#indieweb 2018-02-23

2018-02-23 UTC
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[kevinmarks] How did I pin that?
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[kevinmarks] Have you podcast people had a go at tryca.st yet?
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Loqi Just generated the first draft of this week's newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2018-02-23.html I'll generate a draft again tomorrow, so please add to it before then! https://indieweb.org/this-week#How_to
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[xavierroy] I tried out anchor before their recent update... but didn't experiment that much
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[xavierroy] instead I decided to do a collected quotes microcast using Amazon Polly 🙂 Though I would really like to see if I can build a ppodcast out of say a wordpress category
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jeremycherfas Good morning IndieWeb. Back from a week of mostly offline activity.
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jeremycherfas !tell kevinmarks I'm not sure why an established podcast person would want to try tryca.st for a single series. Maybe if I were wanting to start something new, but even then if I hae all the kit and experience here, what do I get for my money?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi [superfeedr] "@dgold if you are in IndieWeb IRC, can you figure out what just happened? Every one left in a hurry. Something about *.net *.split" by Jeremy Cherfas on 2018-02-23 https://stream.jeremycherfas.net/2018/dgold-if-you-are-in-indieweb-irc-can-you-figure
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squorch-ssh something about a netsplit?
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squorch-ssh therrrre it is
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petermolnar one of the freenode servers went down, if I read the messages correctly
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dgold :)
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dgold dickson. & morgan.freenode are both down
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jeremycherfas Forgive my newbie panic. Never seen that before.
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[kevinmarks] What I liked about tryca.st was the very easy recording of guests and giving back split audio with a track for each, recorded locally without codec glitch and net dropouts
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Loqi [kevinmarks]: jeremycherfas left you a message 1 hour, 54 minutes ago: I'm not sure why an established podcast person would want to try tryca.st for a single series. Maybe if I were wanting to start something new, but even then if I hae all the kit and experience here, what do I get for my money?
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jeremycherfas That may be worthwhile, especially for multiple guests. I normally use Skype ior FaceTime, which do give odd glitches, with a mix-minus set-up. Local recording would, I hope eliminate that. But all I really want most of the time are separate tracks on which to work.
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squorch-ssh woof.
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squorch-ssh megasplitz tonight.
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squorch-ssh today.
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squorch-ssh whatever
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Zegnat Good morning IndieWeb
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jeremycherfas Hello zegnat
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@wimleers .@swentel @Dries @royscholten @netsensei Apparently big #indieweb things are about to happen in Ghent? https://motherboard.vice.com/nl/article/gy8wgm/aral-balkan-bouwt-een-anarchistisch-internet-om-ons-te-redden-van-silicon-valley (Dutch) Hard to find more information though. /cc @aral (twitter.com/_/status/966987941858902016)
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@wimleers This does not solve data ownership/data silos. But it does improve privacy! Important experiment/step towards #indieweb #privacy https://twitter.com/webkit/status/966734838211395584 (twitter.com/_/status/966990670710886400)
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sknebel Anyone have indieweb plans for the weekend?
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GWG I am hoping to do some work to finish my latest project
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sknebel Posting UI, right?
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GWG I want to move on
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GWG I have other ideas I want to pursue, but I need to move this to somewhere I can declare it stable for now
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amz3 somewhat indie(web), I am working on a versioned triple store
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amz3 that works like git
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amz3 that is with branches
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amz3 that you can pull and push (like git)
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sknebel right, saw you talking about that in #swig. are you actually using git, or just a similar model?
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amz3 just similar model
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amz3 my primary usecase is to replace the use of git to store bigger than ram tabular data while having the same workflow as git
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amz3 so it's not a "relational" use case but the graph aspect of triple stores will allow to link table headers together against ontologies that are well known like INSPIRE
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jeremycherfas OK. I'll put it back where I found it. Having boosted my memory of where that is.
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jeremycherfas OK. I'll put it back where I found it. Having boosted my memory of where that is.
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jeremycherfas Might have a go at improving my PESOS from reading.am
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Zegnat That sounds like a fun weekend plan, jeremycherfas!
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jeremycherfas If I can get over this truly awful head cold I picked up in London.
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Zegnat My Twitter timeline is messed up this evening, and I am blaming kevinmarks for it!
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Zegnat Keeps popping up with the “See x new Tweets” header. I click it. And then nothing seems to happen. What it actually did was update which 3 of kevinmarks’ tweets are being shown from his (hour?) long thread.
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tomasparks yay webmention.io is up
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Loqi 😊
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sknebel wb Loqi
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sknebel and wb aaronpk
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aaronpk 🎉
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aaronpk https://status.linode.com/incidents/2088k0rt4rb9
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snarfed outsourceops++
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Loqi outsourceops has 1 karma
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aaronpk every time this happens I consider what it would take to avoid this issue by having redundancy or other techniques, and then I decide it's worth the tradeoff to not add a ton of complexity in setting that up and maintaining it
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aaronpk the tradeoff being occasionally things like this happen and i'm offline for an hour
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@jgraham909 https://upspin.io looks interesting, good intro video by @rob_pike worth the whole view, but link jumps to the examples https://youtu.be/ENLWEfi0Tkg?t=1004 implications for indieweb, owning your data, etc. Will be interested to see how the key server stewardship evolves. (twitter.com/_/status/967120519068753920)
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[cleverdevil] [aaronpk] I am obligated to preach about AWS now 🙂
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[cleverdevil] Haha
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Loqi ahaha
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aaronpk heh. that's one of the aspects of the tradeoff
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snarfed aaronpk++ for that explicit decision. the closer you try to get to 100% uptime, the more expensive (in all ways) it is.
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Loqi aaronpk has 545 karma in this channel (1571 overall)
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snarfed even if you're down 1h per month, that's 99.9% uptime, which for us i vote is good enough
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tantek wait a minute, I though the exact opposite reasoning was used to justify automating cert renewal via Letsencrypt
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tantek (maybe this is more #indieweb-dev)
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snarfed tantek: iirc i wasn't part of that reasoning...but it's *way* harder and more effort to get from e.g. three 9s to four 9s uptime than to periodically manually renew an SSL cert
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tantek aaronpk was and this was his incident, so curious about his drawing the line between the two
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aaronpk I would also say it's harder to get from 3 to 4 9s vs setting up automated ssl cert renewal
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tantek and it wasn't about manually renewing, it was about setting up automation to renew
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snarfed 3 to 4 9s is also way harder than setting up automation
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aaronpk one is a matter of some command line fiddling
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snarfed at least an order of magnitude harder, if not more
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aaronpk the other is rearchitecting and dealing with multiple providers, or more
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snarfed right
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snarfed (actually i bet the difference is more like two orders of magnitude)
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tantek what amount of uptime difference is that?
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tantek (between 3 to 4 9s)
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tantek because that might be a decent retry threshold for various protocols
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aaronpk 1 hr vs 4 minutes
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snarfed (per month)
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tantek that is, the assumption that indie web sites may *only* be expected to have 3 9s worth of uptime, anything dependent on requesting something from an indieweb site should be that permissive
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tantek so perhaps retry in 5 min, then an hour, then a day, then give up?
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tantek switching to #indieweb-dev
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@HongPong @AbbyMartin this is why self publishing technology is vital - check https://indieweb.org and http://drupal.org for more tools (twitter.com/_/status/967134399971188737)
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "Free speech and it's limits" https://eddiehinkle.com/2018/02/23/9/article/
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tantek eddie++
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Loqi eddie has 17 karma in this channel (43 overall)
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@HongPong Consider when @Medium is scratching accounts (of people whose views I really don't like generally) - self publishing technology is vital - check https://indieweb.org and http://drupal.org for more tools (twitter.com/_/status/967137024225480704)
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Loqi Just generated this week's newsletter! You still have a few minutes to make changes, and I'll re-generate it 10 minutes before it gets sent out at 3pm Pacific time. https://indieweb.org/this-week/2018-02-23.html
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chrisaldrich Thanks for the reminder Loqi, I actually took a photo this week.
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Loqi you're welcome
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chrisaldrich scottgruber++ for getting webmentions working on his /Perch based website
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Loqi scottgruber has 2 karma in this channel (3 overall)
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tantek whoa
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Loqi Generated the final version of the newsletter! This will be sent out at 3pm Pacific time. https://indieweb.org/this-week/2018-02-23.html
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[cleverdevil] Hey, [snarfed], I am having a weeeeeird granary issue.
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[cleverdevil] (Alternatively, it could be an Aperture issue for [aaronpk])
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[cleverdevil] I have a channel in Aperture called "Instagram" with a single feed, which is a granary.io feed for my Instagram account.
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[cleverdevil] I now have a bunch of items in the channel that are from people I do not follow, including several of which that are private.
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aaronpk this sounds familiar
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aaronpk https://github.com/snarfed/granary/issues/135
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Loqi [snarfed] #135 possible cache leak
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[cleverdevil] Ah hah.
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[cleverdevil] Yup, its definitely on granary's side, just confirmed the feed.
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[cleverdevil] Also, I just noticed the "&cache=false" fix, which I will now use.
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aaronpk *whew* I didnt think I was doing anything that could cause entries to get added to other peoples' channels
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[cleverdevil] 🙂
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[eddie] lol that would have been unfortunate
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aaronpk yeah haha, i'm already following a bunch of private content in here now
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Loqi nice
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aaronpk which means I should probably figure out how to host my own instance of Together so it's not all routing through that server :)
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[cleverdevil] I'm just running mine locally on my laptop.
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[cleverdevil] Works great 🙂
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[cleverdevil] (That said, I would greatly prefer to have my own instance).
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[cleverdevil] (I just don't know much about best practices to deploying a node app to production).
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aaronpk huh I guess if im primarily accessing it *from* my laptop, that's probably good enough. especially since I have Indigenous for iOS
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[cleverdevil] My long-term goal is to have Together for the web, Evergreen for the desktop, and Indigenous for mobile.
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tantek that's odd, I didn't see https://twitter.com/indiewebcamp/status/967176011019296769 posted here
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@indiewebcamp This week in the #indieweb https://indieweb.org/this-week/2018-02-23.html https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DWwZcmdVQAEZxrZ.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/967176011019296769)
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tantek aaronpk ^^^ something not restart properly perhaps?
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tantek (whichever Loqi/service pulls in tweets)
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aaronpk hm, some of the twitter searches didn't start up right
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[cleverdevil] Each has a way to go, but is still quite nice so far 🙂
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aaronpk hm they did start up, but the twitter streaming api disconnected at some point recently
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