#indieweb 2018-02-14

2018-02-14 UTC
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@aj100kblog
The IndieWeb outside of Facebook is full of opportunities https://tpl.host/ALI8XFB #domains #growthhacking #smm #entrepreneurship https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DV9LDXcW0AEpbGd.jpg
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[mifga]
Yeah, i did earlier — you are in queens, right? We met at the baltimore iwc. if you want to come to New Lab for the Hackaday event and share about indieweb, i think people would find it interesting!
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Loqi
[superfeedr] "Adam linked to an interview with Jason Kottke, owner of "one of the longest continuously running blogs on the web" - kottke.org. Adam described the interview as "hard going" and on my first read though I only got as far as the following quote about talking to a high school class: Read the full post..." by Colin Walker on 2018-02-14 https://colinwalker.blog/14-02-2018-1000/
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@martijnvdven
Misschien is het Valentijnsdag, maar het is ook #HomebrewWebsiteClub dag in Amsterdam! Waarom niet vanavond bij A L… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/963773091322220544
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Loqi
[superfeedr] "About webmentions" by Jeremy Cherfas on 2018-02-14 https://stream.jeremycherfas.net/2018/about-webmentions
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aaronpk
is that a reply to something?
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jeremych_
Yup.
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@adders
It’s time to be really honest with ourselves about what journalism’s real relationship with Facebook is: https://www.onemanandhisblog.com/archives/2018/02/facebook-never-loved-journalism-time-break.html
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sebsel
morning IndieWeb :)
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sebsel
In Amsterdam now for HWC.
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sebsel
Not as crowded as last time (just the two of us) but still nice!
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Zegnat
sebsel maybe not everyone was nerdy enough to come on valentine's day evening. As [gerwitz] said. 😉
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sebsel
Yeah.
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sebsel
It reminds me of last year.
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[mlopatka]
I didnt think Valentine’s day was even a _thing_
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Zegnat
Some people seem to take it more serious than others.
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Zegnat
Ooh, didn't Starbucks have special coffees last year, sebsel?
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[mlopatka]
another nice commercialised holiday to sell more stuff 🙂
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[mlopatka]
but I digress, this conversation belongs in the chat channel 🙂
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tantek
is that happening right now?
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tantek
worth adding to /Events !
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tantek
and if anyone sees any photos of Jeremy speaking there, adding those to a specific event page so they get picked up by the newsletter
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Loqi
[indienews/de] New post: "OpenID Connect Federation" https://notiz.blog/2018/02/14/openid-connect-federation/
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aaronpk
pfefferle++
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Loqi
pfefferle has 27 karma in this channel (45 overall)
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@zenpeacekeeper
We’ve given up control in exchange for convenience. So the Indieweb needs to give us the same convenience without t… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/963877939178717184
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sknebel
so apparently facebook treats you giving them a phone number for 2FA as yet another notification channel: https://mashable.com/2018/02/14/facebook-spam-2fa/
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[kevinmarks]
I'm on TWiG, send me things
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aaronpk
[kevinmarks]: https://dri.es/to-pesos-or-to-posse by Dries Buytaert, creator of Drupal
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@james3neal
#c4l18 @anarchivist delivered a provocative lightning talk re: #indieweb ... https://indieweb.org/
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@treitnauer
Might be time for another Homebrew Website Club in Wellington after @adactio’s #indieweb talk at #webstock. Who’s in?
(twitter.com/_/status/963895168704299008)
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@sentience
Great to see @adactio in person again at #webstock. Kinda-sorta thinking of running a Melbourne @indiewebcamp.
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@timechanter
Do you miss the Control of your content in the giant Walled Gardens of others Convenience? https://indieweb.org… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/963897818795597824
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[eddie]
Wow, i don’t use my Slack for nearly the amount of stuff that aaronpk uses IRC for, BUT, I have pretty much completely replaced my need for my personal slack instance with Microsub (the only thing actually missing is Push Notifications themselves)
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aaronpk
that's a good sign
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[eddie]
Yeah, definitely!
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aaronpk
oh man the new unread counts really make it usable
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@ChrisAldrich
📅 Homebrew Website Club Meetup -- Los Angeles area on Feb 21 at 5:30 – 6:30 pm Quiet writing hour 6:30 – 8:00 pm M… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/963911115271938048
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[kevinmarks]
unread counts make me nervous
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aaronpk
your client could just show a "new activity" indicator without a number instead
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GWG
Reading pfefferle's article in Google Translate. I love amusing auto translation
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aaronpk
i like seeing the number of new items, but i don't care about marking each one individually. in my irc client, it just wipes out the count as soon as I view the channel
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[eddie]
[kevinmarks] my iOS Microsub client just makes the channel name bold if unread > 0
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aaronpk
can't wait to get the new build of that
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[cleverdevil]
Together is now much more awesome on mobile, btw 🙂
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[cleverdevil]
Thanks to [grantcodes] continuing to kick arse.
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[eddie]
It does look really good on mobile! Just checked it out today
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[cleverdevil]
The unread counts have totally changed the game for me, too. Matches my desired consumption model pretty well.
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[cleverdevil]
(Though, I would like to be able to turn them off on a per-channel basis).
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[eddie]
aaronpk: next Indigenous build is uploaded and waiting for review. It contains bold if unread but doesn’t affect the unread count yet. Hopefully I can finish that part up by the weekend
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[eddie]
Random question: Does chat.indieweb.org support WebSub by chance?
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aaronpk
it's supposed to
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[eddie]
Oh cool. I’ll have to test it out. Instead of relying on the slack bridge for notifications I want to set up a mini app that watches for mentions of my name and/or Indigenous and if so create a post in my notifications Microsub channel. Then I free myself from slack and can use whatever is most convenient (web, Slack or irc),
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[chrisaldrich]
[cleverdevil] I've been under the weather, but did get your email about /Known
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[cleverdevil]
I also reached out to [benwerd] to pick his brain on the topic.
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[cleverdevil]
He's interested, too 🙂
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Loqi
[Chris Aldrich] @pvagner @benwerd @mapkyca @rMdes_ @andrea @mruncieman @_dgoldsmith @techlifeweb @nxD4n I'm tempted to offer a bounty to see if we can't fix/reconcile difference in bookmarks/likes in @withknown core & that in @kylewmahan's Known Reactions. cross ref...
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[cleverdevil]
I'd really like to have a few Indieweb-minded folk develop a backlog of improvements that would make Known an exemplar platform.
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[chrisaldrich]
I think mostly we need a mechanism for enabling people to do this.
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[cleverdevil]
There are good platforms out there, many of which are free.
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[cleverdevil]
(For the bounty side of things).
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[chrisaldrich]
I thought that they had one in place already for bounties, but perhaps I'm wrong?
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[chrisaldrich]
The other question is what level do we ideally need to hit to make a reasonable difference?
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snarfed
oops meant to post these here:
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Loqi
[snarfed] re unread indicators in readers...i vaguely remember a postmortem from a google reader PM, or someone similar, describing how people have multiple, fundamentally different usage models for readers, and feel strongly about using theirs, and how it's v...
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Loqi
[snarfed] worth considering for everyone working on microsub readers
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Loqi
[snarfed] eg "river of news" vs "todo list"
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snarfed
discuss wherever
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[chrisaldrich]
[cleverdevil] Known has a lot of built in reader functionality, maybe finishing that part off could be the "killer" feature?
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[cleverdevil]
So, I actually think that bit is a distraction.
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[cleverdevil]
Especially considering that there are other standalone readers in development.
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[cleverdevil]
I'd prefer it to become an extremely good first-class Indieweb citizen for publishing and sharing.
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[chrisaldrich]
I think i personally think unbundling the two, but having them tightly integrated via micropub is likely the best option.
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aaronpk
that's kind of the goal with microsub
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aaronpk
allowing a tight coupling of the data from your site and your reader without requiring they are actually the same code base
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[cleverdevil]
I already get most of that with Together + Known.
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[cleverdevil]
My only issues are accelerating development of both!
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[cleverdevil]
(Including fixing a lot of stale stuff in Known, and helping it grow into a strong community-driven project).
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[chrisaldrich]
no sweat... 😉
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[chrisaldrich]
I play the lottery every week just in case it comes in handy...
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[cleverdevil]
I wish I had more time to write code. I try my best, and make little bits and pieces of progress where I can, but I am definitely not a PHP expert, or an Indieweb expert.
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[cleverdevil]
But, I am happy to support how I can!
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[cleverdevil]
Well, I am personally hoping to contribute some cash to the bounty effort.
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[chrisaldrich]
I just need to know where to send the money... I was hoping that post last month would motivate one of the gang to point me to something.