tantek that's only for public events
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tantek for private events you get an invitation notification
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tantek so the whole "show up in your stream" thing is irrelevant
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@aj100kblog The IndieWeb outside of Facebook is full of opportunities https://tpl.host/2DXT6E8 #webdesign #linux #startup #leadership https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DVvKNezW0AE06dc.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/962585290387918848)
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amz3 indieweb matin!
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[kevinmarks] Facebook wants tummlers - maybe @schnarfed should apply for bridgy https://communities.fb.com/learn-more/
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@kevinmarks Facebook is trying to understand tummlers at last? https://communities.fb.com/learn-more/ @heathr @debs #tummel I wonder if they'd fund an #indieweb one. (twitter.com/_/status/962603105949925376)
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Facebook is trying to understand tummlers at last? https://communities.fb.com/learn-more/ @heathr @debs #tummel I wonder if they'd fund an #indieweb one." by Kevin Marks on 2018-02-11 http://known.kevinmarks.com/2018/facebook-is-trying-to-understand-tummlers-at-last-learn-more-heathr
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KartikPrabhu what's tummlers?
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Zegnat Good morning IndieWeb
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[kevinmarks] See j.mp/tummel
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Zegnat Is that supposed to be a working link, [kevinmarks]? Doesn't seem to work on my phone.
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[jeremycherfas] Good morning zegnat
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jeremycherfas Would now be a good time to talk about your Known code?
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@jkphl @fhemberger @btconf Und: Ich muss sehen, wie die Woche dann überhaupt funktionieren könnte. @indiewebcamp + @btconf + Workshop + @a11yclub oder was auch immer @fernmuendlich plant (da sollten wir auch mal schnacken, wa?) ... (twitter.com/_/status/962618146766184448)
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Zegnat jeremycherfas, in about 5 minutes when my tea is done: sure
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jeremycherfas Thanks
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[kevinmarks] Hm try j.mp/tummler - I need to work out why tummelvision.tv is down
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@fernmuendlich @jkphl Jo, Man, machen wir / @fhemberger @btconf @indiewebcamp @a11yclub (twitter.com/_/status/962620026074357761)
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@Max100KC The IndieWeb outside of Facebook is full of opportunities https://tpl.host/Y2H7WTS #domains #growthhacking #startup https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DVv0y4AX4AAmDu-.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/962632112678625280)
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ioom hi there
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ioom is this the right channel to discuss battlestations, battletops and all sorts of customization and modding? Is there anyone interested in this kind of things?
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Zegnat ioom, you probably got the wrong channel. This is the indieweb channel, for things related to indieweb.org
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ioom Zegnat, got it. Thanks for the answer.
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ioom if you know where I could find this things, please, redirect me
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Loqi [superfeedr] "How Facebook Is Killing Comedy" by Kimberly Hirsh on 2018-02-11 http://kimberlyhirsh.com/how-facebook-is-killing-comedy/
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@xandy_ebooks nonsense indieweb principles, you could ever want, and a keyboard in over a year is hardly "a lot of Edge/Level Head and have severe decision paralysis when (twitter.com/_/status/962688187171733504)
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@controldepatio Evergreen Diary #9: On IndieWeb http://ift.tt/2DzsYzi (twitter.com/_/status/962700131471626240)
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[eddie] So in Microsub/Aperture, there are default “home” and “notifications” channels, and then you can add other desired channels. Is it just me, I don’t know what I would want in “home” so I just put everything in a named channel leaving home blank. That seems wasteful to have my default channel blank lol
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[eddie] It’s like I feel nervous to add something to home, like it won’t be what I want in there! Lol
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[eddie] Has anyone else run into similar issues with their own readers in the past?
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aaronpk lol the exact same thing is happening to me
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[eddie] Haha! Glad I’m not alone 😁
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Loqi awesome
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Zegnat Actually, yes, I have that with my reader too. I can subscribe to feeds and not put them in a folder perfectly fine, but I end up having a sort of catch-all “blogs” folder anyway.
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Zegnat Because I do not want to put anything in the “root”.
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aaronpk the theory was that the "home" channel would be for people who don't care to categorize the content they're following
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[eddie] Ohhh interesting
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[eddie] Zegnat that is funny that even with a different paradigm, the similar feeling is there
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[eddie] aaronpk: that makes sense to me
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[eddie] It’ll be interesting to see if more people on here have run into similar issues.
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[eddie] I’m almost starting to wonder if that should HAVE to exist for people? Like maybe the default is everyone has a home channel but then it can be deleted or renamed?
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aaronpk interesting
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[eddie] More a starting default than a required existence
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aaronpk yeah, if there isn't any benefit to client developers then it might be better left for servers to implement as a default
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[eddie] Yeah in my thinking, as long as I can order channels, there isn’t a reason my reader would need to know that a Home channel “always exists”. Your “Home” channel can in essence be the top channel in your list. If you want to open to a default channel every time
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aaronpk how about the "notifications" channel then?
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[eddie] I think knowing a “notification” channel exists is helpful because it feels different
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[eddie] For example often times in social media apps, notifications are in a different popout area. A different tab, a toolbar icon, etc
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[eddie] It fulfills a different purpose than just a generic channel of information, which is what the channels do
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aaronpk yep true
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Zegnat Hmm, does that mean I can’t create a channel and call it “notifications”? (Just a weird side-thought.)
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[eddie] A name and a unique id are different
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[eddie] You just can’t use the uid notifications
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[eddie] Which in something like Aperture is fine because it uses random numbers as ids
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Zegnat Ah, gotcha [eddie].
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[eddie] aaronpk, I feel like we might potentially find other special channels in the future. But Home in my mind definitely feels more “default” (ha! It’s even in the uid) than “special”
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aaronpk okay, want to simplify this spec then?
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[eddie] Yeah I’ll post my though for that in #dev since it’ll be a bit more technical lol
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aaronpk 👍
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[kevinmarks] BBC site about taking back control of your Internet presence for kids https://www.bbc.com/ownit
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tantek is narrowing down from 15 to 10 photos for a multi-photo post
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tantek anyone else find they have to do that? (from ~30 photos actually taken at / around that location)
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tantek down to 12
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[jeremycherfas] [kevinmarks] That bbc site not available outside the UK.
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tantek "Sorry, Own It games and videos can only be played if you are in the UK."
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aaronpk wow
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tantek "You’re seeing this page because it looks like you’re outside the UK. If you are in the UK, please close your browser and try again. If that still doesn’t work there may be a problem with your internet connection."
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aaronpk https://media.aaronpk.com/Screen-Shot-2018-02-11-11-20-45-dNk0W6zYNL.jpg
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tantek what is BBC
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "BBC" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "BBC is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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aaronpk funny thing is it started rendering most of the content before it showed me that
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tantek same
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tantek JS maybe?
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[kevinmarks] That's weird
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[kevinmarks] They do that for some content for rights reasons (which is still daft) - no idea why they'd do it for a public service site
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KartikPrabhu !tell [chrisaldrich]: updated fragmentioner. https://github.com/kartikprabhu/fragmentioner Let me know what you think
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi [kartikprabhu] fragmentioner: UI for generating the fragmention link to some selected text
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tantek ooh
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tantek what is fragmentioner
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "fragmentioner" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "fragmentioner is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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KartikPrabhu what is fragmention?
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Loqi A fragmention is an extension to URL syntax that links and cites a phrase within a document by using a URL fragment consisting of the phrase itself, including whitespace https://indieweb.org/fragmention
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KartikPrabhu tantek: https://indieweb.org/fragmention#UI_for_Fragmention-generation
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tantek KartikPrabhu: your library is likely worth is own page
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tantek with screenshots of the UI and such
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tantek I think it's underappreciated
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KartikPrabhu ok will look into making a page
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tantek KartikPrabhu: start a stub! https://indieweb.org/s/113h
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tantek wow that multi-photo post took me a while to curate and post. 15 days after the fact!
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tantek for those into art and the outdoors: http://tantek.com/2018/042/t1/hill-88-art-tags-radar
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Loqi [Tantek Çelik] 15 days ago at SFRC I explored the top of Hill 88, just off that week’s route, and found art & tags among the decommissioned radar installation.The first photo is a pano capturing the fenced entrance to the top of Hill 88 (click and zoom in on the ... https://igx.4sqi.net/img/general/original/476_FmYpbz3DnAugeRlii7JdReE8R3_wtG8I_ca3DfMzSo4.jpg
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@DJFalcon23 About to rock w/ Ghost. #dev #blog #IndieWeb https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DVx7c5AU0AA2zuO.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/962782221642936320)
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dgold does Ghost have any indieweb building-blocks support?
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KartikPrabhu what is Ghost?
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Loqi Ghost is an an open source blogging software project written in node.js, and also a hosted silo at https://ghost.org https://indieweb.org/Ghost
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[kevinmarks] See issues there. You could try again
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