#indieweb 2018-02-22

2018-02-22 UTC
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tantek
more about frustration with giant silos vs. ease of use of going indieweb
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tantek
both have been changing and eventually they'll cross and everything will tip
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tantek
looks for acquisition post examples
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tantek
finds a 2010 example
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tantek
I'm kinda blown away by rhiaro's thorough purchasing behavior documentation
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GWG
What is an acquisition?
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Loqi
An acquisition within the IndieWeb is a type of post that enumerates purchases, gifts, donations, (stolen?!), and found things potentially with additional information like photos, descriptions, specifications, price paid, date/time acquired, location acquired from, and condition https://indieweb.org/acquisition
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GWG
What is a wish?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "wish" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indieweb.org/s/114b (Or just say "wish is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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GWG
What is a wishlist?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "wishlist" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indieweb.org/s/114c (Or just say "wishlist is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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GWG
A wish is a post indicating an acquisition or purchase you wish to make.
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willnorris
We haven't really advertised it yet, but thought folks might be interested to know that Google's Open Source Community Guidelines (https://opensource.google.com/conduct/) is based on the IndieWeb CoC
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tantek
whoa willnorris !
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tantek
welcome back!
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willnorris
hi :) thanks
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tantek
and thanks for linking to / crediting the indieweb CoC!
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tantek
that's pretty huge
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GWG
willnorris: Long time no speak.
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GWG
Nice to see you
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tantek
willnorris: got plans June 25-27? :D
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willnorris
uh, don't think so
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tantek
What is IndieWeb Summit?
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Loqi
IndieWeb Summit 2018 is June 26 through June 27, 2018 in Portland, Oregon; the eighth annual gathering for independent web creators of all kinds, graphic artists, designers, UX engineers, coders, hackers, to share ideas, create & improve their personal websites, and build upon each others creations https://indieweb.org/IndieWeb_Summit
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tantek
this year officially part of OSBridge!
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GWG
I have to see if I can make that work.
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willnorris
wow, that's great
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GWG
What is there to do at OSBridge?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "there to do at OSBridge" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indieweb.org/s/114d (Or just say "there to do at OSBridge is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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@dsenneff
Made an SVG animated login avatar, with the help of some trigonometry & GSAP. #animation #UX #gsap https://codepen.io/dsenneff/pen/QajVxO https://twitter.com/dsenneff/status/965393299614859265/video/1
(twtr.io/1anh8ovhs15)
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tantek
there to do at OSBridge is [[Open_Source_Bridge#Why]]
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tantek
What is there to do at OSBridge?
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Loqi
Open Source Bridge (AKA OSBridge) is an annual open source conference in Portland Oregon where many indieweb talks have been given over the years, and the event which served as an anchor for the immediately adjacent very first IndieWebCamp in 2011 https://indieweb.org/there_to_do_at_OSBridge
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tantek
there you go GWG
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aaronpk
We will make a bigger announcement about it once osbridge announces their schedule!
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chrisaldrich
GWG: What say, for the next vHWC we put together a demo/instructions for building a microblog to replace one's Twitter dependence? but that allows POSSE and backfeed from Twitter itself?
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GWG
chrisaldrich: Using WordPress or otherwise?
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chrisaldrich
I'd suggest using WP unless you want to do it in something else???
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chrisaldrich
Gotta run to get to HWC... Back online in a few....
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aaronpk
tantek: done
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GWG
chrisaldrich: I wouldn't. I'm good at WordPress
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tantek
what is donating
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "donating" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indieweb.org/s/114e (Or just say "donating is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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tantek
what is donation
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Loqi
donation is a rare type of post, often just a note, indicating an act of giving items or money to another person, or organization https://indieweb.org/donation
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tantek
donating is /donation
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tantek
what is purging
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "purging" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indieweb.org/s/114f (Or just say "purging is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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tantek
ok we can leave that one
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KartikPrabhu
Loqi: cancel last tanteking
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KartikPrabhu
oh well, I tried
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aaronpk
looks forward to the podcast summary of this week's wiki edits since I have not been paying attention
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tantek
good times and we still have two days left
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tantek
is looking forward to seeing if schmarty changes the format a bunch for this 2nd year of TWITIWAE
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aaronpk
maybe some changes to the newsletter itself are in order?
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Loqi
[superfeedr] "This Monday I got GitHub issue comments working from my website with @Falcon (prev 2 posts) reply to GH issue on my site -> Bridgy -> POSSE to GitHub Still figuring out some POSSE details (images,links) but looking good! Thanks @schnarfed! #indieweb" on 2018-02-21 http://tantek.com/2018/052/t2/monday-github-issue-comments-indieweb
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mblaney
hi indieweb, does anyone have an opinion on adding a "remember me" style option to web sign-in?
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aaronpk
I don't think there's anything particularly unique to web sign-in regarding that feature
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mblaney
cool I was thinking people might have expectations that they shouldn't stay logged in when providing their address, with even just the option to being bad.
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aaronpk
personally I think the notion of "stay logged in" is aging, since so much of our interactions with devices is no longer tied to a specific "session". we dip in and out of our devices frequently now.
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[tantek]
Mblaney in typical browsers there should be no work there since they all do forms autosuggest now and especially for a URL input field they’re likely to keep autosuggesting url
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[tantek]
* your url
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aaronpk
conditional on the security requirements of the thing you're logging in to, I would expect to stay logged in to a site as long as I haven't clicked a log out link
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aaronpk
my browser is super confused by URL input fields on all my indieweb apps because of how many different URLs I put in there for testing
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KartikPrabhu
mine too. On some sites I have 20 or so brwoser suggested URLs
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mblaney
tantek: "remember me" options store a cookie that keeps you logged in after you close the page.
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mblaney
in my case, a logged in user is redirected to a different page, which would be unavailable when logged out.
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aaronpk
i've never seen a "remember me" checkbox work the way I expect it to
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mblaney
aaronpk: you wouldn't usually expect to stay logged in after you close a page would you? unless you've explicitly checked a box?
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aaronpk
I expect to stay logged in unless I explicitly click a log out button
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aaronpk
and most of the sites I use work that way. google, twitter, etc
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aaronpk
and when I *do* click a "remember me" checkbox like on a bank website, it doesn't actually do anything and I have to log in from scratch again the next time I visit
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aaronpk
*sometimes* I've seen the "remember me" checkbox not actually keep me logged in, but prefill the username on the bank website the next time I come back
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aaronpk
but I still have to enter my password
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aaronpk
"close a page" is a very 1990s way of thinking about logging out of a website. for example what does that mean on a mobile phone? how often do you actually close a tab on mobile? more likely you switch apps. is that "closed"?
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mblaney
twitter has a remember me checkbox, but I just tried it and it doesn't forget my login when unchecked :-/
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aaronpk
exactly :D
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mblaney
"closing a page" is meant to remove a browser session... didn't realize it was 90's fashion! :-P
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mblaney
the idea was if you're on a public computer and you close a page, someone can't go to the same site later and find you still logged in.
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mblaney
maybe public computers left us in the 90's too...
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aaronpk
I think the browsers switched to deleting those cookies only if the whole browser is closed, not just the one tab
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mblaney
yes I just tried again with twitter, and closing the tab and then the browser forgot the login.
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aaronpk
I don't know what the equivalent on mobile is
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aaronpk
there isn't really the concept of actually quitting an app on iOS
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mblaney
yeah it really is only a consideration for shared devices.
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aaronpk
a mobile device can be a shared device too tho
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aaronpk
even in the first world ;-)
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mblaney
I guess I mean shared without trust then... you probably only had your mobile to someone when you don't mind that you're logged in to a number of services.
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aaronpk
household ipad?
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mblaney
makes for good facebook pranks :-)
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mblaney
anyway now I'm wondering if I need the option at all... just remember every login like you're saying, if that's the norm now.
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aaronpk
I just got a tweet from someone who was annoyed by how often they were automatically logged out of a website I run. but I dont get logged out of that site, so I was confused. it turns out that person normally quits their browser at the end of the day but I never do. so they were "always having to log in again, ugh"
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mblaney
yes I get the same complaints, and my response is always to say just tick the remember me checkbox when they log in...
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aaronpk
I think my faith in "remember me" checkboxes has been lost at this point
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aaronpk
there also seem to be two different implementations of it when it does work. "remember me" meaning "stay logged in" vs "remember my username but still ask for my password"
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aaronpk
so basically I have no idea what to expect when I see that box now
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mblaney
browsers seemed to have sorted out the second meaning
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aaronpk
"sorted out"?
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mblaney
like was said earlier, browsers remember so many logins, and usually display the right one so you can just click a button.
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aaronpk
oh, that hasnt really been my experience, but I realize I may be an exception
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[asteres]
[chrisaldrich] where are ya? I'm at the library
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mblaney
well thanks for the feedback, I think I'm going to move with the times and just keep people logged in.
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aaronpk
I think that's the best option. as long as there is an easy-to-find "log out" link and it actually forgets everything, I think that will surprise people the lease
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[chrisaldrich]
4th floor asher
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tantek
me and j12t and stacey here at HWC SF
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GWG
Hi, j12t and stacey
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tantek
discussing silos like casinos
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tantek
"the house always wins" -> "the silo always wins"
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KartikPrabhu
so likes are like slot machines
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