#indieweb 2018-02-18

2018-02-18 UTC
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@Max100KC The IndieWeb outside of Facebook is full of opportunities https://tpl.host/2281AZH #smm #seo #startup #leanstartup https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DWUlVNwX4AEOheF.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/965218754241224704)
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[kevinmarks] Hmm https://medium.com/@cdixon/why-decentralization-matters-5e3f79f7638e
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[cleverdevil] Welcome, [squorch]!
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[squorch] hello all!
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[squorch] one second as I transfer over to the native client
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[cleverdevil] To all, [squorch] is a good friend of mine going way back. Interested in owning his content.
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[squorch] okay, hello!
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[squorch] owning it **again** really
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[squorch] many moons ago I did that, but fell into the easy trap of FB/IG
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[squorch] so. looking to extricate myself and my content from there.
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[squorch] been very impressed with what cleverdevil has done and the level of integration/engagement his content still holds
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@kevinmarks Decentralization matters, says @cdixon. On a dat hosted site? On an ethereum funded distribution network? Surely on his own website then? http://cdixon.org/ no? On medium, you say? https://medium.com/@cdixon/why-decentralization-matters-5e3f79f7638e The #indieweb is here for you, Chris. (twitter.com/_/status/965283149734330368)
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Decentralization matters, says @cdixon. On a dat hosted site? On an ethereum funded distribution network? Surely on his own website then? http://cdixon.org/ no? On medium," by Kevin Marks on 2018-02-18 http://known.kevinmarks.com/2018/decentralization-matters-says-cdixon-on-a-dat-hosted-site-on
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[squorch] wouldn’t mind contributing to the larger community as well.
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[cleverdevil] 💪
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[kevinmarks] That's great squorch, you're welcome
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[kevinmarks] What's your site?
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KartikPrabhu welcome [squorch]
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[squorch] long ago it was squorch.com, then erudity.net, now nothing. I still own both.
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[squorch] no current web presence - both are mail or mail redirects.
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[squorch] squorch has been my handle for a while
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[cleverdevil] Starting from scratch 😀
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[squorch] indeed
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[cleverdevil] Step one is putting a site back up.
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[cleverdevil] WordPress may be the easiest thing.
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[cleverdevil] What is WordPress?
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Loqi WordPress is open source CMS software used by many on the Indieweb as well as a blog hosting service https://indieweb.org/WordPress
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KartikPrabhu what is Known
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Loqi Known is an open publishing / community platform project https://indieweb.org/Known
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GWG Did someone say WordPress?
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[cleverdevil] \\// a wild GWG appears //\\
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[cleverdevil] The biggest issue with WordPress for IndieWeb is that the core project hasn’t yet embraced IndieWeb.
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GWG I have WordPress as a notification, along with gwg
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[cleverdevil] That leaves GWG here fighting the good fight.
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[cleverdevil] Through plugins and themes.
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GWG cleverdevil, I keep thinking I am getting allys
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GWG Melchoyce seemed intrigued but it didn't go anywhere. Was hoping would do a reply Gutenberg block
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[cleverdevil] There are certainly people in core who embrace. But it’s not (yet) made it into core code.
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[cleverdevil] I think it’s just a matter of time.
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[squorch] back in the day I used textdrive for hosting and a combo of various server-side projects for content, viz https://web.archive.org/web/20040325230413/http://squorch.com:80/
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[squorch] I’ve some some experience with WP, and would like to use something else if I could.
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[kevinmarks] Depends how handmade you want to go. Github pages is quick for a placeholder.
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[squorch] balance b/w handmade and WP turnkey stuff.
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[kevinmarks] https://github.com/indieweb/blank-gh-site
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Loqi [indieweb] blank-gh-site: Setup a simple new indieweb site on a domain name in mere minutes with this project.
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[squorch] is GWG an app or just ironically an app?
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[squorch] ah, excellent.
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[squorch] takes notes
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[squorch] any recs for a hosting provider?
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[cleverdevil] Haha, he's a person.
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Loqi ahahahaha
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[cleverdevil] Loqi is a bot, however.
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Zegnat What is hosting?
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Loqi Web hosting can be the primary regular cost in maintaining an IndieWeb site; this page lists several options from free on up depending on your publishing needs, like a static, shared, private, or dedicated server https://indieweb.org/hosting
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[cleverdevil] This Slack is bridged to IRC.
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Zegnat Are some providers on that page, I think.
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[squorch] ah, indeed.
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[squorch] first time using a bridge.
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[cleverdevil] Many people who show up as "app" in Slack are IRC users.
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[squorch] good to know!
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[squorch] (seems to be a use case Slack would address, but I digress)
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Zegnat I think DreamHost is popular around here ;)
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[cleverdevil] 😉
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[cleverdevil] I still love DreamHost ❤
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[cleverdevil] But, lots of good hosts out there.
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[cleverdevil] I choose to run most things on my own unmanaged servers in AWS.
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[cleverdevil] But, I'd almost never do that for WordPress, since the managed hosts take a lot of the work off your hands.
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Zegnat It also depends what you are looking for. Just needing a place that serves static files vs wanting access to the entire stack from the operating system up.
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[squorch] this is also me stepping back into tech after a decade+ of doing other things, so maybe dreamhost for a while.
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[squorch] would not mind full stack access 👀
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Zegnat I think DreamHost VPS lets you mess with the stack, while also letting their staff handle things like updates? Might be a fun way to get back into it? (Someone with DreamHost VPS might be able to comment better.)
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[squorch] this sounds optimal
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[cleverdevil] So, sort of.
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[cleverdevil] DreamHost VPS is managed.
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[cleverdevil] And you get shell access and can install stuff.
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[cleverdevil] But, you do *not* get root.
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[squorch] which, I don’t think I reallly need?
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[cleverdevil] Agreed.
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[cleverdevil] Its a nice middle ground.
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[squorch] I like that.
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[kevinmarks] Lots of options now, with amazon, Google and Microsoft all pitching their cloud servers
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[squorch] _sotto voce_ IBM has cloud too, lol
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[cleverdevil] LOL is right 😄
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GWG GWG is my Freenode username
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GWG That reminds me, I want to automate Let's Encrypt renewals today
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[squorch] full disclosure, my day job is doing change management for IBM
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[cleverdevil] GWG: certbot ftw!
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[squorch] I am fully aware of the company’s limitations
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[cleverdevil] 😉
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[squorch] still. good sport about them.
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GWG [cleverdevil]: Originally Nginx support wasn't as good, so I was doing it manually. Then I just kept putting off automating it
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GWG Of course, I also want to hook my television to my lights, replace a doorknob, and rewire a smart switch...so a lazy Sunday, I guess.
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[cleverdevil] 🙂
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GWG Maybe work more on that UI I've been fiddling with
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[cleverdevil] I just got all my smart home stuff really tweaked in, including getting my BBQ controller hooked up to HomeKit 🙂
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GWG [cleverdevil]: We should talk about that sometime
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GWG [cleverdevil]: Maybe I'll hop into Slack for a DM
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[chrisaldrich] [cleverdevil] Or starting from squorch, in this case... ;)
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GWG [chrisaldrich]: I left you a message
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@samim The "reclaiming all my web publishing" project (from the silos, onto my own site) is making progress. After evaluating different backend options, decided to roll my own. Bit of testing todo still but very excited to soon relaunch my site, #indieweb style! (twitter.com/_/status/965300784165539840)
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@aj100kblog The IndieWeb outside of Facebook is full of opportunities https://tpl.host/JF8864I #cheaphosting #makeyourownlane https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DWWG1MMX0AAq34I.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/965325956935311360)
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@samim .@twitter has updated Tweetdeck to now have rounded buttons... It's mind boggling that this silos owners are focusing on such details, while the platform is turning into a toxic waste dump and the #indieweb is scaling up as formidable competitor. (twitter.com/_/status/965329768521633792)
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